2010.09.11 13:00 - Ding in sich

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.


    Darren Islar: HI APHRO
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Darren
    Darren Islar: sorry, caps
    Aphrodite Macbain: Please join the circle. Have you been here before?
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: I'm part of the group
    Alfred Kelberry: *little boxy sneaks in*
    Aphrodite Macbain: So you know you will be recorded then. Great
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Darren Islar: hi Alf
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Alfred!
    Darren Islar: this used to be my slot
    Alfred Kelberry: 8 minutes to go?
    Darren Islar: yes, you're early
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh! Then you are very familiar with it! Yes Alfred
    Darren Islar: never seen you early
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Darren Islar: too much energy Alf ?
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm doing oni :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: No. We obviously are awake at different times!
    Darren Islar: aha :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm in Vancouver
    Alfred Kelberry: the trick is to be awakened during the meeting :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hah ha yes. especially if you are a Guardian!
    Alfred Kelberry: are you a guardian?
    Darren Islar: if you're the GoC
    Darren Islar: I can sleep :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, but only just recenty. I have claimed this sesion
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, ok
    Alfred Kelberry: what's the topic?
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) Dont sleep yet!
    Aphrodite Macbain: what shall we talk about. Any suggestions?
    Darren Islar: actually no
    Alfred Kelberry: it will emerge as we go :)
    Darren Islar: but we can wait others to come in
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have been in a focus group for an hour talking about how Canada should deal with its refugees who turn up on our shores unannouncd!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Widely diverging views there!
    Alfred Kelberry: canada has a refugee problem?
    Darren Islar: big issue almost everywhere nowadays
    Aphrodite Macbain: well, I don't think so but some do. We get many from China and the far east. From troubled zones
    Aphrodite Macbain: Two weeks a ago a boat full of refugees turned up on the west coast of canada claiming asylum. They had already been turned back by Australia and I think the US
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, if you read the logs from the last (i think) meeting... i suggested a series of "lectures" on history of religions within (possibly) pab meetings. what do you think?

    Of history of religion lectures

    Aphrodite Macbain: Great idea. Who would give the lectures?
    Alfred Kelberry: aphrodite, they should flee to the uk :)
    Alfred Kelberry: um, i think pema could give it a start :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: why do you say that Alf?
    Aphrodite Macbain: (UK)
    Darren Islar: Storm can
    Alfred Kelberry: england seems to be more welcoming towards refugees
    Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps they could volunteer but it's a big responsibility to take on.
    Darren Islar: but I'm not sure they could do that in PaB meetings
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, storm.. mick, cal
    Darren Islar: maybe Kira would be better for that
    Alfred Kelberry: darren, yes, ideally if it works out kira would be better. i thought of pab as a test run since it's closely related
    Aphrodite Macbain: as a location? perhaps. It could be raised for discussion

    Darren Islar: that is true
    Aphrodite Macbain: It could be a short term thing. One session a month for 6 months, say?
    Darren Islar: but these are open meetings
    Aphrodite Macbain: meaning?
    Darren Islar: we do have other meetings, but that is mostly one
    Aphrodite Macbain: ?
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, lawrence
    Darren Islar: if you think about a serie of lectures........
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi
    Alfred Kelberry: darren, ideally :)
    Darren Islar: hi Lawrence
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Lawrence. Welcome
    Darren Islar: hi Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: welcome (Lawrence)! Have you participated in our disussions before?
    Darren Islar: but it could be interesting, don't get me wrong here
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Aph, Darren, Alfred - and good to see you again, Lawrence.
    Alfred Kelberry: i think structured material would give a better understanding of the various topics that we discuss here
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, bruce :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ny fan
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Yes, I have been here several times in the past.
    Darren Islar: yes, it gives some backgroup
    Aphrodite Macbain: For those who just arrved, Alfred was suggesting we have a series of world religion lecturs here
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. . .
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are discussing the logstics of such an enterprise
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am only concerned that people are already very busy
    Lawrence Vyceratops: How unfortunate.
    Alfred Kelberry: well, not exactly "world religions", but... i'd like to start with the east, particulary, zen buddhism teaching
    Alfred Kelberry: something that is pab related
    Darren Islar: yes expecially the ones you are thinking of Alf
    Alfred Kelberry: darren, true that :)
    Darren Islar: I suggested Kira, for I think it is a better environment
    Aphrodite Macbain: an environment for a lecture and slides?
    Darren Islar: hmmmm, maybe it would be better to make it more to an experience
    Bruce Mowbray: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ual_traditions
    Aphrodite Macbain: is there anyone here who would like to give a lecture?
    Alfred Kelberry: darren, it is when you think of a finished product (e.g. world religions series), but i'd like to start small with what is relevant to pab
    Aphrodite Macbain: There are a lot of similar lectures at the Buddha centre
    Darren Islar: that is why I think about experience based learning
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I'm not too interested in religion these days.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is relevant to P@B?   I would have thought aspects of most religions have a relevance to P@B
    Alfred Kelberry: so people would have a better theoretical understanding of various teachings practiced within pab
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks for the reference Bruce
    Qt Core: hi all
    Darren Islar: well if I think about Tibetan Buddhism, then I think about relative and absolute truth as a topic
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Qt
    Alfred Kelberry: darren, yes, zen is experience oriented. although, there is a theoretical part as well.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Salve QT
    Darren Islar: since that is also part of taking refuge
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, qt the spice
    Bruce Mowbray: A most happy and pentitudinous day to you, Qt.
    Darren Islar: and part of the four nobel truthts
    Darren Islar: hi QT
    Aphrodite Macbain: penitudinous!
    Bruce Mowbray meant to type 'plentitudinous.'
    Darren Islar: but the more it will become a lecture the more I think about Kira
    Aphrodite Macbain: filled with excellent things!
    Aphrodite Macbain: we could put out a call for proposals!

    Plentitudinum and fountain heights

    Qt Core: oh, ty
    Aphrodite Macbain: see what comes up
    Alfred Kelberry: darren, yes, development in a natural way :)
    Bruce Mowbray: The more it describes actual experience, the more I think about the fountain.
    Darren Islar: well maybe something for the working group or the guardian group to have a talk about
    Bruce Mowbray wonders what he meant by "actual" experience. . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes Darren
    Qt Core: hi yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey guys
    Qt Core: i'm a little lost, what is the topic ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yo, Yakuzza. A most joyous and plentitudinous day to you!
    Darren Islar: he yaku :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hello Yaku. Welcome. We are talking out planning new program
    Alfred Kelberry: *thinks about changing the fountain*
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, a new program ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what exactly ?
    Alfred Kelberry: aphrodite likes it big :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Darren or Af can explain...
    Lawrence Vyceratops: That's what she said. ;)
    Bruce Mowbray thinks size doesn't matter . . . when it comes to fountains.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: haha
    Aphrodite Macbain: just hard to see over
    Bruce Mowbray: The guardian can lower the fountain, Aph.
    Alfred Kelberry: not a program really... i'd like to start with a short series of "lectures" on the eastern teachings.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I did not!! Did I? (say I liked it big)
    Aphrodite Macbain: ok, a series, not a program
    Darren Islar: everyone can
    Bruce Mowbray: say more, please, Alfred.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: "/9 help
    Yakuzza Lethecus: every guardian can
    Yakuzza Lethecus: with /9 help you get the commands
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like /9 low
    Bruce Mowbray: Amazing powers, Yaku -- and thanks. I can see you now - and Alfred too.
    Aphrodite Macbain: wow. too much information
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Everyone is a naked gray on my computer...
    Aphrodite Macbain: That's nice
    Qt Core: it make me think the fountain is clogged with calcar ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: but are we big or small....?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Only two are in colour for me
    Darren Islar: yes, my computer has problems too to get the textures right
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are all relatively equal
    Bruce Mowbray: I see everyone perfectly -- the advantage of a SLOWWWWWWW internet connection, I suppose.
    Aphrodite Macbain: curious. so slow is better? :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: just kidding, of course.
    Darren Islar: don't think so :)
    Alfred Kelberry: um, i don't know. i somewhat think of this fountain as sacred due to long invested personal experience of many people... but i wonder what if we'd change it? how would it affect our meetings? if at all? and how would people feel about it?
    Qt Core: in past days i saw many avs gray, now all ok
    Darren Islar: but I have a good view too now
    Aphrodite Macbain: how would we change it?
    Alfred Kelberry: put another fountain
    Darren Islar: a big fire
    Aphrodite Macbain: why would we change it?
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe even not round :)
    Qt Core: wine or beer instead of water ? ;-)
    Darren Islar: to get another experience
    Bruce Mowbray: so, Alfred, if it is not too personal. . . could you share with us some aspect(s) of your personal practice. . . and how a study of Eastern religious traditions might serve you?
    Alfred Kelberry: qt, good idea :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: change for change sake?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i grasp for change and dwell in stability and familiar places
    Aphrodite Macbain listens expectantly
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i want to change and don´t want anything to change
    Darren Islar: ah, nicely put Yaku :)
    Bruce Mowbray: in other words, what are you hoping to "grain" from the experience -- I mean, how would you like to enhance your experience?
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, um... not this time, please :)
    Bruce Mowbray: gain, not 'grain'
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. No problem.
    Aphrodite Macbain thinks "what a shame"
    Darren Islar: well if we think it is a good idea, what do we expect to learn?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is anyone submitting a puzzle work?
    Bruce Mowbray: personally, I am finding the Time Magic sessions to be a cutting edge of spiritual growth -- at least an edge of new experiences in meditation. . .
    Lawrence Vyceratops: What is Time Magic?
    Bruce Mowbray: The only way I can think to submit a puzzle is to go to some sim where there is one and photograph it.
    Bruce Mowbray: I am not a builder, unfortunately.
    Bruce Mowbray: Just a sec, Lawrence -- I will get that URL for you.
    Darren Islar: no, I won't participate this time
    Aphrodite Macbain: I don't how to photograph and then use the image
    Bruce Mowbray: Here you go, Lawrence:
    Bruce Mowbray: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions
    Bruce Mowbray: Aph - you can take a snapshot - then upload it as an "image" and post it on one of the boards at the geodescic dome.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bleu has already done so -- of her Rubik Cube.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am finding it difficult to getting technical advice on how to do things in SL


    Time magic and unappreciative friends

    Aphrodite Macbain: so in orderr to post it, I just click on the board?
    Aphrodite Macbain: oops sorry Bell
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I'll have to read the manuscript. Sounds interesting to me - time.
    Darren Islar: if you have specific questions, I can help you one of these days
    Darren Islar: you can make a pick or upload one and you drag it to the board
    Darren Islar: from your invent
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Oops. Didn't hear the bell...
    Lawrence Vyceratops: So, how many of you have been to the Magic of Time meetings?
    Darren Islar: I go
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i also
    Bruce Mowbray: I go.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I will try to make it next Friday if I am near my computer.
    Darren Islar: it is a good thing to read the chapter
    Darren Islar: chapter 5 now
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, read chapter 5 now -- and work through the homework this week.
    Darren Islar: because that will be the chapter we will talk about
    Lawrence Vyceratops: OK.
    Bruce Mowbray: Then you'll be prepared for Friday' morning's meeting.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, good. Thanks!
    Aphrodite Macbain: How many people attend?
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmm. . . I have a photo of our last Time Magic meeting. . . I will count.
    Darren Islar: full circle that day
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers. I count 12 in the photo but I think I missed a few.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Lots! Must have great conversations
    Darren Islar: there were a few coming in late
    Bruce Mowbray: All of our time magic sessions are posted in the wiki.
    Bruce Mowbray: also -- all of our weekly reports (which I called 'homework' earlier)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Finally everyone is in colour and not grey. Took 30 minutes to rezz!
    Bruce Mowbray: Yayyyyyy! Let's hear it for LL technology!
    Bruce Mowbray: I have a sort of personal question to ask about SL.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Took me a minute to write those sentences!
    Darren Islar: yes Bruce?
    Aphrodite Macbain: ask away
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, although SL has enhanced my life greatly in the past six months,
    Bruce Mowbray: there is not a single person I know in RL who will even LOOK at it.
    Bruce Mowbray: I am not trying to recruit people or evangelize for SL. . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: How many people have you asked?
    Bruce Mowbray: I only want to share what is interesting (powerfully so) to me. . .
    Darren Islar: yes, we all seem to have that problem
    Bruce Mowbray: but my friends call it "phoney" "not real" and "spooky."
    Bruce Mowbray: Does anyone else have that experience?
    Qt Core: same here bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's hard for people to understand when they haven't even given it a try
    Bruce Mowbray: But my friends (five or six) REFUSE even to LOOK at it.
    Qt Core: many have more important things to do, like watch reality shows
    Darren Islar: heheh
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Haha!
    Lawrence Vyceratops: No doubt...
    Aphrodite Macbain: My friends smile and tolerate my strange habit. But no one has really made an effort to join
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you all. I feel a lot better know that I am not totally alone with this.
    Darren Islar: no, you surely aren't
    Qt Core: others have little children to spend time with.... or even a social life!
    Aphrodite Macbain: One or two have got to the first stage and then are nervous about committing. They are afraid of getting viruses
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Hardly anyone I know in Either Life seems very interested in progressing as a civilization, other than to acquire more "things."
    Darren Islar: but they do use the internet......
    Bruce Mowbray: Good point, Lawrence.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Some do not see this as progressive, just a silly game
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Or to feed ego. Facebook has become so unappealing even.
    Qt Core: (as most im and chat systems)
    Bruce Mowbray: Last night - at a social gathering of friends - I was explaining how SL is used for interntional corporate board meetings, and university studies, and all sorts of other things --
    Darren Islar: but I guess it is also about where you end up in sl
    Bruce Mowbray: and that every avi is backed by a REAL LIFE human being. . .


    Cold responses, talking too much

    Bruce Mowbray: and the response I got was a COLD - It's not real.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I mainly open SL for PaB. It is almost useless other than that.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. I don't know if everyone on second life use this tool the way we do. Some people just want to dance and play games
    Darren Islar: I think one of the fun parts of sl is to 'play' with the concept of 'real'
    Bruce Mowbray: true -- but today Yaku and I attended a fantastic lecture on astronomy . . . and there are many religious groups that have meetings here (like the Quakers and Buddhists). . .
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Real.. haha What is that?
    Darren Islar: it makes you wonder what is really real
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am intersted in using it as a teaching tool. Or rather a teaching though dialogue
    Alfred Kelberry: lawrence, i can suggest kira activities and mica lectures
    Lawrence Vyceratops: True, Aphr.
    Bruce Mowbray: exactly: and that's what I asked the person who said it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: We must stop talking hrough the 90 second bell
    Qt Core: even if used only to dance and silly chatr is better than (most) tv, at leas interactive
    Bruce Mowbray: It was a MICA lecture that Yaku and I attended today -- amazingly good!
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Oops. I hadn't noticed. No sound on my computer....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm as guilty as anyone
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe weturned off the bell too
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, yes, it's back after the summer break. every saturday 10 am.
    Darren Islar: no I heard it
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh! My sound is also off -- SORRYYYYYYY.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe I'll say BING when it goes off!
    Darren Islar: or just stop talking
    Alfred Kelberry: please do, aph :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: OK
    Darren Islar: there is a notification in the chat and you can see it because the lotus changes
    Darren Islar: a lot of cues
    Alfred Kelberry: i like silence
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe CAPS will help
    Bruce Mowbray: but my head is on the keyboard as I type -- so I don't see it until it's too late....
    Bruce Mowbray: But the sounds is on now. Thanks.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I am missing the cues because my gf is frequently distracting me with movie trailers and questions. haha
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Ask her to join us with a comment
    Lawrence Vyceratops: It's Saturday, so she wants to do something besides school and work.
    Darren Islar: well, it is what you think is important to pay attention to I guess
    Bruce Mowbray: good idea, Darren.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: She is also not interested in SL.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I've tried to get her here before.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Any good movies?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: The Other Guys looks pretty funny. haha
    Aphrodite Macbain: who made it?
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm not interested in sl. i'm interested in people in sl. start with yourself, lawrence :)
    Bruce Mowbray: but movies in Rl are not real, right?
    Aphrodite Macbain: they are to some!
    Darren Islar: hehehe :) Bruce
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Me too, Alfred.
    Bruce Mowbray: just kidding -- I have a Netflix subscription and watch two of their movies every week.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nothing to get hung about...
    Bruce Mowbray: Strawberry Fields forever. . . . .
    Lawrence Vyceratops: haha
    Aphrodite Macbain: end of the strawberry season :-(
    Darren Islar: Strawberries, hmmmmm :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: and cream
    Bruce Mowbray wants to hear about the life of a cardboard box.
    Darren Islar: whipped cream
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, are you asking me to tell about myself, Alfred?
    Aphrodite Macbain: stream of consiousness
    Bruce Mowbray: Go for it, Lawrence.
    Alfred Kelberry: um, no lawrence. sorry. i meant to bring your gf to "see" you in sl :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Gosh, that could take a while. You know how people can get when they talk about themselves!
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, Alfred, she is not so interested.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I want to know what it feels like insde a cardboard box
    Alfred Kelberry: *hides*
    Aphrodite Macbain: only my cats know
    Lawrence Vyceratops: You want to experience homelessness?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Being homeless sucks!
    Aphrodite Macbain: hardly
    Qt Core: (and i'm pretty curuious about the antennas too, Alf ;-) )
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Aphrodite Macbain: don't hide!!
    Bruce Mowbray can see Alfred hiding behind the pillar. . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: we know you're there behind the column
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't be shy, Al.
    Darren Islar: no use Alf, we do have camera's
    Darren Islar: :)
    Qt Core: juat think how boring would hide and seek will be with sl moving cam ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: sneaky :)
    Darren Islar: :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: You have been recorded and will be posted. Eyes in the sky!
    Aphrodite Macbain: What is that pile of black things to your left Lawrence?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I've no idea. I don't see that.
    Aphrodite Macbain: or your right Bruce
    Qt Core: his feet
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Is it my legs?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: haha
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I sit funny on the blue pillow.
    Aphrodite Macbain: no On the cushion between Bruce and Lawrence
    Qt Core: first sitting position of blue xuxhions
    Qt Core: click it Lawrence


    Multiples positions multiple dings
    Lawrence Vyceratops: There are multiple sitting positions?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: DING!
    Qt Core: two per cushion
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh. You ae invisible Lawrence! Just your head and feet are showing!
    Lawrence Vyceratops: ding, Aph. ;)
    Bruce Mowbray: DING!!!!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can everyone see what I see?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh my yes DING
    Aphrodite Macbain feels really stupid!
    Bruce Mowbray: No need to feel stupid, Aph.
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't see the black pile, though.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can you see Lawrence?
    Darren Islar: and there is no cushion in between lawrence and Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: Arghhh.
    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps Aph is referring to my jetpack.
    Darren Islar: but you can click on the pillow lawrence so your sitting changes
    Bruce Mowbray: "Touching" the pillow changes your posture on the cushion.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can't see lawrence but I know he's there. Black hair, black feet an all
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, sweet! Thanks.
    Darren Islar: you're spotted Alf!!!!
    Alfred Kelberry: yea, i know :)
    Alfred Kelberry: just watching
    Aphrodite Macbain: This is all too much for me. I'm afraid I must go now
    Darren Islar: ok alf, see you :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: See ya, Aph
    Bruce Mowbray: me too.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye aph
    Darren Islar: oh sorry, Aprh, see you :)
    Bruce Mowbray: May all have a plentitudinous weekend!
    Darren Islar: Aph
    Alfred Kelberry: um, i think i'll go too
    Qt Core: Bye aphro and Bruce, then
    Darren Islar: bye Bruce
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I have to go too. Gf wants Schlotzky's. haha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you
    Qt Core: and bye Alfred too
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye all, even tho you are not all visible!
    Qt Core: bye yaku
    Qt Core: have fun LAwrence
    Darren Islar: bye everyone who is going
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Thank you. We decided to go see The Other Guys.
    Qt Core: Lawrence went gray, weird
    Qt Core: back to his outfit
    Darren Islar: well, going too
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Wow. Everyone just now rezzed! Just as I am leaving! haha
    Darren Islar: :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: nice threads, Qt! haha
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Darren Islar: bye
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Peace out!

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