2010.09.13 13:00 - Islamophobia and the Media

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.  The initial part of the session caught the end of a conversation I was having with a friend....

    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I believe we are recording :)
    Shalua Inaka: In that case I shall say sayonara shortly :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehehe
    Agatha Macbeth: And indeed 'wibble'
    Shalua Inaka: You iz one crazy mama Aggers :p
    Agatha Macbeth: Well I try....
    Shalua Inaka: It's really nice here :))
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: The Kuan Yin terraces were one of the first places I came to in SL
    Agatha Macbeth: I hadn't been impressed by what I had seen so far...
    Agatha Macbeth: and I thought 'Well, maybe there IS more to this place' :)
    Shalua Inaka: Well, you were right! :))


    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Shalua Inaka: I must go now
    Shalua Inaka: Sayonara :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sayonara :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And konnichi wa Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Konnichi wa, Aggers-sun.
    Agatha Macbeth: It turns out the poetry session is NEXT week btw
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers -- I read (who was its) email about that.
    Agatha Macbeth: Eliza I think
    Bruce Mowbray: I hope I didn't chase Ahalua off.
    Agatha Macbeth: Damn, I have to find another poem now!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ahula?
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds Hawaiian
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Bruce Mowbray wonders, sometimes, when folks leave just as he arrives. . . something left over from adolescent insecurities....
    Agatha Macbeth: No, she was just leaving anyway...
    Bruce Mowbray: Shalua --OK.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh you don't need to lecture me in insecurity :p
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Bruce Mowbray: No lecture intended, aggers, just my own out-pouring of . . . . well, insecurity, I guess.
    Agatha Macbeth: Outpour away! :)
    Bruce Mowbray: which implies my desire to be accepted, I suppose.
    Zon Quar: hello there
    Bruce Mowbray: anyway. Here we are.
    Agatha Macbeth: Well you are certainly accepted here Brucie
    Bruce Mowbray: You in jolly old England and I in lousy old Ohio.
    Agatha Macbeth: Why lousy?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zon.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
    Bruce Mowbray can somehow tell that aggers has never been to Ohio.
    Agatha Macbeth: Nope
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't be as bad as Detroit? [grins]

    (NO rude emails from that corner of Michigan, please :p)
    Bruce Mowbray: How's it going, Zon?
    Bruce Mowbray agrees that Detroit is a LOT worse than Bruce's farm in Ohio.
    Agatha Macbeth: (Where's that T-shirt?)
    Bruce Mowbray: That t-shirt is on my body.
    Agatha Macbeth: Naah, mine
    Bruce Mowbray: Sorry, aggers, I cannot see you yet. Thou art a mere cloud to me hungry eyes.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK.
    Bruce Mowbray: You just came into view....
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll be blowed
    Zon Quar: goes well as usual, and u
    Alfred Kelberry: *little boxy sneaks in*
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear! You have the peace dove t-shirt on!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Alfred!
    Agatha Macbeth: Sure have :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oi :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the box boy cometh
    Alfred Kelberry: aga the poetry fan :)
    Zon Quar: do we need a tie here
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, on the wrong day :(
    Alfred Kelberry: in fact, you set off a wave of poetry composing :)
    Agatha Macbeth: OMG
    Alfred Kelberry: we did compose again today
    Bruce Mowbray: I admire the boxie species. . . They seem so well-contained.
    Alfred Kelberry: um... *feels uncomfortable*
    Agatha Macbeth: Well compose for next Sunday...
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, sep 19
    Bruce Mowbray: A wave -- how about a tsunami?
    Alfred Kelberry: hopefully something that rhymes :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Or a konami? :0
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, that's too much, i think :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I have NEVER laughed so hard as I did while editing yesterday's session.
    Agatha Macbeth: Was it THAT funny?
    Alfred Kelberry: aga, zen background for you: http://t.xalan.org:8000/zen
    Bruce Mowbray: YES!
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, ok
    Bruce Mowbray: Cool, Alfred. Thanks.
    Bruce Mowbray: Here's that good-lookin' Calvino guys.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Cal :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Cal.
    Alfred Kelberry: cal the good-looking
    Bruce Mowbray: Got the neighborhood repaired yet?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hey :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, mostly - they worked most of the night
    Calvino Rabeni: finished the electricity about 3am
    Alfred Kelberry: cals' fave spot in front of the... entrance :)
    Bruce Mowbray: wow!
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, what happened, cal?
    Bruce Mowbray: EXPLOSION!
    Calvino Rabeni: Replaced the broken utility pole with a new one, rewired everything
    Bruce Mowbray: shook the whole neighborhood and scared the cats.
    Alfred Kelberry: um, in cali?
    Bruce Mowbray: Seattle.
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, hope no one got hurt
    Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
    Calvino Rabeni: @Al yesterday at this time a huge tree fell in the neighborhood near my house, landing on the utility and high voltage wires,
    Alfred Kelberry: wow
    Calvino Rabeni: No humans were injured in this event
    Alfred Kelberry: wind?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not me :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Nabend Yaku
    Alfred Kelberry: what caused it to fall?
    Calvino Rabeni: The tree was just too old, reaching its natural conclusion
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Calvino Rabeni: all things pass :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yahoo, Yakuuu!
    Calvino Rabeni: and fall back to be recycled


    Yakuzza Lethecus: cal, you look so different
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, I'm getting used to it
    Calvino Rabeni: I wanted a more realistic appearance in SL
    Calvino Rabeni: I might play a bit more with it
    Alfred Kelberry: i thought local service would monitor this, cal
    Calvino Rabeni: If this doesn't work out, I'll switch back to the "Box Bot" :)
    Alfred Kelberry: *looks closer at cal*
    Alfred Kelberry: new skin? :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening adoro
    Bruce Mowbray: Hellooooo, Adorooooo!
    adoro Rhapsody: hi all
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, new
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Adoro
    adoro Rhapsody: silence is golden
    Bruce Mowbray wants a haircut like Cals'.
    Agatha Macbeth: Duct tape is silver :)

    (Old BDSM joke, sorry [blushes])
    adoro Rhapsody: haha
    adoro Rhapsody: i hope i dont interrupt your discussions
    Alfred Kelberry: you enrich it
    Agatha Macbeth tries to remember what the discussion was
    Agatha Macbeth: Explosions?
    Alfred Kelberry: aga, cal's haircut
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
    Agatha Macbeth: I like it
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: its aerodynamic
    Alfred Kelberry: he can run faster
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    adoro Rhapsody: no air resistance is low
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, ara :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ara :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi ara
    arabella Ella: Hey Alf!
    arabella Ella: fuzzy connection tonite here :(
    Alfred Kelberry: fuzzy?
    arabella Ella: all i see is clouds
    adoro Rhapsody: do u feel fast now with that haircut , Cal ?
    arabella Ella: fuzzy clouds
    Alfred Kelberry: oh
    Agatha Macbeth: Fuzzy wuzzy
    Alfred Kelberry: muzzy
    arabella Ella: and Ara cant move or stand or do much either ouch
    arabella Ella: she has a mind of her own
    Agatha Macbeth: So she should :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: a plentitudinous day of joyous tidings, ara.
    adoro Rhapsody: she is hiding behind alfred
    arabella Ella: then cheer me up with the joyous tidings please Bruce
    Calvino Rabeni: @adoro, true, I like the shorter hair
    arabella Ella: I need some joy
    arabella Ella: I cant even move to create symmetry
    arabella Ella: oh now she stands up of her own will
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    Calvino Rabeni: I have some extra if you need some, Ara
    Alfred Kelberry: ara, you sat just fine, behind me :)
    arabella Ella: yes please Cal!
    arabella Ella needs joy
    Calvino Rabeni smiles at arabella
    Bruce Mowbray: I am wishing those tidings to you now, ara. . . and shall inciude you in Tonglen where we're finished here (although I usually do not reveal that).
    Calvino Rabeni: heheh Bruce
    Calvino Rabeni: *secrets*
    adoro Rhapsody: wow i feel the joy of ara near me
    arabella Ella: thanks Bruce much appreciated really need that ... not that i generally enjoy asking for anything for myself!
    Agatha Macbeth: Lucky you
    Bruce Mowbray: You see, it has already started, ara.
    adoro Rhapsody: mmm
    Alfred Kelberry: *does a robo dance for ara*
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Dash
    arabella Ella giggles at Alf's antics!
    adoro Rhapsody: orinoko /
    Dash Earthboy: hey everybody
    adoro Rhapsody: ?
    arabella Ella: Hiya Dash
    Bruce Mowbray: A pentitudinous good day to you Dash!
    adoro Rhapsody: hello dash
    arabella Ella: now that is so cool Alf I love it!
    adoro Rhapsody: smahing dash
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    arabella Ella: cheered me up plenty
    Agatha Macbeth: Could have sworn you were Zon a moment ago
    adoro Rhapsody: smashing
    arabella Ella: LOL

    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful, Alfred. . .
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: *bows* thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: Great!
    arabella Ella: brilliant as always Alf
    Agatha Macbeth: What was it?
    Alfred Kelberry: aga :)
    arabella Ella: Alf's dance and antics
    adoro Rhapsody: superb show al
    arabella Ella: contagiously joyful
    Yakuzza Lethecus dies from laughing....
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: How is the big move going, Dash?
    Dash Earthboy: not well at all Bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: big move where?
    Agatha Macbeth: Big move?
    Bruce Mowbray: Ohhh. I am really sorry to hear that. . . Iam, Dash.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Mickorod.
    Dash Earthboy: Dash needs to relocate
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey mick
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
    Bruce Mowbray: I hope I've not opened a can of worms by asking, Dash.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo Mick :)
    Dash Earthboy: heloo Mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya folks
    Alfred Kelberry: dash, i hope it'll work out for you
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, mick *pats your back* :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Is this a RL relocation?
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Ow
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Agatha Macbeth: Stressful
    arabella Ella: Relocating is always quite tough
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Mickorod Renard: cheers Aff
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Mickorod Renard: :)


    Mickorod Renard: BONGGGGGG
    Alfred Kelberry: i like the 90 sec of silence
    Alfred Kelberry: has anyone tried it in rl meetings?
    arabella Ella: what happened to your lovely bunch of daffodils Alf I miss it as it was like your trademark?
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, you mean tulips
    arabella Ella: oh yes sorry!
    arabella Ella: (always thought they were daffodils but never mind)
    Alfred Kelberry: they're safely kept in a box :)
    Agatha Macbeth thought they were triffids
    Mickorod Renard: I try it when i am in a meeting with myself
    Dash Earthboy: daffy dills & two lips?
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Agatha Macbeth: From Amsterdam...
    Alfred Kelberry: two lips... i like it :)
    Dash Earthboy: good for smacking...lip smacking :)
    Alfred Kelberry: mick, i thought it would be fun to try it on a regular work meeting :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Lip smacking thirst quenching....etc
    Dash Earthboy: sorry i'm from the South ;)
    Agatha Macbeth: Antarctica?
    Mickorod Renard: I darnt suggest it at work, they would suspect I belong to a cult
    Dash Earthboy: i wish
    Agatha Macbeth: ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: too hot here for sure
    Alfred Kelberry: mick :)
    arabella Ella: where is the South then Dash if I may ask?
    Dash Earthboy: Atlanta
    arabella Ella: ah
    Alfred Kelberry: mick, tell them it's a new sociology study from stanford :)
    Dash Earthboy: had collard greens & black eye peas yesterday
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,that sounds very respectful
    Alfred Kelberry: mick, even more so - princeton. we can make pema to comfirm :)
    Mickorod Renard: I have heard of the black eyed pea's, they are good,,but I never heard any sounds from collard
    arabella Ella: yes nice tunes the black eyed peas have
    arabella Ella: saw them live last year
    Mickorod Renard: we dont have 9 seconds to spare at my work
    Dash Earthboy: Hey!
    Mickorod Renard: :(
    arabella Ella: maybe 10?
    Agatha Macbeth: Or 8?

    Ara now changes the flow to a much more serious subject....
    arabella Ella: if I may raise a topic
    Agatha Macbeth: Raise away Ara :)
    arabella Ella: seeing that there are at least two ppl here from the USA
    Agatha Macbeth: 3 I think
    Mickorod Renard: seriously, i have tried it at work for myself, it works well,,giving an extra dimention of clarity
    arabella Ella: why is it that the USA appears to be so intolerant where religion is concerned at the moment when it is meant to be a country of tolerance open to all?
    Dash Earthboy: yah silence is golden
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't believe all that you see in the media, please.
    arabella Ella: yes I know Bruce each time I visited the USA it was a pleasant surprise seeing how different it is from the images portrayed in the media
    Dash Earthboy: that Florida preacher does not represent Christians nor Americans
    Mickorod Renard: its a big country too, with many cultural diferences within its own boundaries
    arabella Ella: but his antics were literally viral
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, are we talking about the 'Koran burner'?
    arabella Ella nods
    Calvino Rabeni: quite true Mick
    Agatha Macbeth sighs
    arabella Ella: and lack of religious tolerance in a multi ethnic society
    Bruce Mowbray: For each crazy-making fool who gets into the media for his wild behavior, we have tens of thousands of sane, tolerant, truly liberated people.
    Mickorod Renard: I thought it was about korean burning,,no wonder i thought it was extreme
    Agatha Macbeth: Sadly, Islamophobia seems 'trendy' at the moment
    Dash Earthboy: I have enjoyed an audible Koran I downloaded years ago
    Agatha Macbeth: Muslims appear to have taken over from Communists as the great evil
    Bruce Mowbray: Islam-ophobia is grabbing the media's attention. . . . (all over the world, I should add).
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh wonderful - Dash.
    Bruce Mowbray: Where can I get that?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Bruce, unfortunately
    arabella Ella: oh yes the phobia is very prevalent in europe too
    Dash Earthboy: I don't remember where I got it Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: is the audible Koran on the Web, Dash?
    Dash Earthboy: you can probably find it there
    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps. Iwill check that out later... Thank you.
    Mickorod Renard: tens of thousand s of sane Bruce? what percentage does that leave as crazy?
    Mickorod Renard: :)


    Dash Earthboy: there's a nice temple here in Second Life too
    Dash Earthboy: or mosque if you prefer
    Agatha Macbeth: I have visited a couple of mosques here I think
    Dash Earthboy: Try the Silver Pen Library at 209.155.36
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: I have a lady-friend who disagrees with me about the building of the new mosque new Ground Zero - - I feel it is important that it be built - but she disagrees.
    Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Yaku.
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Yaku
    Dash Earthboy: g'nite Yaku
    arabella Ella: but it is not at Ground Zero that is a gross misperception isnt it?
    Bruce Mowbray: The interesting thing, here, is that although we strongly disagree with each other, we still listen carefully to each other and respect the other's opinions.
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe they should build a mosque, a synagogue and a church side-by-side
    Dash Earthboy: the library I mentioned is at Al Gamata here in SL
    Bruce Mowbray: Thew proposed mosque is two blocks north of Ground Zero.
    Dash Earthboy: two blocks is a nice walk
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: or----- if mosques are to be banned -- then perhaps ALL religious institutions should also be banned.
    Dash Earthboy: there in the Apple
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: I will be their with my neighbor in less than two weeks.

    And now, the typo of the evening....
    arabella Ella: and blacks in the Apple are HUGE

    Bruce Mowbray: there.
    arabella Ella: there ... where?
    arabella Ella: NY?
    Agatha Macbeth: Blacks?
    Bruce Mowbray: In New York City -- for five days.
    Bruce Mowbray: with the neighbor who cut down our oak tree for free last April.
    Dash Earthboy: are we talking blacks or blocks here?
    Agatha Macbeth is confused
    Bruce Mowbray: blocks.
    Dash Earthboy: i'm kinda a blockhead :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: I was gonna say... ;-)
    arabella Ella: LOL ... apologies ... blocks

    Thank goodness we cleared THAT one up!!!
    Agatha Macbeth hugs Ara
    arabella Ella hugs Aga back :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, two blocks in NY can be huge -- going east-west.
    Bruce Mowbray: But going north-south (as in the case of the mosque) they are not so big.
    Dash Earthboy: i remember the uproar when religious practices were prohibited in USSR and Red China
    arabella Ella: but it is like saying building something on the site of the White House when it is two blocks away - a huge misperception
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, agrees with ara.
    Agatha Macbeth nods @ Ara
    Mickorod Renard: I second that
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: sometimes folks are like cats: they love a "good" spat!
    Agatha Macbeth: Meeeow
    arabella Ella: i wonder ... does that happen as a result of irresponsibility on the part of the media?
    Dash Earthboy: hisss
    Bruce Mowbray: the media feeds on it and is fed by it.
    Agatha Macbeth: Were the media *ever* responsible Ara?
    Bruce Mowbray: likewise with Y0uTube -- wiki leaks, etc.
    arabella Ella: ah that is such a HUGE question Ags
    arabella Ella: no simple answer
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, isn't it? [grin]
    Dash Earthboy: a matter of size is it?
    Agatha Macbeth: Behave Dash
    Bruce Mowbray: As Marshall McLuhan said, (or was it Andy Warhol?) - everyone gets her 15 minutes of fame....
    Agatha Macbeth: Think it was Andy
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) @ Dash.
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers. Andy.
    Agatha Macbeth: I have his 'baked beans' sculpture in my kitchen
    arabella Ella: well today it is easier to get 15 mins of fame
    Dash Earthboy: as a FL preacher has showed
    Agatha Macbeth nods and sighs
    Bruce Mowbray: Can hardly believe that when there was an oil spill in the Gulf, we were at least bothered about something really important.
    arabella Ella: but Bruce even where the oil spill is concerned
    arabella Ella: there was so much manipulation of data by the media
    arabella Ella: all twisted
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, agrees. . . hard to get the straight line on anything.
    Agatha Macbeth: The media want us to believe what they want us to believe
    Mickorod Renard: and, who are they anyway?
    Bruce Mowbray: I am concerned that many really fine people will experience "media fatugue" and get cynical about all news outlets.
    Dash Earthboy: i baxxically tracked the oil problem on govt GIS sites
    Agatha Macbeth: Who indeed Mick
    Bruce Mowbray: say more, Dash.
    arabella Ella: yes Dash please say more
    Dash Earthboy: just that the media is as varied as the internet itself
    Mickorod Renard: gis?


    Dash Earthboy: i try to see what the government is seeing
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry folks, gonna have to run now
    Dash Earthboy: bye aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care :)

    I left at this point for another appointment, but the session continued....
    Alfred Kelberry: *hugs aga* bye :)
    Mickorod Renard: bye ags
    arabella Ella: bye Ags
    Alfred Kelberry: dash, you have to be the government for that :)
    Dash Earthboy: I learned GIS about 10 years ago while working for the government
    Dash Earthboy: but there are sites us regular citizens can research at
    arabella Ella: Mick GIS = Global Information System (I think?)
    Alfred Kelberry: what did you find?
    arabella Ella: yes what did you find?
    Mickorod Renard: ok, thankyou Alf
    arabella Ella: was it as bad as we were made to think?
    Dash Earthboy: Geospatial Info System
    arabella Ella: oh ty
    Dash Earthboy: or Geographic Info Sys
    Alfred Kelberry: think of google maps :)
    arabella Ella: yes
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Dash Earthboy: think of Google Earth
    Alfred Kelberry: right, earth even
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Alfred Kelberry: so? conspiracy? :)
    Dash Earthboy: I like it almost as much as ESRI
    Dash Earthboy: conspiracy?
    arabella Ella: ummmm which means?
    Alfred Kelberry: you said you found something
    arabella Ella: ESRI?
    Alfred Kelberry: or i think you did...
    Mickorod Renard: I am intrigued too
    arabella Ella: me too
    Dash Earthboy: sorry I'm on a reall slow desktop system today
    Alfred Kelberry: tracking gis data, oil, government, etc...
    Alfred Kelberry: sounds like a scoop :)
    Dash Earthboy: check out ESRI.com for alternative to Google Earth
    Dash Earthboy: governments use ESRI
    Mickorod Renard: ok great
    Alfred Kelberry: *touches mick's tail*

    (An Av whose name I don't recognise arrived at this point. Since no one mentioned the recording or offered a notecard, I *presume* she has been to PaB before.  If anyone knows differently please inform me).

    arabella Ella: Hiya Donacita
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Dash Earthboy: ESRI is used to track healthcare issues
    Donacita Munro: (hi )
    Dash Earthboy: hi Donacita
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Don
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, dona
    Donacita Munro: ㋡ ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* halo hello hi hola *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆ ㋡
    Donacita Munro: ☯ _/i\_☯ :::: ૐ ♥ Namaste ♥ ૐ ::::.㋡¸.•**•.¸ MA CIAU
    Donacita Munro: all
    Alfred Kelberry: don't think we've met :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe the spill wasn't as bad as made out - I read that there had been unexpectedly huge amount of natural bacteria that wait around and then eat the oil, and can multiply like mad when there is some
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Donacita.
    Dash Earthboy: yes Cal but it still makes much damage
    Dash Earthboy: lots of volunteers in the Gulf area hae shared their perspective
    arabella Ella: Here in Europe the media criticised the US media quite a lot
    arabella Ella: and said it was not as bad as the US media made it out to be
    Alfred Kelberry: um, sorry... what does this emicon means? _/i\_
    Alfred Kelberry: i see fef uses it and just now dona
    Mickorod Renard: and much equipment that BP had to use was US made,,to US spec
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    arabella Ella: i honestly dont know Alf :)
    Alfred Kelberry: it looks suspicious :)
    Dash Earthboy: it's the hand position when one greets with "namaste"
    Alfred Kelberry: hmm
    Calvino Rabeni: In these big events there are always interests trying to play it up for ideological purposes one way or another , rather than just considering the facts
    Dash Earthboy: don't think you can do it alf
    Mickorod Renard: I think england were forced to play badly against the US in the world cup as compensation
    Donacita Munro: (alfred, it is two hands saying namaste, hello )
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, it looks odd :)
    Dash Earthboy: haha mick
    Donacita Munro: arf tks dsash
    arabella Ella: well the oil interests involve billions of dollars and include lots of vested interests no doubt
    arabella Ella: the Brits were also offended at the emphasis on 'British' when the firm is really multinational and no longer simply 'British'
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Dash Earthboy: BP HQ not in UK?
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Mickorod Renard: and then there was all the crap about libya and letting the terrorist out as some BP conspiracy
    arabella Ella: I dont know where the HQ is but there is a big bank with a HQ in London but the bank is not British
    Mickorod Renard: there is more to this than whats let on I am sure
    arabella Ella: oh yes Mick the bullying about the Lockerbie disaster
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Dash Earthboy: zeitgeist
    Dash Earthboy: the movie explains it well


    arabella Ella nods
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, folks, i'm off
    Mickorod Renard: I have to leave folks,,lovely chatting
    Alfred Kelberry: it was nice seeing you all
    Mickorod Renard: bye Alf
    arabella Ella: bye Alf bye Mick
    Alfred Kelberry: *hugs ara and zaps her with joy* :)
    Alfred Kelberry: bye :)
    arabella Ella: oww thanks Alf hugs you back :)
    Donacita Munro: bye
    arabella Ella: bye Donacita
    arabella Ella: i must go too thanks for the interesting chat!
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Ara :)
    Dash Earthboy: and I'm getting distractions here too
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you, ara.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye!
    Dash Earthboy: so guess i'll be off
    Dash Earthboy: nice to see y'all
    Bruce Mowbray: THANK SO MUCH, Dash!
    Dash Earthboy: yw Bruce

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