2010.09.15 19:00 - Lucidity

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    Lawrence Vyceratops, Eliza Madrigal and SophiaSharon Larnia  arrived and we bagan the discussion:

     We discuss a few topics this evening, afters a Viewer comment we moved on to .. Why do we come here?


    Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Lawrence, you were here yessterday, weren't you
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Yes.
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome back
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Thank you.
    stevenaia Michinaga: was yesterday your first time?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: No, I've been here many times. :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: this place has that affect
    Lawrence Vyceratops: of attraction?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;ve been returning for years
    stevenaia Michinaga: that as well
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Your name is familiar.
    stevenaia Michinaga: when you find a comfortable place
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, I have had another avatars
    stevenaia Michinaga: I thought the lindens were not going to allow Emerald Viewer to be used
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems I belive to much
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Everyone keeps telling me that, but I don't know anything about it.
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I tried to install the Viewer 2.0, but it kept trying to install in German, so I went to a forum to see what viewer most users preferred and many said Emerald.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: So, I installed Emerald.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Now, everyone says, "you can't use Emerald." haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: I used to use it and liked it, but read all this stuff about it, sounded like some sort of internet drama scene and appearently I fell for it and switched
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh. haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: I had problems ith viewer 2, made me a woman avatar, so I kept her
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: So, you are not a blonde girl? haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: I used to be a blond guy avatar, but now I am a blond girl
    stevenaia Michinaga: such is life
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s quite comfortable, actually
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, yeah? haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, just another well fitted suit
    stevenaia Michinaga: good to wear what fits, don't you think?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I suppose.
    stevenaia Michinaga: what have you thought while joining these sessins?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Well, I wonder a lot what people think about why they come here.
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi there Steve and Lawrence :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi ELiza
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I'm not sure there are many places where you do that
    stevenaia Michinaga: "[19:08] Lawrence Vyceratops: Well, I wonder a lot what people think about why they come here."
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I can only share for myself of course... as is the case for anyone really...
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Of course.
    Eliza Madrigal: And even that is funny because it changes day to day...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi stevenaia, Eliza, and Lawrence :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Sophia
    stevenaia Michinaga: this is a quiet time of the day for me, and I find I am open to what people share here. I have leard quite a bit about things I would have never been exposed to except by coming here
    Eliza Madrigal: I feel PaB is a very layered experience
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon! :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: Welcome back, hope your trip was wonderful?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it was :) thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: In the beginning, PaB was 'interesting'... but that has unfolded
    stevenaia Michinaga: reality is composed of so many aspects, like stars, at first there are so many, soon you spend time with more and more of them
    Eliza Madrigal: wonderful image, yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: meaning of them comes only with time and a bit of patience
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles at the image of meeting them
    Eliza Madrigal: which comes with time...
    Eliza Madrigal: (patience that is) :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I dont know ... when i first came to PaB I felt like I walked into a room full of them at one time lolol
    Eliza Madrigal: :) @ Sharon
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it can be overwhelming at times
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it wasnt until later i could back up and look at one at a time :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, was about to ask about Lawrence.... re the 'why'...
    Lawrence Vyceratops: I hope to be back soon. My grlfriend just cooked salmon and rice. :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yum :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: enjoy
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Thanks! I hope it's good! haha
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pila :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: a partner as a good cook can be a great thing

    Pila Mulligan arrives followed by Alfred Kelberry and Eos Amateras

    Pila Mulligan: greetings
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pila
    Eliza Madrigal: I think you both, and Maxine, have given me a puzzle idea!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Pila :) <watches appear="" crawl="" ground="" of="" out="" pila="" the="" to="">
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: I must find a way to do something with pixelations
    Eliza Madrigal: So nice to see you Pila :)
    Pila Mulligan: thanks ... same :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I remember re-reading one of the first session I attended with pema and Stim, it was quite overwhelming
    Eliza Madrigal: do you remember what was overwhelming for you?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I had no frame of reference to understand what they were talking about :)
    Eliza Madrigal: he he
    Eliza Madrigal: I was sure that I did, when I got here... hahaha
    stevenaia Michinaga: so I kept comming back and the nurturung environment was of great help to my eventual understanding
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: *nurturing
    Eliza Madrigal: That's a wonderful disposition Steve... to ease into everything...
    Pila Mulligan: the recipe was secondary to the meal then
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: well the way Pema speaks to the topic is helpful, in a sophicatated simplicity
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: oi :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Alfred
    Pila Mulligan: hi Alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: pila the iching :)
    Pila Mulligan: Alfred the Box :)
    Alfred Kelberry: good to see you all again
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alfred :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eos
    Alfred Kelberry: eos :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: hi gang
    Eliza Madrigal: Lawrence was here before... started us off with a question about why we're here :)
    Pila Mulligan cannot help but onder why he is not here :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha well isnt that the question of a lifetime
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Pila
    Pila Mulligan: Lawrence, that is
    Pila Mulligan: to pursue the The Meaning of life question
    stevenaia Michinaga: I thinking the fewer wikipidia pages that need to be referenced to understand the evening discussion, the more successful the evening discussion is
    Eliza Madrigal: he may be exploring that... went to eat dinner
    Alfred Kelberry: he brought up some important questions last session :)
    Pila Mulligan: :) .... but steve
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Eos Amaterasu: you can use wikipedia links as verbs but not as nouns
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Pila Mulligan: the world is contained in Google and Wiki
    Alfred Kelberry: steve, you can always edit the references :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: certainly parts are
    stevenaia Michinaga: grins, they are usually my references
    Eos Amaterasu: the world is being embraced by our electronic arms more and more
    Alfred Kelberry: even more so :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I should have framed that in the first person
    Eliza Madrigal: "mommmy"
    Eos Amaterasu: exactly!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i saw parking meters that took credit cards in california and thought the same thing
    Pila Mulligan: did you guys have a step toward answering the question, earlier?
    Eos Amaterasu: Laurie Anderson's song "O Superman" has that sentiment
    Eos Amaterasu: why are we here?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Eliza Madrigal giggles... from now on I reference Eos's example of how to post a chat log, with three 'm's, btw
    stevenaia Michinaga: or why do we come back
    Eos Amaterasu: there's a painting by Gauguin...
    stevenaia Michinaga: three m's?
    Pila Mulligan: here being life i presume, as opposed to PaB?
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, Lawrence's question was PaB actually...
    stevenaia Michinaga: in this instance , no here at PaB
    Pila Mulligan: okay, thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: he seems to come to sessions to ask it a lot
    Eliza Madrigal: well, at least a few times I've seen... but I never tried to answer before..
    Pila Mulligan: simpler question by far
    Eos Amaterasu: We are pleased to be here
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: couldn't pin it down myself... thought about first impressions, then developing friendships, then appreciation of directness...
    Pila Mulligan: friednship I'd say
    SophiaSharon Larnia: appreciating the sense of being --here and there-- at the same time
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: albeit mispelled
    Eliza Madrigal: the friendships I think, are substantive due to direct exploration...
    Alfred Kelberry: i liked bert's (i think it was him) answer: be kind, do no harm :)
    Eos Amaterasu: freudenslip
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice that you can appriciate a sence of being here... and then take that with you whem you leave
    Alfred Kelberry: pila, it's called "mipsrint" :)
    Pila Mulligan: )
    Pila Mulligan: :)*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: but there is challenge here, too...
    Eliza Madrigal: like a good friend(s) who knows when to push for an answer... or calls you on something, etc.
    Eliza Madrigal: the directness, I guess I keep coming back to
    Eos Amaterasu: that's an interesting aspect, how we could be that way with each other
    Eliza Madrigal: does it spring from Knowing?
    Eos Amaterasu: deep feeling, deep being, empathy, nothing to lose, helpless helpless

    Pila mentioned next Tuesday 1:00 PM's Theme Session with Fox and Maxine, the conversation turned to lucidity

    Pila Mulligan: next Tuesday Maxine and Fox are going to do a session on lucid dreaming at the Dream Workshop ... as a topic that is also relevant to waking experience, it seems interesting when we recognize lucidity in any moment
    Eliza Madrigal: oooh, thanks for telling us Pila
    Pila Mulligan: maybe we come here seeking lucdity
    Eliza Madrigal begins to mentally reorder her scheduling blocks
    Eliza Madrigal: yes "We need each other's magic"
    Eliza Madrigal: ;-)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: and light
    Eos Amaterasu: I suppose being here is about waking up?
    Eliza Madrigal: being seen
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: that;s the 1:00 session?
    Eos Amaterasu: and sometimes being woken up
    Eliza Madrigal: roar
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: cough cough
    Eliza Madrigal: :)haha
    Eliza Madrigal: The dream workshop is at 1, yes...
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks
    Eos Amaterasu: Wondering where the lions are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Lpx6JIMmk ; for later
    Pila Mulligan: sorry Steve, I misread, thought you were talking about waking up at the 1 am session
    Pila Mulligan: joking*
    Eliza Madrigal: how does one recognize lucidity? I can think of what it is for me... but am curious from others
    Eliza Madrigal clicks and saves link
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting question
    Pila Mulligan: having better awareness maybe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lucidity a feeling of click??
    Eos Amaterasu: Lucidity while dreaming, or while awake?
    Pila Mulligan: both :)
    Eliza Madrigal: either...
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Pila Mulligan: I think they are similar, at least
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: So Eliza, how do you recognize lucidity while awake?
    Eos Amaterasu: (recognize lucidity? what does that mean?)
    Pila Mulligan: see light :)
    Eos Amaterasu: I think so
    Eliza Madrigal: well.. as in dreams a sense of awareness of dreaming.... of the embeddedness...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, light too...
    Eliza Madrigal: awareness of dreaming in the daytime in particular... could be lots of things
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it is neat that sometimes we seem to have group lucidity
    Eos Amaterasu: you mean everyone perks up?
    Eliza Madrigal: clicks? heh
    Eliza Madrigal: @ Sharon ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Definition of LUCIDITY 1: clearness of thought or style 2: a presumed capacity to perceive the truth directly and instantaneously ... In common usage, intelligibility, brightness or sanity (leaving out the lucid dream definition)
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, sustained clarity
    Eos Amaterasu: lucid: filled with light
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Pila Mulligan: from the Latin word for light
    Eos Amaterasu: "the room is empty the room is full of light the room is empty the room is full of light"
    Alfred Kelberry: is it like a tiny satori?
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    Eliza Madrigal: so 'being seen' in the light is a kind of exposure and trust...
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: could be :-)!
    Eliza Madrigal: mm, yes...

    A noob, Claundio arrived dancing in the fountain with music.  It was his first day in SL so we gave him a welcome

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Claundio
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Claudio
    Alfred Kelberry: awakening in action :)
    Claudio Lythrum: hi all^^
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, cotton eyed joe... this is new
    Pila Mulligan: Claudio, born 9/15/2010 -- welcome
    stevenaia Michinaga: our own Lucid Dream has appeared
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: splashing water in the fountain :)
    Claudio Lythrum: dance^^
    Eos Amaterasu: wasn't born yesterday :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: it took me months to learn to dance that well
    Alfred Kelberry: shall we dance? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: or keep on moping...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: Have you join us before Claudio?
    Claudio Lythrum: join?
    stevenaia Michinaga: been here before?
    Claudio Lythrum: whats this here?
    Eos Amaterasu: (heh heh)
    stevenaia Michinaga: in our little group
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Pila Mulligan: we were just discussing that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: hah Pila :D
    Claudio Lythrum: where are you from?
    Eliza Madrigal: All over the world, really
    stevenaia Michinaga: aww, first day n SL, happy Rez day
    Eos Amaterasu: what we do here is discuss and try to experience directly the nature of reality
    Pila Mulligan: onigokko
    Alfred Kelberry: pila :)
    Pila Mulligan: ?
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Pila Mulligan: did I missepll that?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) eep see who has it on lol
    Eliza Madrigal: We're definitely dreaming
    Claudio Lythrum: i come from switzerland
    stevenaia Michinaga: onigokko
    Pila Mulligan: stop
    Pila Mulligan: stop
    Pila Mulligan: brb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: oh pila
    Eos Amaterasu: hah hah
    Eliza Madrigal: OOPS!
    Eliza Madrigal: Onigokko'ed right out of here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Pila :)
    Eos Amaterasu: very imprudent of you, Pila!
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Claudio, we record these session, do you mind if we include you on our Wiki?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Claudio Lythrum: sorry i cant understand you very good i speak bad english
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats ok I speak english and still speak bad english
    Eliza Madrigal: I spoke better english before I came here...
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps we can just turn down the music and continue
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Eliza Madrigal: hahhaha
    Pila Mulligan: I can speak okay, it is the typing that's difficult
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, my volume has been off for a while
    stevenaia Michinaga: agreed, Pila
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: his music is getting better
    Eliza Madrigal: Can we give requests? :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I don't hear music :0
    Eos Amaterasu: Neither do I
    Eos Amaterasu: I hear crickets
    Eos Amaterasu: and wolves
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: this session has flown by...
    Claudio Lythrum: how old since her
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks up at clock, indeed
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, midnight, time to leave, bye folks!
    Pila Mulligan: aha, Claudio found a cushion ... way to go :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Eos
    Pila Mulligan: bye Eos
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eos :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Eos pumpkin
    Eliza Madrigal: (re midnight) ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: I need to get going as well. Such fun to be with you guys though. Nice to meet you Claudio
    Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes me too, still a little cranky from jet lag :) night all!!
    Pila Mulligan: bye ELiza
    Claudio Lythrum: bye^^
    Pila Mulligan: bye Sharon
    Eliza Madrigal: Hugs, bye
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, Claudio, we meet for an hour or so 4 times a day, feel free to join us anytime
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you mind if we include your cmments on our wiki?
    stevenaia Michinaga: "comments"
    Pila Mulligan: 1:00 and 7:00 AM and PM Second lif etime
    Pila Mulligan: *life time, that is
    Pila Mulligan: how have you liked your first day bin SEcond Life, Claudio?
    Pila Mulligan: *in (not bin)
    Claudio Lythrum: is very good here
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Pila Mulligan: you can make a landmark to rememebr how to find this place, using the WOrld menu
    Pila Mulligan: where it says 'create landmark' -- then you click that landmark to arrive here ahgain later
    Claudio Lythrum: ok
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Claudio (he disappears)
    Pila Mulligan: maybe he clicked somthing :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: like...quit
    Pila Mulligan: Alfred, have you taken up exploring Buddhism?
    Pila Mulligan: welcome back Claudio
    stevenaia Michinaga: he may be away,
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Claudio, welcome back
    Pila Mulligan: so it seems
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am being called away, thanks for coming Pila, and Alfred, nice meeting you Claudio
    Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
    Pila Mulligan: do you speak German Claudio?
    Pila Mulligan: well, Claudio has gone again
    Pila Mulligan: Alfred, it seems you are away, but I'll say goodbye to you nonetheless -- see you next time</watches>

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