2010.09.18 01:00 - many topics

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bertram Jacobus. The comments are by Bertram Jacobus.

    adoro Rhapsody: somebody Nio gave me new outlook
    adoro Rhapsody: no hair anymore
    adoro Rhapsody: and a more male posture
    Qt Core: you had dreadlocks for a few days, right ?
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: now ive lost them
    adoro Rhapsody: and i dont know how to repair
    Qt Core: on movies and other av i like bald heads, not so much on me ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Qt Core: well, to be honest i hinted at home i'd like to try a bald haircut sometimes but they hinted i may end to look like Mussolini a little too much ;-) (that's why bald heads aren't so common here in italy i suppose if you still have even a little hair)
    Qt Core: strange phrase costrunction this morning ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: i have the same assosiations with adolf
    adoro Rhapsody: negative
    adoro Rhapsody: my name in rl is Ad from Adrianus
    adoro Rhapsody: but some one said is it a abbreviation of Adolf ?
    adoro Rhapsody: and i didnt like it
    adoro Rhapsody: i have no problem with advertising
    Qt Core: both i presume (and yes, here Benito as a first name disappeared)
    Qt Core: ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: i see bertram in the mini-cart
    adoro Rhapsody: maybe he is at his place
    adoro Rhapsody: shall we go to him ?
    Qt Core: yes, he seem to be there
    Qt Core: but he is approaching now
    adoro Rhapsody: o he is come here
    Qt Core: Hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. good morning pabers ! :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi bertram
    Qt Core: trying to make it one ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: i have something to say
    adoro Rhapsody: a trinity
    Bertram Jacobus: same here qt - nice remark ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. who takes which role adoro ? ;-)
    Qt Core: or just a trio
    adoro Rhapsody: father son and holy ghost
    adoro Rhapsody: i will be the ghost
    adoro Rhapsody: i will leave my avatar to day
    Bertram Jacobus: damn ! that was the role i spontaneously had in my mind, too ! ... ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: kind of digital suicide
    adoro Rhapsody: or ressurection
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i know : your travel to barcelona, right ?
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: and so you will come back after one week ?
    adoro Rhapsody: and i will come back and make another avatar
    Qt Core: Well, you may let it go Phantom in some viewer, adoro
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! with another name ? why ?
    adoro Rhapsody: sure and i want another name
    adoro Rhapsody: and an other outlook
    Bertram Jacobus: [silence ? you like ?]
    adoro Rhapsody: no bald head anymore
    adoro Rhapsody: no starting with Ad anymore
    adoro Rhapsody: but a name like Bamboo Barcelona
    adoro Rhapsody: or Beijing Barcelona
    adoro Rhapsody: or Barca Beijing
    Bertram Jacobus smiles
    adoro Rhapsody: i see it as a honour to the name of bertram
    adoro Rhapsody: because he made the best place and atmosphere in SL
    Qt Core: i've spent weeks trying to find a cool name for a new av... but as i even have doubts about the usefulness of a second av (to me) i didn't find one
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: i like to explore how it is to have a second av in second life
    Qt Core: well, i tought a nice one but was unable to attain it: Manti Core
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: nice
    adoro Rhapsody: but why Core ?
    Bertram Jacobus: but - a name and another avatar are two things qt - didn´t you really find another name or did you stop searching ?
    adoro Rhapsody: Core ?
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. you wrote already the answer ...
    Qt Core: ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Qt Core: just for the word play and to leave it in the family ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe
    adoro Rhapsody: i took Rhapsody because the nr. 1 hit of Queen
    adoro Rhapsody: Bohemian Rhapsody
    Qt Core: ohh, i hoped it was for the Blue one (my favourite music piece)
    adoro Rhapsody: Rhapsody in Blue ?
    Qt Core: yes
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: i like that too
    adoro Rhapsody: but it was not my first thought
    Bertram Jacobus: but ... may be a big lack of knowledge : what does manti core stand for qt - does that have a meaning ? i guess, but i don´t know ...
    adoro Rhapsody: So Bohemian Barcelona would also fit
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: it is still a song of Queen
    Qt Core: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore
    Bertram Jacobus: you´re really creative adoro ! :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: Barcelona
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: thats what i like in SL
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. thx qt - i´ll look it up in the german version ... :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: u can be creative
    adoro Rhapsody: without boundaries
    adoro Rhapsody: and just with some good friends
    adoro Rhapsody: who's avatars seem to understand your avatar
    Qt Core: and then there is the it meanings of core (basically the memory and the its content of a computer)
    Bertram Jacobus: okayyyy
    adoro Rhapsody: over 5 years i wanna go to Milano
    Qt Core: (even if nowadays is used to count the elements on a cpu)
    adoro Rhapsody: with the world exhibition
    Qt Core: for the Expo ?
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: and the nice cathedral
    adoro Rhapsody: and the creative atmosphere
    Qt Core: the planning is going so bad i almost hope the commitee will strip out of the Expo (even if i'd like to "live" it)
    adoro Rhapsody: 2015 expo milano
    Bertram Jacobus: (i looked it up - manticore - quite mystical elements with it) ! :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: the first signs that crisis is over are coming now
    adoro Rhapsody: Rotterdam has a good year again
    Qt Core: yes, but the "victims" are scattered all around
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. same here in germany (about the crisis) adoro - but the differences between poor and rich are nearly unbearable i find (!) ...
    adoro Rhapsody: but i think in 2015 Milano will prosper again
    Qt Core: the firms are restarting but the people that lost their jobs ?
    adoro Rhapsody: and i see they are hired in again for short time yet
    Qt Core: i doubt it
    adoro Rhapsody: and short time will become long time
    Qt Core: (i'll love to be wrong)
    adoro Rhapsody: on the run
    adoro Rhapsody: germany has such a good innovative automibiles
    adoro Rhapsody: like BMW
    adoro Rhapsody: they are selling good again
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, we need corrections of the capitalistic system, some social elements
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: hello zaldaan
    Qt Core: i must admit that Fiat stopped making crappy cars in this past decade too
    adoro Rhapsody: all institutions will be gone
    Qt Core: Hi Zaldaan
    adoro Rhapsody: hi zaldaan
    Bertram Jacobus: take a seat and be with us if you like zaldaan ! :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: how are u ?
    adoro Rhapsody: u wanna take some rest Zaldaan ?
    adoro Rhapsody: here
    Bertram Jacobus: [ Play as Being 15 minute bell: Please observe 90 seconds of silence. ] ?
    adoro Rhapsody: is good place for discussion
    adoro Rhapsody: sorry
    Bertram Jacobus: but may be, you don´t like the silent brakes adoro ?
    adoro Rhapsody: yes i love them
    adoro Rhapsody: but i was more interested in Zaldaan
    Bertram Jacobus: i like also to say sorry because the ... how to say that ? - reminding on this may not be liked by everybody ! ... *blushh*
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Thank you.
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Bertram Jacobus: why do you have a tail adoro ?
    adoro Rhapsody: is of oriniko yesterday
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ok
    Bertram Jacobus: and what you said before about your hair : you could have some, also with this avatar, no ? :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: not in the origial
    adoro Rhapsody: he is bold
    adoro Rhapsody: and i could not get my adoro original back
    Qt Core: but all the shape/skin come bald
    Bertram Jacobus: and besides : zaldaan, are you the first time here ? we have to ask all new visitors for their permission, because we record the talks here. is that okay for you ?
    Bertram Jacobus: and put it on a wiki. it´s all written on a notecard, which i can give you if you like (?)
    Bertram Jacobus: really ? the first avatars one gets when one registers on sl ? shall be without hair ? i thought that would be with hair , no ?
    Qt Core: even without editing your av, you just find some hair in yout inventory and wear them
    Bertram Jacobus: but - lol - that is not a question which may have such a big relevance ... ;-)
    Qt Core: (no, the shapes/skin you get after, free or paying)
    Zaldaan Sirnah: are people playing with their beings when they type with their hands?
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, more with THE being as with THEIR beings zaldaan ... hm
    adoro Rhapsody: of course not in real
    adoro Rhapsody: its all outside
    adoro Rhapsody: but what u say can be inside
    adoro Rhapsody: or what u think also inside
    adoro Rhapsody: but then u hide with an avatar
    Bertram Jacobus: hello sharry :-)
    Sharry Ragu: hi hi :))
    adoro Rhapsody: hi sharry
    Qt Core: Hi Sharry
    Sharry Ragu: Namaste
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - the greeting of the common light - nice ... namasté ! ... :-)
    Sharry Ragu: :))
    adoro Rhapsody: what does it mean when there is no guardian ?
    adoro Rhapsody: or nobody claimed it as a guardian ?
    Bertram Jacobus: there is also an auto recorder which does it then
    Bertram Jacobus: sharry : are you the first time here ? :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: is the PaB Host also Guardian ?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes adoro
    Sharry Ragu: no Bertram, I have come here on a couple of occasions
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Qt Core: yes, it is one of the different pab title you can choose
    Sharry Ragu: is there a group I can join so as not to confuse when I enter?
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - sry - then i hope it´s at least the first time we meet here sharry - and that i did not forget !
    adoro Rhapsody: doesnt mean when there are two PaB Hosts that every ting is duoble recorded ?
    Sharry Ragu: not a worry Bertram, I wouldn't feel upset if you didn't remember anyway.. many avis in SL ;)
    Bertram Jacobus: sry no sharry - but usually new visitors are quite well known after a few visits - so you will be recognized in that way - no worries plz about that ! (?) :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and adoro : also a no : every claiming replaces a claiming which have been made before
    Sharry Ragu: ahh rightio :))
    adoro Rhapsody: dont worry be happy
    Sharry Ragu: worry is occasionally useful I think
    adoro Rhapsody: i am leaving for barcelona and will look at the Mies vd Rohe pavilion in real
    Bertram Jacobus: may be worrying has different variations ? so to say good and bad ones ?
    Sharry Ragu: I would agree Bert
    adoro Rhapsody: and then return as a new av with a name starting with a B
    Sharry Ragu: sorry, Bertram :))
    adoro Rhapsody: that will be my second avatar in second life
    Bertram Jacobus: that´s really great adoro ! and i think, also the town in a whole may be really fascinating
    Bertram Jacobus: hey ! bert is ok as well as bertram sharry :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: and i like to come to PaB again as a new av
    adoro Rhapsody: Hey!
    Bertram Jacobus: lol - the gesture ... ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: lol adoro
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. he´s a real special guy ! ... ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: I am a little late for the session, is there a theme?
    Sharry Ragu: haha.. special, I like that :))
    Bertram Jacobus: not really sharry - mostly i would say, it develops from the moment , spontaneously ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and very often also there are a few at the same time
    Sharry Ragu: yes, I got swept into the ponderings of worry ;)
    Bertram Jacobus: and also sometimes ... more quiet
    Sharry Ragu nods
    Sharry Ragu: ok
    Bertram Jacobus: i like that all, especially here i must admit ... :-)
    Sharry Ragu: I am hoping to be here a little more often to experience it all
    Bertram Jacobus: that would be wonderful sharry ! :-)
    Sharry Ragu: thank you :))
    Bertram Jacobus: did you meet already before some ... i like to call it : spiritually interested people in sl or / and are you interested in such at all ? ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: better i should have asked : were you intersted in such already before you came here ? ... :-)
    Sharry Ragu: I'm wondering about the term, spiritual.. I have met a lot of wonderful people in SL, some more spiritually inclined, I float around the psychological realm
    Sharry Ragu: and yes, always interested in the world and being :))
    Sharry Ragu: although, I think spiritual/psychological is one in the same perhaps??
    Bertram Jacobus: i see ! and agree : that word seems to be difficult, regarding to it´s meaning ... in german that is more easy, because spiritual here means also : mind (!) :-)
    Sharry Ragu: oh, and german?
    Bertram Jacobus: sry ?
    Sharry Ragu: in german it is more easy?
    Bertram Jacobus: no - i meant : in german spiritual means spiritual (lol) AND mind ...
    Sharry Ragu: ahhh.. thank you :))
    Sharry Ragu: I often wonder about the psyche and it's energy.. the unconscious drives.. how they get all tangled..
    Qt Core: and messed up ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: indeed Qt! lol
    Bertram Jacobus: so this word in my language is in this special way with it´s different meanings interesting and nice to use ... to explain, also to people who don´t like mystics for example so well (difficult to express such complex and subtile topics in a foreign language i find) ... ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: I understand Bertram, although sometimes puddling through it can be enjoyable ;)
    Qt Core: as the topic tends to be subthe and everchanging sometimes having to translate it help to freeze it for a moment and "take a pic"
    Sharry Ragu nods, nice observation Qt! I agree :))
    Qt Core: but others times, the time it take to "shot the pic" the discussion already changed topic ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: lol.. those interested would keep on it I think, but yes I see your point
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. that´s interesting : so we have with that a new element to look at ourselves and how to handle such qt
    Qt Core: the first times i chatted in english it was almost infuriating being always late!
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. i am still, very often. too late
    Sharry Ragu: english is my only language.. and I am often late! lol
    Qt Core: me too, but at least not always now ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: I am a slow thinker.. like a perculator ;)
    Bertram Jacobus giggles
    Qt Core: in a weird way nowadays i make more spelling errors than months ago and i feel that it is a sign of being more comfortable, not having to be 100% concentrated to find the words
    Sharry Ragu: that and learning that we are all fluent in typonese ;)
    Bertram Jacobus: lol yes
    Qt Core: maybe typonese is the language inprinted in our DNA the fabled first language ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: hahaha! :))
    Bertram Jacobus: regarding to the other topic : it´s interesting, how psychological interested people come here, as well as philosophical interested ones, as well as religious interested ones - and very nice i find (!) ... :-)
    Sharry Ragu: it is a good reflection Qt, and once you are familiar with a language, we only perceive a few letters in each word....
    Sharry Ragu: I agree Bertram! we are all searching the same thing.. I think :))
    Qt Core: agreed
    Qt Core: with both of the last Sharry lines
    Sharry Ragu: heh.. see, two topics at the same time!
    Bertram Jacobus: finally, i think so too . and on our ways - this diversity can be a wonderful help for playing and researching, experiencing and may be much more ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: yess ! (two topics) :-)
    Qt Core: different povs, usually a good thing
    Bertram Jacobus: so many new elements from the net ! (third topic lol) :o)
    Sharry Ragu: absolutely! I think of it as becoming multi-lingual in different disciplines
    Sharry Ragu: LOL.. the net!! nice one :D
    Sharry Ragu: I find this medium so rich!
    Sharry Ragu: and possibly something that can unite the people of the world (potentially of course)
    Bertram Jacobus: but i like it too to handle the topics in a way which shall not be too intense and not too much only on the surface too. as the buddha recommended it : the so called "Middle Path" ...
    Qt Core: i usually love it as i can get whathever i want from it and a few times i hate it as i can't get all of it ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and to feel all that also from the deepest stage of ourselves - as often and as well as possible ... ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: mmm, hope i´m not being too intense or surfacy... lol
    Bertram Jacobus: lol - sry ! that is only MY view and feeling. to others their measure of intensity may be totally different to mine ... :o)
    Sharry Ragu: LOL.. no srys Bertram!! :))
    Sharry Ragu: Qt, it can frustrate you?
    Qt Core: yes, the impossibility of being omniscient ;-)
    Qt Core: or just the lack of time to read/see all of it
    Sharry Ragu: LOL, a hungry sponge :))
    Sharry Ragu: apologies for typing over the break
    Bertram Jacobus: ( and also i experience, that my own feeling to that (intensity) changes , always - regarding to the topics for example )
    Bertram Jacobus: no sorries sharry ? ;o)
    Qt Core: it happens, almost to everyone
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus confirms that :o)
    Sharry Ragu: I didn't feel you needed to be sorry Bertram, for sharing your view :))
    Bertram Jacobus: and you not for typing in the break i wanted to express with that ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: LOL fantastic and point taken Bertram!
    Bertram Jacobus: ty ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: to me, it helps very much when i have sound on - then i hear the bell. without i type much more into those breaks. shows how unaware i´m sometimes ... hm ...
    Sharry Ragu: that was exactly my problem, I missed hearing the bell
    Bertram Jacobus: but may be it´s impossible to be aware of all (?!) ... :-)
    Qt Core: only for brief blissfull moments, Bert
    Sharry Ragu: I think if we were to become aware of all, our minds would instantly cave in!! lol
    Sharry Ragu: too much data!!
    Qt Core: i'm partial to the bell, the fountain and the green colour of the chat announce, depends if i'm typing or not
    Bertram Jacobus: would be nice qt - blissfullness ...
    Sharry Ragu: would either of you say you have experienced blissfullness?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. and always a look at the lines before pushing enter would do so much ( say it also to myself) ! ... ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: LOL.. me too ;)
    Bertram Jacobus thinks about sharry´s question ...
    Qt Core: don't know if it was blissfulness but there were some moments in my life in which i felt very, very good and connected
    Qt Core: just remembering make me feel better
    Bertram Jacobus: hello freud
    Sharry Ragu: :))
    Sharry Ragu: LOL
    Sharry Ragu: indeed
    Sharry Ragu: Qt, when you say connected, what does that mean to you?
    Qt Core: in peace and/or knowing
    Qt Core: Hi Freud
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m not sure, what exactly blissful means, but if we could understand it as feeling free from wishes, very comfortable and such - then i would say : yes, i´m thankful, that i may experience such now and then ...
    Freud Jungsten: Heya... not interupting am I?
    Bertram Jacobus: absolutely not freud - you´re welcome ! :-)
    Qt Core: no, never and no one does that here ;-)
    Sharry Ragu loves Freud's work :))
    Freud Jungsten: lol
    Freud Jungsten: He was a perve...
    Freud Jungsten: But a smart one.
    Sharry Ragu: Bertram, I feel I share my understanding of blissfull with you.. free from wishes, comfortable and content with what is
    Sharry Ragu: LOL.. I said I liked his work ;)
    Sharry Ragu: he was a freak!!
    Sharry Ragu: but yes, a very clever freak :))
    Freud Jungsten: Not as much as Jung though.
    Sharry Ragu: I am not as schooled in Jung
    Freud Jungsten: More freak less smart in my opinion on Jung.
    Sharry Ragu: ahh.. good to know! :D
    Qt Core: thinking about those moment more than free of whishes i would say i just had forgot them for a while ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: mmm.. I might need some more wishes...
    Qt Core: time to go for me, rl is claiming my presence ;-)
    Freud Jungsten: Might explain why people with less stuf have more happiness.
    Freud Jungsten: Ciao.
    Sharry Ragu: it has been a pleasure Qt, be well :))
    Qt Core: Ciao ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: oops - was too fast for me, so for the log : bye qt ;-)
    Sharry Ragu: Freud, are you annoying or just provocative?
    Freud Jungsten: I have been labled annoying more than provacative.
    Sharry Ragu: hmmm...
    Freud Jungsten: Folks sorta dislike that I wont get into their little boxes.
    Sharry Ragu: :))
    Sharry Ragu: you sound like someone interesting to know :))
    Freud Jungsten: Interesting is a very loaded word... smiles
    Sharry Ragu: I like interesting *shrugs*
    Freud Jungsten grins
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - interesse is latin and means - to be with. in contrary to being unintersted (lol) :o)
    Sharry Ragu: I find I admire those who walk on their own, think outside the box.. :))
    Freud Jungsten: So is there a discussion topic today?
    Sharry Ragu: whatever comes to mind I believe??
    Freud Jungsten: What il you get to know me, I migth change your mind... smiles
    Sharry Ragu: lol.. up for the challenge ;)
    Freud Jungsten: My typing is way off this morning.
    Freud Jungsten: and I am still not good at spelling in English either.... but get good practice in SL.
    Bertram Jacobus: and i´m a bit exhausted now ... more then one and a half hour very nice chatting here ... sry but i need a break - would be great to meet ya all again ! ... :-)
    Freud Jungsten: Take care.
    Bertram Jacobus: "may all beings be happy plz" ...
    Sharry Ragu: Look forward to it Bertram, thank you :))
    Sharry Ragu: Namaste
    Freud Jungsten: do-na-da-go-hv-i
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - and ty for the companionship ! :-)

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