Page last modified 19:39, 24 Sep 2010 by Mickorod

The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard.

Wol Euler: tuesday 21 september, 1pm

Wol Euler: la la la.

Wol Euler: this may be another very quiet session, dear listener.

Wol Euler: jus' you and me so far.

Wol Euler: buona sera qt

Qt Core: 'sera wol

Wol Euler: how's life south of hte Alps?

Qt Core: nice today, sun and no work today ;-)

Wol Euler: very nice.

Qt Core: and north of them ?

Wol Euler: we've had two weeks of wonderful weather, warmish and sunny (20 to 22 degrees)

Wol Euler: but it sems to be ending this weekend, according to the forecast

Qt Core: here days are over 20 quite easily, night are getting colder

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: I noticed this morning how the sunrise time and position have changed since high summer

Wol Euler: dawn used to shine directly into my kitchen window, now it's nearly at right angles to the window

Qt Core: and in past weeks sunset got quite earlier

Qt Core: Hi Bruce

Wol Euler: hello bruce

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Qt and Wol.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: hello steve

Bruce Mowbray: Hello, steve.

Qt Core: hi stevenaia

stevenaia Michinaga: hello, isn't this the lucid dream workshop?

Wol Euler: no, htats at the kira cafe

Wol Euler: already going on

stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, nods

stevenaia Michinaga: I may pop in over there

Wol Euler: ok

stevenaia Michinaga: smiles

Qt Core: :-) have fun

Qt Core: hi ara

Wol Euler: hello ara

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Ara.

arabella Ella: Hiya!

Qt Core: i've started having more (and weirder) dreams in last months, but as i don't think dreams have a lot of meaning don't go at the dream meetings or try to discover hidden meanings

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: care to tell us about them anyway?

arabella Ella: why do you think that has happened Qt?

Wol Euler: define the wierdness, at least?

Qt Core: started recognizing people (usually they are all perfect strangers)

Qt Core: just to tell the biggest change

Wol Euler: that is actually suprising in reverse to me :) Almost everyone in my dreams is somebody I know well

Wol Euler: so I'm surprised that you dream about strangers

arabella Ella: mine are often about strangers

Qt Core: they aren't strangers, only not from rl ;)

Wol Euler: oh, so you dreamed in SL?

arabella Ella: but at times the strangers are familiar somehow but5 not identifiable

Qt Core: in the dream i may even know them

arabella Ella: exactly

Wol Euler: or you dreamed about somebody whom you don't know, except that in the dream you did?

Wol Euler: like an imaginary friend?

Qt Core: always different, and as usually there are quite few persons in my dream we can say that they are cameos

arabella Ella: so they could be friends, not friends, etc.

arabella Ella: but you get the feeling you know them somehow?

Qt Core: they may even not have a face, they are just the function/character they are playing in the dreams

Wol Euler nods.

arabella Ella: yes same with me

Wol Euler: a very game-like description :)

Wol Euler: though thinking of it, I've had people like that in dreams too

Wol Euler: as though the artist of the dream just sketched a pencil outline of them, whereas others were fully painted in detail

arabella Ella: yes the element of detail in dreams is weird, sometimes very specific at others very generic

Qt Core: or like in theatrical scripts, "the second soldier go to the window and get killed by a stray bullets", end of the second soldier part

Wol Euler nods.

arabella Ella: that sounds so macabre Qt :)

Wol Euler: do you dream mostly about people or about places? where is the majority of the detail found?

--BELL--

Qt Core: paople but just slightly more

Qt Core: but places/things are more detailed and "real"

Wol Euler nods.

arabella Ella: are they pleasant dreams or unpleasant ones Qt?

Qt Core: not unpleasant

arabella Ella: do you have any idea as to what causes them?

Qt Core: my opinion is that dreams just mix the "rubbish" of the daily activity of the brain

Wol Euler: I disagree with the word "rubbish", that is too negative for what I think is going on.

Qt Core: as my dream frequency and weird levels are qyuite directly connected to the activity levels of the day

arabella Ella: some ppl call that 'residue' which is the left overs of the day which impress on a conscious or sub conscious level

Zon Quar: hi all

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Zon.

Wol Euler: hello zon

arabella Ella: Hiya Zon

Qt Core: it was quoted as at the moment no better word come out, residue is good

Wol Euler: I think it's rather sorting and sifting and pattern-making

Wol Euler: residue is better, yes, no negative flavour

Zon Quar: talking of dreams ?

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Qt Core: i see them as the file part being moved while defragmenting the daily work area ;-)

Wol Euler: heheheh, nice analogy.

Wol Euler: I think there's some truth in that

arabella Ella: i like the idea of defrag too

Wol Euler: because there is often truth in dreams too.

Zon Quar: in dreams mind is working with unfinihed business

arabella Ella nods

Wol Euler: I have often dreamed of solutions to problems at work.

Qt Core: and when bigger things coems out that is the antivirus quarantine ;-)

Wol Euler: and understood things htat had puzzled me about people's relationships through dreaming about them

Wol Euler nods to Zon

arabella Ella: the problem with dreams being useful though at least IMHO is that they are so fleeting so short and often forgotten so easily

Qt Core: the ones i awoke from as i cant stand their weirdness i'm almost thankful for not remembering them ;-)

Zon Quar: i would like to see dreams, they r like free movies

Zon Quar: but cant remeber :(

arabella Ella: I rarely remember mine

Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Mick.

arabella Ella: except for the repetitive ones

Wol Euler: hello mick

arabella Ella: Hiya Mick

Mickorod Renard: hiyaaa

Qt Core: hi Mick

Wol Euler: I can always remember mine, at least for a half-hour or so. I try to write down the good ones

Mickorod Renard: has anyone claimed the log yet?

Wol Euler: yep

Mickorod Renard: oww

Mickorod Renard: kk

Zon Quar: hi, bye

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: bye zon

Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Zon.

Qt Core: by...ok

arabella Ella: do you ever go back to reading what you wrote about your dreams Wol?

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: it's tricky though, because I sometimes find myself remembering what I thought as I wrote it down, rahter than the dream itself

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: thats a good point Wol, I have heard it said that once we start putting words to our dreams we almost re create it

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: and the memory gets coloured by what we think about it

arabella Ella: remembering in itself is selective as it is conscious

Qt Core: sometimes when telling about dreams they got more detailed and sometimes i can't recognize what the added details are

Wol Euler: yes!

Wol Euler: the storytelling mind fills in details that might not actually have been there

Wol Euler: in order to join over the jump-cuts that were in the dream

arabella Ella: dreams dont always make rational sense yet when relating them we make them sound rational

Qt Core: like giving faces to the unnamed second soldier

Wol Euler: right

arabella Ella: :)

Wol Euler: or explaining the change from place A to place B by saying "we walked"

Wol Euler: whereas in fact there was no walking at all, just a change

Wol Euler smiles.

Qt Core: dreams are quite tolemaic, the world moves around us more than we being the ones that go around

Wol Euler laughs and claps her hands. Lovely.

arabella Ella smiles

Wol Euler: I was thinking that there's an analogy between characters in our dreams and who they represent for us, and SL

Wol Euler: the same real person may be represented in the dream by somebody or something other than themselves, but we know that it's really them

Wol Euler: rather like I know that Fael is the same Fael whichever av is online

arabella Ella: :)

Qt Core: how to understand that, especially if you dream unnamed/anonin people ?

Qt Core: whell, even more difficoult for known people to we choose them for a trait of their personality ?

Wol Euler: well, an example that I remembered, is that I once dreamed of a green-eyed red-haired girl, who was actually my sister's black lab dog.

Wol Euler: I saw the girl, but knew that she ws really the dog.

Qt Core: an animagus ? ;-)

Wol Euler: maybe

arabella Ella: how sweet Wol :)

Wol Euler: or just a different avatar of the same typist

Wol Euler: if you meet my other alts, you would see them type "htat" and "hte" too.

Qt Core: how you got that ?

Wol Euler: so you would know that they were me.

Wol Euler: qt, I just knew it somehow :)

Wol Euler: I could see that she was a proper girl, with all the girly attributes :) but I knew that her essence was a dog

Qt Core: she forgot to hide the tail, got it!

Wol Euler: heheheh

Qt Core: brb

arabella Ella: it is an intuitive feeling I guess

Wol Euler: or like solving a puzzle

Wol Euler: or discovering that something is a puzzle

Wol Euler: like finding a labyrinth design in the floor tiles of a cathedral

arabella Ella nods

Wol Euler: wonder why storm and pema just came on now... is there a kira meeting, maybe?

--BELL--

arabella Ella: maybe

Qt Core: back

arabella Ella: wb Qt

Wol Euler: wb

Qt Core: ty, now i'm stuck wondering why and who really was Michel Platini, one of the first recognizable people i dramed about and i'm not even a Juventus fan (but i still liked his style)

Wol Euler: heheheheh

arabella Ella: hey he used to play for France too

Wol Euler: Freud said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

arabella Ella: and he helped with France's racial protests

Wol Euler: aggers!

Agatha Macbeth: Ello elo ello

arabella Ella: could you say why he was relevant in your dream?

Mickorod Renard: sometimes they are a good smoke

arabella Ella: Hey Ags how r u?

Qt Core: hi Agatha

Mickorod Renard: Hi Ags

Agatha Macbeth: Fine thanks :)

Qt Core: well, i was somethink lile a PR manager and counsellor

Agatha Macbeth: Didn't see you sneak out Mick :p

Wol Euler: he#s been here quite a while :)

Mickorod Renard: I sneaked out earlier in case we needed a guardian here

Agatha Macbeth: I must have been in IM with someone ;-)

Wol Euler whistles and looks around.

Agatha Macbeth grins

Mickorod Renard: he he

Wol Euler: nice dress. I like the lace

arabella Ella: wow cool Qt if you were Platini's PR and counsellor!

Agatha Macbeth: Thanks :))

arabella Ella: am impressed

Agatha Macbeth: A little something I found earlier

Qt Core: it's a pity that D$ can be converted in R$ ;-)

arabella Ella: he he

arabella Ella: would be nice Qt

arabella Ella: very sweet and demure Ags

Agatha Macbeth: Aren't I always?

Mickorod Renard: I like that Ags, sort of victorian and modern

Wol Euler: yes, qt, our dreams of wealth would be quite handy in RL

Agatha Macbeth: Victorian and modern - I like that

arabella Ella: well ... ehrm ... normally you are more on the rocker style ... tday you remind me of the title of one of Madonna's tunes

Agatha Macbeth: Makes me think of maggie Thatcher

Wol Euler: O.O

Mickorod Renard: makes me think of betties tea rooms

Wol Euler: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Good old betty

Mickorod Renard: get your buns out

Agatha Macbeth: Not here Mick...

Agatha Macbeth: Lets find somewhere quiter

Agatha Macbeth: +e

Agatha Macbeth: Hello again Steve

stevenaia Michinaga: smiles

Qt Core: rehi steve

arabella Ella: Hiya Steve

stevenaia Michinaga: the dream is over

Agatha Macbeth: The nightmare has begun

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

stevenaia Michinaga: that's reality

Qt Core: you tricked us to sleak about dreams here too, steve ;-)

Qt Core: sleak=speak

Agatha Macbeth: Wol crashed again :(

arabella Ella: owwwww seems so

stevenaia Michinaga: smiles

Mickorod Renard: I dreampt something silly the other day

stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps I shhould have stayed

Agatha Macbeth: About buns?

Mickorod Renard: no,,in fact I am not going to say,,its too silly

Agatha Macbeth: Aww go on

Mickorod Renard: nope,,sorry

Agatha Macbeth: You ask him Ara :)

arabella Ella: i was gonna ask you for a dream Ags?

Agatha Macbeth: Me?

arabella Ella: when Mick says no ... he means it

arabella Ella: yes you

arabella Ella: got a tale to tell?

Agatha Macbeth: I never remember mine

arabella Ella: oh i meant a dream

Bruce Mowbray: wb, Wol.

Wol Euler: ty

Agatha Macbeth: wb Wol :)

arabella Ella: wb Wol

Qt Core: wb wol

Wol Euler: ty ty

arabella Ella: i rarely remember my dreams too

arabella Ella: so how was the dreams session tonight?

Wol Euler: ah, hello again steve

Agatha Macbeth: Quite good

Agatha Macbeth: Some new faces turning up recently

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Wol, Time for me to head home, see you soon

Wol Euler: awwww

Wol Euler: bye, take care

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: I need to go too.

Bruce Mowbray: Bye, and thanks everyone.

Agatha Macbeth: C ya Ruth

Mickorod Renard: hi Bruce

Wol Euler: bye bruce

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bruce

arabella Ella: bye Bruce

Qt Core: 'night steve and bruce

Mickorod Renard: bye bruce

Mickorod Renard: Bruce was very quiet,,is he ok?

Wol Euler: hmmmmmmm

Wol Euler: you#re right. We shuould have asked

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, you don't associate Bruce with 'quiet' normally

arabella Ella: we should yes ... a bit late now

Mickorod Renard: I sent him an im,,but he is offline now

Agatha Macbeth: Bummer

Wol Euler: I hope he's OK

Agatha Macbeth: Bruce will bounce back

Agatha Macbeth: And Blub

Mickorod Renard: yes, poor blub

Mickorod Renard: did Bruce say anything tonite?

Wol Euler: my dears, I'm going to log off now. I hope to get last night's poetry session posted tonight

Mickorod Renard: are u ok with tonite log?

arabella Ella: good night Wol

Mickorod Renard: I can take it

Qt Core: 'night wol

Mickorod Renard: nite wol

Wol Euler: you can take it if you'd like, Mick. I'll cover it otherwise, no problem

Mickorod Renard: x

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Wol, take care

Mickorod Renard: how do i get it?

Wol Euler: just clikc on the thing and claim the session, as usual

Wol Euler: there :)

Agatha Macbeth: Yay

Mickorod Renard: ok,,got it

Wol Euler: goodnight, take care.

Mickorod Renard: nite nite

arabella Ella: i must go ttoo

arabella Ella: good night everyone!

Mickorod Renard: and me

Agatha Macbeth: Guess that's it then...

Mickorod Renard: nite Ara

Qt Core: 'night ara

Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now

Qt Core: bye agatha

Mickorod Renard: bye Qt

Mickorod Renard: take care

Qt Core: bye Mick

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