2010.09.21 13:00 - Dreamy session at Pab

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard.


    Wol Euler: tuesday 21 september, 1pm
    Wol Euler: la la la.
    Wol Euler: this may be another very quiet session, dear listener.
    Wol Euler: jus' you and me so far.
    Wol Euler: buona sera qt
    Qt Core: 'sera wol
    Wol Euler: how's life south of hte Alps?
    Qt Core: nice today, sun and no work today ;-)
    Wol Euler: very nice.
    Qt Core: and north of them ?
    Wol Euler: we've had two weeks of wonderful weather, warmish and sunny (20 to 22 degrees)
    Wol Euler: but it sems to be ending this weekend, according to the forecast
    Qt Core: here days are over 20 quite easily, night are getting colder
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: I noticed this morning how the sunrise time and position have changed since high summer
    Wol Euler: dawn used to shine directly into my kitchen window, now it's nearly at right angles to the window
    Qt Core: and in past weeks sunset got quite earlier
    Qt Core: Hi Bruce
    Wol Euler: hello bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Qt and Wol.
    Wol Euler: hello steve
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, steve.
    Qt Core: hi stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello, isn't this the lucid dream workshop?
    Wol Euler: no, htats at the kira cafe
    Wol Euler: already going on
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: I may pop in over there
    Wol Euler: ok
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Qt Core: :-) have fun
    Qt Core: hi ara
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Ara.
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Qt Core: i've started having more (and weirder) dreams in last months, but as i don't think dreams have a lot of meaning don't go at the dream meetings or try to discover hidden meanings
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: care to tell us about them anyway?
    arabella Ella: why do you think that has happened Qt?
    Wol Euler: define the wierdness, at least?
    Qt Core: started recognizing people (usually they are all perfect strangers)
    Qt Core: just to tell the biggest change
    Wol Euler: that is actually suprising in reverse to me :) Almost everyone in my dreams is somebody I know well
    Wol Euler: so I'm surprised that you dream about strangers
    arabella Ella: mine are often about strangers
    Qt Core: they aren't strangers, only not from rl ;)
    Wol Euler: oh, so you dreamed in SL?
    arabella Ella: but at times the strangers are familiar somehow but5 not identifiable
    Qt Core: in the dream i may even know them
    arabella Ella: exactly
    Wol Euler: or you dreamed about somebody whom you don't know, except that in the dream you did?
    Wol Euler: like an imaginary friend?
    Qt Core: always different, and as usually there are quite few persons in my dream we can say that they are cameos
    arabella Ella: so they could be friends, not friends, etc.
    arabella Ella: but you get the feeling you know them somehow?
    Qt Core: they may even not have a face, they are just the function/character they are playing in the dreams
    Wol Euler nods.
    arabella Ella: yes same with me
    Wol Euler: a very game-like description :)
    Wol Euler: though thinking of it, I've had people like that in dreams too
    Wol Euler: as though the artist of the dream just sketched a pencil outline of them, whereas others were fully painted in detail
    arabella Ella: yes the element of detail in dreams is weird, sometimes very specific at others very generic
    Qt Core: or like in theatrical scripts, "the second soldier go to the window and get killed by a stray bullets", end of the second soldier part
    Wol Euler nods.
    arabella Ella: that sounds so macabre Qt :)
    Wol Euler: do you dream mostly about people or about places? where is the majority of the detail found?
    Qt Core: paople but just slightly more
    Qt Core: but places/things are more detailed and "real"
    Wol Euler nods.
    arabella Ella: are they pleasant dreams or unpleasant ones Qt?
    Qt Core: not unpleasant
    arabella Ella: do you have any idea as to what causes them?
    Qt Core: my opinion is that dreams just mix the "rubbish" of the daily activity of the brain
    Wol Euler: I disagree with the word "rubbish", that is too negative for what I think is going on.
    Qt Core: as my dream frequency and weird levels are qyuite directly connected to the activity levels of the day
    arabella Ella: some ppl call that 'residue' which is the left overs of the day which impress on a conscious or sub conscious level
    Zon Quar: hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Zon.
    Wol Euler: hello zon
    arabella Ella: Hiya Zon
    Qt Core: it was quoted as at the moment no better word come out, residue is good
    Wol Euler: I think it's rather sorting and sifting and pattern-making
    Wol Euler: residue is better, yes, no negative flavour
    Zon Quar: talking of dreams ?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Qt Core: i see them as the file part being moved while defragmenting the daily work area ;-)
    Wol Euler: heheheh, nice analogy.
    Wol Euler: I think there's some truth in that
    arabella Ella: i like the idea of defrag too
    Wol Euler: because there is often truth in dreams too.
    Zon Quar: in dreams mind is working with unfinihed business
    arabella Ella nods
    Wol Euler: I have often dreamed of solutions to problems at work.
    Qt Core: and when bigger things coems out that is the antivirus quarantine ;-)
    Wol Euler: and understood things htat had puzzled me about people's relationships through dreaming about them
    Wol Euler nods to Zon
    arabella Ella: the problem with dreams being useful though at least IMHO is that they are so fleeting so short and often forgotten so easily
    Qt Core: the ones i awoke from as i cant stand their weirdness i'm almost thankful for not remembering them ;-)
    Zon Quar: i would like to see dreams, they r like free movies
    Zon Quar: but cant remeber :(
    arabella Ella: I rarely remember mine
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Mick.
    arabella Ella: except for the repetitive ones
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
    Mickorod Renard: hiyaaa
    Qt Core: hi Mick
    Wol Euler: I can always remember mine, at least for a half-hour or so. I try to write down the good ones
    Mickorod Renard: has anyone claimed the log yet?
    Wol Euler: yep
    Mickorod Renard: oww
    Mickorod Renard: kk
    Zon Quar: hi, bye
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: bye zon
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Zon.
    Qt Core: by...ok
    arabella Ella: do you ever go back to reading what you wrote about your dreams Wol?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: it's tricky though, because I sometimes find myself remembering what I thought as I wrote it down, rahter than the dream itself
    Mickorod Renard: thats a good point Wol, I have heard it said that once we start putting words to our dreams we almost re create it
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: and the memory gets coloured by what we think about it
    arabella Ella: remembering in itself is selective as it is conscious
    Qt Core: sometimes when telling about dreams they got more detailed and sometimes i can't recognize what the added details are
    Wol Euler: yes!
    Wol Euler: the storytelling mind fills in details that might not actually have been there
    Wol Euler: in order to join over the jump-cuts that were in the dream
    arabella Ella: dreams dont always make rational sense yet when relating them we make them sound rational
    Qt Core: like giving faces to the unnamed second soldier
    Wol Euler: right
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: or explaining the change from place A to place B by saying "we walked"
    Wol Euler: whereas in fact there was no walking at all, just a change
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Qt Core: dreams are quite tolemaic, the world moves around us more than we being the ones that go around
    Wol Euler laughs and claps her hands. Lovely.
    arabella Ella smiles
    Wol Euler: I was thinking that there's an analogy between characters in our dreams and who they represent for us, and SL
    Wol Euler: the same real person may be represented in the dream by somebody or something other than themselves, but we know that it's really them
    Wol Euler: rather like I know that Fael is the same Fael whichever av is online
    arabella Ella: :)
    Qt Core: how to understand that, especially if you dream unnamed/anonin people ?
    Qt Core: whell, even more difficoult for known people to we choose them for a trait of their personality ?
    Wol Euler: well, an example that I remembered, is that I once dreamed of a green-eyed red-haired girl, who was actually my sister's black lab dog.
    Wol Euler: I saw the girl, but knew that she ws really the dog.
    Qt Core: an animagus ? ;-)
    Wol Euler: maybe
    arabella Ella: how sweet Wol :)
    Wol Euler: or just a different avatar of the same typist
    Wol Euler: if you meet my other alts, you would see them type "htat" and "hte" too.
    Qt Core: how you got that ?
    Wol Euler: so you would know that they were me.
    Wol Euler: qt, I just knew it somehow :)
    Wol Euler: I could see that she was a proper girl, with all the girly attributes :) but I knew that her essence was a dog
    Qt Core: she forgot to hide the tail, got it!
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Qt Core: brb
    arabella Ella: it is an intuitive feeling I guess
    Wol Euler: or like solving a puzzle
    Wol Euler: or discovering that something is a puzzle
    Wol Euler: like finding a labyrinth design in the floor tiles of a cathedral
    arabella Ella nods
    Wol Euler: wonder why storm and pema just came on now... is there a kira meeting, maybe?
    arabella Ella: maybe
    Qt Core: back
    arabella Ella: wb Qt
    Wol Euler: wb
    Qt Core: ty, now i'm stuck wondering why and who really was Michel Platini, one of the first recognizable people i dramed about and i'm not even a Juventus fan (but i still liked his style)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    arabella Ella: hey he used to play for France too
    Wol Euler: Freud said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"
    arabella Ella: and he helped with France's racial protests
    Wol Euler: aggers!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ello elo ello
    arabella Ella: could you say why he was relevant in your dream?
    Mickorod Renard: sometimes they are a good smoke
    arabella Ella: Hey Ags how r u?
    Qt Core: hi Agatha
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ags
    Agatha Macbeth: Fine thanks :)
    Qt Core: well, i was somethink lile a PR manager and counsellor
    Agatha Macbeth: Didn't see you sneak out Mick :p
    Wol Euler: he#s been here quite a while :)
    Mickorod Renard: I sneaked out earlier in case we needed a guardian here
    Agatha Macbeth: I must have been in IM with someone ;-)
    Wol Euler whistles and looks around.
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Wol Euler: nice dress. I like the lace
    arabella Ella: wow cool Qt if you were Platini's PR and counsellor!
    Agatha Macbeth: Thanks :))
    arabella Ella: am impressed
    Agatha Macbeth: A little something I found earlier
    Qt Core: it's a pity that D$ can be converted in R$ ;-)
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: would be nice Qt
    arabella Ella: very sweet and demure Ags
    Agatha Macbeth: Aren't I always?
    Mickorod Renard: I like that Ags, sort of victorian and modern
    Wol Euler: yes, qt, our dreams of wealth would be quite handy in RL
    Agatha Macbeth: Victorian and modern - I like that
    arabella Ella: well ... ehrm ... normally you are more on the rocker style ... tday you remind me of the title of one of Madonna's tunes
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes me think of maggie Thatcher
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Mickorod Renard: makes me think of betties tea rooms
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Good old betty
    Mickorod Renard: get your buns out
    Agatha Macbeth: Not here Mick...
    Agatha Macbeth: Lets find somewhere quiter
    Agatha Macbeth: +e
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello again Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Qt Core: rehi steve
    arabella Ella: Hiya Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: the dream is over
    Agatha Macbeth: The nightmare has begun
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: that's reality
    Qt Core: you tricked us to sleak about dreams here too, steve ;-)
    Qt Core: sleak=speak
    Agatha Macbeth: Wol crashed again :(
    arabella Ella: owwwww seems so
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Mickorod Renard: I dreampt something silly the other day
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps I shhould have stayed
    Agatha Macbeth: About buns?
    Mickorod Renard: no,,in fact I am not going to say,,its too silly
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww go on
    Mickorod Renard: nope,,sorry
    Agatha Macbeth: You ask him Ara :)
    arabella Ella: i was gonna ask you for a dream Ags?
    Agatha Macbeth: Me?
    arabella Ella: when Mick says no ... he means it
    arabella Ella: yes you
    arabella Ella: got a tale to tell?
    Agatha Macbeth: I never remember mine
    arabella Ella: oh i meant a dream
    Bruce Mowbray: wb, Wol.
    Wol Euler: ty
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Wol :)
    arabella Ella: wb Wol
    Qt Core: wb wol
    Wol Euler: ty ty
    arabella Ella: i rarely remember my dreams too
    arabella Ella: so how was the dreams session tonight?
    Wol Euler: ah, hello again steve
    Agatha Macbeth: Quite good
    Agatha Macbeth: Some new faces turning up recently
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Wol, Time for me to head home, see you soon
    Wol Euler: awwww
    Wol Euler: bye, take care
    Bruce Mowbray: I need to go too.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, and thanks everyone.
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Ruth
    Mickorod Renard: hi Bruce
    Wol Euler: bye bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bruce
    arabella Ella: bye Bruce
    Qt Core: 'night steve and bruce
    Mickorod Renard: bye bruce
    Mickorod Renard: Bruce was very quiet,,is he ok?
    Wol Euler: hmmmmmmm
    Wol Euler: you#re right. We shuould have asked
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, you don't associate Bruce with 'quiet' normally
    arabella Ella: we should yes ... a bit late now
    Mickorod Renard: I sent him an im,,but he is offline now
    Agatha Macbeth: Bummer
    Wol Euler: I hope he's OK
    Agatha Macbeth: Bruce will bounce back
    Agatha Macbeth: And Blub
    Mickorod Renard: yes, poor blub
    Mickorod Renard: did Bruce say anything tonite?
    Wol Euler: my dears, I'm going to log off now. I hope to get last night's poetry session posted tonight
    Mickorod Renard: are u ok with tonite log?
    arabella Ella: good night Wol
    Mickorod Renard: I can take it
    Qt Core: 'night wol
    Mickorod Renard: nite wol
    Wol Euler: you can take it if you'd like, Mick. I'll cover it otherwise, no problem
    Mickorod Renard: x
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Wol, take care
    Mickorod Renard: how do i get it?
    Wol Euler: just clikc on the thing and claim the session, as usual
    Wol Euler: there :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,got it
    Wol Euler: goodnight, take care.
    Mickorod Renard: nite nite
    arabella Ella: i must go ttoo
    arabella Ella: good night everyone!
    Mickorod Renard: and me
    Agatha Macbeth: Guess that's it then...
    Mickorod Renard: nite Ara
    Qt Core: 'night ara
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now
    Qt Core: bye agatha
    Mickorod Renard: bye Qt
    Mickorod Renard: take care
    Qt Core: bye Mick


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