2010.09.24 13:00 - abandonment of philosophy

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Agatha Macbeth: Greetings :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Our fred?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, Alfred
    Zen Arado: deathly silence
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Totenstille
    Agatha Macbeth: Echt
    Eden Haiku: Did you know that Zen is going to abandon philosophy?
    Agatha Macbeth: Just sorting my new email with da fountain :)
    Eden Haiku: He just declared that on voice and the way he said that was utterly funny.
    Wol Euler: evening all
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay! It worked
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Woliphant :)))
    Zen Arado: evening Wol
    Eden Haiku: Oh yes, sorry about that Aga. You lost you previous email
    Agatha Macbeth: No worries...
    Eden Haiku: Hi Wol!
    Agatha Macbeth: This one looks better already
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi wol
    Eden Haiku: Yes, very chic new email address :) Sophisticated one !
    Wol Euler: "azire"?
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless you
    Wol Euler: the motto on your blouse
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it's from Chilbo
    Agatha Macbeth: Picked it up free
    Wol Euler: okaaay
    Agatha Macbeth: Free is good :-)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eden Haiku: "/8 Zen is about to abandon philosophy! "
    Agatha Macbeth: He is?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: For art?
    Eden Haiku: Was trying to wear it as an overtext...
    Agatha Macbeth: Might be a bit long
    Wol Euler: try it without quotes
    Wol Euler: there.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, very philosophical
    Zen Arado: philosophy has abandoned me more like
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Wol Euler: oh, how sad.
    Eden Haiku: Is anyone in viewer 1?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the public session in SL are often not very philosophical either
    Zen Arado: :(
    Zen Arado: an orphaned philosopher
    Agatha Macbeth: Does Viewer1 still work?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: v2 is still in beta
    Zen Arado: with no -isms to fall back on
    Agatha Macbeth: And it shows
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eden Haiku: Yes, but invemntory is not at the bottom right anymore. Had to go thru "show" menu...
    Zen Arado: can't use big words that no o ne understands any more :(
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: You can too
    Zen Arado: forgotten thm anyway :)
    Eden Haiku: h ah, that's the downside. What is the upside of it though Zen?
    Agatha Macbeth: It's not so much understanding as pronouncing some of them
    Zen Arado: have to clarify the downside first EDen
    Eden Haiku: hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: You look very pink Edie
    Zen Arado: upside is I don't have to bother with those long debates
    Wol Euler: erm, I realize that I came in late, so it's my own fault that I don't understand, but: what's happened, Zen?
    Zen Arado: I can throw out my phenomenology books Yay :)
    Eden Haiku: Sun is back here. Have to go now. We are going downtown to get back my stolen wallet from the Good Samaritan that found it.
    Wol Euler: oh wow!
    Wol Euler: that's great, eden.
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Eden Haiku: Minus all the money...
    Zen Arado: bye Eden
    Agatha Macbeth: Best of luck Edie
    Eden Haiku: cancelled all the ID cards, credits and so on. But happy to get my drievrs license and health insurance cards,
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eden Haiku: Soory to speak on the silence: ) Have a great week end everyone! Thank you for the voice session Yaku. It was comforting.
    Zen Arado: nothing happened Wol - I went to a meeting recently and realised I don't like philosophy any more
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Zen Arado: take care Eden
    Wol Euler: you call that "nothing"?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care eden
    Wol Euler: it sounds prety drastic tome
    Wol Euler: *to me
    Agatha Macbeth: He's being very philosophical about it tho ;-)
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Zen Arado: I was so keen on philosophy at on etime
    Zen Arado: but have been growing ever more disillusioned
    Wol Euler: :(
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Love of Wisdom'
    Zen Arado: supposedly
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually, pab is philosophy for me too, pab is about how ppl try to preserve their minds fresh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how to drop things out of our mind
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what do we really need
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i am stuck with most things right now
    Agatha Macbeth: That's a good one Yaku: 'What we really need'
    Zen Arado: philosophy just adds more things into your mind - ad infinitum
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and my hope is to regain more freshness and ability to ,,communicate" instances of thought
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s about to preserve a serious community which is open even to discuss matters of time and reality
    Agatha Macbeth: And maybe find your other shoe?
    Zen Arado: use it to gain a way to think more clearly and to spot bad arguments - then dump it
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: I always thought of it as a tool, actually.
    Agatha Macbeth: Whenever i dump something it always bounces back
    Wol Euler: pretty useful in limited ways in particular circumstances
    Zen Arado: maybe it is how it is done
    Wol Euler: like Philips-headed screwdrivesr. Very useful, but you don't want to carry one around all the time.
    Zen Arado: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least not concously
    Agatha Macbeth: But can you say the same about a boy scout knife?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: concious
    Zen Arado: but can you ever unlearn somethiing?
    Agatha Macbeth: Unlearn - there's an interesting concept
    Zen Arado: what's that saying " A little learning is a dangerous thing"
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ara :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Zen Arado: Hi Ara
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Zen Arado: Hi MIck
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Agatha Macbeth: And hello Mick :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and mick
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: have we lost the pagoda or is it my not rezzing?
    Wol Euler: it's your rezzing
    Agatha Macbeth: I guess the latter Ara
    arabella Ella: ah ... ok ... ehrm ... i hope everything else is ok
    arabella Ella: as i landed here which is weird ... not outside seating area
    Agatha Macbeth: Well you look great :)
    Mickorod Renard: everything is fine with me
    arabella Ella: thanks Ags!
    arabella Ella: you are a darling :)
    Agatha Macbeth: This is true...
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: ehrm ... no reason for me to lie
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed not
    arabella Ella: Zen what happened to your relationship with philosophy?
    arabella Ella: has it turned sour?
    Agatha Macbeth: It seems to be in flux
    Zen Arado: I guess so :(
    Zen Arado: toned it down for Ara :)
    arabella Ella: i noticed
    arabella Ella: altho you removed the bit i enjoyed reading
    Wol Euler: perhaps you're having a bad day? Just let it float past you and see where you end up
    arabella Ella: that you still like philosophers
    Zen Arado: oh I still like philosophers
    Agatha Macbeth: As the captain of the titanic said about the iceberg
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: exactly.
    Zen Arado: most of them anyway
    arabella Ella: should hope so
    Wol Euler: but people forget that there were nearly a dozen ships within a hundred miles of that iceberg. only one of htem hit it
    Zen Arado: when I can understand them :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Clumsy buggers
    Wol Euler: bad judgement on the part of the captain, driven by commercial pressures
    Agatha Macbeth: Captain Smith was it not?
    Zen Arado: we are all drieven by commercial pressures
    Wol Euler: he could have just stopped his engines and drifted overnight -- yes it was -- as the Carpatha did.
    Agatha Macbeth: Still no excuse for not having enough lifeboats
    Wol Euler: they would have lived, but they'd ahve been a day late in New York, and they would all have been fired.
    Zen Arado: but the ship was unsinkable
    Agatha Macbeth: Out of a job, but still breathing
    Wol Euler: a hard call to make :)
    Zen Arado: why would you need lifeboats?
    Wol Euler: exactly, hzen.
    Agatha Macbeth: Er, to survive?
    Wol Euler: we have lifeboats now because of the titanic.
    Wol Euler: it was absolutely standard before then that there were not enough
    Agatha Macbeth: My God
    Wol Euler: sure, the titanic was not a bad example of lifeboating.
    Wol Euler: it was absolutely standard
    Agatha Macbeth: I wonder if the band really did keep on playing as the ship went down?
    Wol Euler: there are conflicting stories about that :)
    Zen Arado: /Ontologically absent
    Wol Euler: it makes a good story though, so it endures
    arabella Ella: no one to tell the tale
    Agatha Macbeth: I always thought it sounded somewhat apocryphal
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is truth more important then a good myth ?
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Don't let the truth stand in the way of a good story'
    arabella Ella: myths are lovely and they existed since time immemorial
    Wol Euler: they were certainly playing in the period between hitting hte iceberg and abandoning ship
    Wol Euler: which was nearly two hours IIRC
    Zen Arado: it made the movie better anyway
    Agatha Macbeth: Jack and Rose
    Wol Euler: yaku, I'm not sure of the answer to that.
    Wol Euler: just because something is true doesn't mean you ahve to say it.
    Zen Arado: what is truth?
    arabella Ella: there is no definite answer to Yaku's question, only subjective individual preference
    Zen Arado: as Pontius PIlate said
    arabella Ella: ah Zen I wish i knew!
    Wol Euler: and circumstances, ara.
    Agatha Macbeth: Now you're being philosophical Zen ;-)
    Wol Euler: heheh!
    arabella Ella nods to Wol
    Zen Arado: no - biblical :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what´s true about socrates and what´s just made up by plato
    Agatha Macbeth: As well
    Agatha Macbeth: What about Pythagoras?
    arabella Ella: and Hypatia?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Zen Arado: who?
    arabella Ella: She is alleged to be a female philosopher in the time of the Romans in Alexandria and the star of the movie Agora
    arabella Ella: (which incidentally was filmed in Malta)
    Zen Arado: ah ok
    arabella Ella: (and which is full of Maltese accents too)
    Agatha Macbeth: Was she the one who was murdered?
    arabella Ella: (but not a very good movie ... regretfully)
    arabella Ella: yes she was murdered
    arabella Ella: and she was a free thinker
    Mickorod Renard: I didnt know the Romans made films
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, I remember
    arabella Ella: they did you know Mick
    arabella Ella: quite a few
    arabella Ella: the Romans did Ben Hur
    Zen Arado: I like Socrates
    Mickorod Renard: oh yea
    arabella Ella: and the Ten Commandments
    arabella Ella: The Robe
    arabella Ella: and more
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Wol :)
    Wol Euler: ty
    arabella Ella: oh Wol wb
    Agatha Macbeth: Liked ben, didn't think much of Hur
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler groans.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mort Sahl...
    arabella Ella: ?
    Agatha Macbeth: (I think)
    arabella Ella: what does that mean Ags?
    Agatha Macbeth: What?
    Agatha Macbeth: Now I'm lost
    Mickorod Renard: talking about conspiracy theories,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Agatha Macbeth: Were we?
    Wol Euler: I think Ara was asking waht "Mort Sahl means"
    Mickorod Renard: I see the Iranians are jumping on the 9;11 conspiracy now
    Agatha Macbeth: He's a comedian, no?
    arabella Ella: brb
    Wol Euler: if you say so :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I thinks so anyway
    Zen Arado: what are they saying Mick?
    Agatha Macbeth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mort_Sahl
    Mickorod Renard: I believe the PM or president of Iran claimed that it was an american made issue to ramp up favour for pro israel security
    Agatha Macbeth: Well he says all kinds of daft things
    Zen Arado: what was ?
    Mickorod Renard: this was in the un session,,the US delegation walked out
    Wol Euler puts her fingers in her ears and sings. La la la la la I can't hear you.
    Wol Euler: one has to ask wehther he is pschotically delusional or just very cynical and clever.
    Agatha Macbeth: A bit like david icke
    arabella Ella: back ... apologies ... raining bucketfuls and had to close appartment and got flooded and soaked!
    Zen Arado: 9/11 was just an issue?
    Agatha Macbeth: Aw, no Ara
    Wol Euler: eeeeep
    Zen Arado: bad luck Ara
    Agatha Macbeth: We had a beaut of a thunderstorm here last night
    arabella Ella: and so sudden ...terrible
    arabella Ella: at least six inches of water on my roof which i had to wade through
    Wol Euler: wow!
    Mickorod Renard: dont quote me Zen, i was just filling in with my words as I cannot remember what they said,,it was proberbly in some forien language anyway
    Agatha Macbeth: The penalties of flat roofs
    arabella Ella: :)
    Zen Arado: np Mick
    arabella Ella: the advantages outweigh the penalties :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully...
    Zen Arado: I only half listen to the News too
    Agatha Macbeth: Good for fiddlers
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Agatha Macbeth: Aw shucks, we talked through the bell again
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: that is an excellent idea Ags, would replace your gnomes in gardens ... we should have fiddlers in our roof gardens here ... new business initiative!
    Zen Arado: tsch tsch
    Agatha Macbeth: Gnome on the roof
    Wol Euler: if I were a rich man ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Gnome is where the heart is
    Zen Arado: groans twice :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: President Barack Obama has condemned as "offensive" and "hateful" the suggestion of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that the September 11 attacks might have been orchestrated by the US government. The US president's remarks in an interview with BBC Persian Television came a day after the Iranian leader included the incendiary comment in his speech to the UN General Assembly. It prompted a walkout by the US delegation and others.
    arabella Ella: Fiddlers would definitely look much more attractive
    arabella Ella: especially female ones :)
    Agatha Macbeth: People have been saying that for nearly ten years now tho Mick
    Zen Arado: that's unbelievable Mick!
    Wol Euler: it was offensive hateful bullshit ten years ago too :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (Including the aforementioned Mr Icke)
    Mickorod Renard: but its supposed to be opening up another investigation
    Agatha Macbeth: They said similar things about the 7/7 bombings in the UK
    Wol Euler shakes her head.
    Wol Euler: some people clearly don't have enough work to do
    Zen Arado: don't forget JFK
    Agatha Macbeth: Or like to make money from selling books?
    Agatha Macbeth: (Oooh how cynical)
    Wol Euler: right! JKF orchestrated the Twin Towers attack.
    Agatha Macbeth: He did?
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: sure!
    Zen Arado: from the grassy knoll
    Wol Euler: never mind that they were built five years after he died.
    Agatha Macbeth: Not the 12 foot reptiles or the freemasons then?
    Wol Euler: JKF was a freemason
    Mickorod Renard: with the help of Elvis no doubt
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Zen Arado: he was a womaniser
    Agatha Macbeth: Elvis?
    Wol Euler: well, yes, that is apparently true
    arabella Ella: most ppl in power are
    Agatha Macbeth: Even the women ;-)
    Zen Arado: just more opportunity I suspect
    Zen Arado: the charisma of power
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if obama will get a monica lewinsky?
    Wol Euler: put it this way: You're Monica Lewinsky and it's Friday evening. Who are you going to show your thong to? The POTUS or the janitor?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Zen Arado: your thong?
    arabella Ella giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: The thong is ended but the malady lingers on
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: underwear that you could floss your teeth with, Zen :)
    Zen Arado: think Monica had a hand on things too
    Wol Euler: nice one, aggers.
    Agatha Macbeth tries to picture zen's thong
    Zen Arado: it's the thinger not the thong
    Wol Euler: there are guy thongs too, I'm sad to say.
    arabella Ella nods
    arabella Ella: have you never seen one Ags?
    Agatha Macbeth: Let me think...
    Mickorod Renard: someone suggested they are butt floss
    Zen Arado: sounds uncomfortable
    Wol Euler: exactly.
    Agatha Macbeth: I prefer candy floss
    Mickorod Renard: cant say who told me,,top secret
    Agatha Macbeth: The president of Iran?
    Mickorod Renard: shhhh
    arabella Ella: Obama?
    Agatha Macbeth: Elvis?
    arabella Ella: JFK?
    arabella Ella: Monica!
    Mickorod Renard: not tellin
    Agatha Macbeth: Philip Linden?
    Wol Euler: awwww
    arabella Ella: nice philosophical discussion this is turning out to be
    arabella Ella: will definitely convince Zen
    Mickorod Renard: you could tickle me all night and i wouldnt say
    Zen Arado: glad I gave it up
    arabella Ella: about philosophy
    Agatha Macbeth: Where's the lifeboat?
    Zen Arado: will jump in it in a minute
    Wol Euler: yaku's asleep in it
    arabella Ella: did you give up candy floss too Zen?
    Agatha Macbeth: Most probably
    Wol Euler: too sticky, hard to walk properly
    Agatha Macbeth: Ick
    Zen Arado: never liked that confection much
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Zen Arado: was never popular in Ireland
    arabella Ella: ah
    Wol Euler: ah, dear me, a fine Friday this hsa turned out to bbe
    Wol Euler: we only need one more thing
    Wol Euler: an
    arabella Ella: very popular here when we celebrate our fiestas
    Zen Arado: we have Dulce and Yellowman
    Mickorod Renard: thats because you are so hairy over there
    Wol Euler: onigokko
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hairy over where?
    Mickorod Renard: down there
    arabella Ella: Male facial hair is not conducive to enjoying candy floss i guess
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Wol Euler: australia?
    Agatha Macbeth: Kangaroo juice
    Wol Euler: stop
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway....
    arabella Ella: yes Ags?
    arabella Ella: before i leave ... am listening ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, don't get your feet wet!
    arabella Ella: oh no Zen's title has changed yet again
    Zen Arado: you found a lifeboat Ara?
    Wol Euler: 'night ara, enjoy the weekend.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mind the fiddler
    arabella Ella: i will need one soon Zen maybe i could borrow yours please?
    Zen Arado: yes women and children first
    arabella Ella: oh that is so sweet of you thanks!
    arabella Ella: gtg good night everyone!
    Agatha Macbeth waves
    Zen Arado: nite Ara
    Mickorod Renard: nite ara,,watch out for floating cacti
    Wol Euler: I should go too, I've got to be up at 7am to catch a train
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i have to go too
    Wol Euler: it was quite enchanting to philosophize wth you all
    Zen Arado: I get up at 7.30 every morning
    Mickorod Renard: have a nice trip wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Looks like that's it then
    Wol Euler: good night, god bless, don't let the freemasons bite.
    Zen Arado: oh - was that philosophy?
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Elvis
    Zen Arado: nite Wol
    Wol Euler: elvis is a freemason
    Agatha Macbeth sighs and waves
    Mickorod Renard: c u guys,,thanks for a lovely evening
    Zen Arado: nite Mick
    Yakuzza Lethecus: too late :(
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone
    Zen Arado: I better go too - the exodus is on
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sleep well zen
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care
    Zen Arado: to the lifeboats
    Zen Arado: bye all

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