2010.09.30 01:00 - Art and Cosmopolitanism

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado. Present were Baeric Constantine, Calvino Rabeni. Cosmicflower Ushinawa, Karencreek Melson, Sharry Ragu and myself.

    Text vs voice chat:

    Zen Arado: Hi Karen
    Zen Arado: have a seat
    Zen Arado: have you been here before?
    Karencreek Melson: thx
    Karencreek Melson: no
    Zen Arado: well - we have to ask you if you mind that the sessions are recorded?
    Karencreek Melson: I dont mind
    Karencreek Melson: dont use voice chat
    Zen Arado: no - we don't use voice chat in these sessions
    Karencreek Melson: text chat I am true to myself in
    Zen Arado: interesting
    Zen Arado: maybe we can express things better in text
    Karencreek Melson: sometimes
    Karencreek Melson: trains of thought can flow
    Zen Arado: we have more time to think about what we are saying perhaps
    Karencreek Melson: if one let them
    Karencreek Melson: not me
    Karencreek Melson: I type as I think
    Zen Arado: yes
    Karencreek Melson: trust my being
    Zen Arado: depends how good you are at typing though :)
    Karencreek Melson: hehe
    Zen Arado: mine is pretty bad :)
    Zen Arado: and slow
    Karencreek Melson: I dont think about it
    Karencreek Melson: no need to be perfect
    Zen Arado: true
    Karencreek Melson: most folks automaticlly fill in missing things
    Zen Arado: sometimes I go to discussion groups where some can type very fast
    Zen Arado: and I get drowned out
    Zen Arado: if you know what I mean
    Karencreek Melson: grins
    Karencreek Melson: yes
    Zen Arado: in the time it takes me to type a short sentence they produce a whole paragraph
    Karencreek Melson: hehe
    Karencreek Melson: I just type
    Karencreek Melson: lines
    Karencreek Melson: dont worry
    Zen Arado: and by the time I read it they have typed another
    Karencreek Melson: about the lenght
    Karencreek Melson: try typing as if you were speaking
    Zen Arado: yes - think you are right
    Karencreek Melson: one piece after another
    Karencreek Melson: holding it
    Karencreek Melson: is trying
    Karencreek Melson: not being in my experience
    Karencreek Melson: letting it fly
    Karencreek Melson: takes one
    Karencreek Melson: to where they want
    Karencreek Melson: to go
    Karencreek Melson: but dont really know
    Karencreek Melson: that is where they
    Karencreek Melson: want to be
    Karencreek Melson: ã‹¡
    Zen Arado: we have a Wiki for this group
    Zen Arado: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
    Zen Arado: tells you what we are about
    Zen Arado: we have a little period of silence every 15 mins
    Zen Arado: to kind of come back to yourself

    Alone with others:

    Karencreek Melson: smiles
    Karencreek Melson: I am at one with my land
    Karencreek Melson: spend many hours in quietness
    Karencreek Melson: there
    Karencreek Melson: alone or with company
    Zen Arado: in SL?
    Karencreek Melson: yes
    Zen Arado: I should do that more often
    Karencreek Melson: smiles
    Karencreek Melson: my avatar is actually the whole sim
    Zen Arado: I always seem to come here only to be in groups
    Karencreek Melson: really at one with my land
    Karencreek Melson: its embrace is my embrace
    Karencreek Melson: I tell folks
    Karencreek Melson: and their share their elation of what they find
    Karencreek Melson: with me
    Zen Arado: your avatar is the whole sim?
    Karencreek Melson: yes
    Karencreek Melson: the whole is greater than the sum of its parts
    Zen Arado: could you explain that a bit more?

    A ' living painting' - what a nice expression!

    Karencreek Melson: what used to be a potential within
    Karencreek Melson: has been realized in sl
    Karencreek Melson: as a living painting
    Karencreek Melson: all who come and linger
    Karencreek Melson: become a part of it
    Zen Arado: yes - I like that - 'a living painting'
    Karencreek Melson: so many have come
    Karencreek Melson: and found a safe place
    Zen Arado: Hi Sharry
    Karencreek Melson: that I seek now to only listen for the land
    Karencreek Melson: Hi
    Zen Arado: have a seat
    Sharry Ragu: Hi Zen and Karen :))
    Zen Arado: have you been here before Sharry?
    Sharry Ragu: thank you
    Karencreek Melson: ã‹¡
    Sharry Ragu: I have Zen yes :))
    Zen Arado: ok - so you are ok that meetings are recorded?
    Sharry Ragu: I am, thank you :))
    Zen Arado: great
    Sharry Ragu: I have had such a frantic day at work.. just need to be ;)
    Zen Arado: Karen was explaining how she finds SL to be a 'living painting'
    Sharry Ragu: ahh.. yes I came in to see that...
    Karencreek Melson: my land specificly
    Sharry Ragu: surreal Karen?
    Zen Arado: ah yes was going to ask you that
    Karencreek Melson: Hi three
    Karencreek Melson: saw you at Tempura
    Zen Arado: Hi Houseovander
    Karencreek Melson: hours ago
    Karencreek Melson: hehe
    Sharry Ragu: bye
    Sharry Ragu: lol.. bye house :D
    Karencreek Melson: not surpirsed in retrospect he would be here
    Zen Arado: :)
    Sharry Ragu: ehum.. gesture, sorry LOL
    Karencreek Melson: the land speaks for me
    Karencreek Melson: and I listen for the land
    Karencreek Melson: that way I stay grounded
    Zen Arado: can I come and see your land some time?
    Karencreek Melson: sure
    Karencreek Melson: anytime
    Karencreek Melson: no invite
    Sharry Ragu: it sounds very inviting Karen :))
    Sharry Ragu: lol
    Karencreek Melson: smiles
    Karencreek Melson: it is
    Karencreek Melson: it speaks for itself
    Zen Arado: need to know where it is though - maybe send me LM in IM?
    Karencreek Melson: that is why I have to stay grounded
    Sharry Ragu: I can relate Karen, my plot is very much the same for me.. a blank canvas that shifts and changes with my moods..
    Sharry Ragu: thank you :))
    Karencreek Melson: my pleasure
    Zen Arado: thanks Karen
    Karencreek Melson: yw
    Karencreek Melson: I came here because some members of your group
    Karencreek Melson: came to my land
    Karencreek Melson: to see my paintings earlier
    Zen Arado: ah I see
    Zen Arado: I have an art gallery in SL too
    Karencreek Melson: that is good to hear
    Karencreek Melson: art is needed
    Sharry Ragu: SL I think is art in a multitude of forms... *smiles*
    Karencreek Melson: I agree
    Karencreek Melson: you are right
    Sharry Ragu: thank you very much Zen
    Zen Arado: you should come and look at my paintings some time
    Karencreek Melson: I will
    Sharry Ragu: I would love to too :))
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Dears <3<3<3
    Karencreek Melson: Hi Cosmic
    Sharry Ragu waves a hello

    Our own pab exhibition:

    Zen Arado: Hi Cos :)
    Zen Arado: I see you were at the exhuibition
    Zen Arado: Hi Cal :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes, wanted to see
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Zen Arado: you know we have an exhibition atm Sharry and Karen?
    Karencreek Melson: no I didnt
    Sharry Ragu: no, I didn't
    Karencreek Melson: hehe
    Karencreek Melson: same wavelenght
    Sharry Ragu: totally :D
    Zen Arado: it's about the puzzle of time I think
    Sharry Ragu: oh what a concept!
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Zen, how is it?
    Zen Arado: yes - it is our third
    Zen Arado: great Cal
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: will read them lines, goes to have cup of tea ;)
    Zen Arado: I haven't got an LM for the exhibition but it is just north of here
    Zen Arado: not very far
    Zen Arado: it is more about photographs though
    Zen Arado: you were supposed to construct something in SL and then take a photo
    Calvino Rabeni: Very artful, to me, more than photos.
    Karencreek Melson: smiles
    Zen Arado: yes - paintings are photos in SL I guess
    Calvino Rabeni: and interesting constructions - sculptural forms
    Calvino Rabeni: quite engaging
    Zen Arado: Bleu did a great one of a chess set with people's photos on the pieces
    Calvino Rabeni: I can see it being a destination for SL travellers
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you know how long it will be up?
    Zen Arado: yes Cal - maybe we should publicize it more
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yeah I liked it too
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and Lucinda had beautiful universe
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: galaxy
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Zen Arado: not sure
    Karencreek Melson: I must take my leave of you good people
    Calvino Rabeni: These different exhibits - I wonder if they're saved ?
    Zen Arado: there is a meeting to discuss the exhibits soon
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye, Karen
    Sharry Ragu: be well Karen :))
    Zen Arado: ok nice to meet you Karen :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You are leaving Karen?
    Karencreek Melson: been a pleasure
    Karencreek Melson: yes, late for me
    Karencreek Melson: always good to see you Comsic
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: oh, okey, Enjoy on your night time travelling ;))
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You too Dear ;)))
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: joy raising up from chest ;D
    Karencreek Melson: May peace be with all of you
    Zen Arado: you too
    Karencreek Melson: it is
    Karencreek Melson: L)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Zen Arado: I think exhibits will be saved Cal
    Zen Arado: Storm saved the last one
    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking a holodeck would be a good way to save the different exhibits of the Art of Being
    Zen Arado: I think they are underneath the present exhibition
    Calvino Rabeni: That would be great to be able to bring them back in a flash
    Zen Arado: yes true
    Zen Arado: yes you could have the exhibition still around somewhere
    Zen Arado: as long as we don't run out of prims
    Sharry Ragu loves prims


    Zen Arado: but a holodeck only uses prims when rezzed I think?
    Calvino Rabeni: They can be done as temporary ones
    Calvino Rabeni: yes even then, lots of them don't count
    Calvino Rabeni: some number, not sure how many, for "free" on the overall prim count
    Zen Arado: I have a couple of those already so I should know about them :)
    Zen Arado: a 'paradise blanket' and another one
    Calvino Rabeni: Where did you get that blanket?
    Calvino Rabeni: I heard of it
    Zen Arado: I bought it somewhere
    Zen Arado: handy if you have a small plot only
    Zen Arado: I know a woman who uses it instead of building a house
    Zen Arado: you have a choice of different modules that simulate different places or environments
    Calvino Rabeni: I read the notecard you sent - it sounds fun, if the scenes are well done
    Calvino Rabeni: I think I know where one is to try it out
    Zen Arado: I'll show you it sometime if you want
    Zen Arado: yes you can also try it out where they sell them

    Cos's new costume and pab exhibits:

    Calvino Rabeni: ! Cosmic changes into some strange creature
    Calvino Rabeni: (!!)
    Zen Arado: probably much improved over the version I have
    Zen Arado: :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Zen Arado: did either of you put anything in the exhibition?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: not me
    Calvino Rabeni: Noup
    Sharry Ragu: pretty av Cosmic :))
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Calvino Rabeni: You put a stream there, Zen, I think
    Zen Arado: I just put one trying to simulate flow
    Zen Arado: yes
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thanks
    Calvino Rabeni: I liked that it was dynamic
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I bought this hour ago
    Zen Arado: yes I was trying to show that reality is not static but dynamic and changing and impermanent
    Sharry Ragu: very serene :))
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I will give you lm where these are sold ;)
    Sharry Ragu: oh thankyou
    Zen Arado: a bit spiky if one got too close :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there were many kind
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: different kind
    Zen Arado: but maybe soft spikes:)
    Sharry Ragu: :D thank you!
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes, they can go around ;D
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: not stick you
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Zen Arado: thinks I will have to do my avatar or wardrobe
    Calvino Rabeni looks at his clock ... I'd best be going, nice sitting with you all
    Zen Arado: nice to see you again Cal
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3
    Calvino Rabeni: TY - Bye for now
    Calvino Rabeni: <333
    Zen Arado: bye
    Sharry Ragu: lol.. I think it's naturalistic and earthy... it speaks to me
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) yes
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I loved this one most
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: It feels like naturalistic
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but still when using this
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I feel familiar with universe too
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: feeling like an alien
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Sharry Ragu: :)) yes, I can feel that.. I think that's what it emanates :))
    Zen Arado: it takes a lot of imagination for that design
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: from sun
    Sharry Ragu: lol.. not alien!
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or from other "sunny" place
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I feel to be like one... LOL
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: laughs
    Sharry Ragu: well no, I see it as earthy.. :D
    Zen Arado: wonder if SL fashion influences RL designs
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby I AM alien then
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
    Sharry Ragu: hahaha!
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and this suits me better
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: okey
    Sharry Ragu: well... not matter.. I lubs it :))
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Dear ones
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I need to go too
    Zen Arado: you have something to swish when you turn your head :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hope to see you very soon again
    Sharry Ragu: be well Cosmic, and thank you
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: are YOu Sharry when usually here?
    Zen Arado: o bye Cos
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: in what time?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: would be wonderfull to see you again
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I live in finnland
    Sharry Ragu: around this time to 6AM SLT
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and now I am having midday


    Sharry Ragu: I live in Australia
    Zen Arado: ah interesting Sharry
    Sharry Ragu: and it is my evening
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby I can have your friendship?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then seeing when You are online?
    Sharry Ragu: absolutely! :))
    Sharry Ragu: ty
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thanks ;)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: now we can find each others ;)
    Zen Arado: whereabouts in Australia?
    Sharry Ragu: very welcome, and yes! thank you
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ok
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Now I fly away ;)
    Sharry Ragu: Sunny Queensland Zen
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: see you soon
    Zen Arado: bye Cos
    Zen Arado: I lived in Brisbane for a while
    Sharry Ragu: ahh... I am close to Brisbane
    Zen Arado: I lived in Kangaroo Point
    Zen Arado: near the Storey bridge
    Sharry Ragu: lovely area.. they do a lot of abseiling there
    Zen Arado: it was a long time ago though :)
    Zen Arado: I alos lived in Sydney about 7 years
    Zen Arado: Hi Baeric :)
    Sharry Ragu: ahh.. was the Southbank up and running?
    Sharry Ragu: ã‹¡
    Sharry Ragu: hi B
    Zen Arado: have you been here before?
    Baeric Constantine: Good morning/afternoon/evening :)
    Baeric Constantine: I have been here before
    Baeric Constantine: and yes the recording is fine
    Zen Arado: don't think so - they hadn't even finished the Opera house when I was there
    Zen Arado: ok good
    Sharry Ragu: wow! ok, so definitely some time ago! lol
    Baeric Constantine: :)
    Zen Arado: yes :(
    Sharry Ragu: you miss it?
    Zen Arado: I'm pretty old :(
    Zen Arado: yes sometimes
    Sharry Ragu: awww.. what's wrong with old?
    Zen Arado: I came home (to N.Ireland) and never got around to going back
    Sharry Ragu: you got distracted??
    Zen Arado: well - young is preferable though :)
    Zen Arado: I got a good job here
    Sharry Ragu: with age comes wisdom... apparently ;)
    Sharry Ragu: we are where we be
    Zen Arado: still waiting :)
    Sharry Ragu: haha!
    Zen Arado: I liked Queensland
    Zen Arado: people are more laid back
    Sharry Ragu: I'm not sure if we would still be considered laid back, perhaps we are however the culture has changed I believe
    Zen Arado: I used to hitch-hike a lot in those days
    Sharry Ragu: mmmm... sounds like freedom
    Zen Arado: remember riding a goods train from Townsville to Brisbane
    Zen Arado: with a mate
    Zen Arado: and no one worried about it
    Sharry Ragu nods
    Zen Arado: might not be able to do that nowadays?
    Sharry Ragu: I think the rural places are still like that, the city has changed I think
    Zen Arado: yes - big cities start to look the same all over the world
    Sharry Ragu nods
    Sharry Ragu: trends
    Zen Arado: Sydney is very like London with a warmer climate
    Sharry Ragu: I didn't like Sydney.. I found it too frantic
    Zen Arado: yes and so big
    Sharry Ragu: hugely big :D
    Zen Arado: sprawls out about 40 miles
    Baeric Constantine: London is cold, unforgiving, too cosmopolitan, too money orientated to be of any use to any one.
    Sharry Ragu: reflecting, yes, I do like Brisbane :))

    Cosmopolitan - good or bad? - 'Acquis communautaire' :

    Zen Arado: I like cosmopolitan though
    Zen Arado: adds more interest
    Sharry Ragu: how would you define cosmopolitan?
    Zen Arado: was interesting meeting all the different nationalities, at work
    Zen Arado: having a mixture of different races?
    Zen Arado: and thus different cultures
    Sharry Ragu: mmm.. perhaps.. I was wondering if that is also 'multi-cultural'?
    Zen Arado: yes
    Baeric Constantine: it means multi-cultural, but more than that... it includes it, and loses its own identity in the process
    Sharry Ragu: are they synonomous?
    Zen Arado: it's the mix of cultures I was trying to express
    Sharry Ragu: ahhh... that is a distinction
    Baeric Constantine: as has happened in UK - people here no longer know what it means to be English
    Sharry Ragu: then I would say that is also happening with the cities in Australia
    Zen Arado: well - that happens too Baeric I guess
    Zen Arado: some loss some gain
    Zen Arado: but in N.Ireland I see people are very narrow and insular in many ways
    Zen Arado: and racist
    Sharry Ragu: what about complete loss Zen? total loss of cultural identity I think can be very disturbing..
    Baeric Constantine: I am a firm believer in acquis communautaire
    Zen Arado: simply because there has been very little imigration to here
    Baeric Constantine: do not confuse protection of heritage as being narrow and insular or racist
    Zen Arado: intereting Baeric
    Baeric Constantine: Loss of heritage is wrong.... and when other cultures come here and we bend over backwards, it is wrong, they come here for our culture, so they either accept it or go back home
    Baeric Constantine: acquis communautaire
    Zen Arado: but places like London have always been prone to new influxes of migrants all through the ages
    Baeric Constantine: I have no issue with that
    Baeric Constantine: I have issue that we, as a nation, bend over to be more accommodating to them than to our own people
    Zen Arado: even N. Ireland is a mixture of Scots Irish/ English
    Baeric Constantine: we, the english as a nation are not called english anymore, and we have lost who we are
    Zen Arado: interesting topic Bearic
    Zen Arado: I'll think about it and maybe we can discuss it some more
    Zen Arado: but I have to go now
    Baeric Constantine: If I am from Scotland, I am Scots, if I am from Wales, I am welsh, but if I am from England, I am British? No! I am English.
    Baeric Constantine: Okies
    Zen Arado: nice to meet you Sharry and Baeric :)
    Baeric Constantine: this is very close to my heart this subject
    Baeric Constantine: sorry
    Zen Arado: np Baeric - nothing to be sorry about - I would stay and discuss but I have been here 1 1/2 hours already :)
    Sharry Ragu: be well Zen, thank you for talking :))
    Baeric Constantine: ahhh
    Zen Arado: you too :)
    Baeric Constantine: welcome
    Zen Arado: bye
    Baeric Constantine: nice meeting you
    Sharry Ragu waves

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