2010.09.30 13:00 - Will reflection become an anachronism?

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    Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database.


    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Alfred Kelberry: *whispers* she doesn't see us :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Wol Euler whistles and looks around idly.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: alone at last *sigh*
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ;)
    Alfred Kelberry: *giggles from the bushes*
    Barcalona Rhapsody: Un-huh!
    Wol Euler frowns and looks around. Is somebody there?
    Wol Euler: oh hello, arch
    Wol Euler: hello lia
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Wol Euler: hello barca
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i will show up
    Wol Euler: you do.
    Alfred Kelberry: *jumps from the bushes* boo! :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi all
    Archmage Atlantis: Waiting to see where others sit.....don't want to sit on someone
    Lia Rikugun: hello
    Wol Euler gasps!
    Alfred Kelberry: oi :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: we were playing hide and seek
    Wol Euler: what a surprise!
    Alfred Kelberry: woly :)
    Wol Euler: I hd no idea!
    Alfred Kelberry: *hugs woly*
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, i'm sneaky when it comes to hiding :)
    Wol Euler straightens your antennae
    Alfred Kelberry: um, thanks :)
    Wol Euler: and smirks
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes you are Afred
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, archy :)
    Archmage Atlantis: They do not see you because you do not fit their definitions
    Wol Euler nods.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: u look intereswting Wol
    Wol Euler: thank you.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: deep insight
    Alfred Kelberry: yes... like trinity from the matrix :)
    Wol Euler grins
    Barcalona Rhapsody: alfred hides in a box
    Alfred Kelberry: let's play, i'll be neo :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its no roleplaying here
    Archmage Atlantis: OMG, the show last night said at 27 guys forget the matrix
    Lia Rikugun: i am the cat appearing twice :)
    Wol Euler: does trinity get to whip neo?
    Alfred Kelberry: barca :)
    Alfred Kelberry: lia lol
    Wol Euler: hello calvino
    Alfred Kelberry: it's a good one :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi cal
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its playing as we are
    Alfred Kelberry: wol... um... did she?
    Archmage Atlantis: They becomed domesticated *g*
    Wol Euler: dunno, I'm asking.
    Wol Euler: and maybe hoping.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: um, gently maybe :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Barca, Talks Too Much, and my little box buddy
    Wol Euler: I'm pretty good with a whip, in a domestic way
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, cal :)
    Lia Rikugun: hey calvino
    Calvino Rabeni smiles at Lia
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, how do you use it in say a kitchen?
    Archmage Atlantis: Choosing of seats, interesting
    Alfred Kelberry: cal, we're playing matrix today :)
    Archmage Atlantis: In a kitchen
    Alfred Kelberry: cal will be morpheus
    Archmage Atlantis: a whip is a tool to place air bubbles in an emulsion
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, true
    Archmage Atlantis: It mixes oil and water, two things that do not mix
    Wol Euler: or pleasure and pain, ditto :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or ying and yang
    Alfred Kelberry: *touches latexy woly*
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wow
    Alfred Kelberry: smooth :)
    Wol Euler grins and moves against your hand.
    Archmage Atlantis: yea, agree Barca (lounger)
    Archmage Atlantis: Um, lia is still here....and here comes arabella
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, ara :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Lia Rikugun: hello ara
    Wol Euler: what, he was touching my shoulder :)
    Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce!
    Wol Euler: hello bruce
    Lia Rikugun: hey bruce
    Wol Euler: and hello mick
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone.
    arabella Ella: Hiya Bruce, Mick
    Alfred Kelberry: mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: hi :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi bruce
    Lia Rikugun: hello mick!
    Wol Euler: hello qt
    Calvino Rabeni: * Arabella * Bruce * Mick * Qt *
    Alfred Kelberry: *notices that mick is wearing watches*
    Wol Euler: the gang's all here.
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Lia, how are you?
    Lia Rikugun: very well thank you :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi blub
    Mickorod Renard: great, i hear you are going to the retreat?
    Lia Rikugun: yes i will
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi mick
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Archmage Atlantis: Not all here, but still a quorum
    Alfred Kelberry: how many people will attend, wol?
    Lia Rikugun: bertram and i will make a road trip to get there ;)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi barc
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi qt
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi qt
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, a road trip is nice... enjoy it :)
    Mickorod Renard: hi Qt
    Barcalona Rhapsody: according to TAO we dont need to voyage anymore
    Lia Rikugun: :) thanks alf
    Wol Euler: isn't yaku going with you?
    Lia Rikugun: i asked him, but didnt get a response yet
    Alfred Kelberry: tao?
    Lia Rikugun: so dont know
    Wol Euler grumbles.
    Lia Rikugun: maybe bertram knows more
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes the inner way
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its about involution
    Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, yaku must be close to you, woly
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sorry
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i have to respect gthe silence
    Wol Euler: he's nearer to lia :)
    Lia Rikugun: yes :)
    arabella Ella: will it be a long drive Lia?
    Lia Rikugun: he visited me in aachen once :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i hope he'll make it
    Lia Rikugun: 4 to 5 hours i think
    arabella Ella: wow
    Lia Rikugun: maybe less
    Lia Rikugun: i have to check
    arabella Ella: and you still dont have speed limits on the autobahn do you?
    Lia Rikugun: no
    arabella Ella: cool
    Wol Euler: some sections are limited
    arabella Ella: ah
    Wol Euler: where there is a lot of traffic or many intersections
    Archmage Atlantis: The Tao is a vision into truth as truth existed at the present in which it exists
    Barcalona Rhapsody: nice said arch
    Archmage Atlantis: tyk, B
    arabella Ella: a thought came to mind today which i would like to bring up
    Wol Euler: plese do
    Archmage Atlantis: pls do
    Wol Euler: +a
    arabella Ella: it is not directed at anyone here of course but quite generalised
    Calvino Rabeni listens intently
    arabella Ella: in today's world in the west most people live a very rushed life
    arabella Ella: based on clocks and fitting in as much as they can
    Mickorod Renard: tell me again
    arabella Ella: constantly out of breath
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: will this type of lifestyle in the west ...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: western woman supermarket life
    Alfred Kelberry: *notices mick's watches in sl for the second time* :)
    arabella Ella: eventually do away witth 'thinking time' or 'time for reflection'?
    arabella Ella: will 'reflection' some day become an anachronism in the 'west'?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: doctor docter whats wrong with me?
    Mickorod Renard: well it shouldnt as automation was a promise for more leisure time, the problem is exploitation
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes automation promissed to be time saving
    Wol Euler: there are signs of that happening (have been developing for decades)
    Calvino Rabeni is thinking and reflecting very *slooooowly* on Arabella's question
    Archmage Atlantis: In a sense, to my mind, both of you speak truth
    Wol Euler: for example in the way that the news does not present context and history, but only isolated factlets
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wel it cost me e few second to come here
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and to speak with u all
    Calvino Rabeni: I will have an every so small touch of an answer for you tomorrow at this time, Arabella :)
    arabella Ella: or perhaps Wol how we scan texts including newspapers or email?
    Archmage Atlantis: How do we gain, without loose
    arabella Ella smiles at Calvino ... thanks ... so sweet of you!
    Barcalona Rhapsody: isaved some hours and some fuel to come here via SL
    Calvino Rabeni smiles at Ara :)
    Alfred Kelberry: wol, i find it otherwise, too much opinions that ruin the factual newsmaking
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or am i spilling time now ?
    Archmage Atlantis: That is why you chose to be a box. Alfy
    Wol Euler: I'm not talking about editorial opiion, alf, but about factual context. Thing B happened today because thing A happened yesterday
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wow
    Mickorod Renard: I think their is a precarious balance between keeping the masses under control and afluency., if the economy appears too healthy and people get lots of money and spare time they will not take their work seriously
    Archmage Atlantis: That is 2D logic......beyond that is 3D logic
    Barcalona Rhapsody: is there a causal relation between A and b ?
    Archmage Atlantis: And beyond that?
    Wol Euler: perhaps there is, barca, that's my point.
    Wol Euler: mass news media would not tell you
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Barcalona Rhapsody: perhaps there isnt
    Alfred Kelberry: wol, can you give an example?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: pls
    Alfred Kelberry: i don't quite follow
    Barcalona Rhapsody: even the bell thinks in time
    Wol Euler: did we just talk through the 90 secs?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: 15 minutes
    arabella Ella: most of you did yes Wol with few exceptions :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: can you put it out ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: the bell i mean
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or the time
    Alfred Kelberry: no, the bell is sacred
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so time is sacred ?
    Alfred Kelberry: yes
    Barcalona Rhapsody: oh
    Barcalona Rhapsody: amen
    Alfred Kelberry: duh... woly crashed...
    Alfred Kelberry: wb, woly :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Alfy, you never follow...you always test for yourself.....waiting for the 90 seconds, it does have meaning.......not it is not sacred.......the choice to talk is against the bell.....yet the bell is there
    Lia Rikugun: hi wol welcome back
    arabella Ella: wb Wol that was fast
    Wol Euler: ty
    Barcalona Rhapsody: maybe she had to breath some air
    Alfred Kelberry: archy?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I am here
    Archmage Atlantis: Do you wish a question
    Archmage Atlantis: A prophecy
    Archmage Atlantis: An eternal promise
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder if anyone has done tests on diferent positioned persons, ie a monk , a factory worker, an office worker etc and found that time is diferent for each?
    arabella Ella: are you asking anyone specifically Arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: you know all the attempts at proof are flawed
    Archmage Atlantis: Fair question Ara
    Archmage Atlantis: I have been engaged in talking to Alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: archy, follow and test... is it in relation to what woly said or the bell or...?
    Archmage Atlantis: Wol is close to being the first person I admired here
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, um, how about an example? :)
    Wol Euler: eh?
    Archmage Atlantis: He helps others find their way
    Wol Euler: *she* please, if you are talking about me. Wol is female.
    Archmage Atlantis: I know, Wol
    Archmage Atlantis: Fael has the same issue with me'
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes an example of a and b ?
    Archmage Atlantis: I am a dinosaur
    Barcalona Rhapsody: A yesterday and b today
    Wol Euler: oh, right. I was thinking of politics and the effects of political decisions.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Wol Euler: "we are in a terrible mess today! what a surprise" well, no, we are in that mess because of decisions that were taken two years ago
    Wol Euler: I suppose I'm thinking here mostly of the trashier newspapers.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so we must take new decissions now
    Wol Euler: because the New Yorker and Die Zeit do present this kind of analysis and tracking
    Bruce Mowbray: wow, ara, that was fast! (wb.)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or take another newspapaer now
    Archmage Atlantis: The important thing, Wol, is do you think the decisions were taken with malice,or with love
    Wol Euler: wb ara
    Barcalona Rhapsody: u hit the nail on its head Arch
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi ara
    Wol Euler: neither, I'm not htat cynical. I think that it happens mostly out of laziness, and perhaps also because column inches in print are expensive
    Archmage Atlantis: Laziness to me is maliced
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i agree
    Wol Euler: given the choice between printing a paragraph of history to please me, and a scandal report on some alleged star's alleged infidelity ...
    Archmage Atlantis: As is the cost of witness
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or the benefit of witness
    Archmage Atlantis: Barcalona.....so much like Barcelona....the cathedral of La Sagrada Familia......the last unfinished cathedral...........assosciations, ways to avoid what one sees
    Calvino Rabeni: @propos of Ara's question - people have always had their attention captured by concrete particulars of their lives - but perhaps there is cause for concern with the way conscious attention and intellectual work is being captured by media and organized by automatic processes ...and how people are plugged into technical systems rather than working "together" ... work used to be manual and allow for free personal relating to happen along with it ... that has diminished
    Wol Euler: wb barca
    arabella Ella: that is quite a lot to reflect upon Calvino ... may take a while
    arabella Ella: i personally like your reference to automatic processes but not to 'plugged into technical systems' ... as we know that has zillions of good things too
    Mickorod Renard: I was wondering about time today, I came to some conclusion that time is only relevant to life forms dependant on water
    Wol Euler: interesting.
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Gestalt is a useful word
    Barcalona Rhapsody: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Greek philosopher Thales agreees with Mick (re: water).
    Wol Euler: but don't light-based life forms have a day cycle too.
    arabella Ella: why water mick?
    Calvino Rabeni: TY Ara
    Barcalona Rhapsody: time management is water management ?
    Mickorod Renard: I think water seems a comon factor
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Mickorod Renard: common*
    Barcalona Rhapsody: time flies time runs like water too
    Archmage Atlantis: Sorry, wore this loaner outfit long enuf. ......fancy dancers of the Potowatome, did best I could
    Wol Euler: why sorry? nothing wrong with it.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes its out of time now
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its so 2009
    Bruce Mowbray: !
    Mickorod Renard: but inbetween mouthfuls of icecream, , I also think it communications is already becomming more important than life itself
    Archmage Atlantis: You know cats, they don't like being herded
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    Lia Rikugun: hey yaku
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Yaku. . . .
    Archmage Atlantis: Dang, thought you were already here Yaku
    Qt Core: have to go, bye a;;
    Wol Euler: buona notttte, qt
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye qt
    Qt Core: all
    Lia Rikugun: bye qt
    Bruce Mowbray: Be well, Qt.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: notte qt
    Mickorod Renard: soon hey wil spend more money of protecting electronic communications from terrorist attack or solar flares than feeding the starving billions
    Mickorod Renard: bye qt
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Wol Euler: re-wb ara
    Barcalona Rhapsody: Homeland security is now acting in a test against cybercrime for 3 days is called Cyberstorm III
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb ara
    arabella Ella: hiya ty
    Barcalona Rhapsody: never tested 3 days feeding the poor
    Yakuzza Lethecus: this week they reported about a new virus that atacked automation systems
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    Lia Rikugun: in iran no?
    Wol Euler: I read about that, it seems to pick on embedded computer systems, the computers in industrial equipment
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was kinda unique and een that iranian nuklear plant was infected
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, exactly
    Archmage Atlantis: Um, you feed them 3 days.......what happens in the next 3 days?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bert.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi bert
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - many ! hi everybody ;-)
    Lia Rikugun: hello bertram!
    Wol Euler: hello bert!
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Bert
    Calvino Rabeni looks at the time ...Heads for his next activity. Hve a good day everyone :)
    Lia Rikugun: bye calvino
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye cal
    Bruce Mowbray: TTYL, Calvino.
    Lia Rikugun: youtoo have a good day
    Wol Euler: bye cal
    Archmage Atlantis: Caveat emptor, Cal
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Mickorod Renard: if money is a resourse, along with electricity, then electronic automated systems and so forth are feeding of human resourses, this is why we have to work so much, to feed computers, we are the slaves
    Mickorod Renard: oops
    Archmage Atlantis: try not to excuse a statement of belief by "oops', Mick
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: (will go to bed, sleepy time,thanks and take care!)
    arabella Ella: nite Lia
    Bertram Jacobus: good nite lia
    Barcalona Rhapsody: guten nacht
    Bruce Mowbray: Bood night, Lia.
    Wol Euler: 'night lia
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night lia
    Bruce Mowbray: Good night.... Lia.
    Archmage Atlantis: Tks for staying Lila
    arabella Ella: i think i will be off too ... crashed once too often
    arabella Ella: good night!
    Wol Euler: 'night ara
    Archmage Atlantis: A boy's night
    Barcalona Rhapsody: have nice crash
    Archmage Atlantis: k
    Mickorod Renard: nite Ara
    Mickorod Renard: I have to go home, sorry
    Archmage Atlantis: Do you chose to have a gender Barca?
    Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
    Wol Euler: feed the cats
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes i did
    Archmage Atlantis: bye mick
    Bertram Jacobus: bye mick have a great time *wave* :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Good evening, Mick.
    Archmage Atlantis: I never had to choose mine, so it interests me
    Barcalona Rhapsody: well i thought so
    Archmage Atlantis: Always male, always gay'
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i mean of my av
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in rl i had no choice
    Barcalona Rhapsody: nature did
    Archmage Atlantis: My av is as much me as it can be.....well, younger
    Barcalona Rhapsody: mine too
    Archmage Atlantis: It is easier to find openess in younger......and that is a disturbing fact for me.......that is not a fact.......ppl change
    Wol Euler: well ... I am far more open now than I was thrity years ago
    Barcalona Rhapsody: me too
    Wol Euler: it took me decades to pry the lid off myself
    Barcalona Rhapsody: age doesnt matter
    Archmage Atlantis: I started with no lid allowed
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm happy to learn that age doesn't matter -- since today is my 68th birthday (in RL, of course).
    Wol Euler: oh!
    Wol Euler: congratulations!!!!!!!
    Barcalona Rhapsody: happy birthday bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Time to pop the lid!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: congratulations bruce!
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks.
    Archmage Atlantis: Working through the thoughts
    Wol Euler: do you have these too?
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow! Playing with fire! I love it!
    Wol Euler: they were handed out at my birthday
    Archmage Atlantis: Bruce, you are i south ohio, north west of Cinncy.....is that a correct memory?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, about 70 miles NW of Cincy.
    Archmage Atlantis: ty
    Bruce Mowbray: 45 miles south of Columbus.
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - cool - ty ! :o)
    Wol Euler: waht are your plans for your birthday?
    Bruce Mowbray: I treated myself and a neighbor to five days in New York -- last weekend....
    Bruce Mowbray: also going to go out for dinner tomorrow with lady friend.
    Wol Euler: ah, celebrating in advance
    Bruce Mowbray: (she is exactly two days older that me.)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: than me.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i go to the cafe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bfn
    Wol Euler: ciao
    Archmage Atlantis: I remember seeing the early performances of La Cage and Opera
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye
    Archmage Atlantis: At the theaters
    Archmage Atlantis: Yess, Yaku is correct, this conversation belongs in a cafe
    Archmage Atlantis: Night
    Wol Euler: goodngiht arch, take care
    Barcalona Rhapsody: well i go to ewan bohnham
    Wol Euler: bye barca, take care
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye all
    Bertram Jacobus: bye barca
    Wol Euler: Bert, du bist heute recht formell bekleidet :)
    Bertram Jacobus: where will wol go to ? ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: dancing with you?
    Bertram Jacobus: hihi - yes : i was at a dance place with a lady ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: heheh I thought so!
    Bertram Jacobus: yes !
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bertram Jacobus: but where ? ...
    Wol Euler: well...
    Wol Euler: apollo gardens is lovely but laggy
    Wol Euler: we could just go to my dance hall here.
    Bertram Jacobus: hmm - i would know a place ... hmmm
    Wol Euler: ok, you choose.
    Bertram Jacobus: okay - hope it's not too laggy for you, too ! - sometimes it is, sometimes less - so let me check ... :-)
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