Page last modified 19:46, 19 Oct 2010 by wol

*Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database. This was a wonderful session, full of ideas, rambling through many topics on a cheerful autumnal Friday.*

*It started in mid-conversation, as several guardians had gathered before the session. We were discussing a book that a friend is writing, on the construction of identity in virtual worlds.*

Wol Euler: one that is unwritten :)

Wol Euler: or in the process of *becoming*

Wol Euler: since years now

Yakuzza Lethecus: vaporware

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Wol Euler: yes, exactly.

Wol Euler: it's about gender and identity and character, and how we create these in SL

Yakuzza Lethecus: the name of the author is ?

Yakuzza Lethecus: i see something ,,noctis"

Wol Euler: the SL name is Noctis Oh, but I don't know what name it will be published under

Bleu Oleander: interesting book for you Wol: "Online a lot of the time" by Ken Hillis

Bleu Oleander: about ritual, fetish, sign

Wol Euler: heheheh, that sounds like me. Googling

Alfred Kelberry: woly, maybe your whip technique would be a good incentive :)

Wol Euler laughs. It would, definitely, because Noctis has experienced my whip technique :-PPP

Wol Euler: in RL even

Alfred Kelberry: oh my :)

Alfred Kelberry: wait, what?! how did i miss it?! :)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Alfred Kelberry: where was i?!

Alfred Kelberry: ...

Alfred Kelberry: ok, give me a note next time :)

Bleu Oleander: whip?

Wol Euler: yep (to bleu)

Bleu Oleander: do I want to experience it?

Wol Euler: thanks for the tip, that looks like a very good book for me to read.

Wol Euler chuckles. Maybe.

Bleu Oleander: excellent book

Alfred Kelberry: bleu, you sound willing :)

Wol Euler: just love taps, not vicious beatings

Bleu Oleander: can't whip the willing .... hehe

Wol Euler: depends on your attitude to a little consensual pain

Bleu Oleander: ha!

Alfred Kelberry: wol, do you really have time to read fiction books?

Wol Euler: oh yes.

Wol Euler: there is always time to read!

Alfred Kelberry: um, ok :)

Wol Euler: I could sooner do without eating than reading

Alfred Kelberry: you look rather thin :)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler nudges yaku.

Wol Euler: hello arch, just in time

Bleu Oleander: bye Wol and Alf

Wol Euler smiles.

Alfred Kelberry: i have too many non-fiction titles on my list, so i let movies fill in the fiction part :)

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: bleu :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey arch

Wol Euler: ah, well there we have it. I don'T know how you have time to watch movies :)

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: at least movies are over after an hour

Alfred Kelberry: exactly! :)

Wol Euler: but you can read a chapter or even a paragraph at a time

Alfred Kelberry: thanks, yaku :)

Alfred Kelberry: boooring :)

Wol Euler: :-PPPPPPPP

Yakuzza Lethecus: sadly i am too much child of the modern media

Yakuzza Lethecus: i appreciate watching a nice movie on the couch below a blanket

Alfred Kelberry: in fact, some techinical authors do that at times (lyric additions of unknown origin) and it's annoying

Yakuzza Lethecus: i was never able to do the same with a book, sadly

Archmage Atlantis: I have non-human friend, often called pets....they have their own agenda

Wol Euler smiles.

Archmage Atlantis: I like movies, some speak to me, some tv speaks to me, some books

Wol Euler nods.

Archmage Atlantis: Even some art, on the walll that is

Alfred Kelberry: yaku, i think some cosmology book would fit nicely with a blanket :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, stargate universe season 2 just started :P

Archmage Atlantis: But an art in the blankie.....oh well

Alfred Kelberry: ok, we lost yaku :)

Wol Euler: heheh

Yakuzza Lethecus: lost already ended

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

Alfred Kelberry: omg! you watched it?! :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, i don't consider my media addiction as very positive tho :P

Alfred Kelberry: it's like... total nonsense

Yakuzza Lethecus: it's habitual

Alfred Kelberry: we're all addicted

Archmage Atlantis: Dpends, and no I don't use those....yet

Alfred Kelberry: even archy :)

Alfred Kelberry: um, nice lipstick color, wol

Alfred Kelberry: eliza! :)

Archmage Atlantis: It is part of being human, to focus on something intently

Wol Euler: tjanks

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza

Wol Euler: hello eliza

Eliza Madrigal: Hi :))

Wol Euler: remind me what the symbol on your sweater means?

Alfred Kelberry: tree?

Eliza Madrigal: OH, these are "Buddha eyes"

Archmage Atlantis: Need rez traffic controllers some day in the far future

Eliza Madrigal: Or Arch?

Wol Euler: oh, I see. I thought that it might have been more specific than that

Alfred Kelberry: ah, eliza's sweater

Wol Euler: ty

Archmage Atlantis: Oh, me?

Eliza Madrigal: It may be :)

Archmage Atlantis: That is a gift

Wol Euler: we need arch now, not just in the future

Archmage Atlantis: It translates in most Asian languages

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, apologies... Lucy and I have a meeting :))

Alfred Kelberry: ok, have fun :)

Archmage Atlantis: The symbol I most remember

Yakuzza Lethecus: have fun

Wol Euler: bye eliza, bye luci, takie care

Eliza Madrigal: Nice to peek in... Maybe see you guys later (and sorry laggy lines)

Alfred Kelberry: archy, is it a tree?

Archmage Atlantis: I a man holding the earth and sky

Lucinda Lavender: thanks Wol and all!

Alfred Kelberry: oh... i like it

Wol Euler: nice

Darren Islar: hi everyone :)

Wol Euler: hello darren

Alfred Kelberry: it's kind of like a western turtle :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey darren

Alfred Kelberry: oi, darren

Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko

Wol Euler laughs.

Archmage Atlantis: More turtles than the west can imagine, alf

Yakuzza Lethecus: stop

Alfred Kelberry: refreshing :)

Darren Islar: I see two strings and the top of a cartbox in m my viewer :)

Agatha Macbeth: G'day mates

Alfred Kelberry: hehe

Wol Euler whistles. NIce butt.

Alfred Kelberry: well, it's me, darren :) ...or a part of me

Agatha Macbeth: onigokko

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey agatha :)

Darren Islar: :)

Archmage Atlantis: Stop

Alfred Kelberry: crazy humans :)

Wol Euler: stop

Darren Islar: hi Agatha

Wol Euler: nice outfit.

Archmage Atlantis: It used to be funny

Agatha Macbeth: Howdy

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: ty

Archmage Atlantis: Now it is a power play

Alfred Kelberry: :/

Agatha Macbeth: Shoot it up the ice

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

Yakuzza Lethecus: aflac

Alfred Kelberry: well, off me go

Archmage Atlantis: Quitters

Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Boxie

Yakuzza Lethecus: take care alf

Wol Euler: ok, since it's friday here's a quick and easy geek test: Kobayashi Maru.

Agatha Macbeth: Bless you

Yakuzza Lethecus: andromeda ?

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: star trek

Agatha Macbeth: Perseus?

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, that's the test

Yakuzza Lethecus: which kirk cheated

Wol Euler: I on't know why I thought of htat just now.

Wol Euler: right.

Agatha Macbeth: Kirk would never cheat

Yakuzza Lethecus: he just changed the parameters of the test

Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but that's not cheating

Archmage Atlantis: Aggie, all Kirk did was cheat

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: hello Ara

Agatha Macbeth: Poor old Jim

Darren Islar: hi Ara :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara

Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara

Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps that defines us as human

arabella Ella: Hiya

Archmage Atlantis: To change the parameters, so we never cheat

Wol Euler: achieving peace with honour

Wol Euler looks around and realizes that only Arch is old enough to get that

Agatha Macbeth: Aww

arabella Ella: to get which bit Wol?

Darren Islar: I lost touch already a while ago

Wol Euler: "peace with honour" is a Richard Nixon quote, about ending the Vietnam war by unilaterally pulling out American troops

Wol Euler is in a silly mood.

Agatha Macbeth: I remember that

Archmage Atlantis: He means I watched Star Trek when it was a new program on tv

arabella Ella: ah ... so it has a cultural context too

Wol Euler: helicopters on the embassy roof and all that

arabella Ella: r u old enough too Ags :)

Archmage Atlantis: right after color, before square tubes

Wol Euler: wb aggers

Agatha Macbeth: ty

arabella Ella: wb Ags

Archmage Atlantis: The news today said women mangers earn less'

Wol Euler: I guess they don't make hay?

Darren Islar: I'm afraid that is not news

Agatha Macbeth: Away in a manger

arabella Ella: less than who or what?

Wol Euler: as far as I know, women earn less than men at the same level of every profession

Archmage Atlantis: Then it said, if they have children, they never make up the difference

Wol Euler nods.

Archmage Atlantis: I know as an openly gay man, the women held me down in promotions

Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like fun Arch :)

Archmage Atlantis: They played to the closeted guys

arabella Ella: why do you think they did that Arch?

--BELL--

Darren Islar: well I'm a woman and gay :)

Archmage Atlantis: What is equatity, fraternity, and freedom?

Agatha Macbeth: Something to do with the French Revolution?

Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Aggie, the French did it first

Agatha Macbeth: Bless 'em

arabella Ella: will the US follow you think?

arabella Ella: and is that really the case in France ... I doubt it

Archmage Atlantis: Yet the Brits found a way through the muidle/muddle......

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, we formed a committee...

arabella Ella: a quango?

Archmage Atlantis: Right

Archmage Atlantis: the committee that never decides

Agatha Macbeth: That's the one

Agatha Macbeth: Nothing much changes actually

Archmage Atlantis: True

Archmage Atlantis: Still, tiny bits do change

Archmage Atlantis: And they add up

Agatha Macbeth nods

Archmage Atlantis: That is why everyone can have a gun in the US

Agatha Macbeth waves to Mick

Wol Euler: helo mick

Archmage Atlantis: If all have them

Mickorod Renard: hellow my dears

arabella Ella: Hiya Mick!

Archmage Atlantis: All can use them

arabella Ella: over 18?

Archmage Atlantis: over 9

Darren Islar: hi Mick :)

Mickorod Renard: :)

arabella Ella: is that a good thing Arch?

Agatha Macbeth: Uh oh

Wol Euler snorts

arabella Ella: oh no Yaku is starting WW3

Agatha Macbeth: With bananas

Darren Islar: bananas :))

Wol Euler: banana launcher?

Yakuzza Lethecus: anyone still needs a launcher ?

Agatha Macbeth: 'Loving you has made me bananas'

arabella Ella: i hate bananas :(

Darren Islar: no thanks Yaku :)

Agatha Macbeth: You already gave me one yaku

Yakuzza Lethecus: so you can shoot em :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: banana's and lemmings :)

Darren Islar: more bananas then avatars........

Agatha Macbeth: Riiiiight...

Wol Euler: this must be friday.

Agatha Macbeth: Truly

Darren Islar: you must feel better :)

arabella Ella: why cant we be peaceful here?

Agatha Macbeth: Let's have a lie-in

Darren Islar: a what?

arabella Ella: a lie in would be lovely ... better than guns

Agatha Macbeth: John and Yoko?

arabella Ella: great idea

Darren Islar: ah

arabella Ella: lie in bed

Agatha Macbeth: In Amsterdam, was it not?

Darren Islar: yes

Agatha Macbeth: Ah

Agatha Macbeth: Those were the days

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: that must havebeen what all them ladies were asking me to do when I went there last,,I thought they were prostitutes

Agatha Macbeth: They probably were Mick

Darren Islar: found a Sgt. Peppers jacket

Agatha Macbeth: Yay

Wol Euler: oooooh

Agatha Macbeth: Darren Islar's Lonely Hearts Club band

Wol Euler: you need nickel-plated round glasses and a dubiously thick cigarette

Agatha Macbeth: And a Scouse accent

Darren Islar: hmmmm, don't hope so actually :)

Wol Euler: yae

arabella Ella: LOL

Darren Islar: hmmmmmm, sorry don't have those I'm afraid :)

Agatha Macbeth: Just as well maybe

arabella Ella: and a thick fringe

Darren Islar: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Mmm

Mickorod Renard: do you mean a bushy fringe?

Agatha Macbeth: Lunatic fringe?

arabella Ella: both

Agatha Macbeth: Either

Darren Islar: it is never enough for you guys and girls isn't it ;)

Agatha Macbeth: No, never ;-)

Darren Islar: good :)

Darren Islar: .

Agatha Macbeth: But that's how we like it!

Mickorod Renard: what are we dicussing bye the way?

Agatha Macbeth: Good question

Darren Islar: fringes?

Wol Euler: hard to say, mick.

Darren Islar: I lost the topic since we started :)

Wol Euler: I think it was the typical Friday free-for-all

arabella Ella: conscientious objectors?

Mickorod Renard: I must try to not come out with radical statements tonite

Agatha Macbeth: Where?

Wol Euler: oh please do

arabella Ella: does anyone here have a conscience?

Darren Islar: :) Mick

Agatha Macbeth has Jiminy Cricket

Wol Euler checks her pockets.

Mickorod Renard: I have a terible one,,even if I havnt done anything wrong

Yakuzza Lethecus: i am going to sneak out

Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone

Wol Euler: bye yaku, take care

Agatha Macbeth: Sneaky Yaku

Mickorod Renard: bye yaku

Mickorod Renard: wasnt arch here?

arabella Ella: crashed?

Agatha Macbeth: Didn't see him go

Darren Islar: going too

Mickorod Renard: bye darren

Wol Euler: bye darren, enjoy the weekend

arabella Ella: good night Darren

Darren Islar: see you :)

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Daz

Agatha Macbeth: Don't smoke too much pot

Mickorod Renard: I wonder how important life is

Wol Euler: what was behind your question, ara?

arabella Ella: i read some stuff on internet recently about conscience

arabella Ella: and it made me wonder a lot

Mickorod Renard: yes?

arabella Ella: is it conditioning

arabella Ella: is it self made

arabella Ella: how universal is it if it exists at all

arabella Ella: that sort of questions

Wol Euler nods thoughtfully

Mickorod Renard: you could question the whole essence of anything and everything in the same way

arabella Ella: each individual is meant to have some sort of 'internal' measure of what is good and what is bad

arabella Ella: some people call that a conscience

arabella Ella: and it guides our actions and judgement

Agatha Macbeth: Which varies between individuals presumably?

arabella Ella nods

Mickorod Renard: and their cultueres too

Agatha Macbeth: Hmm

Mickorod Renard: and epoche in time that they exist

--BELL--

arabella Ella: but why should something be good today which was bad yesterday or good in one culture and bad in another ... is that right?

arabella Ella: oooops .... shhhhhh

Mickorod Renard: I sometimes question the value of life...some warrior races find death honourable and war as reason to be

Mickorod Renard: oops

arabella Ella: isnt that simply living on the edge Mick? getting adrenaline rushes for different things?

Agatha Macbeth: It's like saying what's right and what's wrong: everyone has different values

Mickorod Renard: one blast of exquisite joy would be sufficient to someone,,

Wol Euler: we share most of our values, though, and they do not change much.

Wol Euler: it is universally thought to be a bad idea to punch strangers in the nose at random

arabella Ella: i dont think everyone has different values

Wol Euler: but some cultures approve of boxing matches

Agatha Macbeth: Or bullfighting

Wol Euler: right

Mickorod Renard: there is something beautiful and exciting when all of a sudden you are on the edge

Wol Euler nods to Mick

Mickorod Renard: I can taste the addiction to risk

arabella Ella: but those who decide to go further dont afford much value to life Mick do they?

Mickorod Renard: well,,i ponder this often

Wol Euler: perhaps they do, ara.

Wol Euler: just a different definition to yours

arabella Ella: life to me is very valuable ...

Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it comes down to the responsibility we owe to others

Wol Euler: tehy see the value of life in enjoyment and excitement, not in its length

arabella Ella: or that we owe ourselves

Mickorod Renard: as i am getting older I am becoming concerned that I will find life boring without something to spice it up

Wol Euler: interesting.

Agatha Macbeth: Which is why you went to Amsterdam? :p

Wol Euler: heh

arabella Ella: LOL

Agatha Macbeth: Naughty Mick

Mickorod Renard: I went to amsterdam as an errand of mercy

Agatha Macbeth: Oh?

arabella Ella: and what did the ladies there want of you Mick?

Mickorod Renard: I thin they had some problem indoors, as they kept grabbing my jacket and dragging me in

arabella Ella giggles

Agatha Macbeth: How many times did they do it then?

arabella Ella: maybe their plumbing needed fixing poor dears

Mickorod Renard: every doorway,,very odd,,but friendly bunch there,,not like your typical Brit woman

Mickorod Renard: seemed totally oblivious to the cold too,,as they didnt wear much even tho it was winter

arabella Ella: brb

Mickorod Renard: but i think we have become too domesticated now

Mickorod Renard: and this is the issue with Ara's question

Wol Euler listens.

Mickorod Renard: I used to get kids together to play as savages around campfires,,dancing around with sticks

arabella Ella: back

Agatha Macbeth: Kids do that well

Wol Euler: wb

Mickorod Renard: there was nothing more fun

Mickorod Renard: it is etched into their makeup

Agatha Macbeth checks her own makeup

arabella Ella: yes we used to pretend stones were potatoes and play at being shopkeepers

Mickorod Renard: and this is true of adults too,,if given the freedom from judgement

arabella Ella: and we used to build palaces with small stones too

Agatha Macbeth: Hope you didn't eat them too

--BELL--

arabella Ella: some did

Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear

arabella Ella: (lack of calcium we were told ... eat stone)

Mickorod Renard: :)

Agatha Macbeth: I find drinking milk easier

Wol Euler: :)

Mickorod Renard: but i think we will loose our humanity if we become too domesticated

arabella Ella: those were not easy days ... a paycheck had to be really stretched to feed a family

Agatha Macbeth nods @ Ara

Wol Euler: you think we need a touch of raw brutality to be fully human?

Mickorod Renard: yes

Wol Euler: okay

Agatha Macbeth: Dunno what I am then ;-)

arabella Ella: or more contact with nature perhaps

Wol Euler: well, that's why I asked

Wol Euler: is going outside to smell a flower enough?

Agatha Macbeth: Blueberries

Wol Euler: lions :)

Mickorod Renard: i doubt it

arabella Ella does not like brutality at all

arabella Ella: or violence for that matter

Mickorod Renard: are we pretending to be civilized when we do things like meditate,,and drink tea

Agatha Macbeth: There seems to be enough of it about

Wol Euler: those who are pretending, are pretending, yes.

Wol Euler: those who aren't, aren't.

arabella Ella likes Wol's response

Wol Euler: I don't know how else to answer that :)

Wol Euler: it's not either/or

Mickorod Renard: but is there a real inner self that is diferent to what you and I are controling

Wol Euler: perhaps it's the bit that sees that you are controlling?

Wol Euler: in other words, I think that there is, yes.

Wol Euler: and that it is usually drowned out by the surface-layer monkey brain and its toys

Agatha Macbeth: The Naked Ape

Mickorod Renard: so what would that inner self do if the control was no longer required?

Wol Euler: depends on the person in question.

Wol Euler: barely restrained psychopaths would go mad and kill twenty people in a school

Wol Euler: those who alwas wanted to be an artist would tell their bosses to fuck off and stay home to paint

Agatha Macbeth: Good idea :)

Mickorod Renard: I like that one

arabella Ella smiles too

Mickorod Renard: :)

Wol Euler: closeted homosexuals would go out and kiss a right gendered person, for the first time

arabella Ella: :)

Wol Euler: in other words: it depends.

Mickorod Renard: and one could take ones clothes off and dance around a fire free of judgemnt

Wol Euler: sure

Agatha Macbeth: Like witches do

Wol Euler: people do that on a temporary basis via alcohol and other drugs

arabella Ella: or visit a german beach Mick if you wish to do something similar

Agatha Macbeth: Or Amsterdam

Mickorod Renard: too cold

Wol Euler: or at formally-sanctioned occasions like weddings or football finals

Mickorod Renard: but,,this is the thing,,where lies the natural average real person?

Wol Euler: there is no such ting.

arabella Ella: is there one?

Wol Euler: well, wait. You can create an average of all of us, yes. But I wonder what it would tell you

Mickorod Renard: there is the typical conditioned person,,with all the pretenses

Wol Euler: that we have 9.1 fingers?

Wol Euler shuts up and listens.

arabella Ella: would a person with 'pretences' admit to aving 'pretences' i wonder?

Agatha Macbeth: (!)

Mickorod Renard: they would call it something else

arabella Ella: what we consider as a person with pretences is simply some one brought up (conditioned) to behave that way ... though no fault of their own

Mickorod Renard: like self dignity

Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it depends on the nature of the pretences

Mickorod Renard: or manners

arabella Ella: may i give one example?

Wol Euler: please

Mickorod Renard: ok

arabella Ella: where i come from if a local speaks english they are said to be putting on pretences

arabella Ella: yet

arabella Ella: if one is brought up and educated speaking english ... what else is possible for them

arabella Ella: can they help it

arabella Ella: do they do it as a 'pretence'

arabella Ella: and i think that applies for all perceived pretences

Mickorod Renard: i would think they do it out of convenience or practicality

Mickorod Renard: especially here

Agatha Macbeth: What is perceived as a pretence might not be so in fact you mean?

Mickorod Renard: :)

arabella Ella nods

Wol Euler: yes, that is a value judgement on the part of the observer

Agatha Macbeth: True

arabella Ella: even in england you have different accents and different regional accents ... are they not the way the person was raised

Mickorod Renard: but i think I look for pretenses,,so I clasify more as pretenses

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Oh definitely!

arabella Ella: compare someone with a Geordie accent to someone educated at Cambridge for example ... who is to blame ... no one

Agatha Macbeth: An accident of birth

arabella Ella: exactly

arabella Ella: or circumstances

Agatha Macbeth: Mmm

Mickorod Renard: but there is the other extreme,,like for example the dubbed laughter on comedy tv

Wol Euler: a cambridge accent is not pretense in somebody who lives in that environment IMHO

Agatha Macbeth: Don't follow Mick

arabella Ella: exacty Wol that is my point

Mickorod Renard: I would identify certain things as circumstancial to events

Mickorod Renard: but other things as ways to pervert rational thought

Agatha Macbeth: Well 'canned laughter' is certainly a pretence :p

Mickorod Renard: but observing it is an easy and ready way to percieve the background conditioning that goes on

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, true

arabella Ella: but background conditioning is something that was is and always will be there

Mickorod Renard: and as we do here, through practice,,is break the mould from average daily thought

Agatha Macbeth: Or try to :p

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Mickorod Renard: doesnt the world seem diferent now we have been on Pab for so long?

arabella Ella: does it for you mick?

arabella Ella: and how?

Agatha Macbeth: I'd have to think about that :)

Mickorod Renard: providing i havnt slipped back into anasthesia yes

Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't that the Tzar's daughter?

Mickorod Renard: he he he

arabella Ella: yes a romanov

Agatha Macbeth: Yep

Wol Euler: :)

Mickorod Renard: when I was younger, I was described as being like rasputin

Mickorod Renard: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Physically or emotionally?

Mickorod Renard: maybe both

arabella Ella: was that a complement or an offense?

Agatha Macbeth: Oops

Wol Euler: yeah

Mickorod Renard: depends who was making the observation

Mickorod Renard: even my mum used to call me rasputin

Agatha Macbeth: Rasputin Renard :)

Mickorod Renard: I dont have the long bedraggled hair now

arabella Ella: well he was real had to dispose of wasnt he

Agatha Macbeth: You should have called yourself that in SL

arabella Ella: you could always create a new avi mick

Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, Rasputin the alt

Mickorod Renard: I wouldnt want to be pretencious

Mickorod Renard: :)

Agatha Macbeth: :D

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

Wol Euler: pretentious is related to (lack of) integrity

arabella Ella loves to watch Wol's eyebrow raising

Wol Euler: if you set out to *be* Rasputin, it would not be pretentious

Mickorod Renard: I like that description Wol

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: so it's about honesty

Mickorod Renard: yes, and how many of us delve into our inner honesty,,and if we did what would we find,,and would we be able to change?

Mickorod Renard: would we want to change?

Wol Euler: well we certainly can't change without delving.

Agatha Macbeth: A good delve never hurts

Wol Euler: Mick, you keep asking questions that imply that life must be either/or :)

Mickorod Renard: I guess that depends on our conciousness?

Agatha Macbeth: Either/or what tho?

Wol Euler: anything :) whatever.

arabella Ella: or conscience?

Mickorod Renard: yes Ara

Wol Euler: either good (no need to change) or bad (need to change)

Mickorod Renard: so we do the full circle

arabella Ella: but Mick how do you reconcile your 'Rasputin' self with your honest self with a conscience?

arabella Ella: (an example of both / and)

Mickorod Renard: but I wonder how many people delve,,and if they do is it for unscupulous reasons or that of cleansing

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: I probably do it too much actually

Mickorod Renard: thats a danger i feel in myself Ags

Agatha Macbeth nods

Agatha Macbeth: But then I am a Scorpio :))

Mickorod Renard: better watch your tail

Agatha Macbeth: Mmm

arabella Ella: birthday coming up soon then ags

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, end of month

arabella Ella: ah ... a halooween birthday girl

Agatha Macbeth: Just before actually, 29th

Mickorod Renard: are we going to hit a club for your birthday?

Agatha Macbeth: Hit it with what?

Wol Euler: yeah!

Mickorod Renard: yeaaaaa

Agatha Macbeth: Why not?

Mickorod Renard: hope i am here on the day

Mickorod Renard: :)

arabella Ella: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Why, where else will you be?

Mickorod Renard: oooooh,,well, I could be anywhere

Wol Euler: oh, I'll be in Japan :(

arabella Ella: Hiya Ewan!

Agatha Macbeth: Ah, so

arabella Ella: you will?

arabella Ella: really?

Agatha Macbeth: Hello

Wol Euler: but I will try to come inworld to meet you if you'll let me know where and when

Wol Euler: yep

arabella Ella: cool

Wol Euler: hello ewan

Mickorod Renard: Hi Ewan

Agatha Macbeth: Eating sushi

Wol Euler: for breakfast

Agatha Macbeth: Probably

Ewan Bonham: Hi...just thought i would say hello for a few...:)

arabella Ella: is it true that there are 30 million people in Tokyo?

Wol Euler googles.

Mickorod Renard: how many are you saying hello for ewan?

arabella Ella cant google with my new viewer :(

Agatha Macbeth: They'll just about be waking up now I think

Ewan Bonham: hi Mick

Mickorod Renard: :)

Wol Euler: 13 milion (it says here)

arabella Ella: ah ok

Agatha Macbeth: More than a lot of countries

arabella Ella: a japanese guy told me that this morning but 13 and 30 ... lost in translation

Mickorod Renard: a slip of the tongue

arabella Ella: and i actually stuck out my fingers, one with three fingers, the other hand forming a zero

Mickorod Renard: that is a very rude gesture to a japanese person ara

Agatha Macbeth: Hope he didn't think it meant something rude :-0

Ewan Bonham: Are those the symbols used in Japanese?

Wol Euler: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Snap

arabella Ella giggles

Mickorod Renard: I darnt say on this public wiki what it means

arabella Ella hopes not

Agatha Macbeth: That culture thing again folks

arabella Ella: please dont embarass me here Mick :)

Mickorod Renard: :)

Wol Euler listens to the sound of tinkling bells.

Agatha Macbeth: Santa?

Wol Euler: legpull

Mickorod Renard: they are proberbly sending warships to malta now

Agatha Macbeth: Or Eliza?

Agatha Macbeth: I haven't heard Liz's bells for ages now I think of it

arabella Ella: well people on warships make good tourists when they visit for R & R as they often do

Mickorod Renard: thats true

Mickorod Renard: I may need to change my avi,,i actually mistook myself for Yaku the other day

Wol Euler: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Say WHAT???

Agatha Macbeth: Grow some hair Mick

Agatha Macbeth: Like rasputin

Wol Euler: put on a different shirt

Wol Euler: you need a makeover.

Mickorod Renard: I had some,,but a certain lady avi made me shave it off

Agatha Macbeth: Become a black guy

Wol Euler: heh

Agatha Macbeth: Or a woman :)

Wol Euler: in a white suit

Wol Euler: that would be different

Agatha Macbeth: For him it would

Wol Euler: that's what I meant :)

Agatha Macbeth: Oh right

Mickorod Renard: I dunno,,I am sure my male hormones are dying out anyway

Wol Euler grins.

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: thankyou 15 minute bell

Agatha Macbeth: Or Tinker as I call it

Wol Euler: :)

Mickorod Renard: is there some other class on the go at the moment,,I am sure eliza was on

Agatha Macbeth: Hm, I see her as offline

Wol Euler: yes, she just left

Wol Euler: she was here to meet Lucinda

Wol Euler: who also just left

Agatha Macbeth waves to Liz and Luci

Mickorod Renard: ahh

Wol Euler: ah, there's a new Bryn Oh piece opening on November 1

Agatha Macbeth: Ah

Wol Euler: third and sadly last installment of the Rabbicon story

Mickorod Renard: whats this then?

Wol Euler: SL art

Wol Euler: very poetic, poignant

Wol Euler: moving, even :)

Wol Euler: I've come to love and treasure the little rabbicon over the years.

Agatha Macbeth: Bit like the Velveteen Rabbit?

Wol Euler: her pieces are very sad -- very much like that, actually, though totally different :)

Agatha Macbeth: :)

Wol Euler: the sense of hopeless desire and enduring love is the same

Agatha Macbeth: Hmmm

--BELL--

Wol Euler: the us-against-the-world-ness of it all

Agatha Macbeth: Well I'm all for that

Wol Euler smiles.

Mickorod Renard: looks great

Mickorod Renard: I willsave it for later

Wol Euler: it's funny how strongly affective sculptural art can be in SL

Wol Euler: that might be taken as a proof of immersion, of our being embodied in SL, that we can see pixels as volumetric sculpture and be moved by them

Agatha Macbeth: Pixels certainly move me :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Mickorod Renard: I have it in my brouser now,,its got me intrigued

Wol Euler: good :)

Wol Euler: I love her work.

Agatha Macbeth watches Mick being intrigued

Mickorod Renard: I am a sensitive sort,,it wont get me in tears will it?

Wol Euler: I do hope so, mick.

Agatha Macbeth: You were Rasputin half an hour ago!

Wol Euler: it does me.

Mickorod Renard: eeek,,it will me then

arabella Ella: bye everyone good night!

Agatha Macbeth: A sensitive rasputin eh? Whatever next....

Mickorod Renard: I was rasputin about 35 years ago

Ewan Bonham: Bye for now, folks..

Agatha Macbeth: Night Ara, sweet dreams

Mickorod Renard: byr Ara and Ewan

Wol Euler: bye ara, bye ewan

Agatha Macbeth: C ya Ewan

Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend

Agatha Macbeth: Esan sounds good

Mickorod Renard: I need to go too,,thanks for tonite

Mickorod Renard: sleep well

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ras...er, Mick

Wol Euler: bye mick, take care

Mickorod Renard: :)

Mickorod Renard: x x

Wol Euler: yy

Agatha Macbeth: zz

Wol Euler: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Top

Agatha Macbeth does the wave

Wol Euler: airguitars and glued-on beards

Agatha Macbeth: Hehe

Agatha Macbeth: Where are they now?

Wol Euler: probably still rocking out in some redneck bar

Agatha Macbeth: With Lynyrd Skynyrd

Wol Euler: Free bird!

Agatha Macbeth: Yay

Wol Euler: heheheh

Agatha Macbeth: Did they do *anything* else?

Wol Euler: heheh

Agatha Macbeth: That's the only one of theirs i ever seem to hear

Wol Euler: probably, but who would know?

Agatha Macbeth: I like the guitar solo that goes on for about an hour at then end

Wol Euler: sure :)

Wol Euler: that's what keeeps it alive after all these decades

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Well it didn't keep Ronnie van Zant alive unfortunately

Agatha Macbeth: Funny how whatever your viewer is set to, it always gets dusk here round about this time

Wol Euler: one of these RL days I should spend a whole day in SL and see how many dawns there are

Agatha Macbeth: But the odd thing is, it's 3.30 in the afternoon local time!

Wol Euler: right, but there are three or four SL sunrises to each RL day

Wol Euler: the SL day is either 6 or 8 hurs long

Agatha Macbeth: No wonder I always press Ctrl Shift Y

Wol Euler: so logically speaking I'd only have to spend 6 hrs plus a few minutes to be certain of the answer :)

Agatha Macbeth: But will you?

Wol Euler: one of these days, certainly. I've spent that many hours here before on many occasinos

Wol Euler: maybe not tomorrow

Wol Euler: but I will

Agatha Macbeth: Nine hours me, the other Sunday

Wol Euler: heheh

Agatha Macbeth: How sad eh

Wol Euler: no!

Agatha Macbeth: No wonder the garden's always a mess

Agatha Macbeth: Ah, virtual enjoyment

Wol Euler: hire some kid from the neighbourhood

Wol Euler: support the local economy, have a clean garden, and be online.

Agatha Macbeth: No thanks, I don't want everything nicked

Agatha Macbeth: I just panned out and realised everyone else had gone

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: I do that a lot

Agatha Macbeth: ah dear

Agatha Macbeth: Work tomorrow?

Wol Euler: yes, but only briefly, a few hours in the afternoon

Agatha Macbeth: Not bad

Wol Euler: could be worse

Agatha Macbeth: Definitely

Wol Euler: it means I'll have sunday free, and that should be a good day weather-wise

Agatha Macbeth: Yay

Wol Euler: probably still spend the day indoors though :)

Agatha Macbeth: What's the temp like there?

Wol Euler: around 12 to 15 but sunday should be 22

Agatha Macbeth: Not bad for October

Agatha Macbeth: Hope it's ok here, need to cut the back lawn one more time

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Did you rebake just then?

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: changing outfit slightly

Agatha Macbeth: Thought so

Wol Euler: this set has a tailcoat option

Agatha Macbeth: Sweet

Agatha Macbeth looks round the back

Agatha Macbeth: I just noticed we're still recording...

Wol Euler: hehehe

Wol Euler: liza was right

Wol Euler: shall we turn it off?

Agatha Macbeth: Yaku will love us

Agatha Macbeth: Yeah

Wol Euler: he does anyway :)

Agatha Macbeth: Ha

Wol Euler chuckles and reaches for the "off" switch

Wol Euler: wtf?

Agatha Macbeth: Eh?

Wol Euler: wrong button, I guess. force of habit.

Agatha Macbeth: You can post it to him

Wol Euler: I'll mail it to him

Wol Euler: snap

Agatha Macbeth: Snap

Wol Euler: :)

Agatha Macbeth: x2

Wol Euler: it's a pity you aren't coming to the retreat

Agatha Macbeth: Well...

Wol Euler: I know. no pressure.

Agatha Macbeth: Not really my thing

Agatha Macbeth: Plus the expense, plus the hassle

Agatha Macbeth: I don't travel much at all any more

Wol Euler: do you miss it?

Agatha Macbeth: Not the hassle, no!

Wol Euler: heheh

Agatha Macbeth: Geting on this and off that...

Agatha Macbeth: And looking at the clock constantly

Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear me no

Agatha Macbeth: I don't need all that

Agatha Macbeth: I'll just travel round SL instead :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Agatha Macbeth: Eden is about somewhere according to the radar

Wol Euler: not on my minimap

Wol Euler: must be pretty far away

Agatha Macbeth: She's off to the N

Agatha Macbeth: In the air apparently

Agatha Macbeth: Kira?

Wol Euler: oh, you'll be 400 in a week

Agatha Macbeth: ty :)

Wol Euler: she heard you :)

Agatha Macbeth: yes!

Agatha Macbeth: Oh, gone?

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Agatha Macbeth: Maybe she was scouting the land in Baikun they're selling off

Wol Euler: could be

Agatha Macbeth: Just put FR on

Wol Euler: :)

Agatha Macbeth: I listen to it all the time now

Wol Euler: I do at work too, sometimes

Wol Euler: it's often too noisy though, hard to concenrate

Agatha Macbeth: I love Beta's jingles

Wol Euler: heh, yes

Wol Euler: agatha, I'm going to have to go to bed, I'm too tired.

Agatha Macbeth: Ok

--BELL--

Wol Euler: take care, sleep well, and see you tomorrow

Agatha Macbeth: See you at Fracture

Wol Euler: yep:)

Agatha Macbeth: BFN <3

Wol Euler: bfn <3

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It remains one of my favourite books, nearly fifty years after I first heard the story. I would not wish to meet somebody, of any age gender or class, who could read it without shedding at least one tear.