2010.10.01 13:00 - Do you really have time to read?

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    Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database. This was a wonderful session, full of ideas, rambling through many topics on a cheerful autumnal Friday.


    It started in mid-conversation, as several guardians had gathered before the session. We were discussing a book that a friend is writing, on the construction of identity in virtual worlds.


    Wol Euler: one that is unwritten :)
    Wol Euler: or in the process of *becoming*
    Wol Euler: since years now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: vaporware
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: yes, exactly.
    Wol Euler: it's about gender and identity and character, and how we create these in SL
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the name of the author is ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i see something ,,noctis"
    Wol Euler: the SL name is Noctis Oh, but I don't know what name it will be published under
    Bleu Oleander: interesting book for you Wol: "Online a lot of the time" by Ken Hillis
    Bleu Oleander: about ritual, fetish, sign
    Wol Euler: heheheh, that sounds like me. Googling
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, maybe your whip technique would be a good incentive :)
    Wol Euler laughs. It would, definitely, because Noctis has experienced my whip technique :-PPP
    Wol Euler: in RL even
    Alfred Kelberry: oh my :)
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, what?! how did i miss it?! :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Alfred Kelberry: where was i?!
    Alfred Kelberry: ...
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, give me a note next time :)
    Bleu Oleander: whip?
    Wol Euler: yep (to bleu)
    Bleu Oleander: do I want to experience it?
    Wol Euler: thanks for the tip, that looks like a very good book for me to read.
    Wol Euler chuckles. Maybe.
    Bleu Oleander: excellent book
    Alfred Kelberry: bleu, you sound willing :)
    Wol Euler: just love taps, not vicious beatings
    Bleu Oleander: can't whip the willing .... hehe
    Wol Euler: depends on your attitude to a little consensual pain
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Alfred Kelberry: wol, do you really have time to read fiction books?
    Wol Euler: oh yes.
    Wol Euler: there is always time to read!
    Alfred Kelberry: um, ok :)
    Wol Euler: I could sooner do without eating than reading
    Alfred Kelberry: you look rather thin :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler nudges yaku.
    Wol Euler: hello arch, just in time
    Bleu Oleander: bye Wol and Alf
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: i have too many non-fiction titles on my list, so i let movies fill in the fiction part :)
    Alfred Kelberry: bleu :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey arch
    Wol Euler: ah, well there we have it. I don'T know how you have time to watch movies :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least movies are over after an hour
    Alfred Kelberry: exactly! :)
    Wol Euler: but you can read a chapter or even a paragraph at a time
    Alfred Kelberry: thanks, yaku :)
    Alfred Kelberry: boooring :)
    Wol Euler: :-PPPPPPPP
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sadly i am too much child of the modern media
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i appreciate watching a nice movie on the couch below a blanket
    Alfred Kelberry: in fact, some techinical authors do that at times (lyric additions of unknown origin) and it's annoying
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was never able to do the same with a book, sadly
    Archmage Atlantis: I have non-human friend, often called pets....they have their own agenda
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Archmage Atlantis: I like movies, some speak to me, some tv speaks to me, some books
    Wol Euler nods.
    Archmage Atlantis: Even some art, on the walll that is
    Alfred Kelberry: yaku, i think some cosmology book would fit nicely with a blanket :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, stargate universe season 2 just started :P
    Archmage Atlantis: But an art in the blankie.....oh well
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, we lost yaku :)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lost already ended
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: omg! you watched it?! :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, i don't consider my media addiction as very positive tho :P
    Alfred Kelberry: it's like... total nonsense
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's habitual
    Alfred Kelberry: we're all addicted
    Archmage Atlantis: Dpends, and no I don't use those....yet
    Alfred Kelberry: even archy :)
    Alfred Kelberry: um, nice lipstick color, wol
    Alfred Kelberry: eliza! :)
    Archmage Atlantis: It is part of being human, to focus on something intently
    Wol Euler: tjanks
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
    Wol Euler: hello eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi :))
    Wol Euler: remind me what the symbol on your sweater means?
    Alfred Kelberry: tree?
    Eliza Madrigal: OH, these are "Buddha eyes"
    Archmage Atlantis: Need rez traffic controllers some day in the far future
    Eliza Madrigal: Or Arch?
    Wol Euler: oh, I see. I thought that it might have been more specific than that
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, eliza's sweater
    Wol Euler: ty
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, me?
    Eliza Madrigal: It may be :)
    Archmage Atlantis: That is a gift
    Wol Euler: we need arch now, not just in the future
    Archmage Atlantis: It translates in most Asian languages
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, apologies... Lucy and I have a meeting :))
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, have fun :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The symbol I most remember
    Yakuzza Lethecus: have fun
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, bye luci, takie care
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to peek in... Maybe see you guys later (and sorry laggy lines)
    Alfred Kelberry: archy, is it a tree?
    Archmage Atlantis: I a man holding the earth and sky
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks Wol and all!
    Alfred Kelberry: oh... i like it
    Wol Euler: nice
    Darren Islar: hi everyone :)
    Wol Euler: hello darren
    Alfred Kelberry: it's kind of like a western turtle :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey darren
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, darren
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Archmage Atlantis: More turtles than the west can imagine, alf
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Alfred Kelberry: refreshing :)
    Darren Islar: I see two strings and the top of a cartbox in m my viewer :)
    Agatha Macbeth: G'day mates
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Wol Euler whistles. NIce butt.
    Alfred Kelberry: well, it's me, darren :) ...or a part of me
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey agatha :)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Stop
    Alfred Kelberry: crazy humans :)
    Wol Euler: stop
    Darren Islar: hi Agatha
    Wol Euler: nice outfit.
    Archmage Atlantis: It used to be funny
    Agatha Macbeth: Howdy
    Agatha Macbeth: ty
    Archmage Atlantis: Now it is a power play
    Alfred Kelberry: :/
    Agatha Macbeth: Shoot it up the ice
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: aflac
    Alfred Kelberry: well, off me go
    Archmage Atlantis: Quitters
    Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Boxie
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care alf
    Wol Euler: ok, since it's friday here's a quick and easy geek test: Kobayashi Maru.
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless you
    Yakuzza Lethecus: andromeda ?
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: star trek
    Agatha Macbeth: Perseus?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, that's the test
    Yakuzza Lethecus: which kirk cheated
    Wol Euler: I on't know why I thought of htat just now.
    Wol Euler: right.
    Agatha Macbeth: Kirk would never cheat
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he just changed the parameters of the test
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but that's not cheating
    Archmage Atlantis: Aggie, all Kirk did was cheat
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: hello Ara
    Agatha Macbeth: Poor old Jim
    Darren Islar: hi Ara :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara
    Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps that defines us as human
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Archmage Atlantis: To change the parameters, so we never cheat
    Wol Euler: achieving peace with honour
    Wol Euler looks around and realizes that only Arch is old enough to get that
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    arabella Ella: to get which bit Wol?
    Darren Islar: I lost touch already a while ago
    Wol Euler: "peace with honour" is a Richard Nixon quote, about ending the Vietnam war by unilaterally pulling out American troops
    Wol Euler is in a silly mood.
    Agatha Macbeth: I remember that
    Archmage Atlantis: He means I watched Star Trek when it was a new program on tv
    arabella Ella: ah ... so it has a cultural context too
    Wol Euler: helicopters on the embassy roof and all that
    arabella Ella: r u old enough too Ags :)
    Archmage Atlantis: right after color, before square tubes
    Wol Euler: wb aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: ty
    arabella Ella: wb Ags
    Archmage Atlantis: The news today said women mangers earn less'
    Wol Euler: I guess they don't make hay?
    Darren Islar: I'm afraid that is not news
    Agatha Macbeth: Away in a manger
    arabella Ella: less than who or what?
    Wol Euler: as far as I know, women earn less than men at the same level of every profession
    Archmage Atlantis: Then it said, if they have children, they never make up the difference
    Wol Euler nods.
    Archmage Atlantis: I know as an openly gay man, the women held me down in promotions
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like fun Arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: They played to the closeted guys
    arabella Ella: why do you think they did that Arch?
    Darren Islar: well I'm a woman and gay :)
    Archmage Atlantis: What is equatity, fraternity, and freedom?
    Agatha Macbeth: Something to do with the French Revolution?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Aggie, the French did it first
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless 'em
    arabella Ella: will the US follow you think?
    arabella Ella: and is that really the case in France ... I doubt it
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet the Brits found a way through the muidle/muddle......
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, we formed a committee...
    arabella Ella: a quango?
    Archmage Atlantis: Right
    Archmage Atlantis: the committee that never decides
    Agatha Macbeth: That's the one
    Agatha Macbeth: Nothing much changes actually
    Archmage Atlantis: True
    Archmage Atlantis: Still, tiny bits do change
    Archmage Atlantis: And they add up
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Archmage Atlantis: That is why everyone can have a gun in the US
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Mick
    Wol Euler: helo mick
    Archmage Atlantis: If all have them
    Mickorod Renard: hellow my dears
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick!
    Archmage Atlantis: All can use them
    arabella Ella: over 18?
    Archmage Atlantis: over 9
    Darren Islar: hi Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: is that a good thing Arch?
    Agatha Macbeth: Uh oh
    Wol Euler snorts
    arabella Ella: oh no Yaku is starting WW3
    Agatha Macbeth: With bananas
    Darren Islar: bananas :))
    Wol Euler: banana launcher?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: anyone still needs a launcher ?
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Loving you has made me bananas'
    arabella Ella: i hate bananas :(
    Darren Islar: no thanks Yaku :)
    Agatha Macbeth: You already gave me one yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so you can shoot em :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: banana's and lemmings :)
    Darren Islar: more bananas then avatars........
    Agatha Macbeth: Riiiiight...
    Wol Euler: this must be friday.
    Agatha Macbeth: Truly
    Darren Islar: you must feel better :)
    arabella Ella: why cant we be peaceful here?
    Agatha Macbeth: Let's have a lie-in
    Darren Islar: a what?
    arabella Ella: a lie in would be lovely ... better than guns
    Agatha Macbeth: John and Yoko?
    arabella Ella: great idea
    Darren Islar: ah
    arabella Ella: lie in bed
    Agatha Macbeth: In Amsterdam, was it not?
    Darren Islar: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Those were the days
    Mickorod Renard: that must havebeen what all them ladies were asking me to do when I went there last,,I thought they were prostitutes
    Agatha Macbeth: They probably were Mick
    Darren Islar: found a Sgt. Peppers jacket
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Wol Euler: oooooh
    Agatha Macbeth: Darren Islar's Lonely Hearts Club band
    Wol Euler: you need nickel-plated round glasses and a dubiously thick cigarette
    Agatha Macbeth: And a Scouse accent
    Darren Islar: hmmmm, don't hope so actually :)
    Wol Euler: yae
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Darren Islar: hmmmmmm, sorry don't have those I'm afraid :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Just as well maybe
    arabella Ella: and a thick fringe
    Darren Islar: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Mickorod Renard: do you mean a bushy fringe?
    Agatha Macbeth: Lunatic fringe?
    arabella Ella: both
    Agatha Macbeth: Either
    Darren Islar: it is never enough for you guys and girls isn't it ;)
    Agatha Macbeth: No, never ;-)
    Darren Islar: good :)
    Darren Islar: .
    Agatha Macbeth: But that's how we like it!
    Mickorod Renard: what are we dicussing bye the way?
    Agatha Macbeth: Good question
    Darren Islar: fringes?
    Wol Euler: hard to say, mick.
    Darren Islar: I lost the topic since we started :)
    Wol Euler: I think it was the typical Friday free-for-all
    arabella Ella: conscientious objectors?
    Mickorod Renard: I must try to not come out with radical statements tonite
    Agatha Macbeth: Where?
    Wol Euler: oh please do
    Arabella attempts to bring us to seriousness, despite it being a Friday.
    arabella Ella: does anyone here have a conscience?
    Darren Islar: :) Mick
    Agatha Macbeth has Jiminy Cricket
    Wol Euler checks her pockets.
    Mickorod Renard: I have a terible one,,even if I havnt done anything wrong
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am going to sneak out
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
    Wol Euler: bye yaku, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: Sneaky Yaku
    Mickorod Renard: bye yaku
    Mickorod Renard: wasnt arch here?
    arabella Ella: crashed?
    Agatha Macbeth: Didn't see him go
    Darren Islar: going too
    Mickorod Renard: bye darren
    Wol Euler: bye darren, enjoy the weekend
    arabella Ella: good night Darren
    Darren Islar: see you :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Daz
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't smoke too much pot
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder how important life is
    Wol Euler: what was behind your question, ara?
    arabella Ella: i read some stuff on internet recently about conscience
    arabella Ella: and it made me wonder a lot
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    arabella Ella: is it conditioning
    arabella Ella: is it self made
    arabella Ella: how universal is it if it exists at all
    arabella Ella: that sort of questions
    Wol Euler nods thoughtfully
    Mickorod Renard: you could question the whole essence of anything and everything in the same way
    arabella Ella: each individual is meant to have some sort of 'internal' measure of what is good and what is bad
    arabella Ella: some people call that a conscience
    arabella Ella: and it guides our actions and judgement
    Agatha Macbeth: Which varies between individuals presumably?
    arabella Ella nods
    Mickorod Renard: and their cultueres too
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Mickorod Renard: and epoche in time that they exist
    arabella Ella: but why should something be good today which was bad yesterday or good in one culture and bad in another ... is that right?
    arabella Ella: oooops .... shhhhhh
    Mickorod Renard: I sometimes question the value of life...some warrior races find death honourable and war as reason to be
    Mickorod Renard: oops
    arabella Ella: isnt that simply living on the edge Mick? getting adrenaline rushes for different things?
    Agatha Macbeth: It's like saying what's right and what's wrong: everyone has different values
    Mickorod Renard: one blast of exquisite joy would be sufficient to someone,,
    Wol Euler: we share most of our values, though, and they do not change much.
    Wol Euler: it is universally thought to be a bad idea to punch strangers in the nose at random
    arabella Ella: i dont think everyone has different values
    Wol Euler: but some cultures approve of boxing matches
    Agatha Macbeth: Or bullfighting
    Wol Euler: right
    Mickorod Renard: there is something beautiful and exciting when all of a sudden you are on the edge
    Wol Euler nods to Mick
    Mickorod Renard: I can taste the addiction to risk
    arabella Ella: but those who decide to go further dont afford much value to life Mick do they?
    Mickorod Renard: well,,i ponder this often
    Wol Euler: perhaps they do, ara.
    Wol Euler: just a different definition to yours
    arabella Ella: life to me is very valuable ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it comes down to the responsibility we owe to others
    Wol Euler: tehy see the value of life in enjoyment and excitement, not in its length
    arabella Ella: or that we owe ourselves
    Mickorod Renard: as i am getting older I am becoming concerned that I will find life boring without something to spice it up
    Wol Euler: interesting.
    Agatha Macbeth: Which is why you went to Amsterdam? :p
    Wol Euler: heh
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Agatha Macbeth: Naughty Mick
    Mickorod Renard: I went to amsterdam as an errand of mercy
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh?
    arabella Ella: and what did the ladies there want of you Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: I thin they had some problem indoors, as they kept grabbing my jacket and dragging me in
    arabella Ella giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: How many times did they do it then?
    arabella Ella: maybe their plumbing needed fixing poor dears
    Mickorod Renard: every doorway,,very odd,,but friendly bunch there,,not like your typical Brit woman
    Mickorod Renard: seemed totally oblivious to the cold too,,as they didnt wear much even tho it was winter
    arabella Ella: brb
    Mick suddenly turns serious.
    Mickorod Renard: but i think we have become too domesticated now
    Mickorod Renard: and this is the issue with Ara's question
    Wol Euler listens.
    Mickorod Renard: I used to get kids together to play as savages around campfires,,dancing around with sticks
    arabella Ella: back
    Agatha Macbeth: Kids do that well
    Wol Euler: wb
    Mickorod Renard: there was nothing more fun
    Mickorod Renard: it is etched into their makeup
    Agatha Macbeth checks her own makeup
    arabella Ella: yes we used to pretend stones were potatoes and play at being shopkeepers
    Mickorod Renard: and this is true of adults too,,if given the freedom from judgement
    arabella Ella: and we used to build palaces with small stones too
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope you didn't eat them too
    arabella Ella: some did
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
    arabella Ella: (lack of calcium we were told ... eat stone)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I find drinking milk easier
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: but i think we will loose our humanity if we become too domesticated
    arabella Ella: those were not easy days ... a paycheck had to be really stretched to feed a family
    Agatha Macbeth nods @ Ara
    Wol Euler: you think we need a touch of raw brutality to be fully human?
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Wol Euler: okay
    Agatha Macbeth: Dunno what I am then ;-)
    arabella Ella: or more contact with nature perhaps
    Wol Euler: well, that's why I asked
    Wol Euler: is going outside to smell a flower enough?
    Agatha Macbeth: Blueberries
    Wol Euler: lions :)
    Mickorod Renard: i doubt it
    arabella Ella does not like brutality at all
    arabella Ella: or violence for that matter
    Mickorod Renard: are we pretending to be civilized when we do things like meditate,,and drink tea
    Agatha Macbeth: There seems to be enough of it about
    Wol Euler: those who are pretending, are pretending, yes.
    Wol Euler: those who aren't, aren't.
    arabella Ella likes Wol's response
    Wol Euler: I don't know how else to answer that :)
    Wol Euler: it's not either/or
    Mickorod Renard: but is there a real inner self that is diferent to what you and I are controling
    Wol Euler: perhaps it's the bit that sees that you are controlling?
    Wol Euler: in other words, I think that there is, yes.
    Wol Euler: and that it is usually drowned out by the surface-layer monkey brain and its toys
    Agatha Macbeth: The Naked Ape
    Mickorod Renard: so what would that inner self do if the control was no longer required?
    Wol Euler: depends on the person in question.
    Wol Euler: barely restrained psychopaths would go mad and kill twenty people in a school
    Wol Euler: those who alwas wanted to be an artist would tell their bosses to fuck off and stay home to paint
    Agatha Macbeth: Good idea :)
    Mickorod Renard: I like that one
    arabella Ella smiles too
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Wol Euler: closeted homosexuals would go out and kiss a right gendered person, for the first time
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: in other words: it depends.
    Mickorod Renard: and one could take ones clothes off and dance around a fire free of judgemnt
    Wol Euler: sure
    Agatha Macbeth: Like witches do
    Wol Euler: people do that on a temporary basis via alcohol and other drugs
    arabella Ella: or visit a german beach Mick if you wish to do something similar
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Amsterdam
    Mickorod Renard: too cold
    Wol Euler: or at formally-sanctioned occasions like weddings or football finals
    Mickorod Renard: but,,this is the thing,,where lies the natural average real person?
    Wol Euler: there is no such ting.
    arabella Ella: is there one?
    Wol Euler: well, wait. You can create an average of all of us, yes. But I wonder what it would tell you
    Mickorod Renard: there is the typical conditioned person,,with all the pretenses
    Wol Euler: that we have 9.1 fingers?
    Wol Euler shuts up and listens.
    arabella Ella: would a person with 'pretences' admit to aving 'pretences' i wonder?
    Agatha Macbeth: (!)
    Mickorod Renard: they would call it something else
    arabella Ella: what we consider as a person with pretences is simply some one brought up (conditioned) to behave that way ... though no fault of their own
    Mickorod Renard: like self dignity
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it depends on the nature of the pretences
    Mickorod Renard: or manners
    arabella Ella: may i give one example?
    Wol Euler: please
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    arabella Ella: where i come from if a local speaks english they are said to be putting on pretences
    arabella Ella: yet
    arabella Ella: if one is brought up and educated speaking english ... what else is possible for them
    arabella Ella: can they help it
    arabella Ella: do they do it as a 'pretence'
    arabella Ella: and i think that applies for all perceived pretences
    Mickorod Renard: i would think they do it out of convenience or practicality
    Mickorod Renard: especially here
    Agatha Macbeth: What is perceived as a pretence might not be so in fact you mean?
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella nods
    Wol Euler: yes, that is a value judgement on the part of the observer
    Agatha Macbeth: True
    arabella Ella: even in england you have different accents and different regional accents ... are they not the way the person was raised
    Mickorod Renard: but i think I look for pretenses,,so I clasify more as pretenses
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh definitely!
    arabella Ella: compare someone with a Geordie accent to someone educated at Cambridge for example ... who is to blame ... no one
    Agatha Macbeth: An accident of birth
    arabella Ella: exactly
    arabella Ella: or circumstances
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Mickorod Renard: but there is the other extreme,,like for example the dubbed laughter on comedy tv
    Wol Euler: a cambridge accent is not pretense in somebody who lives in that environment IMHO
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't follow Mick
    arabella Ella: exacty Wol that is my point
    Mickorod Renard: I would identify certain things as circumstancial to events
    Mickorod Renard: but other things as ways to pervert rational thought
    Agatha Macbeth: Well 'canned laughter' is certainly a pretence :p
    Mickorod Renard: but observing it is an easy and ready way to percieve the background conditioning that goes on
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, true
    arabella Ella: but background conditioning is something that was is and always will be there
    Mickorod Renard: and as we do here, through practice,,is break the mould from average daily thought
    Agatha Macbeth: Or try to :p
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Mickorod Renard: doesnt the world seem diferent now we have been on Pab for so long?
    arabella Ella: does it for you mick?
    arabella Ella: and how?
    Agatha Macbeth: I'd have to think about that :)
    Mickorod Renard: providing i havnt slipped back into anasthesia yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't that the Tzar's daughter?
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    arabella Ella: yes a romanov
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: when I was younger, I was described as being like rasputin
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Physically or emotionally?
    Mickorod Renard: maybe both
    arabella Ella: was that a complement or an offense?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oops
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Mickorod Renard: depends who was making the observation
    Mickorod Renard: even my mum used to call me rasputin
    Agatha Macbeth: Rasputin Renard :)
    Mickorod Renard: I dont have the long bedraggled hair now
    arabella Ella: well he was real had to dispose of wasnt he
    Agatha Macbeth: You should have called yourself that in SL
    arabella Ella: you could always create a new avi mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, Rasputin the alt
    Mickorod Renard: I wouldnt want to be pretencious
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :D
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Wol Euler: pretentious is related to (lack of) integrity
    arabella Ella loves to watch Wol's eyebrow raising
    Wol Euler: if you set out to *be* Rasputin, it would not be pretentious
    Mickorod Renard: I like that description Wol
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: so it's about honesty
    Mickorod Renard: yes, and how many of us delve into our inner honesty,,and if we did what would we find,,and would we be able to change?
    Mickorod Renard: would we want to change?
    Wol Euler: well we certainly can't change without delving.
    Agatha Macbeth: A good delve never hurts
    Wol Euler: Mick, you keep asking questions that imply that life must be either/or :)
    Mickorod Renard: I guess that depends on our conciousness?
    Agatha Macbeth: Either/or what tho?
    Wol Euler: anything :) whatever.
    arabella Ella: or conscience?
    Mickorod Renard: yes Ara
    Wol Euler: either good (no need to change) or bad (need to change)
    Mickorod Renard: so we do the full circle
    arabella Ella: but Mick how do you reconcile your 'Rasputin' self with your honest self with a conscience?
    arabella Ella: (an example of both / and)
    Mickorod Renard: but I wonder how many people delve,,and if they do is it for unscupulous reasons or that of cleansing
    Agatha Macbeth: I probably do it too much actually
    Mickorod Renard: thats a danger i feel in myself Ags
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: But then I am a Scorpio :))
    Mickorod Renard: better watch your tail
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    arabella Ella: birthday coming up soon then ags
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, end of month
    arabella Ella: ah ... a halooween birthday girl
    Agatha Macbeth: Just before actually, 29th
    Mickorod Renard: are we going to hit a club for your birthday?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hit it with what?
    Wol Euler: yeah!
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaaaa
    Agatha Macbeth: Why not?
    Mickorod Renard: hope i am here on the day
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Why, where else will you be?
    Mickorod Renard: oooooh,,well, I could be anywhere
    Wol Euler: oh, I'll be in Japan :(
    arabella Ella: Hiya Ewan!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, so
    arabella Ella: you will?
    arabella Ella: really?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello
    Wol Euler: but I will try to come inworld to meet you if you'll let me know where and when
    Wol Euler: yep
    arabella Ella: cool
    Wol Euler: hello ewan
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ewan
    Agatha Macbeth: Eating sushi
    Wol Euler: for breakfast
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably
    Ewan Bonham: Hi...just thought i would say hello for a few...:)
    arabella Ella: is it true that there are 30 million people in Tokyo?
    Wol Euler googles.
    Mickorod Renard: how many are you saying hello for ewan?
    arabella Ella cant google with my new viewer :(
    Agatha Macbeth: They'll just about be waking up now I think
    Ewan Bonham: hi Mick
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Wol Euler: 13 milion (it says here)
    arabella Ella: ah ok
    Agatha Macbeth: More than a lot of countries
    arabella Ella: a japanese guy told me that this morning but 13 and 30 ... lost in translation
    Mickorod Renard: a slip of the tongue
    arabella Ella: and i actually stuck out my fingers, one with three fingers, the other hand forming a zero
    Mickorod Renard: that is a very rude gesture to a japanese person ara
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope he didn't think it meant something rude :-0
    Ewan Bonham: Are those the symbols used in Japanese?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    arabella Ella giggles
    Mickorod Renard: I darnt say on this public wiki what it means
    arabella Ella hopes not
    Agatha Macbeth: That culture thing again folks
    arabella Ella: please dont embarass me here Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Wol Euler listens to the sound of tinkling bells.
    Agatha Macbeth: Santa?
    Wol Euler: legpull
    Mickorod Renard: they are proberbly sending warships to malta now
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Eliza?
    Agatha Macbeth: I haven't heard Liz's bells for ages now I think of it
    arabella Ella: well people on warships make good tourists when they visit for R & R as they often do
    Mickorod Renard: thats true
    Mickorod Renard: I may need to change my avi,,i actually mistook myself for Yaku the other day
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Say WHAT???
    Agatha Macbeth: Grow some hair Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Like rasputin
    Wol Euler: put on a different shirt
    Wol Euler: you need a makeover.
    Mickorod Renard: I had some,,but a certain lady avi made me shave it off
    Agatha Macbeth: Become a black guy
    Wol Euler: heh
    Agatha Macbeth: Or a woman :)
    Wol Euler: in a white suit
    Wol Euler: that would be different
    Agatha Macbeth: For him it would
    Wol Euler: that's what I meant :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
    Mickorod Renard: I dunno,,I am sure my male hormones are dying out anyway
    Wol Euler grins.
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou 15 minute bell
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Tinker as I call it
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: is there some other class on the go at the moment,,I am sure eliza was on
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, I see her as offline
    Wol Euler: yes, she just left
    Wol Euler: she was here to meet Lucinda
    Wol Euler: who also just left
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Liz and Luci
    Mickorod Renard: ahh
    Wol Euler: ah, there's a new Bryn Oh piece opening on November 1
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Wol Euler: third and sadly last installment of the Rabbicon story
    Mickorod Renard: whats this then?
    Wol Euler: SL art
    Wol Euler: very poetic, poignant
    Wol Euler: moving, even :)
    Wol Euler: I've come to love and treasure the little rabbicon over the years.
    Agatha Macbeth: Bit like the Velveteen Rabbit?
    Wol Euler: her pieces are very sad -- very much like that, actually, though totally different :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Wol Euler: the sense of hopeless desire and enduring love is the same
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmmm
    Wol Euler: the us-against-the-world-ness of it all
    Agatha Macbeth: Well I'm all for that
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Mickorod Renard: looks great
    Mickorod Renard: I willsave it for later
    Wol Euler: it's funny how strongly affective sculptural art can be in SL
    Wol Euler: that might be taken as a proof of immersion, of our being embodied in SL, that we can see pixels as volumetric sculpture and be moved by them
    Agatha Macbeth: Pixels certainly move me :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Mickorod Renard: I have it in my brouser now,,its got me intrigued
    Wol Euler: good :)
    Wol Euler: I love her work.
    Agatha Macbeth watches Mick being intrigued
    Mickorod Renard: I am a sensitive sort,,it wont get me in tears will it?
    Wol Euler: I do hope so, mick.
    Agatha Macbeth: You were Rasputin half an hour ago!
    Wol Euler: it does me.
    Mickorod Renard: eeek,,it will me then
    arabella Ella: bye everyone good night!
    Agatha Macbeth: A sensitive rasputin eh? Whatever next....
    Mickorod Renard: I was rasputin about 35 years ago
    Ewan Bonham: Bye for now, folks..
    Agatha Macbeth: Night Ara, sweet dreams
    Mickorod Renard: byr Ara and Ewan
    Wol Euler: bye ara, bye ewan
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Ewan
    Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
    Agatha Macbeth: Esan sounds good
    Mickorod Renard: I need to go too,,thanks for tonite
    Mickorod Renard: sleep well
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ras...er, Mick
    Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Mickorod Renard: x x
    Wol Euler: yy
    Agatha Macbeth: zz
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Top
    Agatha Macbeth does the wave
    Wol Euler: airguitars and glued-on beards
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Where are they now?
    Wol Euler: probably still rocking out in some redneck bar
    Agatha Macbeth: With Lynyrd Skynyrd
    Wol Euler: Free bird!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Did they do *anything* else?
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: That's the only one of theirs i ever seem to hear
    Wol Euler: probably, but who would know?
    Agatha Macbeth: I like the guitar solo that goes on for about an hour at then end
    Wol Euler: sure :)
    Wol Euler: that's what keeeps it alive after all these decades
    Agatha Macbeth: Well it didn't keep Ronnie van Zant alive unfortunately
    Agatha Macbeth: Funny how whatever your viewer is set to, it always gets dusk here round about this time
    Wol Euler: one of these RL days I should spend a whole day in SL and see how many dawns there are
    Agatha Macbeth: But the odd thing is, it's 3.30 in the afternoon local time!
    Wol Euler: right, but there are three or four SL sunrises to each RL day
    Wol Euler: the SL day is either 6 or 8 hurs long
    Agatha Macbeth: No wonder I always press Ctrl Shift Y
    Wol Euler: so logically speaking I'd only have to spend 6 hrs plus a few minutes to be certain of the answer :)
    Agatha Macbeth: But will you?
    Wol Euler: one of these days, certainly. I've spent that many hours here before on many occasinos
    Wol Euler: maybe not tomorrow
    Wol Euler: but I will
    Agatha Macbeth: Nine hours me, the other Sunday
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: How sad eh
    Wol Euler: no!
    Agatha Macbeth: No wonder the garden's always a mess
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, virtual enjoyment
    Wol Euler: hire some kid from the neighbourhood
    Wol Euler: support the local economy, have a clean garden, and be online.
    Agatha Macbeth: No thanks, I don't want everything nicked
    Agatha Macbeth: I just panned out and realised everyone else had gone
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: I do that a lot
    Agatha Macbeth: ah dear
    Agatha Macbeth: Work tomorrow?
    Wol Euler: yes, but only briefly, a few hours in the afternoon
    Agatha Macbeth: Not bad
    Wol Euler: could be worse
    Agatha Macbeth: Definitely
    Wol Euler: it means I'll have sunday free, and that should be a good day weather-wise
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Wol Euler: probably still spend the day indoors though :)
    Agatha Macbeth: What's the temp like there?
    Wol Euler: around 12 to 15 but sunday should be 22
    Agatha Macbeth: Not bad for October
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope it's ok here, need to cut the back lawn one more time
    Agatha Macbeth: Did you rebake just then?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: changing outfit slightly
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought so
    Wol Euler: this set has a tailcoat option
    Agatha Macbeth: Sweet
    Agatha Macbeth looks round the back
    Agatha Macbeth: I just noticed we're still recording...
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Wol Euler: liza was right
    Wol Euler: shall we turn it off?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yaku will love us
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeah
    Wol Euler: he does anyway :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Wol Euler chuckles and reaches for the "off" switch
    Wol Euler: wtf?
    Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
    Wol Euler: wrong button, I guess. force of habit.
    Agatha Macbeth: You can post it to him
    Wol Euler: I'll mail it to him
    Wol Euler: snap
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: x2
    Wol Euler: it's a pity you aren't coming to the retreat
    Agatha Macbeth: Well...
    Wol Euler: I know. no pressure.
    Agatha Macbeth: Not really my thing
    Agatha Macbeth: Plus the expense, plus the hassle
    Agatha Macbeth: I don't travel much at all any more
    Wol Euler: do you miss it?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not the hassle, no!
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Geting on this and off that...
    Agatha Macbeth: And looking at the clock constantly
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear me no
    Agatha Macbeth: I don't need all that
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll just travel round SL instead :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Eden is about somewhere according to the radar
    Wol Euler: not on my minimap
    Wol Euler: must be pretty far away
    Agatha Macbeth: She's off to the N
    Agatha Macbeth: In the air apparently
    Agatha Macbeth: Kira?
    Wol Euler: oh, you'll be 400 in a week
    Agatha Macbeth: ty :)
    Wol Euler: she heard you :)
    Agatha Macbeth: yes!
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, gone?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe she was scouting the land in Baikun they're selling off
    Wol Euler: could be
    Agatha Macbeth: Just put FR on
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I listen to it all the time now
    Wol Euler: I do at work too, sometimes
    Wol Euler: it's often too noisy though, hard to concenrate
    Agatha Macbeth: I love Beta's jingles
    Wol Euler: heh, yes
    Wol Euler: agatha, I'm going to have to go to bed, I'm too tired.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok
    Wol Euler: take care, sleep well, and see you tomorrow
    Agatha Macbeth: See you at Fracture
    Wol Euler: yep:)
    Agatha Macbeth: BFN <3
    Wol Euler: bfn <3
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