2010.10.04 01:00 - Entity and non-duality

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Cosmicflower Ushimawa. The comments are by Cosmicflower Ushimawa.


    Bertram Jacobus: good morning cosma :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: good morning Bert
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I was about to log off, thougt no one would come
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: glad you came :)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. sry. hope, i do not detain you !?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: detain?
    Liza Deischer: hi Bert and Cos :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes - could you look it up in your dictionary plz perhaps ?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hi Liza
    Bertram Jacobus: and hi liza ! :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: nice to see you
    Bertram Jacobus: good morning ! :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, I stay because you two came lol
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it was silent first half an hour
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
    Liza Deischer: ah,okay
    Bertram Jacobus: that is what i meant - is that ok for you cosma ? still staying a bit ?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sue, yesss
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: great. but what would you do, when you log off ?! :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: go to bed
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow ! napping a bit !?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yess
    Bertram Jacobus: lol okay :-))
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling
    Bertram Jacobus: and liza - new jeans ? :-)
    Liza Deischer: haven't you been sleeping well cos
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: last nigt maby 7 hours
    Liza Deischer: hmmmm, don't wear it much :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. okay :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but that flu gave up on me
    Liza Deischer: oh, you have that flu, nasty
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and now came back with hurting my huge muscles
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: :D
    Bertram Jacobus: hello zen - good morning ! :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Zen :)
    Zen Arado: Good morning everyone
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Zen ;)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Nice to see you
    Bertram Jacobus: that flu seems to travel over whole europe lol
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: they are fast... those viruses :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but
    Liza Deischer: I'm afraid flu spreads easily
    Zen Arado: I get a vaccination
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I got them herbs
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Liza Deischer: hehehe
    Liza Deischer: one side vaccination, other side herbs :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. especially this one. quick and very agile ;-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hehheh
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: i made at morning also cure to them muscles
    Bertram Jacobus: sometimes i think, the pharma industrie produces them lol ... ;o)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: actually to my shoulders
    Liza Deischer: hehehe
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hot water
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and sea salt
    Liza Deischer: well some virusses do escape, I'm sure
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to towel
    Bertram Jacobus: would be a great deal lol - much money, nice income :o)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and to put the towel on hurt muscle
    Liza Deischer: relaxing...... :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: doctors and pharmacy are married
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: :D
    Zen Arado: flu is bad if you are weak already
    Liza Deischer: an interesting couple
    Liza Deischer: yes it is, flu can be pretty mean
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hehe, yes indeed
    Zen Arado: I can just about get up from bed at the moment
    Bertram Jacobus: and i´m facinated about the diversity of those virusses : all are different, the symptomes always are different, but also when one is traveling, you can say exactly : it will go so and so, shows these symptomes in that order, x days long etc. - when you know it already
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: both gets strenght from each others
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: :)
    Liza Deischer: but then you already have the flu Zen?
    Zen Arado: there was a big scare last year but the flu didn't happen
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, simo woke up, will go to give him food. brb
    Bertram Jacobus: ah yes. also a quite strange thing ...
    Liza Deischer: the big flu no
    Zen Arado: no I haven't had flu for 20 years or more
    Bertram Jacobus: ok cosma
    Bertram Jacobus: hello arch ! :-)
    Liza Deischer: ah,now I understand
    Liza Deischer: it is getting busy :)
    Zen Arado: but if I got weaker from flu I would be scared
    Liza Deischer: yes, I understand Zen
    Zen Arado: that's why I get vaccination
    Liza Deischer: it took a while though
    Liza Deischer: hi Arch :)
    Zen Arado: hi Arch
    Bertram Jacobus: and why do you wear a beatles t shirt zen ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: [oops]
    Archmage Atlantis: Heym, hey , hey.....good enriries here
    Zen Arado: ha - I changed to viewer yesterday for a while and it changed my clothes
    Archmage Atlantis: Gotta find better glasses
    Zen Arado: viewer 2 I mean
    Liza Deischer: yes V2 is doing that
    Zen Arado: but I like the Beatles too
    Liza Deischer: well to me Arch you are still a cloud
    Bertram Jacobus: what are enriries !? entities arch ? ;o)
    Archmage Atlantis: I gave v2 a long test
    Liza Deischer: black looks better on you Zen :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I am usingin phoenixs now
    Bertram Jacobus: entity is a strange word to me ... not very clear ... bit nebulous ... ;-)
    Zen Arado: I was rtying to find a place yesterday and the slurl started v2
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Zen Arado: Urban Guru Cafe
    Archmage Atlantis: Entities are beings who unerstand they are beings
    Liza Deischer: that is the default
    Liza Deischer: but you can change that
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - do you others also have that understanding of the meaning of the word "entity" ?
    Zen Arado: it only said it was going to start v2 so I started it myself
    Zen Arado: actually it didn't - it started Phoenix
    Liza Deischer: :)
    Liza Deischer: entity is not a word to me that is pretty clear
    Zen Arado: an entity is something we aren't I think :)
    Liza Deischer: but I can imagine the definition Arch just gave
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, phonix wing time
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and zen : were you at that guru cafe ? and if so , what is it , plz ? :-)
    Zen Arado: it is a place where they talk about non duality
    Bertram Jacobus: heyy cal ! good morning ! :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Cal :)
    Zen Arado: http://urbangurucafe.com/
    Zen Arado: Hi Cal :)
    Bertram Jacobus: non duality ... that is always the topic there ?
    Zen Arado: yes I thnk so
    Liza Deischer: interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: Did someone say non-duality?
    Bertram Jacobus: ty for the link ...
    Archmage Atlantis: If I say I am only part human, does that have meaning?
    Liza Deischer: I should have a look there
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello, hmmm all my favorite people :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. yes cal. zthat was zen ... :o)
    Liza Deischer: when do they meet Zen ?
    Bertram Jacobus points at him :o)
    Zen Arado: Darryl Bailey's talk was interesting
    Zen Arado: they had a meeting yesterday at 6am SLT
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t know arch - may be you can say a bit more about that ? plz ?
    Zen Arado: they have one during the week but at 7pm SLT I think
    Liza Deischer: and that was with Darryl Bailey?
    Liza Deischer: oh, bad time for me
    Archmage Atlantis: tiger, tiger, burning bright, in the forest of the night
    Zen Arado: no with an American guy
    Zen Arado: I asked him a lot of questions
    Zen Arado: ason something
    Zen Arado: Jason
    Zen Arado: bad time for Europeans
    Bertram Jacobus: (whaow - arch rezzed finally) ! :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: One's mind is many
    Liza Deischer: yes, in the middle of the night
    Zen Arado: but 6am one is ok
    Zen Arado: it's just my current interest
    Liza Deischer: yes 6 am is okay
    Liza Deischer: is mine interest too :)
    Liza Deischer: of any Buddhist I guess
    Zen Arado: I can give LM if you are interested
    Bertram Jacobus: and yes arch - in hermann hesse´s "steppenwolf" that is a strong and metioned point, put into very nice pictures - the multiplicity of humans ! ...
    Liza Deischer: sure, would like that
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: back
    Liza Deischer: thanks
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Cos, flower
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Arch and Cal <3<3<3
    Zen Arado: wb Cos :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
    Calvino Rabeni: <3<3<3 Cosmicflower :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: read them lines
    Bertram Jacobus: wb cosma :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ty
    Bertram Jacobus: and non duality ... hmmm ... so seemingly paradox : talking and reading and thinking about it, dealing with it , no ? but i agree : can be very and really entertaining ! (?) :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: It amuses me....that all we are able to conceive is duality, or non
    Archmage Atlantis: Triality
    Archmage Atlantis: Auadality
    Zen Arado: oneness
    Archmage Atlantis: Duodecality
    Archmage Atlantis: all exist
    Zen Arado: oneness without a second they say
    Bertram Jacobus: to me it´s not knowing
    Liza Deischer: what is not knowing?
    Zen Arado: or not clinging to knowing
    Bertram Jacobus: i can´t be sure finally is my impression
    Zen Arado: I have to go and do my shopping
    Liza Deischer: if there is non-duality, it is both knowing and not knowing
    Zen Arado: bye all
    Liza Deischer: bye Zen
    Bertram Jacobus: not knowing is an impression that all could be different to that what i experience and think liza
    Zen Arado: thanks for discussion
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: bye Zen
    Bertram Jacobus: bey zen -
    Archmage Atlantis: Zen, in a wheelchair?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Good to see You
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: looks at dictionary "duality"
    Liza Deischer: yes, he hasa desease on his muscles
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah
    Liza Deischer: since birth, is slowly getting worse
    Bertram Jacobus: and he has helpers who come - may be he "goes" out with such a person ...
    Liza Deischer: but you should ask Zen about it :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I so also Lisa
    Liza Deischer: in a wheelchair Arch?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: so, we all have pain in our muscles here
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: LOL
    Liza Deischer: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: No, only a cane for now
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe lol. yes ! me too - but only a little i "must admit" (?) ;-)
    Liza Deischer: ok
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling ;)
    Liza Deischer: I've got loads to do, so need to go
    Bertram Jacobus: ok bye liza have a nice day ! *wave*
    Liza Deischer: bye everyone, se you all :)
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye Lisa
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Bye Liza
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: on the log
    Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: So, my best PAb friends
    Archmage Atlantis: well, except Bruce
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3 I love You too Arch ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: I think I am supposed to reply in sanskrt
    Archmage Atlantis: But German wil have to do......Ich liebe ich
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sanskrt
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - love is all around ? ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and which kind of love may it be ? philia or agape ? or even eros ? ;-)
    Calvino Rabeni: those are all 1
    Archmage Atlantis: Not eros.......that is confusing
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling
    Calvino Rabeni: for nondualists:)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: i feel too not to separate them
    Bertram Jacobus: confusing !? interesting point ! ... hm ... :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Back in the beginning of thought, when we became more than only animals
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3
    Bertram Jacobus: i think "animal" and "human" are words ... but i don´t see, that a human shall be more specific as for example a dolphin (?)
    Archmage Atlantis: Back to the definition of entities.......
    Bertram Jacobus: being aware ...
    Archmage Atlantis: Life with a knowing it is life
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: dolpins are beatifull
    Archmage Atlantis: As are Orca
    Bertram Jacobus: on the one hand i don´t like so much the human idea being very special and in this way also seperated. on the other ... as i said before : i feel unknowing ... at least in a way - but : feeling good is the most important to me. and this for all beings
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet, Orca devour flesh.....dolphin devour fish
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: goes to change pants for simo :) he is talking to You very much ;) siting on my arms
    Archmage Atlantis: Are we able to design a more loving world that was given to us?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: nowstarted to smell a bit ***
    Bertram Jacobus: so - if ones "insights" lead somebody to a good feeling and behaviour, to ethics and so on - which ever his "insights" may be - that is ok to me ...
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe lol hy simo ! ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: I love that Simo comes to hear in the circle with you Cos
    Bertram Jacobus: and yes arch - i think at least we can try to love and that myay help
    Archmage Atlantis: Poopy and all
    Bertram Jacobus: yesterday i read for instance a wonderful word from the dalai lama : it doesn´t matter if somebody believes in rebirth or in religions. but everybody appreciates loving kindness and compassion (!) ...
    Archmage Atlantis: I suppose I could change diapers, (ugh), if I loved someone.....like my mm an ad
    Bertram Jacobus: i like to become able to do such for all
    Bertram Jacobus: and another idea i associate to your point (make the world a bit better) is : we should be aware how much even little actions cause big reactions (!) ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and i again and again forget that ... sadly ... but then remeber again ... and so on ...
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think i will go to bed now to have a day dream with Simo
    Archmage Atlantis: You are a good entity, Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: okay cosma - sounds wonderful - i think you will enjoy that ! :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: heh yes I di :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: do
    Bertram Jacobus: so cu later :-))
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yess
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: enjoy all
    Bertram Jacobus: and ty ! for your having been here ! ... :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: yes, time to go and reflect
    Calvino Rabeni: And I as well .. TC all :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i agree - bye all ... :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: bye
    Bertram Jacobus: ty all -
    Calvino Rabeni: bye
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye Cal

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