2010.10.06 13:00 - O Si Yo

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.


    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Hello Barce
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i think we never met before
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or once
    Fefonz Quan: I think we did shortly, in my previous session
    Fefonz Quan: ("my") :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Barcalona Rhapsody: our
    Fefonz Quan: yep
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i like it here
    Fefonz Quan: me too. for quite a long time now...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: nice people and relaxed communication style
    Fefonz Quan: indeed
    Barcalona Rhapsody: with respect and humor
    Barcalona Rhapsody: what are your interests today ?
    Fefonz Quan: could you rephrase?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: what are your intersts today ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: interests
    Barcalona Rhapsody: items ?
    Fefonz Quan: the identical rephrasing, hmmm...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: issues ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: what u mean ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: rephrasing ?
    Fefonz Quan: i think i have a slight language problem here,
    Fefonz Quan: (not being a native english speaker)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: me too
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i am dutch
    Fefonz Quan: I thought rephrasing is saying something in different words, not the same
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo.
    Fefonz Quan: Hello Freud
    Freud Jungsten: How be you today?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi freud
    Fefonz Quan: great, and you?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: good thnx
    Fefonz Quan: have you been here before Freud?
    Freud Jungsten: Was busy for a bit.... but now the office has quited down a bit.... so some time for SL.
    Freud Jungsten: I have.
    Freud Jungsten: You?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: we never met before freud
    Fefonz Quan: good thanks, we haven't met so i should ask it considering the recording etc.
    Freud Jungsten: As normal, please do.... smiles
    Fefonz Quan: I have, for almost 2 years now
    Barcalona Rhapsody: what is your mother language ? fefonz ?
    Fefonz Quan: hebrew
    Freud Jungsten: Only stopped by here for eth last month or so.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Freud Jungsten: Tsalagi.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: intersting
    Freud Jungsten: Oh sorry.
    Fefonz Quan: what is tsalagi?
    Freud Jungsten: Cherokee.
    Fefonz Quan: ah, i see.
    Freud Jungsten: Native American Language.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: indian ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: african ?
    Freud Jungsten: native American.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: intersting i am native dutch
    Freud Jungsten: Lol.. and us all talking in English...
    Fefonz Quan ain't sure it's the sme...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so we may thank columbus
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and our teachers English
    Freud Jungsten: Thinking Colmubus would prety much get your beat up in my crowd, so lets not please.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sorry
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and dutch kolonists neither ?
    Fefonz Quan: ( i thought so too)
    Freud Jungsten: lol.. ANcient History though really.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: maybe i have to listen
    Barcalona Rhapsody: lets talk about future
    Fefonz Quan: you should know Freud that mostly we are more polite here
    Freud Jungsten: OK.
    Fefonz Quan: ;-)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Freud Jungsten: THere are just certian things that I must comment on.
    Freud Jungsten: But I will be polite when I do....
    Freud Jungsten: Or at least ry.
    Freud Jungsten: try
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Fefonz Quan: (I didn't mean that YOU were impolite)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: no it was me
    Freud Jungsten: OH OK..
    Fefonz Quan: yep
    Freud Jungsten: SOrry, I miss subtletees in English a bit.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok sorry
    Freud Jungsten: SO did I interupt?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: not
    Fefonz Quan: no, not at all.
    Fefonz Quan: infact we just started, and no specific subject of discussion was on the air
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi guys
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo Wol, Agatha.
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Fefonz Quan: (Hi Agatha, Wol)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Wol :))
    Wol Euler waves silent.y
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi ladies
    Freud Jungsten: I have never been here for a realy in depth discusion so far.
    Agatha Macbeth waves silent.y back
    Freud Jungsten: Alwasy been casual chat, wich is fine by me.
    Freud Jungsten: So what are the normal topcis?
    Agatha Macbeth: Do we have normal topics?
    Fefonz Quan: maybe now that Wol is here, we canhave real discussion instead of just casual chat :)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Freud Jungsten: Verbalicious sounds like a verbalicious work Agatha.
    Freud Jungsten: word
    Agatha Macbeth: Sure is :p
    Freud Jungsten: I soooo can't type today... way lagged.
    Agatha Macbeth: And work!
    Wol Euler nods. The pool is hexagonal for me. Reallllllllllyyy laggy
    Agatha Macbeth: I see the lindens are sending us new TOS to sign
    Freud Jungsten: Ben a while though.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: well i go again bye folks
    Wol Euler: yeah, did anyone read it?
    Freud Jungsten: Must have goten sued again.
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Barca
    Fefonz Quan: Bye Barca
    Wol Euler: bye barca, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: No, just agreed to it
    Wol Euler: the preamble said that the change was related to closing down the XStreet online store
    Freud Jungsten: THe changes said something about if you continue to use SL for 30 days after a new TOS, then you pasivly agree.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, tacit consent
    Wol Euler: though in point of fact, you cannot log on without agreeing.
    Agatha Macbeth: This is true
    Freud Jungsten: I thought it strange.
    Wol Euler: it is explicit, next time you long on you'll be presented with the dialog
    Freud Jungsten: But lawyers have ways of twisting things.
    Wol Euler: though it's a strange kind of "choice"
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll get me a lawyer next time...
    Fefonz Quan: are there SLawyers?
    Freud Jungsten: Probably not worth the hygiene and self respect issues that may cuase you.
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Greenberg and Liebermann rings a bell
    Wol Euler: like telling somebody who lives in a penthouse in Manhattan with a huge circle of friends, that they have the choice of moving to a trailer in the middle of the mojave desert
    Agatha Macbeth: They might go for it
    Freud Jungsten: Moving to a desert sounds good to me.
    Agatha Macbeth: Call it a retreat :p
    Fefonz Quan: yes, some monk forced monk time
    Agatha Macbeth pictures a forced monk
    Wol Euler: sure, but don't compare the trailer to your penthouse, nor being alone to a circle of friends
    Fefonz Quan: (he, great minds think alike)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, now i get the point Wol
    Freud Jungsten: Well, mid you, ther are some mighty fine trainors these days... smiles
    Freud Jungsten: trailors
    Wol Euler: thinking of the choice: you don'T have to agree to be in SL, you could go off to OpenSim instead
    Agatha Macbeth: I never wear 'em
    Agatha Macbeth: Some choich eh?
    Agatha Macbeth: choice
    Wol Euler: yep
    Freud Jungsten: WHere what?
    Freud Jungsten: Wear what?
    Fefonz Quan: or just stay in cruel RL :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Trainers
    Wol Euler: egad, fef, the worst option of all
    Fefonz Quan: yes, cruality itself
    Freud Jungsten: Must be missing something.
    Agatha Macbeth: I think we all are
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Freud Jungsten grins
    Wol Euler: the multithreaded conversation is coming apart at teh seams
    Freud Jungsten: I am missing something chocolate right now.
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway...
    Fefonz Quan: Freud, i think this chat is our twisted way to show the nourmous fer we have of being banned out of SL
    Fefonz Quan: enormous*
    Wol Euler nods
    Fefonz Quan: fear*
    Agatha Macbeth: yep
    Freud Jungsten: Never managed to be banned from SL..
    Freud Jungsten: And been in here since 2005.
    Fefonz Quan: you see, my subconsciousness doesn't even let me write it down correctly :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, me either...yet
    Freud Jungsten: Had a couple of prifiles die horrible deaths though.
    Fefonz Quan: wow, you are a veteran Freud
    Freud Jungsten: Joined SL in Fall semester of 05 to do a paper on cybersex.... lol
    Fefonz Quan tries to picture horrible SL death
    Agatha Macbeth: A vet, yet
    Freud Jungsten: Was an eyeopener for sure.
    Agatha Macbeth: I can believe it
    Fefonz Quan: did you finish up the paper?
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Freud Jungsten: Imagine an all black AV, groussly miss shappen and a completely unreconizable inventory.
    Freud Jungsten: I did... got an A as well.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Fefonz Quan: nice :)
    Freud Jungsten: Was rather annoying... go figure.
    Agatha Macbeth: Well i can relate to the inventory at least
    Fefonz Quan: maybe some day we'll get paper view
    Freud Jungsten: paper view?
    Fefonz Quan: yes, indeed tough image of the AV
    Freud Jungsten: But all in all, I think SL is a great product.... I really enjoy it despite it's flaws.
    Fefonz Quan: (Wol, you can say that i am in charge of the bad word-games here)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: it's true
    Freud Jungsten: bad-worse games?
    Fefonz Quan: exactly
    Freud Jungsten: Sory, idiums still puzz`le me.
    Agatha Macbeth: Idioms?
    Freud Jungsten: English spelling also puzzles me.
    Freud Jungsten: bad-worse games?
    Agatha Macbeth: You should see irish spelling ;-)
    Wol Euler: ((this is far too laggy and ugly, I'm going to reboot and try again. back in a bit))
    Agatha Macbeth waves
    Freud Jungsten: You should see Tsalagi spelling.
    Fefonz Quan: laggly
    Agatha Macbeth: Does it have its own script?
    Freud Jungsten: 84 charaters in our sylibary.
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Fefonz Quan: oh, a lot
    Fefonz Quan: how many vowels?
    Agatha Macbeth: Thx Freud, wow...
    Freud Jungsten: THere are essentaly 6 vowels, but they are inherent wiht a concenant to their own character.
    Fefonz Quan: thanks Freud
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Freud Jungsten: SO there are difernt characters for ci, vi, ri, ti, li, pi etc.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku
    Fefonz Quan: Heyaku!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey guys
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo Yakuzza
    Freud Jungsten: ANd gals.... smiles
    Fefonz Quan: what is O si yo? hello?
    Agatha Macbeth: ty :)
    Freud Jungsten: Hello in Tsalagi.
    Freud Jungsten: INformal, but not intamate.
    Fefonz Quan: it has a nice sound to it
    Agatha Macbeth: Thats cute
    Freud Jungsten: What is cute?
    Agatha Macbeth: INformal, but not intamate.
    Agatha Macbeth: (sic)
    Freud Jungsten: Wel, in Tsalagi, you don't say hello to a loved one.
    Agatha Macbeth: No?
    Fefonz Quan: (sic?)
    Freud Jungsten: You use ther name.
    Freud Jungsten: their
    Agatha Macbeth: Right, that's interesting
    Freud Jungsten: WEl, that depends really.
    Freud Jungsten: I guess some don't.
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo Wol.
    Wol Euler: hello again
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Wol
    Fefonz Quan: wb Wol
    Wol Euler: ty
    Freud Jungsten: There are three recongnized bands of Cherokee and we can not agree on the language..... lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Yaku pinched your parking space
    Fefonz Quan: sounds like jewish Freud hehe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Freud Jungsten: lol.. maybe.
    Liza Deischer: hi everyone :)
    Wol Euler: hello liza
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo Liza.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liza
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Liza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey liza
    Agatha Macbeth: Lot of famous people with cerokee ancestry
    Agatha Macbeth: +h
    Liza Deischer: I'm glad to see you are yourself today Wol :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Elvis, Jimi hendrix, david carradine
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    Freud Jungsten: If you are from Oklahoma or the Carolinea, you have some cherokee in your family.
    Fefonz Quan: have you been someone else lately Wol?
    Wol Euler: it's left over from yesterday, there were alts around and tags reading "I'm really X"
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Agatha Macbeth: Silly game
    Liza Deischer: :)
    Fefonz Quan: ah, interesting. mostly where all of us here are 'no ourselves' in a way
    Wol Euler: yeah, I try to keep my alts' lives separate :)
    Liza Deischer: hmmmm, not sure Fonz
    Agatha Macbeth: Me too, or they argue :p
    Wol Euler: right
    Freud Jungsten: OH.. I get it.. smiles
    Freud Jungsten: I need to make me an alt realy.
    Fefonz Quan tries hard not to say 'just don't do shift-alt-del')
    Wol Euler: but Freud must be an alt herself if you#ve been in SL since 2005
    Agatha Macbeth: What does that do?
    Liza Deischer: :) Fonz
    Freud Jungsten: My previous AVS died.
    Liza Deischer: or dy
    Wol Euler: what? how?
    Fefonz Quan: i guess it moves the alt left and then delete it...
    Freud Jungsten: SO that is why I need and alt, so when Freud dies, I will have somethign to pick up..
    Fefonz Quan: sounds like SL reincarnation in action
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe a cultural thing?
    Wol Euler: how do avs die? I've never heard of that
    Freud Jungsten: My AV wnet all black and misshapen, then the inventory became unreadable.
    Wol Euler: oh, I see.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
    Freud Jungsten: Was a common problem 4 years ago.
    Agatha Macbeth: Teething troubles
    Liza Deischer: ah okay
    Liza Deischer: first time I hear about it
    Freud Jungsten: Arcadia Asylum was the most notable victim.
    Agatha Macbeth: Me too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i only know that alts can turn out all black :)
    Liza Deischer: but then I'm just growing up in sl :)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Fefonz Quan: in what sense was she famous?
    Freud Jungsten: She was the most prolific builder int eh first 2 years of SL... one day her alt dies.... bad day for SL.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: coming to age in secondlife
    Wol Euler: a great book
    Freud Jungsten: Check out the Arcadia Asylum group.
    Agatha Macbeth searches
    Wol Euler: http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Age-Sec.../dp/0691135282
    Freud Jungsten: arcadia asylum recovery
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
    Liza Deischer: she didn't re-appear in a new incarnation?
    Freud Jungsten: Wow.... so lagged, but Agatha and Wol are runnign very hard to draw AVs.. well over 4000 rendering costs.
    Freud Jungsten: I don't htink anyone knows.
    Agatha Macbeth: That's a real shame
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe she came back incognito?
    Wol Euler: I was thinking that
    Fefonz Quan: (we tend to keep silence in those 90 sec)
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Freud Jungsten: SOrry.. so lagged I was typing before I saw the green lines.
    Agatha Macbeth: I didn't even notice the bell
    Freud Jungsten: So anyway, in the early days of SL, profiles were not stable.
    Fefonz Quan: Think i'll hit the sack, good night all
    Wol Euler: 'night fef, sleepwell
    Liza Deischer: nit Fonz :)
    Liza Deischer: nite
    Agatha Macbeth: Careful it doesn't hit you back Fonz
    Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i Fefonz.
    Wol Euler: save up on sleep, you gon't get much once the baby is born!
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Liza Deischer: baby?
    Fefonz Quan: thanks Freud, it sounds like a good way to say it
    Liza Deischer: wow
    Agatha Macbeth: Fonz is pregnant?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Good lord
    Fefonz Quan: ms. fonz in fact :)
    Freud Jungsten: Till we meet again.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Fefonz Quan runs away from this outing here ;-)
    Wol Euler: sorry :)
    Freud Jungsten: RUn.
    Agatha Macbeth: HA!
    Freud Jungsten: I soooo need to go for a nice long run this evening.
    Fefonz Quan: waves goodbye
    Liza Deischer: waves
    Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Fonzie
    Freud Jungsten: One more hour.
    Freud Jungsten: So what is next?
    Wol Euler: onigokko
    Wol Euler: sotp
    Wol Euler: stop
    Freud Jungsten: I'M GONNA BE A MONKEY!!!
    Agatha Macbeth: Now when did i take that off?
    Freud Jungsten: lol
    Agatha Macbeth throws freud a banana
    Freud Jungsten: Thanks.
    Freud Jungsten: Need the potasium.
    Freud Jungsten: Thot or chocoate.. of corse.
    Wol Euler prefers chocolate
    Liza Deischer: or both
    Freud Jungsten: Agreed.
    Agatha Macbeth: Or chocolate bananas
    Freud Jungsten: Just remember, the lack of chocolate is the roote of all evil..
    Liza Deischer: with icecream
    Agatha Macbeth: And great for your teeth
    Freud Jungsten: I cant eat icecream.
    Freud Jungsten: Way lactose intollerent.
    Wol Euler: :(
    Agatha Macbeth: Ouch
    Wol Euler: how about sorbet, or yoghurt?
    Liza Deischer: isn't that in choclate
    Liza Deischer: ?
    Freud Jungsten: Or let me rephrase that, I choose nto toeat it fo teh comfort of those that have to be around me 12 hours later... smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Freud Jungsten: When you have to make half your desert lactiad, you are missing the point.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I can see that
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Freud Jungsten: So, if I may aks, where if everyone from?
    Wol Euler: Canadian but I live in Germany
    Liza Deischer: Holland
    Agatha Macbeth: UK me
    Liza Deischer: this is a late night european gathering, most of the time
    Freud Jungsten: Oklahoma here, near TUlsa.
    Wol Euler: tornado alley?
    Freud Jungsten: No, that is more down south of Ardmore.
    Freud Jungsten: I have only been in a few up here.
    Liza Deischer: I'm going to find out if my bed is still in the same place
    Freud Jungsten: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: ??
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Wol Euler: don't get lost!
    Freud Jungsten: OK.... ciao bella.
    Agatha Macbeth: Does it walk?
    Liza Deischer: by everyone :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight, liza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night liza
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liza
    Liza Deischer: I hope not Wol :)
    Freud Jungsten: And I need to get bakc to that RL thing for a bit.
    Wol Euler: enjoy :)
    Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: Do na...thingy
    Wol Euler: goodnight freud, goodnight yaku
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, and er goodnight yaku
    Agatha Macbeth blinks
    Agatha Macbeth: Did he have an appointment or something?
    Wol Euler: nah, just always in a hurry
    Wol Euler: AFAIK
    Wol Euler: TTBOMKAB
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we scare him :)
    Wol Euler: well, yeah :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Poor Yaku [grin]
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if he'll ever find his other shoe?
    Wol Euler: isn't there a saying about the shoe falling = acquiring wisdom?
    Agatha Macbeth: Never undedrstood that saying
    Agatha Macbeth: -d

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