2010.10.07 07:00 - Mandalas, Marzipan, and Mourning

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray. I subbed for Storm at this session - attended by Dao, Arch, Alfred, and Lucinda.

    Changing t-shirts and viewers

    Alfred Kelberry: oi, Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Alfred, and Oi to you, too!
    Alfred Kelberry: mandalana? how is it called? :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Dao.
    Bruce Mowbray: welcome.
    Alfred Kelberry: you have a new pattern today :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, Dao
    Dao Yheng: Hi Alfred, Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Dao -- I notice that you are in the Ways of Knowing group, so you have been here before and know that we post our chats on a wiki -- and that's OK with you?
    Dao Yheng: yes, thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- thanks!
    Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Arch!
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, mandala - that's it
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, Archy
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, Al, it's the ol' blue lotus t-shirt again.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Alfred, Bruce, Dao
    Alfred Kelberry: universe in form of a lotus
    Archmage Atlantis: Symmetry, symmetry....all is symmetry....except when it isn't.......:)


    Archmage Atlantis: And being an old blue lotus doesn't sound that bad.....although in RL I don't think Lotus flowers come in blue
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: I am using the Phoenix Viewer for just the second time this morning -- and am loving it, although still finding my way around the controls.
    Bruce Mowbray: I finally gave up on SL's Version Two viewer. . . too many problems with that one.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I finally gave up on v2
    Alfred Kelberry: i like v2
    Archmage Atlantis: My biggest problem with v2 is the way the text was presented......it was difficult for me to follow
    Alfred Kelberry: archy, there's an option to make chat like in v1
    Archmage Atlantis: I was reading the PaB wiki a bit before the meeting
    Dao Yheng: (woops, RL calls -- nice to meet you all! Bye)
    Archmage Atlantis: I tried all the options I saw Alfie, maybe it's my video card, but they were all difficult
    Alfred Kelberry: ok :)
    Alfred Kelberry: see you, Dao
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Dao -- Have a good day!
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow -- I now have so many windows popping up that I can't even see who is here....
    Alfred Kelberry: it's interesting how many ideas from Greek philosophers (later Romans) found their way to Buddhism
    Archmage Atlantis: Has to be the other way I think......or maybe not....have to compare the times each lived
    Bruce Mowbray: Given the time-line, AL, maybe some of those ideas came into the Greek world from the East.
    Bruce Mowbray: (same thought as Arch.)
    Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, could be...
    Bruce Mowbray: Did you have any particular "Greek" ideas in mind, Al?


    Archetypes and culture

    Archmage Atlantis: Socrates 469 BCE - 399 BCE --- Siddharta (the Buddha) 563 BCE to 483 BCE
    Archmage Atlantis: Close in time, tho
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, the idea of god within us, of detachment, of natural being inside that guides us
    Bruce Mowbray: Some speculate that Jesus also had contacts with Eastern thinkers
    Archmage Atlantis: That has to be very likely, Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, although I have a bit different "take" on all of that.
    Bruce Mowbray: I agree with Jung that the major "archetypes" [in thought] will emerge in any/every cultural setting. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: especially those archetypes that are "adaptive" to that culture's survival.
    Archmage Atlantis: I agree with that Bruce, at least up to a point
    Archmage Atlantis: Evolution in thought does occur
    Bruce Mowbray: Even with individuals -- who might have no contact with (or experience with) the teachings themselves - - They still might discover them for themselves.
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree with that also, Bruce, again up to a point
    Bruce Mowbray: Have you folks had the experience of reading something "new" and then saying to yourself, "Hey -- I've been thinking that for years!"
    Archmage Atlantis: Similar, yes, more like, "Oh, that agrees with and or states better, something I have felt or thought about for a long time."
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Arch, exactly so.
    Bruce Mowbray: This happened with me a lot in adolescence -- before I'd done any reading in philosophy or religion.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yep, I have traveled a long road of religious and philosophical change
    Archmage Atlantis: I need to care for RL.......Take care Alfred, Bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye for now
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Arch.  Looking forward to talking with you later.
    Bruce Mowbray: [not realizing that Alfred was "Away"]  Do you know anything about the Phoenix Viewer, Al?
    Bruce Mowbray: Up until yesterday, I was perfectly happy with V2.
    Bruce Mowbray: But yesterday afternoon they popped up a TOS agreement that I had to sign in order to log into SL -- but it was locked so that I could not sign it.
    Bruce Mowbray: This went on for several hours -- blocking me from all entry into SL.
    Bruce Mowbray: I checked it out in the blogs, and many others were having the same problem -- and recommending other viewers. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: So, that's how I came to find Phoenix.


    Oatmeal with marzipan and vanilla sugar

    Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Lucinda!
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Lucinda Lavender: hi:)
    Bruce Mowbray: a quiet morning here, so far.
    Bruce Mowbray: wb, Al!
    Lucinda Lavender: I have just a minute while I eat my oatmeal...
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: sure. . . np, Luci.
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Alfred:)
    Alfred Kelberry: I make good oatmeal :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: what is special?
    Lucinda Lavender: about the oatmeal, I mean


    Alfred Kelberry: um... consistency and sweets that I add :)
    Lucinda Lavender: ah...:)
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh. . . ?
    Lucinda Lavender: I like it with the sweets too...
    Lucinda Lavender: dried fruit
    Alfred Kelberry: I like it with marzipan and vanilla sugar :)
    Lucinda Lavender: wow! that sounds amazing
    Alfred Kelberry: tastes amazing too :)
    Lucinda Lavender: sounds like a party:)
    Alfred Kelberry: always with butter
    Alfred Kelberry: num num
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding
    Lucinda Lavender: I am having my coffee too
    Lucinda Lavender: then off to work
    Alfred Kelberry: the only coffee i like is latte :)


    Lucinda's choir shares its loss through song

    Lucinda Lavender: this is a concert week for me
    Bruce Mowbray: With your choir, Luci?
    Alfred Kelberry: concert? you sing? or play?
    Lucinda Lavender: sing with a choir
    Alfred Kelberry: neat

    Lucinda Lavender: http://osscs.org/

    Lucinda Lavender: singing Detting Te Deum
    Lucinda Lavender: Handel
    Bruce Mowbray: How is your choir adjusting to its great loss?
    Lucinda Lavender: well it is really interesting...
    Lucinda Lavender: we miss the cues George gave us
    Lucinda Lavender: he cued everyone a lot
    Lucinda Lavender: and we are singing more hesitantly perhaps
    Alfred Kelberry: he looks so sweet
    Lucinda Lavender: he was very sweet
    Lucinda Lavender: nothing like making music with your friends he would say
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it will take some time -- and everyone will need to pull together and support each other during this transition.
    Lucinda Lavender: this time has to happen, I think
    Lucinda Lavender: some cry during rehearsal
    Bruce Mowbray: Of course -- understandable -- can be both helpful and healthy.
    Lucinda Lavender: but we keep going
    Bruce Mowbray: What a wonderful experience for all of you.
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...and strange too
    Lucinda Lavender: like being orphaned
    Bruce Mowbray: So, you already have a new conductor, then?
    Lucinda Lavender: One of his old friends Roupen Shakarian
    Lucinda Lavender: for 2 concerts, then others after that
    Lucinda Lavender: we will sample them I guess
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmmm.....
    Lucinda Lavender: sort of
    Lucinda Lavender: so interesting
    Bruce Mowbray: Will the choir have a choice in the final selection of its conductor?
    Lucinda Lavender: good question...I do not really know about that
    Lucinda Lavender: it could be several years off
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmm.... Well, it seems that the music you are singing will sometimes be about yourselves. . . and that's also potentially healing.
    Lucinda Lavender: we stretch to put into words what is different
    Lucinda Lavender: yes! thanks Bruce...you are right
    Bruce Mowbray: So much of poetry and music seems to be about loss.
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps to enable us to break bread with that darkness a bit more easily.
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Bruce Mowbray: and also with those who grieve with us.


    Lucinda Lavender: The last song in the piece is Lord in Thee have I trusted/ let me never be confounded...

    Bruce Mowbray listens intently to Luci.
    Lucinda Lavender: the very last words..."never let me be confounded" ...which makes me think of Being and the puzzle of Time
    Bruce Mowbray: yes. . .
    Lucinda Lavender: To you both I wish a good day...
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Luci. Thanks for dropping by. I must also be off pretty soon.
    Bruce Mowbray: May you be well and happy.

    Lucinda Lavender: thanks:) I get to take my kids to the Burke Museum to see the masks
    Lucinda Lavender: that should be fun...
    Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful!
    Lucinda Lavender: It is across from my work so just a walk
    Bruce Mowbray: Masks can also be "puzzling"!  ;-)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: till later then:)
    Bruce Mowbray: Goodbye, Luci.
    Bruce Mowbray: Al's is "Away" and Blub's not up for chatting this morning, so I shall also be gone.
    Bruce Mowbray: May all have a happy day and be well.

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