2010.10.12 13:00 - NOAM and CHOCOLATE YAKU

    The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.


    Io Larkspur: Hello, Aph.
    Io Larkspur: Hello, Arch.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Io
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiagain
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Aph
    Io Larkspur: I've just finished watching the Noam Chomsky interview on Metanomics.
    Aphrodite Macbain: hey arch
    Io Larkspur: WOWWWWWWWW!
    Aphrodite Macbain: me too - jsut the last bit
    Io Larkspur: I am breathless.
    Io Larkspur: Yo, Bleau and welcome!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I found the interviewer pretty dull
    Aphrodite Macbain: Chomsky was, of course, wonderful
    Io Larkspur: I watched every minute of it -- and guess who was the first questioner???!!!!
    Aphrodite Macbain: what a mind what a memory
    Io Larkspur: arabella!!!!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: I heard that too
    Aphrodite Macbain: heyy arabella
    Io Larkspur: wow!!!!
    Aphrodite Macbain: what did she ask?
    Io Larkspur: mmmm...
    Io Larkspur tries to remember.
    Io Larkspur: something about bio-fuels. . .
    Io Larkspur: ??
    Aphrodite Macbain: omg
    Io Larkspur: I'd need to go back and watch it again.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what a fantastic idea for a forum
    Aphrodite Macbain: I jsut finished dinner
    Aphrodite Macbain: so didn't get a chance to watch it all
    Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep :)
    Io Larkspur: Hello, Crusty Hello Alfred.
    Aphrodite Macbain: hi meep meep
    Archmage Atlantis: Hey, Crusty
    Alfred Kelberry: *hugs io* still no word from bruce?
    Crusty Goldshark: hi
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello ASlfred
    Archmage Atlantis: *Alfred
    Aphrodite Macbain: can I replay it Io?
    Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: how?

    Aphrodite Macbain: hi freud
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Freud
    Alfred Kelberry: cosmis outfit, bleu? :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: looks really neat :)
    Bleu Oleander: ty!
    Aphrodite Macbain: wish I could see it
    Freud Jungsten: SL seems particularly laggy today.
    Bleu Oleander: are you on a slow connection Aph?
    Aphrodite Macbain: probably
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe cause of chomsky :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: in the middle of the Umbrian countryside
    Bleu Oleander: oh nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: and maybe Noam
    Aphrodite Macbain: in a valley surpunded by mountans
    Io Larkspur: Three cheers for Unbrian connectivity!!!
    Io Larkspur: Umbrian*
    Alfred Kelberry: oh wait! you're already in italy, aph? :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yyup have been for 10 days
    Alfred Kelberry: wow
    Freud Jungsten: Would love to get to Italy.
    Alfred Kelberry: i missed the whole thing :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: cool eh? all this and the internet too!
    Io Larkspur: welcome back, Freud (late with that; sry).
    Alfred Kelberry: please, bring back pictures to present in the gallery :)
    Freud Jungsten: No worries.
    Io Larkspur: Hey, Zon!
    Alfred Kelberry: italy report :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: II'll try and figure out how. Will it cost me an armand a leg?
    Zon Quar: hi all
    Io Larkspur: cool -- reports from Italia!
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Zon
    Bleu Oleander: hi Zon
    Freud Jungsten: Molto benna
    Aphrodite Macbain: Zon, iao
    Aphrodite Macbain: ciao
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, describe us what you see :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I walked for 6 hrs today though the Umbrian countryside
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, lovely
    Freud Jungsten: Funny, I never get the same requests when I tell folks I Live in Oklahoma.... I wonder why... smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: crossing over Roman viaducts, visiting romanesqe churches,
    Aphrodite Macbain: what's wrong with oklahoma?
    Freud Jungsten: Not too many Roman Viaducts here.
    Io Larkspur: where the wind comes right behind the rain....
    Alfred Kelberry: beautiful, aph... enjoy it :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am. Tomorrow I go to Assissi and see the Giotto paintings at the church of San Francesco
    Freud Jungsten: Lovely.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can hardly wait
    Io Larkspur: Hello, DerDonAnker.
    DerDonAnker Balczo: hi
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Freud- do you know the paaintings?
    Aphrodite Macbain: he painted the life of st francis
    Archmage Atlantis: When you go to San Francesco, wear a flower in your hair.......
    Freud Jungsten: I do remember that from my art appreciation class.
    Aphrodite Macbain: ;_0
    Freud Jungsten: My prof did his PhD in Itialian Churhc paintings.
    Aphrodite Macbain: right. That st francis got around. I think he
    Aphrodite Macbain: s the Christian equivalent of Buddha
    Aphrodite Macbain: who's the guardian for this session?
    Freud Jungsten: YOu?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nope. I'm on holiday!
    Bleu Oleander: I can if no one is
    Aphrodite Macbain: but I still check in to get my SL fix
    Aphrodite Macbain: can someone tell us aboutthe Chomsky lecture?
    Freud Jungsten: The first step is knowing you have a problem..... smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: Io? Bleu?
    Io Larkspur: io has absolutely NO problems whatsoever.
    Io Larkspur: Only Bruce has problems.
    Freud Jungsten: I just asked Devon for a card about the lecture.
    Aphrodite Macbain: every one has some problems
    Freud Jungsten: I am addicted to running.
    Aphrodite Macbain: even Yio
    Freud Jungsten: Love that feeling you get at mile 6.
    Freud Jungsten: Spend a crap load on shoes as well... grins
    Freud Jungsten: http://www.metanomics.net/show/octob..._on_metanomics
    Freud Jungsten: That is from Devon Alderton one of the staff.
    Io Larkspur: It was absolutely wonderful.

    Aphrodite Macbain: how?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Gonna go now and read up for tomorrow. Bye all.
    Freud Jungsten: Ciao bella.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Grazie Freud!
    Io Larkspur: bye, Aph.
    Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i
    Bleu Oleander: bye Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye Aph
    Io Larkspur: Did anyone else hear the Chomsky interview on Metanomics today?
    Freud Jungsten: No.
    Freud Jungsten: Sounded too much like another philosphy class for my tastes.
    Io Larkspur: THIS is why I am in SL -- this and PaB, of course!
    Io Larkspur: Chomsky is 82 years old -- and still sharper than a tack.
    Archmage Atlantis: I gotta go, I'm afraid.........the animals are restless :).......dinnertime and getting ready to climb on the kb
    Freud Jungsten: I need to read up on the guy a bit more.
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye for now
    Freud Jungsten: Take care.
    Io Larkspur: Bye, Arch!
    Alfred Kelberry: neat, my little translation thing works :)
    Freud Jungsten: So what did I interupt when I popped in?
    Freud Jungsten: What sort of translation thing?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Io Larkspur: Hey, Yaku.
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, yaku
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo.
    Alfred Kelberry: nothing really, freud
    Io Larkspur: Looking good!
    Bleu Oleander: hey Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: any of you attended the chomsky event on metanomics before ?
    Freud Jungsten: No.
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Io Larkspur: yes yes yes yes!!!!
    Freud Jungsten: How was it?
    Bleu Oleander: he said he would come back sometime
    Io Larkspur listens for a second opinion.
    Bleu Oleander: got to go, sry rl appt. .... bye all :)

    Had to leave to attend WG meeting ... the conversation continued ....

    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu
    Io Larkspur: Bye, Bleu.
    Freud Jungsten: SO how about this, can someone explain to me why this Chomsky fellow is important?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope i don´t look awkward or something i don´t see anything here because i am on a textbased client
    Yakuzza Lethecus: chomsky because of his past mainly
    Yakuzza Lethecus: language when he fought skinner in the 50th
    Freud Jungsten: You are standing in teh pool.. smiles
    Yakuzza Lethecus: then later because of his political interest
    Freud Jungsten: Not sure what you mean there.
    Io Larkspur: a brilliant thinker -- an alternative viewpoint - He's been thinking and writing since the 50's about concerns of major importance.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is this better ?
    Freud Jungsten: Sorry, English is nto my first lanaguge.
    Freud Jungsten: Sure.
    Freud Jungsten: Example please.
    Io Larkspur: Listen to his talk today about bio-fuels -- and arabella's question. Then compare that to your present thinking about bio-fuels.... You'll get the idea.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do i sit in the water ?
    Freud Jungsten: You are good.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good thx
    Freud Jungsten: SO what are his thoughts on biofuels?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: our last retr
    Io Larkspur: I have been at this computer ALL DAY -- and my dog deserves a hike -- so I shall excuse myself and sofor a long walk with him now.e
    Freud Jungsten: If you can give us an abstract.
    Io Larkspur: Good bye for now, everyone.
    Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care Io
    Io Larkspur: Bye, Yaku.
    DerDonAnker Balczo: bye
    Freud Jungsten: Scared him off I guess ... smiles
    Freud Jungsten: I do that a lot really....
    Freud Jungsten: I either tend to get here right at the wrong time or I tend to drive folks away..... smiles.... I OK with either option...

    Freud Jungsten: OK.. take care all... Thanks for the chat.
    arabella Ella whispers hiya!
    Alfred Kelberry: ara! :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
    arabella Ella: hey Alfie!
    Alfred Kelberry: sorry, i may be slow to respond - testing my translator
    arabella Ella: oh
    Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
    arabella Ella: what did you think of the Chomsky interview Alfie?
    arabella Ella: meep meeps back
    arabella Ella: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: um... too political :)
    arabella Ella: yes although he is a political animal really
    arabella Ella: but other topics would have been more interesting
    arabella Ella: on my part i crashed once too often
    Alfred Kelberry: well, it's metanomics after all, not mica :)
    Alfred Kelberry: 私の部分私はあまりにも頻繁に一度クラッシュした
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    arabella Ella is amazed ... is that Japanese Alfie?
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: translation of your last message :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm doing it for kira japan meeting
    arabella Ella: wow that is simply amazing
    Alfred Kelberry: um.. what is? :)
    arabella Ella: the translation like that
    arabella Ella: not that i would know what it means but never mind that
    Alfred Kelberry: oh... there are many in sl
    Alfred Kelberry: i just use my own
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i missed it :(
    Alfred Kelberry: cause i can customize it the way i like
    Yakuzza Lethecus: our last session ended an hour ago
    arabella Ella: wow am very impressed
    arabella Ella: @ Yaku how is the retreat going Yaku?
    Alfred Kelberry: yaku, i think metanomics put videos on the web
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s great so far
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good sessions, good weather and the food is also fine
    Alfred Kelberry: oh yes! i forgot you're on the retreat, yaku :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the can´s of coffee could be bigger actually :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    arabella Ella: oh yes Yaku's coffee!
    Alfred Kelberry: do you meditate?
    arabella Ella: and can you cook your own food too?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, relativly often with specific focuses
    Alfred Kelberry: nice
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like before we had a few visualisations
    Alfred Kelberry: i hope to go one day
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, how's that?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in a mica like way, ,,to imagine all the past and future objects of the universe looking at you"
    arabella Ella: ALL OF THEM?
    Alfred Kelberry: wow...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that was only one focus
    Alfred Kelberry: i think i'd feel crushed :)
    Alfred Kelberry: what was your experience of it?
    arabella Ella: you read my mind Alfie!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s really nice, i recognize to many monkey´s in my mind
    Alfred Kelberry: monkeys?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wol brought the monkeymind into play this morning and it preserves a nice metaphor for bothering thoughts
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and distracting habits
    Alfred Kelberry: what is a monkey mind?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just a metaphor for unconstructive distracting thoughts
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but a very nice one :)
    arabella Ella: a monkey mind?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: gosh, it´s the first day that i am using that as a metaphor myself, i liked it :)
    Alfred Kelberry: um... like saying i like your the color of your shoelaces? :)
    Darren Islar: hey :)
    arabella Ella: hiya Darren!
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, darren :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey darren
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have no clue how i look like actually
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we have a satellite connection here and that kinda sucks in the evening
    Darren Islar: eh...... different
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i am on a textbased client
    Yakuzza Lethecus: radegast
    Darren Islar: 'Free Bruce and blub' ?
    arabella Ella: ok Yaku, I am looking closer so here goes white jacket brown skin white eyes and black everything else
    arabella Ella: (more or less)
    Darren Islar: nop pupils
    arabella Ella: oh brown belt too and hands
    arabella Ella: and pinkish nails
    Darren Islar: white feet
    Darren Islar: a bit scary actually :)
    arabella Ella: cant see feet in this position :(
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hrhr :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey barca
    Darren Islar: but brown ankelds
    Darren Islar: ankles
    Darren Islar: hi Barcalona
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi all
    Darren Islar: but why needs Bruce rescuing?

    arabella Ella: you look like chocolate Yaku
    arabella Ella: Hiya Barca!
    arabella Ella: apparently if i understood correctly about Bruce
    arabella Ella: he was stuck in SL and could not log out
    arabella Ella: so he could not log in either
    Darren Islar: oh?
    arabella Ella: as it said he was already logged in
    Darren Islar: weird things are happening these days
    arabella Ella: oh yes
    arabella Ella: like Yaku tonight
    Darren Islar: somebody told me today he was always online even when he logged out
    Darren Islar: but was able to log in though
    arabella Ella: sounds like Matrix
    Darren Islar: yes :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wow
    arabella Ella: i am not really sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: interesting
    arabella Ella: Yaku would know
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, actually i don´t
    Yakuzza Lethecus: dammit
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tuesday
    Darren Islar: sl is not doing themselves a favour with all these problems
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i would have been in the dream workshop
    Darren Islar: from the last few week
    Darren Islar: LL I mean
    Barcalona Rhapsody: who is LL ?
    Darren Islar: Linden Lab
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Darren Islar: name of the owners
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i see
    Darren Islar: .
    Barcalona Rhapsody: what did they do wrong ?
    arabella Ella: dreams is still on now Yaku you could still go there
    arabella Ella: oh they do a lot wrong Barca
    Darren Islar: a lot of lag in the last few weeks
    arabella Ella: long list
    Darren Islar: no access for half a day
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Darren Islar: weird things happening
    arabella Ella: like they seem to want us to upgrade our technology every six months
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so time does matter ?
    arabella Ella: for some
    arabella Ella: depends on context
    Darren Islar: maybe, but I don't think that helps, I'm afraid
    Darren Islar: .
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and linden lab gives a bad context ?
    Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure this is long lasting before on screen
    Darren Islar: they fail in solving real issues, while they want to come up with new things all the time
    Alfred Kelberry: j hello
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so we are disabled in our communication ?
    arabella Ella: just imagine Barca that you are running an organisation and you want to hold a meeting on SL FOR YOUR people in diffierent countries on SL
    Darren Islar: voice is not working either, very well
    arabella Ella: then SL is down and you cannot hold your meeting
    arabella Ella: just one example
    Darren Islar: which is not good for business :(
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Darren Islar: .
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its still no prooven technology
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ?
    Darren Islar: and they want to be taken seriously in a professional way
    Barcalona Rhapsody: we are betatesters ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its free
    Barcalona Rhapsody: no quality guaranteed
    Darren Islar: actually it isn't
    arabella Ella: it is actually BIG business Barca
    Darren Islar: if you want to set up a business here, you need land
    Darren Islar: that is very expansive
    arabella Ella: some people have become millionaires off SL
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: the new colonies
    arabella Ella: but they too pay the Lindens
    Darren Islar: millions are spend every month

    Barcalona Rhapsody: colonialism
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: yaku
    Barcalona Rhapsody: we may pay for a bit of land but LL stays landowner ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and LL takes away the profits we generate ?
    Darren Islar: one sim cost you 10,000 US Dollars to purchase it and a few hundred every month for maintenance
    Alfred Kelberry: science circle is moving to opensim
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: which opensim ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: reactiongrid ? osgrid ?
    Darren Islar: more wil be moving I suppose if this stays
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so i am homeless in SL thats free
    arabella Ella: most new technology project make a profit as they run on service and maintainance so have always got an income
    Alfred Kelberry: we're looking at options
    Darren Islar: the amount of visitors dropps immediately when there are problems like this
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe sciencesim
    Barcalona Rhapsody: of course
    Barcalona Rhapsody: SL as a no go area ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: the slumps of SL ?
    Alfred Kelberry: what i don't like about reactiongrid is that they run on windows and have to restart on every windows update :)
    Darren Islar: you can live her for free yes
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but we can talk for free ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and communicate in a kind of masked way like a maskarade
    Barcalona Rhapsody: for free
    arabella Ella: why 'masked' Barca?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: mask balls in venice are more expensive
    Darren Islar: I would like to talk to you in another six month Barca :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: well our avatars are kind of maskes
    Darren Islar: actually they aren't as much as you think
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Darren Islar: .
    Darren Islar: bye Yaku
    Barcalona Rhapsody: good night yak
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure the are like their real persons behind them
    Darren Islar: you develop a personality here, like you also do in real life
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and ythat feels fine
    Darren Islar: with all the things that comes with it
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Darren Islar: like different hair, different clothing, a place to live
    arabella Ella: yes we develop either our own personality or another one we chose here
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its addictive in a way
    arabella Ella: but i find you get to know the real person here behind the mask
    Darren Islar: yes, but it also can just be a different life
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and i like that
    Darren Islar: but don't underestimade it
    Barcalona Rhapsody: way of communicating
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so respectfull here
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but thats because you are philosophers too
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or teachers any way
    Barcalona Rhapsody: nice people
    Darren Islar is looking at Ara ;)
    Darren Islar: we are not teachers
    arabella Ella: i'm afraid i gtg ... hey dont make me blush Darren :)
    Darren Islar: but we are a community
    arabella Ella: am enjoying this chat but ...
    arabella Ella: bye for now
    Darren Islar: hehe :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sleep tight
    Darren Islar: like to see you blush :)
    Darren Islar: by Ara
    Darren Islar: and I'm hapy to hear you like it :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, ara left
    Barcalona Rhapsody: me too
    Darren Islar: yes, just a second ago
    Alfred Kelberry: i have to go in a bit too
    Barcalona Rhapsody: a second in second life
    Darren Islar: eh Alfred ????
    Alfred Kelberry: what?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: is he talking japanese ?
    Darren Islar: hmmm, never thought of that a second in second life :)
    Darren Islar: oh, you have a translater on
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or chinese ?
    Alfred Kelberry: no, google does :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wow
    Alfred Kelberry: i only relay it to sl :)
    Darren Islar: ah okay
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, seems to work
    Darren Islar: ws wondering about the 'je'
    Barcalona Rhapsody: your are prepared for future alfred
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in 10 years chinese is internet language
    Alfred Kelberry: um... it's japanese, actually :)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok translate to chinese
    Darren Islar: maybe you are right, but I think English will stay too
    Darren Islar: but Chinese is becoming important
    Alfred Kelberry: have you seen firefly?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: of course as a second language in second life
    Darren Islar: no
    Darren Islar: until now the Chinese have a different second life
    Alfred Kelberry: absolutely amazing sci-fi show
    Alfred Kelberry: sadly, lasted only 1 season
    Darren Islar: because most of them are not used to not being guided
    Darren Islar: .
    Barcalona Rhapsody: fire flies last only one second
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in there second life
    Alfred Kelberry: so, it's not too distant future where we colonized many galaxies and guess what language is most used? :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ni hao
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, chinese and actors actually use it quite a bit :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but silence is of all languanges
    Darren Islar: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: true :)
    Darren Islar: a lot of chinese are buddhist, so they probably know a lot about silence
    Alfred Kelberry: oops, forgot to turn it off
    Darren Islar: how do chinese and japanese people make those characters with their keyboard?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: well i miss real chinese here in pab talking about taoism and buddhism
    Darren Islar: should ask Pema about that
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Darren Islar: what do you mean Barca?
    Alfred Kelberry: darren, install japanese layout and you'll see :)
    Darren Islar: you would like us more talking about buddhism and taoism?
    Darren Islar: ah, that is a good idea Alf :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: welll in my visits here i never spoke a chinese person here till now
    Darren Islar: true
    Barcalona Rhapsody: always american or european
    Darren Islar: yes
    Barcalona Rhapsody: no asian
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bt asian are real originators of buddism and taoism
    Darren Islar: The number of Chinese people is less on sl
    Darren Islar: but still
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its a growing minority i think
    Darren Islar: I guess it tells us also this is a pretty Western way of talking about those kind of topics
    Darren Islar: could be, I don't know
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and i wanna learn the asian way
    Darren Islar: ok
    Barcalona Rhapsody: timeless being there
    Darren Islar: I understand that
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and filled with emptiness
    Darren Islar: I have a Tibetan teacher
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Darren Islar: but I also like to make a translation to western thinking
    Barcalona Rhapsody: thats in rl ?
    Darren Islar: we have a different approach
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: .
    Barcalona Rhapsody: to know the different approaches makes you understand them better
    Darren Islar: I suppose so, yes
    Darren Islar: but it is really nice to hear a Dutch (I'm Dutch) buddhist teacher speak about buddhism
    Barcalona Rhapsody: well i had a meeting with followers of baptism church
    Darren Islar: because he or she knows the culture buddhism in Holland needs to be inbedded in
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in dutch too
    Darren Islar: you're Dutch?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and also baptist have another apporach as catolics
    Darren Islar: yes
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes hallo
    Barcalona Rhapsody: nederland hier
    Darren Islar: hehehehe
    Darren Islar: prettig kennis te maken :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: a growing minorty ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: leuk darren
    Darren Islar: well Dutch seems to be a growing minority here in PaB :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: pema is ook al dutch
    Darren Islar: yep
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i like dutch design
    Darren Islar: well he is a lot of things I guess :))
    Barcalona Rhapsody: he is a najority
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in its own
    Barcalona Rhapsody: mayoriyty
    Barcalona Rhapsody: mayor
    Darren Islar: hmmmmm, yes probably :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: waar woon je in nederland ?
    Darren Islar: Tilburg
    Darren Islar: en jij?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: zoetermeer
    DerDonAnker Balczo: bye everybody
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye
    Darren Islar: bye DerDon
    Darren Islar: ik heb nog een tijdje in Delft gewoond
    Darren Islar: .
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok stad van dutch design
    Darren Islar: .
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ik een tijdje in eindhoven
    Darren Islar: ah :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: als student design academy
    Alfred Kelberry: dutch :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: we have to translate that in jap[anese
    Darren Islar: ah dat verklaard de dutch design
    Darren Islar: sorry Alfred, we got carried away
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but i dont know how
    Darren Islar: hehehe
    Alfred Kelberry: no, it's ok :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: u can translate japanes in dutch alfred >?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wow
    Alfred Kelberry: i know some dutch
    Barcalona Rhapsody: babalfish ?
    Darren Islar: and the other way around
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Darren Islar: there are translatores available in sl
    Alfred Kelberry: this one is mine :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but silence needs no translation
    Darren Islar: .
    Darren Islar: some Dutch what......?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: enkel nderlanders
    Alfred Kelberry: let's make dutch hours :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: enkele
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes
    Darren Islar: oh, sorry translated it as I know some Dutch do..........
    Barcalona Rhapsody: dutch happy hours
    Barcalona Rhapsody: double dutch
    Barcalona Rhapsody: for free
    Alfred Kelberry: pema will appreciate it :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: denk ik ook
    Darren Islar: hehehe
    Barcalona Rhapsody: there is a sieboldhuid in leiden
    Alfred Kelberry: so, how good is google translator, barca?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sieboldhuis
    Barcalona Rhapsody: perfect !!!
    Alfred Kelberry: really?
    Darren Islar: it is doing okay :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: echt waar
    Alfred Kelberry: neat :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ja netjes
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Alfred Kelberry: i like dutch
    Barcalona Rhapsody: siebold was a dutch kolonist in japan
    Darren Islar: I won't translate that back into English :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: u can search in wikipedia
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Darren Islar: you said something like you like a Dutch woman :)
    Alfred Kelberry: that too :)
    Darren Islar: you didn't say that, but that is the translations
    Darren Islar: sure :)
    Darren Islar: .
    Darren Islar: they are very nice ;)
    Alfred Kelberry: i assume japanese translation may be pretty abstract :)
    Darren Islar: pretty much yes :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: dutch geisha's
    Alfred Kelberry: we'll see next japanese hour
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hahah
    Darren Islar: yes there is a Japanese hour in Kira cafe
    Barcalona Rhapsody: interesting
    Darren Islar: so there are Azian people around here
    Alfred Kelberry: i made this translator specifically for that
    Barcalona Rhapsody: good idea
    Darren Islar: ah, wonderful Alf :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: you are great alf
    Alfred Kelberry: they meet every tuesday at 6 am
    Alfred Kelberry: barca :)
    Darren Islar: but sadly enough they don't come to PaB
    Alfred Kelberry: um... thank you :)
    Darren Islar: probably because of differences in culture and language
    Alfred Kelberry: most of them don't speak english
    Darren Islar: right
    Darren Islar: as we don't speak Japanese
    Alfred Kelberry: and yes, culture is different
    Darren Islar: .
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but with a little help of the translator
    Alfred Kelberry: yes! :)
    Darren Islar: they have group of only Japanese people
    Barcalona Rhapsody: w e can
    Darren Islar: yes, maybe
    Barcalona Rhapsody: interate
    Barcalona Rhapsody: integrate
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in that group
    Barcalona Rhapsody: talking about bonsai trees
    Darren Islar: well it is a pretty good translator as far as i can see now :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and koi carps
    Alfred Kelberry: today they talked about pets :)
    Darren Islar: maybe we should put some koi in this pond
    Darren Islar: maybe that helps :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or robots
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: like alf
    Barcalona Rhapsody: out of the box thinking
    Alfred Kelberry: they have little ones... as space is very limited
    Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
    Darren Islar: alf is no a robot, he is just...... eh......
    Alfred Kelberry: boxbot :)
    Darren Islar: alf, I suppose :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: look alike robot
    Alfred Kelberry: i can zap people :)
    Darren Islar: a carbon robot :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: with his box shaped head
    Alfred Kelberry: cardbon :)
    Darren Islar: cardbon, sorry :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but i respect alf very much
    Darren Islar: but you ca see it is alf
    Darren Islar: by his scarf :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: he is a masked avatar
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and it takes big courage to do that
    Darren Islar: in sl?
    Alfred Kelberry: um... thank you, i appreciate it :) now can we please talk about something else :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and he is a rubyist
    Darren Islar: not really :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Barcalona Rhapsody: japanes like bruna
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, ruby is lovely
    Darren Islar: Alf likes talking about his Cardbon looks :)
    Alfred Kelberry: it's like zen in code :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wow
    Alfred Kelberry: *zaps darren* :)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: zen garden with bonsai trees
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in autumn
    Alfred Kelberry: pab has a nice garden
    Barcalona Rhapsody: with red leaves
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure

    Barcalona Rhapsody: well i have to go to sleep now
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its bed time for me
    Barcalona Rhapsody: darren you too if u live in halland ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: holland
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye friends
    Alfred Kelberry: sleep well, barca :)
    Alfred Kelberry: here's chinese for you :)
    Darren Islar: bye Barca :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: thnx
    Alfred Kelberry: mzzl
    Barcalona Rhapsody: mzzl
    Darren Islar: yes, going too
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, i'm off as well
    Barcalona Rhapsody: splaap lekker
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Darren Islar: zelfde Barca :)
    Darren Islar: bye Alf :)
    Alfred Kelberry: bye, darren :)

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