2010.10.14 01:00 - Emotional Response, Greetings and SL Communication

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado. Present were Archmage Atlantis, Calvino Rabeni, Darren Islar, Sharry Ragu, LoveWitch Silverfish and myself.

    Anxious times:

    Zen Arado: Hi Sharry :)
    Sharry Ragu: Hi Zen, how are you this find day? :))
    Sharry Ragu: fine*
    Zen Arado: I'm fine thanks
    Zen Arado: who knows what I might find ? :)
    Sharry Ragu: hahaha! indeed!! ;)
    Sharry Ragu: I am sitting quietly, contemplating my life and wondering at the world around me..
    Zen Arado: good thing to do
    Sharry Ragu: my daughter is in hospital awaiting the birth of my first grandchild.. she will call me when things pep up, meanwhile I'm relaxed and patient.. funny tho, everyone else around me are buzzing like electricity!! lol
    Zen Arado: ah - an anxious time for you
    Sharry Ragu: not at all!
    Sharry Ragu: I'm extremely relaxed.. waching the anxiety around me
    Zen Arado: we seem to add anxiety to events like these
    Sharry Ragu: this is what I am noticing
    Zen Arado: it all plays out the same whether we worry or not
    Sharry Ragu: absolutely *nods and smiles*
    Zen Arado: I would tend to anxiety myself
    Zen Arado: but not as much now
    Sharry Ragu: it will happen, and any raging emotions are not going to change that, so I am just sitting back and enjoying the ride.. things will go as they will
    Zen Arado: I know that but still.....
    Zen Arado: meditation practice helps tough
    Zen Arado: though *
    Sharry Ragu: I may add tho, I was not expecting to be this ok about it all ;) lol
    Zen Arado: funny the things we worry about
    Sharry Ragu: yes! lol
    Zen Arado: sometimes insignificant things trigger old worries I think
    Sharry Ragu: good point Zen
    Sharry Ragu: haha.. and that kinda makes them significant ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: Rage is an acceptable emotion......It is even acceptable as a cause of action,,,,,it is not acceptable to me as harmful to others
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: oh Hi Arch didn't see you
    Sharry Ragu: hi Archmage :))
    Archmage Atlantis: Yea, neither of you did
    Sharry Ragu: you snuckted in ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: You were both absorbed in a discussion
    Zen Arado: my inventory was hiding you :)
    Sharry Ragu: my screen was facing Zen :))
    Zen Arado: hmmm...acceptable emotions
    Archmage Atlantis: How prophetic a statment Zen
    Archmage Atlantis: And is this not a place
    Sharry Ragu: I wouldn't say that rage was unacceptable, I would consider whether it was helpful
    Archmage Atlantis: where to see is to learn?

    Emotional responses:

    Zen Arado: emotions come from thoughts tho
    Zen Arado: generated by them
    Zen Arado: no-that's not right
    Sharry Ragu: yes, association and unconscious most of the time...
    Zen Arado: sometimes they are generated quicker than thoughts too
    Sharry Ragu nods
    Zen Arado: like a flight or fight response
    Sharry Ragu: exactly!
    Zen Arado: where immediate action is required
    Zen Arado: and our thinking would be too ponderous and slow
    Sharry Ragu: however, I think our fight/flight response is linked to our perception.. and each has an individual take
    Zen Arado: my teacher gave us a handout about that last week
    Zen Arado: the emotional mind
    Sharry Ragu: and with thought, the unconscious links much quicker than the neocortex.. so yes, thoughts would be slow and cumbersome.. and this is why it is difficult to 'catch' what triggers us
    Zen Arado: kind of an evolutionary trait
    Zen Arado: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: Yeasur, kinda
    Zen Arado: the organisms that took too long to reflect didn't survive
    Zen Arado: Hi LOvewitch
    LoveWitch Silverweb: hi:)
    Zen Arado: have a seat :)
    Sharry Ragu waves a hello to Lovewitch
    Zen Arado: you been here before?
    LoveWitch Silverweb: thank u
    LoveWitch Silverweb: this is first time
    Zen Arado: ah o k
    Zen Arado: well the sessions are recorded and put on a Wiki - are you ok with that?
    LoveWitch Silverweb: yes
    Zen Arado: ok good
    LoveWitch Silverweb: :)
    Sharry Ragu: I'm not sure what I think about the evolutionary theory there Zen.. It makes me wonder about different adaptive abilities..
    Archmage Atlantis: Do you prefer to be addressed by a name, LWS?
    LoveWitch Silverweb: what people like
    LoveWitch Silverweb: LW is ok
    Archmage Atlantis: As some of us will shorten it
    Sharry Ragu: lol.. thanks love ;)
    LoveWitch Silverweb: or Love
    Sharry Ragu: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Likes both
    LoveWitch Silverweb: :) thank u
    Sharry Ragu: reminds me of an old tv series.. with General Darling :))
    Zen Arado: I knw someone called Sustainable Love Westlands in SL
    Zen Arado: but we usually called her Sus :)
    Sharry Ragu: hehe.. :))
    Zen Arado: it seems to be the speed of response of the emotional mind
    Archmage Atlantis: Music on lther sys is "Amie"...Counyin Crows
    Archmage Atlantis: poor typping
    Zen Arado: but it makes mistakes - sacrifices speed for accuracy
    Zen Arado: so we tend to disregard it , like 'that's just an emotional response'
    Archmage Atlantis: Amie, what you want to do..fading in the grave....one of usk, botjh of us will see.....Madd Hatter here
    Archmage Atlantis: You know why hatters were know as mad?
    Zen Arado: Hi Cal :)
    Sharry Ragu: see, now I can't disregard.. I find a richness in emotional responses
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi zen, Arch, Sharry
    Sharry Ragu: Hi Calvino :))
    Archmage Atlantis: Heya Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Mercury poisoning
    Sharry Ragu: ??
    Archmage Atlantis: No fair, you came in late, Ca;
    Zen Arado: yes they used mercury in the process
    Archmage Atlantis: Now you have to explain
    Calvino Rabeni: I think the mercury was used to press the felt used for hats?
    Zen Arado: we were talking anout emotional responses Cal
    Sharry Ragu: LOL
    Calvino Rabeni: Not sure about that, but it wasn't too good for the hatters
    Sharry Ragu: Arch's song ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: Spmetjhing goood this way comres
    Zen Arado: there seem to be quick and slow paths to emotional responses
    Zen Arado: one through perseption the other through reflective thought
    Sharry Ragu: hmmm...
    Zen Arado: preception*
    Zen Arado: perception* :)
    Sharry Ragu: yes, I am seeing that.. rumination for instance Zen?
    Archmage Atlantis: Do you find one more path valid, Zen?
    Zen Arado: yes - that's the bad one maybe
    Archmage Atlantis: The quick or the slow?
    Sharry Ragu: the not helpful one, I would think ;)
    Zen Arado: yes - the fast response is necessary for quick action sometimes
    Zen Arado: the slow one seems worse
    Zen Arado: the emotion kind of festers?
    Sharry Ragu: I find I can make links in moments of reflection that I cannot whilst in action
    Zen Arado: yes - rational thought is more accurate
    Archmage Atlantis: I yhink yhis is where the gura says "discuss among yousefles?
    Zen Arado: but remember reading that emotions are part of reasoning process too
    Zen Arado: people who have lost the emotional part of their brain find that they can't reason very well either
    Sharry Ragu: yes, dependent upon perception, which is dependent on the the unconscious associations from past experience..
    Calvino Rabeni: perception there meaning judgment too
    Calvino Rabeni: not just sensing]
    Sharry Ragu: I think what fascinates me about that, is the amount of unconsciousness in the process..
    Zen Arado: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: all those faculties are talked about as if separate, but they aren't and never were
    Calvino Rabeni: they are braided together in an intant
    Calvino Rabeni: *instant
    Zen Arado: yes - a kind of psychological reductionism
    Calvino Rabeni: true
    Sharry Ragu: yes.. linked and possibly why I chose the word dependent.. one cannot without the rest of it

    "The heart has a mind of it's own" :)

    Zen Arado: they have found that the heart has lots of thinking process
    Sharry Ragu: I think individual cells have an amount of consciouness..
    Sharry Ragu: so that's exciting for me to hear Zen
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a teleconference coming up from the Heartmath institute in the Beyond Awakening presentation series on that topic
    Zen Arado: Hi Steve :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Morning
    Zen Arado: interesting Cal
    Zen Arado: there is a radio prog coming up on BBC world service
    Zen Arado: on the same topic
    Calvino Rabeni: Intelligence of the heart is a topic du jour
    Zen Arado: wish I knew when it was :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Sharry Ragu: can you explain du jour for me Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: "of the day"
    Sharry Ragu: ahh.. thank you :))
    Calvino Rabeni: meaning a topic of current interest
    Calvino Rabeni: YW
    stevenaia Michinaga: I would have asked what is "Intelligence of the heart" but I'll read the log later
    Sharry Ragu enjoys the peace
    Calvino Rabeni: FYI http://beyondawakeningseries.com/blog/
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx
    Calvino Rabeni: or http://beyondawakeningseries.com/blo...debbie-rozman/
    Zen Arado: thanks Cal
    Zen Arado: I can't find when the BBC prog is broadcast

    Internet spiritual activities:

    Calvino Rabeni: I went on an all day drive today, so I downloaded some of these audio programs - usually I don't take time for it :)
    Sharry Ragu: what a brilliant idea Calvino :))
    Calvino Rabeni: An 8 hour in-the-car mini-retreat - nothing else to do :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Heym there is thought and video out there
    Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps not as succinct
    Zen Arado: car meditation :)
    Archmage Atlantis: but thrt on yhr lr
    Calvino Rabeni: These popular spirituality activities on the internet are getting huge compared to traditional venues
    Calvino Rabeni: LIke 30,000 on that series
    Sharry Ragu: whoa!
    Zen Arado: I just found I can download Eckhart Tolle talks very cheap on Amazon
    Zen Arado: about $1 each
    Zen Arado: I like listening to him
    Sharry Ragu: wow.. I loved his book "A New Earth"
    Zen Arado: yes - I read 'The power of now ' too
    Zen Arado: but I prefer to listen to him
    Zen Arado: he is much funnier in his talks
    Calvino Rabeni: I found all the fairy tales (Grimm, Anderson, etc.) on Kindle for free on my phone - but wish they were in voice
    Sharry Ragu: lol.. I thought he was entertaining in his presentation.. I may have to check them out Zen :))
    Zen Arado: you can use the KIndle to talk the text but it's a bit robotic
    Zen Arado: I downloaded one called 'Presence' - it has two parts
    Zen Arado: and I found another last night called 'Discovering Your True Purpose in Life'
    Zen Arado: which is probably that there isn't one :)

    The dreaded question - 'How are you' ?

    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like a talk (or even a workshop) on how to handle the Dreaded Question
    Sharry Ragu: it seems to me, that there are many who seem to be seekers..
    Calvino Rabeni: "How Are You?"
    Sharry Ragu: LOL
    Zen Arado: :)
    Sharry Ragu: I'm always really honest with that one Calvino... do you have an approach?
    stevenaia Michinaga: such a simple question, why dreaded?
    Calvino Rabeni: It is truly the Koan For Our TImes
    Zen Arado: and the answer - 'Fine thanks' :)
    Sharry Ragu: or I'm here ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Does that sit well with you?
    Calvino Rabeni: Not me :)
    Calvino Rabeni: So answering it is a form of self-abnegation?
    stevenaia Michinaga: because we answer it usually with only basic assesment of ourselves?
    Sharry Ragu: I'm not sure what you mean there Calvino.. it is a choice to answer or not answer..
    Calvino Rabeni: Emotional reactions?
    Calvino Rabeni: How much do we want to be known, or to reveal, to be seen, etc.?
    Calvino Rabeni: Is it boring?
    Sharry Ragu: and for me, mostly I would answer I'm here.. which does not deny or minimise any aspect of my being...
    Calvino Rabeni: Is it just routine and robotic, and is that OK?
    Calvino Rabeni: Does it really give room for exppression, or not?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm sure if you asked the same question twice, with diffrent emphasis, the answers will be quite diffrent
    Calvino Rabeni hopes so
    Sharry Ragu: that choice is with me, if I choose to expand, intonation, there is plently of room to express :))
    Zen Arado: but if you tell people 'I am a bit depressed' they usually don't want to hear that
    Calvino Rabeni: And that feels ... ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Inauthentic?
    Calvino Rabeni: OR what
    Calvino Rabeni: OR does it invite too much self scrutiny, like .. why am I depressed?
    Calvino Rabeni: Of course I don't find that easy to think about
    stevenaia Michinaga: or compassion in your response to that
    Zen Arado: societal interaction and etiquette seems to force us to be inauthentic
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it seems to challenge one for self-compassion
    stevenaia Michinaga: and compassion for the one answering
    Zen Arado: and there is the question of time
    Darren Islar: good morning :)
    Calvino Rabeni: What if I asked for a mutual pact of authenticity, for example, from one of you? Would you be tempted?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Darren :)
    Zen Arado: how much time would you have to explain why you feel depressed?
    Calvino Rabeni: How are you ? :)))
    Zen Arado: Hi Darren :)
    Calvino Rabeni: (don't answer)
    Zen Arado: How are you Darren ?
    Zen Arado: :)
    Sharry Ragu: it can go in a multitude of directions Calvino.. it could be authentic, not authentic.. it may invite scrutiny or one may ride it like a roller-coaster.. I'm not really understanding... I don't think
    Darren Islar: I"m fine :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: When I hear "I'm Fine" it generally feels a little disappointing
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think that is the point Sharry
    Darren Islar: hehehe :) Cal
    Zen Arado: pact of authenticity - sure - if you have time to listen :)
    Calvino Rabeni: heheh Darren :)
    Sharry Ragu: so I would wonder what you are expecting of the person answering...
    Darren Islar: I have my coffee, that makes this morning worthwhile :)
    Calvino Rabeni shakes on it with Zen .. within limits of available time
    Sharry Ragu: :)) Darren
    Zen Arado: you might be sorry Cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: And limits of confidentiality of the setting
    stevenaia Michinaga: I know someone who when I ask, and their response varies from "I'm fine" to "I'm ok" tells me a world about how they are, and "I'm ok" is never good
    Calvino Rabeni: because I haven't made the same deal with the rest of the world :)
    Zen Arado: then you'll say ' he never stops complaining' ;)
    Sharry Ragu: LOL
    Sharry Ragu: :))
    Sharry Ragu: well one does need some sort of hobby ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Have you noticed good complaining compared with sort of pointless complaining?
    Sharry Ragu nods
    Zen Arado: hmmm....thinking there are some things better left unsaid
    Zen Arado: honesty can be brutal
    Calvino Rabeni: I agree, but what does that depend on?
    Zen Arado: self revelation isn't easy
    Calvino Rabeni: What is better left unsaid, about oneself ?
    Sharry Ragu: I believe it depends on awareness vs automation (habit)..
    Zen Arado: I don't even know myself how I am :)
    Darren Islar: that's the fun part :)
    Zen Arado: yes - self awareness
    Calvino Rabeni: Darren, we are trying to talk about the Dreaded Question - "How Are You?"
    Zen Arado: politeness to others is important too
    Sharry Ragu: hmmm... I thought we were talking about it ;) lol
    Darren Islar: ah, and I was proof of..........? :))
    Zen Arado: 'fine thanks 'response :)
    Zen Arado: the dreaded response :)
    Darren Islar: hmmmmmm
    Calvino Rabeni: It's so unfair to spring it on Darren like that :)
    Sharry Ragu: I don't think it's a dreaded response..
    Zen Arado: the one I always use :(
    Darren Islar is scratching his head
    Zen Arado: yes - sorry Darren
    Sharry Ragu: egads!! just what do you think is so wrong/dreaded about it??
    Darren Islar: np :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Well it's a bit opaque
    Zen Arado: I mean it is probably true
    Sharry Ragu: can it not be a choice to be opaque?
    Darren Islar: I actually am fine :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, but I don't answer the question - Human
    Calvino Rabeni: which is true also
    Zen Arado: and maybe we like to be positive
    Darren Islar: but I know it is also used to keep people from asking uncomfortable questios
    Darren Islar: questions
    Sharry Ragu: perhaps I do not want to go into detail with someone?
    Zen Arado: 'fine' is a funny word when you think about it
    Darren Islar: I do sometimes :(
    Sharry Ragu: I like fine weather :))
    Calvino Rabeni: Whether I do or don't depends on the chemistry of awareness between us
    Darren Islar: yes
    Zen Arado: it doesn't actually mean 'good'
    Sharry Ragu: yes, that I think is true
    Darren Islar: no, it is probably closer to 'okay'
    Zen Arado: true too Cal - you get to know people as Steve said
    Sharry Ragu: I think good has too many associations.. and is subjective.. perhaps fine is not so much? intonation would also convey it's meaning to I think..
    Zen Arado: do moods come across in SL?
    Sharry Ragu: I think they do Zen

    Giving and receiving attention:

    Calvino Rabeni: One of those audio programs I heard in the car was saying - most people relate to others "wanting to be seen" and expecting a dearth of good attention, whereas it is uncommon to enjoy being the "good seer". Do you think this is true?
    Zen Arado: yes Sharry - was thinking voice is better for mood expression
    Darren Islar: yes, I think so Cal
    Zen Arado: yes Cal - sounds like our usual egoic selfishness
    Sharry Ragu: I don't think so Calvino, however my job is to be 'the good seer' so I am probably not the best person to ask
    Zen Arado: we want attention more than we want to give it to others
    Darren Islar: though it can be really interesting when you turn that around
    Calvino Rabeni: Is that one of the emotional dynamic behind "How are you?" "Fine" ?
    Darren Islar: I guess it is a complex thing
    Zen Arado: I remember an Aussie expression 'stickybeak' for giving others too much attention :)
    Darren Islar: you know you are somehow expected to say that.........
    Zen Arado: noseyness in other words
    Darren Islar: it can cover up your real emotions.......
    Darren Islar: time is an issue........
    Calvino Rabeni: I understand, Sharry, about the job
    Darren Islar: you know somebody isn't really interested
    Darren Islar: a pretty complex set of emotions
    Zen Arado: caring attention is great when you get it
    Sharry Ragu: how about not being reliant on it ;)
    Zen Arado: can you give it in SL?
    Sharry Ragu: I believe you can Zen
    Zen Arado: true too Sharry
    Darren Islar: what do you do Sharry?
    Sharry Ragu: I'm a counsellor
    Zen Arado: but we are bruised by life
    Darren Islar: ah....
    Calvino Rabeni: Meditation with others seems to work, so I'd guess less subtle emotional connections would too in SL]
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks for the discussion everyone - it was better than "fine" ")
    Darren Islar: well I was surprised when I came to sl, how much is still 'communicated'
    Sharry Ragu: :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: BUt I have to go ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye
    Zen Arado: :)
    Sharry Ragu: be well Calvino :))
    Darren Islar: bye Cal :)
    Zen Arado: thaanks Cal - bye
    stevenaia Michinaga: I do as wellm the sun will be rising soon
    Sharry Ragu: yes Darren.. so was I!
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye all
    Darren Islar: bye stevenia :)
    Sharry Ragu: see you Steve
    Zen Arado: bye Steve :)
    Darren Islar: Zen, you look a bit like a bird, standing on one leg :)
    Sharry Ragu: hehe
    Sharry Ragu: AO, gotta love SL :))
    Zen Arado: I know - I bought a new jacket last night
    Darren Islar: yes, it looks great on you
    Sharry Ragu zooms in
    Zen Arado: going to take bits of it off
    Darren Islar: and that is not politeness :)
    Sharry Ragu: very smart Zen :))
    Zen Arado: am I standing on one leg?
    Zen Arado: I see myself sitting
    Darren Islar: yes you are now
    Sharry Ragu: you are sitting now Zen :)'
    Darren Islar: I guess your sit-AO was still on
    Zen Arado: switched AO off
    Sharry Ragu: ;)
    Sharry Ragu: I was doing the bird earlier
    Darren Islar: :)
    Sharry Ragu: LOL.. the bird sit I should say ;)

    SL communication:

    Sharry Ragu: so Darren, you were saying you were surprised at how communication translated here in SL?
    Darren Islar: yes
    Sharry Ragu: can you describe what you have found?
    Darren Islar: since I know I respond more to body-language
    Sharry Ragu: oh ok, so how is here for you?
    Zen Arado: yes - was going to say that too Darren
    Darren Islar: hard to say, because I haven't figured it out yet
    Sharry Ragu: I wonder if AO's would present a presence and convey communication?
    Darren Islar: but there is probably more in talking then I assumed
    Sharry Ragu: oh
    Sharry Ragu: :))
    Zen Arado: I find it difficult to use voice in SL because you miss subtle cues for when someone has finished speaking
    Darren Islar: maybe, but to me that isn't the whole asnwer
    Darren Islar: yes
    Sharry Ragu: I wonder if that means your are both more visual??
    Darren Islar: I have a girlfriend, that has a pretty fidget AO, not my style :)
    Sharry Ragu: I know I have an auditory preference
    Sharry Ragu: haha :))
    Zen Arado: you can kind of add body language cues in text I think but women seem better at it than men
    Darren Islar: I am more visual yes
    Zen Arado: I don't know simply
    Darren Islar: Sometimes it feels like I can feel chemestry through the screen
    Sharry Ragu: occasionally, I'll slip in a *shuffles her feet*, or a *winks and smiles* :)) it seems to convey mood and tone better
    Zen Arado: I have to go unfortunately
    Zen Arado: my window cleaner needs paid
    Sharry Ragu: yes Darren! its interesting that isn't it :))
    Zen Arado: thanks for interesting discussion :)
    Zen Arado: bye
    Darren Islar: okay Zen, see you, bye :)
    Sharry Ragu: thanks Zen :)) it's been wonderful chatting to yu
    Darren Islar: like you feel the rythm of other persons anyway
    Sharry Ragu: yes
    Sharry Ragu: I'm not sure if one needs to be perceptive to cues or what it is..
    Darren Islar: btw, I'm a cousellor too
    Sharry Ragu: haha! nice to meet you :))
    Darren Islar: :))
    Darren Islar: well, you start wondering about what cues you really use
    Darren Islar: it feels like the picture is different then what I expected
    Sharry Ragu: for me, I think text mostly.. listening and perhaps an ability to empathise?
    Sharry Ragu: oh? so what did you expect?
    Darren Islar: more distance i guess
    Darren Islar: hard to say what you expect, because it works pretty subtle
    Sharry Ragu nods
    Darren Islar: I did notice though that you use more text in sl
    Darren Islar: you need to explain more
    Sharry Ragu: I have a bit of a theory about SL.. somehow I think it translates essence...
    Darren Islar: I get more questions about what I mean
    Sharry Ragu: as filters used in RL are lessened as there is no 'physical' threat
    Darren Islar: yes, I have been thinking in that line too
    Darren Islar: but that is more because things are 'taken away'
    Sharry Ragu: well yes, anonymity helps too
    Darren Islar: body-language has a great impact on me
    Darren Islar: but since there is hardly any in sl, I feel more free
    Sharry Ragu: yes :))
    Darren Islar: no-one is picking his nose, drops clothes everywhere, is looking annoyed or anything like it
    Sharry Ragu: hahahah :))
    Darren Islar: by cutting away all those things
    Darren Islar: communication seems to be more easy
    Sharry Ragu: yes, that's right :))
    Darren Islar: we can now connect on a different level
    Sharry Ragu: judgements are a little more removed I think
    Darren Islar: and of course we all look good :))
    Darren Islar: yes
    Sharry Ragu: dang we is all sexy huh :D
    Darren Islar: :)
    Darren Islar: no boss that bosses you around
    Darren Islar: no one you depend on for money
    Sharry Ragu: unless you are into BDSM ;) lol
    Darren Islar: yes, okay :)
    Darren Islar: but that is by choice
    Sharry Ragu: it is :))
    Darren Islar: no professors in ivory towers
    Darren Islar: bankmanagers that doesn't even look at you
    Sharry Ragu: you will have to excuse my outbursts.. I have discovered my inner child and fostered my sense of humour here ;)
    Darren Islar: that's okay, np :)
    Sharry Ragu: yes, there is much freedom here and that is brilliant for self-exploring
    Sharry Ragu: and for learning about others
    Darren Islar: yes
    Sharry Ragu: do you log on often?
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: trying to put up some things in sl
    Sharry Ragu: lol.. have you gone through the addiction period?
    Sharry Ragu: or did you start with more self-discipline?
    Darren Islar: wel, from my own experience I know what addiction means
    Darren Islar: and self-disicpline is not really working I'm afraid
    Darren Islar: but I do check myself on addictive behaviour
    Darren Islar: even though I am here a lot
    Darren Islar: I don't recognize addictive behaviour
    Sharry Ragu: I know when I started, I did burn the midnight oil.. and sleep deprevation was experienced ;)
    Darren Islar: sure, it is new, exciting and computers are weird things
    Darren Islar: it is hard to notice how long you're behind the screen
    Sharry Ragu: yes.. time loss ;) lol
    Darren Islar: but with everything you need to find a way to handle it
    Darren Islar: making it part of your daily life, instead of the other way around :)
    Sharry Ragu: yes! that is the trick :))
    Sharry Ragu: I have had very emotional experiences here.. unexpected and time where I just thought I would delete my av.. but I have discovered working through them can be very educational :))
    Darren Islar: yes, you can use it
    Darren Islar: instead of being carried away with it
    Sharry Ragu: well, I don't mind doing a little of both ;) lol
    Darren Islar: of course :)
    Sharry Ragu: it's only life after all right?
    Darren Islar: yessss
    Darren Islar: it is live, different, but it is
    Darren Islar: life
    Sharry Ragu: :))
    Darren Islar: need to go Sharry
    Darren Islar: nice talking to you :)
    Sharry Ragu: thank you for the discussion Darren, be well ::
    Sharry Ragu: ã‹¡
    Darren Islar: thank you !
    Sharry Ragu waves

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