2010.10.16 13:00 - Holding the Space in Compassion

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.Also there...Bruce, Archmage,Ewan and Storm.


    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Bruce:)
    Lucinda Lavender: How are you and Blub?
    Bruce Mowbray: Good afternoon, Luci!
    Bruce Mowbray: We're great - although a bit tired. Our paravatar spent the afternoon picking up litter at a major highway interesction today.
    Bruce Mowbray: and how are you?
    Lucinda Lavender: Wow that is so nice!
    Lucinda Lavender: I am a little tired to from trying to clean the grease out of the oven and cabinets etc.
    Bruce Mowbray: Good exercise for an old man -- and I always listen to dharma podcasts the whole time -- It takes 3 to 4 hours.
    Bruce Mowbray: House cleaning -- I need to do that too, but prefer to be outside when it is this nice.
    Lucinda Lavender: It is a beautiful sunny day here tho...listening to that sort of thing really makes the time go fast for me
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...I will be headed out after this:)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: what kind of thing was the podcast about...or what was most interesting to think about?
    Bruce Mowbray: The podcast I listened to today was Ken McLeod at one of his retreats --
    Bruce Mowbray: on "Mind Training" --
    Bruce Mowbray: I enjoying listening this way because for four hours I can give full attention to shat he's saying - without interruptions.
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you know about Ken McLeod?
    Bruce Mowbray: oops -- what he's saying*
    Lucinda Lavender: I have heard his name...
    Bruce Mowbray: sry.
    Bruce Mowbray: He wrote "Wake up to Your Life"
    Bruce Mowbray: teaches in L.A.
    Lucinda Lavender: I see...
    Bruce Mowbray: How about George Draffan -- Have you heard of George?
    Lucinda Lavender: no have not...
    Bruce Mowbray: He lives in Seattle and conducts workshops there -- and is a protege of Ken McLeod's
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Lucinda Lavender: and so do I...:)
    Lucinda Lavender: well the seattle part anyway
    Bruce Mowbray: thoght you might have heard of him since you're also from there.
    Lucinda Lavender: well I am not really affiliated with a Buddhist community tho I do have a dear friend who is a nun.
    Bruce Mowbray: well that would probably make you more affiliated than I am, then.
    Lucinda Lavender: and she invites me to talks and shares books
    Bruce Mowbray: That's wonderful.
    Lucinda Lavender: it really is:)
    Bruce Mowbray: I am SUCH a hermit -- I prefer to listen to the podcasts -- although I do attend a Quaker Meeting every week in RL.
    Lucinda Lavender: that sounds interesting
    Bruce Mowbray: and that is usually the high point of the entire week for me.

    Lucinda Lavender: have you been doing that for a long time?
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.unfetteredmind.com/
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Arch.
    Lucinda Lavender: thank you Bruce for the link,
    Lucinda Lavender: and Hi Arch:)
    Archmage Atlantis: That was freakiy
    Archmage Atlantis: The landing I mean
    Bruce Mowbray: " what, Arch?
    Bruce Mowbray: oh. How so?
    Bruce Mowbray: Looked to me like your landing gear were down and ready -- some problem?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes...I'm used to a faster speed
    Archmage Atlantis: The details are more hidden
    Lucinda Lavender: ah..
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmm. Arch already knows I've been picking up litter, Luci, so I will say something else that occurred to me while out there today. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: knows*
    Lucinda Lavender: nice:)
    Bruce Mowbray: It occurred to me how important it is to "hold this space" in a compassionate way -- for anyone who wishes to air her/his concerns here.
    Bruce Mowbray: That, it seems to me, is a primary responsibility for whoever claims a session.
    Bruce Mowbray: (although I do not wish to "lay a trip" on anyone. . . ) Just thinking that for myself, actually.
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: I want to be holder of space as well...tho my intellectual scope is not as wide as some...
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmm. . . Well, for me, "to hold the space for others' might also mean that I be still -- and allow whatever needs to happen to happen without my feeling a need to "guide" or supplement it.
    Archmage Atlantis: Intellect is words gone wild.......Compassion is other
    Bruce Mowbray: please say more, Arch.
    Archmage Atlantis: I would if I could
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) Well said.
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: How do you folks like the Jack-O-Lantern I built this morning?
    Lucinda Lavender: very nice!
    Lucinda Lavender: feels like a friendly one...
    Bruce Mowbray: It doesn't say much, though.
    Archmage Atlantis: I don't see him
    Bruce Mowbray: behind us, Arch.
    Lucinda Lavender: just saw a puff of smoke or mist...
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, my mothers's side. ..... a carved turnip
    Bruce Mowbray: no pumpkin?
    Archmage Atlantis: Not in Scotland
    Archmage Atlantis: in the 1600s
    Bruce Mowbray: They carve turnips in Scotland. . . ? (That sort of figures, I guess.)
    Bruce Mowbray: some special significance there, I'm sure.

    Ewan Bonham: Hi Folks...
    Archmage Atlantis: All Hallow's Eve..... *g*
    Lucinda Lavender: Hello Ewan:)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Ewan . . . Haven't seen you for a while.
    Bruce Mowbray: Good to see you again.
    Ewan Bonham: Yes...i have been around...but at different groups...different times..:)
    Lucinda Lavender: I seem to be having a hard time being quiet at the bell...
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Ewan
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmm. . . well - - - what's your suggestion about when folks arrive during the bell? Greet them -- or be silent?
    Bruce Mowbray: My preference is to greet them.
    Lucinda Lavender: mine too...
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Ewan Bonham: Mine as well..CAUSE THEY DO NOT REALIZE IT IS BELL TIME..
    Bruce Mowbray: Good point, Ewan.
    Lucinda Lavender:  yes!
    Lucinda Lavender: was going to say something about feelings and am struggling with that...
    Archmage Atlantis: To greet an entity into the circle has more power
    Bruce Mowbray waits and listens.
    Ewan Bonham: Nice issue of priorities..
    Bruce Mowbray: The bell was made for avi's - not avi's for the bell.
    Ewan Bonham: Interior on one hand...Interaction on the other..
    Lucinda Lavender: I like the strength of including others...
    Bruce Mowbray: There is more than one "circle" here.
    Lucinda Lavender: do you mean an unseen circle?
    Bruce Mowbray: "Interior" expands. . . and the "circle" expands - --
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Luci, many circle of INclusion.
    Ewan Bonham: Yes...
    Bruce Mowbray: (another connotation of 'compassion,' perhaps.
    Lucinda Lavender: curious if there are certain others we could name that we wish to include...
    Lucinda Lavender: or maybe that is not needed...
    Bruce Mowbray: For me, "all sentient beings" -- but I am privately thinking of specific persons, as well.
    Archmage Atlantis: My thought is that an invitation does not require immediate commitment
    Archmage Atlantis: Only an offer of being welcome
    Lucinda Lavender:  yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmm.. A wonderful idea, Arch. . . I'm thinking that at the beginning of a tradition Christian worship service there is ofetn an "Invocation" -- to invite God to join in. . .

    Bruce Mowbray: but not necessarily to "commit" the worshipers or God, for that matter, to anything.
    Archmage Atlantis: nods
    Lucinda Lavender: in dream circle we open the directions and this is acknowlegement around listening with the ears of the direction
    Bruce Mowbray: to listen in a specific way, Luci?
    Lucinda Lavender: I think everything is called forth
    Lucinda Lavender: 4 leggeds, swimmers, grasses, stones, etc
    Ewan Bonham: And often until someone is greeted they do not know if they are welcome..
    Ewan Bonham: No matter how many times they have been to the place..:)
    Bruce Mowbray hears more and more harmonics of "compassion."
    Archmage Atlantis: I wondered why Storm was nearby
    Archmage Atlantis: Now I understand
    Lucinda Lavender: listening in a way that reminds the dreamers that there might be information in the dreams that will come forth
    Lucinda Lavender: "with love and gratitude we open the gates of the North and listen with the ears of the north for the messages of the dream"
    Lucinda Lavender: Arch did you know that storm will be doing work with the land around here?
    Ewan Bonham: He has now moved the Town hall..
    Archmage Atlantis: No not at this time......
    Lucinda Lavender: I was wondering where the Kira Cafe will be...?
    Bruce Mowbray: . . . and he has moved and reduced the size of the Cafe, I think -- not sure about that, though.
    Archmage Atlantis: He is attempting preserve
    Bruce Mowbray: It is quite close, Luci --
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Bruce Mowbray: sry -- that's the Village Hall.
    Archmage Atlantis: As long as ppl think things are free, that stuggle will continue
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Storm..
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Arch. It's iportant that we each contribute as we are able.
    Bruce Mowbray: important*
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Storm!
    Storm Nordwind: Hi everyone. Sorry to be able only to come in at the end
    Lucinda Lavender: no problem...:)
    Bruce Mowbray: Aye, mate!
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Lucinda Lavender: How is the work going?
    Ewan Bonham: And you can see, out of both tradition and regard, the first thing we did was to welcome a new group member..:)
    Storm Nordwind: Much of it is done. Kira Japan needs moving, and that's about it. I have to dissolve the Cafe too. Then sell the land.
    Bruce Mowbray: but your will move the Cafe, then, Storm??
    Bruce Mowbray: you*
    Lucinda Lavender: Storm we have been talking about greeting and including others...pondering doing that dulling the silent bell time.
    Lucinda Lavender: during
    Storm Nordwind: I have already moved the Cafe, Bruce - or rather a 2/3 prim reduced one - and I've just sent out notices about it. You can see it through the trees from here!
    Storm Nordwind: A great topic Lucinda!
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- I thought so -- but could not find it easily with my present viewer.
    Ewan Bonham: I see the Town Hall..
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Sidney.
    Lucinda Lavender: Hello Sidney
    Storm Nordwind: Behind the hall and to the left is the Cafe
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Sidney
    Lucinda Lavender: ah...alot of people nearby:)
    Bruce Mowbray: I found the Cafe! Thank you, Storm!
    Lucinda Lavender: off to the west..
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for the LM, Storm.
    Storm Nordwind: You're welcome
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey Storm -- you were about to comment on welcoming folks during the bell . . .
    Bruce Mowbray listens. . .
    Storm Nordwind: I was? Oh... no I thought it was just a great discussion topic! me is a bit braindead after working day and night on the move for so long. I'll just listen :)
    Lucinda Lavender: we have talked about holding the space compassionately...
    Bruce Mowbray: . . . and widening the "circle" of inclusion. . .
    Storm Nordwind: How does "holding the space compassionately" appear to a newcomer when they arrive?
    Lucinda Lavender: I personally have had a more stirred up week than usual so how to hold the space has been a little difficult personally
    Archmage Atlantis: Ask the newest entity in attendence
    Bruce Mowbray thinks we're all Old Timers here. . .
    Ewan Bonham: My regrets...I must leave....this is an interesting discussion..:)
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now Ewan
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you for being here, Ewan. It's good to see you again.
    Archmage Atlantis: Ewan is the newest
    Lucinda Lavender: well...being greeted even when others are silent I think...bye Ewan:)
    Bruce Mowbray: Ewan was my very FIRST friend in SL.
    Bruce Mowbray: Way last March ;-)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Wow - time flies!
    Lucinda Lavender: yes!
    Lucinda Lavender: wondering how much different this feels arter the time...
    Bruce Mowbray: i cannot recall which of us offered friendship to the other, but it was a "first" for us both -- and we were both quite shy about it.
    Storm Nordwind recalls that "Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana" :)
    Lucinda Lavender: laughing
    Bruce Mowbray: I have been picking up litter all afternoon- and now must go and take a shower. . . my dog is complaining about the stink.
    Storm Nordwind: Oh dear!
    Storm Nordwind: Your dog should use SL instead :)
    Bruce Mowbray: May you all be well and happy and enjoy this weekend.
    Lucinda Lavender: have a great day:) and thanks ...
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks everyone.
    Storm Nordwind: Great to see you - as usual!
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Storm Nordwind: Sweep him up someone - please :)
    Lucinda Lavender: and off he goes...
    Lucinda Lavender: I need to go soon...the sunny day is calling...
    Lucinda Lavender: my opportunity to walk
    Storm Nordwind: OK! I will bid farewell to you all then

    Storm Nordwind waves
    Lucinda Lavender: waving...
    Lucinda Lavender: have a great afternoon Arch:)

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