2010.10.17 13:00 - Toward Halloween Re-treats

    The Guardian for this meeting was Maxine Walden. The comments are by Maxine Walden.

    This session focussed upon aspects of the just-finished Stuttgart retreat, but perhaps prompted by the presences of an anonymous very large carved pumpkin (jackolantern), we also considered aspects of Halloween.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi maxine
    Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku! How was the retreat?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was really nice
    Maxine Walden: :) so glad!
    Maxine Walden: looking forward to hearing about it...
    Maxine Walden: tho it is difficult if not impossible to really share in words the personal experience, I imagine
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was a bit split in my thoughts since there were only ppl whom attended the retreat on malta already, but having less participants also created more depth
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we´ve been talking about thoughts alot
    Maxine Walden: hi, josh
    joshposh99 Biscuit: join my group

    Not being aware that Josh, one day old in SL, had attended the guardian meeting earlier in the day, not realizing it was a closed meeting, I say

    Maxine Walden: Josh, see you are rather new to Second Life
    Maxine Walden: what group are you mentioning
    Maxine Walden: I will give you a notecard about this group, PlayasBeing
    Maxine Walden: ah, having trouble locating them. Yaku, do you have a notecard handy?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, moment
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i gave it a minute ago
    Maxine Walden: ah, thanks. Suddenly forgot how to give a notecard!
    Maxine Walden: Josh, this is one of our 4 times a day meeting times; you are very welcome to join us.
    Maxine Walden: we talk about a lot of things, but primarily about our experiences trying to explore the nature of reality. We do that primarily by trying to experience this very moment.

    I return to the topic of Yaku's experience of the retreat

    Maxine Walden: Yaku was just mentioning some of his experiences in a RL retreat, oriented to PlayasBeing, that he attended
    Maxine Walden: care to say more about the retreat, Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i we´ve been talking about monkey´s alot and used that as a metaphor for unhelpful thoughts
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: of course a lot of meditations with specific focus
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like being seeing practices with objects around us and visualisations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey burcce
    Maxine Walden: hi, Bruce
    Maxine Walden: Yaku is mentioning about the retreat
    Yakuzza Lethecus: having a small group really gave more depth to see everyone as a whole in more detail
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Josh -- Hi, Yaku, Hi, Maxine.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least that was my impression
    Bruce Mowbray: Great -- please continue, Yaku.
    Maxine Walden: yes, a small group does facilitate in depth focus
    joshposh99 Biscuit: what were you doing
    joshposh99 Biscuit: bruce
    Maxine Walden: Was just IM'ing Josh about the 90 second 'bell'
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey Maxine and Yaku -- This is Josh - who came here for the first time this morning.
    Maxine Walden: I see, did not know, Bruce. Sorry, Josh, did not know you had been introduced earlier...
    joshposh99 Biscuit: i will only be able to come this time because im from london and go to secondary school
    Maxine Walden: ah, well great. We may see you at this timeslot
    joshposh99 Biscuit: i will 99.9 percent come this time
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, you're always welcome here, Josh -- whenever you wish to come.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: For example the being seeing practices on the retreat cleared my definition of the phrase ,,being seing" since i constucted it´s sense a little different in the past.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Not by being seeing urself from an outside position but by other subjects.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: That was cleared a little through the practices and explainations by pema
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Actually, in these moments i know why i should make notes :)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: there happened so much and so little comes to mind right now :)
    Maxine Walden: I know what you mean, Yaku. No pressure meant, just interested about whatever might come to mind.
    Maxine Walden: Blub reminds me about repose, quiet, letting allcares seem to vanish, Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) Blub is happy to hear that, Maxine.
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, Steve, your nice outfit again
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you maxine, am appreciateing it more and more
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey Steve -- I'd like you to meet Josh -- a young man from London.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Josh, welcome and nice that you can join us
    Bruce Mowbray: Blub
    stevenaia Michinaga: I hope you find our little group intriguing
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm not sure Josh knows where the chat box is ---
    Bruce Mowbray: Can you see this, Josh?
    joshposh99 Biscuit: yea
    Maxine Walden: ah, there is so much to learn in SL. I also forgot how to give him a notecard just a bit ago.
    Maxine Walden: guess we all keep learning, and sometimes forgetting
    Bruce Mowbray: Josh's first day in SL -- MUCH to learn, indeed.
    joshposh99 Biscuit: yeah guess what time it is now
    stevenaia Michinaga: wow, excitng first day of the rest of your Second Life
    Maxine Walden: :)
    joshposh99 Biscuit: 9.30 pm
    Maxine Walden: in London, 9:30pm...and here in SL 1:30pm. Round world
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Eos.
    Maxine Walden: hi, Eos. Nice to see you; Yaku was sharing a bit about the retreat
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Maxine, Yak, St even, bruce, Josh
    joshposh99 Biscuit: hi
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi eos
    Maxine Walden: How was it for you? (difficult question, of course)
    stevenaia Michinaga: in 130 characters, like Wol
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/2010-10_Stuttgart%2c_DE/Retreat_reports%3a_Stuttgart_2010
    Eos Amaterasu: (that's less than 140 characters, I think)
    Maxine Walden: :)) yes, did see Wol's report.
    Eos Amaterasu: Sorry I missed Yaku's reporting
    stevenaia Michinaga: TY eos, I don't use twitter enough
    Eos Amaterasu: he was one of the stars of the retreat :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: I said a few things at the guardian meeting
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Eos Amaterasu: btw, there is now a consolidated email list for all participants of any previous RL retreat
    Maxine Walden: ah, interesting!
    stevenaia Michinaga: how many are on it
    Eos Amaterasu: we'll have to add links to sessions where retreatants are telling all
    Eos Amaterasu: 22, stevenaia
    Maxine Walden: (maybe less than 130 characters, Steve)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: heh heh
    Eos Amaterasu: when we have 140 characters at an RL retreat, that's called a retweet
    Maxine Walden: hahaha LOL
    stevenaia Michinaga: laughs
    Eos Amaterasu: Also, the hotel details are set for the upcoming New Orleans retreat, and will be posted shortly
    joshposh99 Biscuit: i have to go now
    Eos Amaterasu: bye josh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night josh
    Maxine Walden: thanks, Josh, for coming; we will look forward to your next visit
    joshposh99 Biscuit: bye ill come back adter school
    Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Josh -- See you again, I hope.
    Eos Amaterasu is curious as to what Yaku said about the retreat :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Be well and happy, Josh.
    stevenaia Michinaga: :), what are you studying?
    joshposh99 Biscuit: bye
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i watched wol´s report and she covered it already
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was talking about the monkeys and being seeing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: as well as the issue that i should take notes in order not to forget things :)
    Eos Amaterasu: it's all Lia's fault - she showed up in a monkey t-shirt!
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when i read wol´s report it feels like a nice reminder of what happened :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes indeed!
    Eos Amaterasu: We did the equivalent of walk and chew gum at the same time
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was thinking a retreat scribe would be interesting to have
    Eos Amaterasu: ie, practice while talking, discussing
    Eos Amaterasu: let awareness be, and let awareness see, while yakking
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: (not just aimed at Yaku :-)
    Maxine Walden: haha
    Bruce Mowbray: Believe it or not, there is a Zen tradition that does not meditate -- because they practice "awareness and presence" all the time.
    Eos Amaterasu ponders the notion of a retreat scribe
    stevenaia Michinaga: Genesis did a nice retreat journal for one of the princeton retreats
    Eos Amaterasu: does not formally meditate.... (?)
    Bruce Mowbray: [even when talking....]
    Eos Amaterasu: indeed, if you can't be that way here, you're not being that way, are you?
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Eos on that.
    Bruce Mowbray: Although I've never been to a PaB retreat, I understand there are periods of silence -- and meditation, also?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes and discusion
    Bruce Mowbray: None
    Eos Amaterasu: Usually the middle day is a silent day
    Bruce Mowbray: sry -- that "none" was to clear Blub's name label.
    Eos Amaterasu: silent meaning no talking except for "functional talking" like "pass the (what's the german word for salt?)"
    Bruce Mowbray: The middle day -- silent -- good "balance' for the retreat, that way.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i need some sleep, night everyone
    Eos Amaterasu: 'night Yaku!
    Maxine Walden: bye, Yaku, sleep well
    stevenaia Michinaga: night YAk
    Bruce Mowbray: G'night, Yaku. There goes our hope of learning the German word for salt.
    Maxine Walden: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Qt.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, mattc
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hello Qt
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Matt
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps the jack-o-lantern is scaring folks away. . . .(?)
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack-o'-lantern
    Eos Amaterasu zooms in on the jaco-o-lantern
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm sure not everyone knows who it's there
    Eos Amaterasu: Eeek!
    Maxine Walden: ah, maybe so! I could not discern who might have put it here, when I came. Vaguely wondered if it would 'act up' during this session
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh!—fruit loved of boyhood!—the old days recalling, When wood-grapes were purpling and brown nuts were falling! When wild, ugly faces we carved in its skin, Glaring out through the dark with a candle within!
    Eos Amaterasu is impressed!
    Eos Amaterasu: being scary!
    Maxine Walden: wonderful poem, Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: I copied it from the link given above.
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, great that you could just pull it out of the.... pumpkin!
    Qt Core: to be honest i'm quite disappointed (if not angry) at how much marketing is pushing Halloween here in Italy
    Maxine Walden: commercialism...
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, they do that with EVERY holiday in America, Qt. Worst of all is Christmas -- and most store here have Christmas decorations up ALREADY.
    Eos Amaterasu: whereas actually going to the places that are scary is an archetypal journey
    Bruce Mowbray: yukkkkk!
    Qt Core: yes, Bruce, but at least Halloween is part of your tradition, here it isn't
    Bruce Mowbray: Ih -- sry -- I meant the commercialism is yukkkkk -- not visits to the places.
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Qt Core: i found some carnival time sweets yesterday in the shop...
    Maxine Walden: afraid I have to go. See you all later.
    Maxine Walden: bye for now.
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Maxine!
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Maxine, always gtsy
    Bruce Mowbray: Halloween is BIG in America -- all the kids go trick-or-treating. . . a tradition that goes back for generations.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye Maxine.
    Qt Core: we have traditional celebration (mostly forgotten or ignored) for 21/10 or better 1 and 2 november of the same kind, the passage toward winter, the deads and such that's another reason i'm disappointed in importing a strager one
    Qt Core: 31/10
    Bruce Mowbray: Our "Halloween" is the traditional "All Saints' Day" eve, of course.
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, all Saints day isn't it (not my religion) strange that it's got all vpmmercial with ghosts and the dead
    stevenaia Michinaga: *commercial
    Qt Core: probably was the other way around steve, predating a previous pagan/celtic celebration of past generations
    stevenaia Michinaga: I suspect there are also roots older than christianity
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Eos Amaterasu: for sure
    Eos Amaterasu: Must go make supper - thanks and bye all!
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you, Eos. Be well.
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Eos
    Qt Core: bon apetit eos ;-)
    Eos Amaterasu: BTW, Qt, would you come to the Asissi retreat?
    Qt Core: at the momen is a go ;-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Super!
    Eos Amaterasu: Okay, ciao!
    Qt Core: ciao
    stevenaia Michinaga: I should be off as well
    Bruce Mowbray: Me too -- Eos made me hungry.
    Bruce Mowbray: dinner time for both of us.
    stevenaia Michinaga: me too
    Bruce Mowbray: Be well, folks.
    Qt Core: i'm appropaching midnight snack ;-)

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