2010.10.20 13:00 - Drop your past - Where?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.


    Bertram Jacobus: hello freud :-)
    Freud Jungsten: I am on a text only viewer, so I cna't see where I am at... grins
    Bertram Jacobus: ah i see - np ! you´re hovering besides the cushions - so : all fine ! :-)
    Freud Jungsten: Oh good... not sure how this is supposed to work.
    Freud Jungsten: But I needed something for my log connection speed.
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. i also heard from it only some days ago - that such exists
    Freud Jungsten: Not a big crowd today I guess.
    Bertram Jacobus: not yet ... only me so far and arch arriving ... ;-)
    Freud Jungsten: SL seems pretty slow today overall anyway.
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! i have it too - nearly happy to hear that - so it´s not my system
    Freud Jungsten: So I am just huvering?... Am I rezzed or a cloud?
    Bertram Jacobus: no. rezzed as a beautyful avatar ... ;-)
    Freud Jungsten: Thanks... I do try.
    Bertram Jacobus: you do very well i find :-)
    Freud Jungsten: I have been working on my SL look for years.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Bertram Jacobus: don´t most of us do that ? ...
    Freud Jungsten: Try to get Freud to look as much like me as I can RL... very hard to find an close skin, that was the hardest part.
    Bertram Jacobus: hello yaku ! :-)
    Freud Jungsten: When I first joined, I didnt.... was great fun.
    Fefonz Quan: hi all :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi fef :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi fefonz ! :-)
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Freud, Yaku, Fefonz, Bertram
    Fefonz Quan: O si yo
    Bertram Jacobus: i hope it´s still fun for you freud ! (?) ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: And all those who may be here that have not rezzed for me
    Wol Euler: hello everyone
    Freud Jungsten: Heya
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Wol!
    Bertram Jacobus: hello arch again - how is your connection currently ? i hope not too bad ?
    Bertram Jacobus: hello wol ... :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend wollie
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: Wol, Bert, Yaku - how was the retreat?
    Wol Euler waits modestly for the others to reply
    Freud Jungsten: What retreat?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, would have been better with you :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Wol.......still slow Bertram
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but still it was great
    Wol Euler: hello freud, hadn't noticed you there.
    Bertram Jacobus: quite nice - we will have a so to say "report session" on friday 7 am - is that correct wol, yaku ? :-)
    Wol Euler: saturday 7am
    Bertram Jacobus: saturday, sry
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, saturday i was confused since pema mentioned so many dates ,,he couldn´t make"
    Wol Euler: Freud, six of us met for a RL retreat in Germany last week
    Freud Jungsten: I am on a text only "viewer" so I am just anywhere it seems.
    Bertram Jacobus: silly me - wanted to write that (!?) - strange human faults sometimes (mine i mean) ...
    Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey boxy
    Bertram Jacobus: hello alf :-)
    Wol Euler: the group meets 4 times a year in RL
    Freud Jungsten: Where at?
    Alfred Kelberry: oi :)
    Wol Euler: it varies
    Archmage Atlantis: Odd, Freud was here when I got here, yet she is the only one I can't see
    Wol Euler: each time a different place (so far)
    Wol Euler: hello alf
    Alfred Kelberry: fef :)
    Wol Euler: to forestall disappointment, it's for guardians only, not public admission :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Alfie
    Freud Jungsten: I am planning a trip back to Munich next summer... if you are having one around then I might show up.
    Fefonz Quan: hey alf :)
    Freud Jungsten: Oh... never mind then... smiles
    Wol Euler: though we are considering how to include non-members too
    Alfred Kelberry: fef, when is "mazel tov" coming? :)
    Wol Euler: well, the problem wold be that the members have a huge amount of shared context and history
    Fefonz Quan: who knows? it's a mystery Alf
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Wol Euler: with a "beginner" there we'd be having to stop and explain every third sentnece
    Alfred Kelberry: exciting :)
    Wol Euler: yeah :)
    Wol Euler: fingers crossed.
    Freud Jungsten: Not to mention that my Deutsche ist zehr slect.
    Fefonz Quan: though for guardians that neer were on a retreat, similar problem might arise too
    Wol Euler: yes but no, fef. they at least know the concets and practices, from sessions here.
    Wol Euler: *concepts
    Fefonz Quan nods (silently)
    Archmage Atlantis: Wol, the guardians are like a secret ruling social class to those of us who attend regularly, but are not guardians......it decreases the pleasure of the overall concept of PaB. Imho
    Wol Euler: that is a fair opinion, arch
    Wol Euler: except that it's not secret and we don't rule :)
    Freud Jungsten: Sounds like a good excuse to have a drink though.
    Bertram Jacobus: there are retreats "all over the world", also in the us, canada, malta ... and last week also eos from canada was with us for example - our common language is still english i think so far ... :-)
    Wol Euler: yes, retreats are held in English
    Wol Euler: since the discussions here are.
    Wol Euler: else we'd be having to discuss translation and terminology for hours :)
    Fefonz Quan: I'm glad for it :)
    Freud Jungsten: and my philisophicl Tsalagi is a bit sparse anyway.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Fefonz Quan: (the retreat in Malta slid towards german frequently,...)
    Fefonz Quan: (so i practiced thappreciating the appearance of sounds i don't understand :))
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: if you're interested, freud, there is a section on the wiki called "Retreats", with people's reports on previous meetings
    Freud Jungsten: I will check that out.. thanks.
    Fefonz Quan: btw - beautiful hair color Wol.
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    Wol Euler: my favourite/usual
    Alfred Kelberry: beautiful legs, too :)
    Wol Euler grins.
    Archmage Atlantis: " except that it's not secret and we don't rule :)" - well perhaps not....but I would encourage that be looked at by Pila and the guardians
    Wol Euler: noted
    Archmage Atlantis: The impression remains
    Archmage Atlantis: Even for ones who read the wiki regularly
    Fefonz Quan: can you explaing this arch:"but I would encourage that be looked at by Pila and the guardians"?
    Fefonz Quan: (my poor english, sorry)
    Archmage Atlantis: I understand Fef
    Archmage Atlantis: It is a matter of perspective
    Archmage Atlantis: Knowlege and planning that is not shared
    Wol Euler: all knowledge is shared on the wiki, arch. There is no other location
    Archmage Atlantis: or not shared completelyu
    Wol Euler: even the secret guardians-only meetings are publlished there too
    Fefonz Quan: (maybe i didn't said it correctly - i truely don't understand literally what you meant Arch)
    Archmage Atlantis: Disagree Wol
    Wol Euler: then I too would ask you to explain
    Fefonz Quan: say*
    Archmage Atlantis: Timeliness of knowledge........chain messages passed only amoung the guardians
    Alfred Kelberry: :/
    Wol Euler: arch the only mesages we pass privately are about the organization of the retreats. And that is private even within the circle of guardians.
    Wol Euler: Nobody except Pema and Eos have any need to know what my bank account number is, for example
    Wol Euler: (because I organized the last retreat)
    Wol Euler: *all* other information is shared on the wiki
    Freud Jungsten: You can tell me... I promise to keep it safe.. grins
    Alfred Kelberry: *peeks to see woly's bank account*
    Archmage Atlantis: I state only how I see / feel.....perhaps it is a personal issue
    Freud Jungsten: I guess I don't really understand the workings, I just stop by here for a chat from time to time.
    Wol Euler nods. I accept that, Arch,
    Fefonz Quan: that's what i do too Freud
    Archmage Atlantis: Let us move to another topic, pls
    Freud Jungsten: What happends behind the scene is not really of concern to me.... to me
    Alfred Kelberry: where did your fluffy things go, woly? :)
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Wol Euler: which fluffies?
    Alfred Kelberry: the dress :)
    Fefonz Quan likes the word 'fluffy'
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t think so : i also have sometimes a bad feeling about a feeling which says inside me : two classes society ? i must admit ... but my idea is, that it is because of the permissions - at least refering to new visitors and seldom coming ones ...
    Wol Euler: oh, right.
    Wol Euler: well, I changed.
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening all :)
    Wol Euler: hello aggers
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo
    Fefonz Quan: Hy Agathat!
    Bertram Jacobus: sry. i´m so often late with my typings ...
    Bertram Jacobus: hello agatha
    Agatha Macbeth grins @ Berti
    Freud Jungsten: Just don't let it happen again.. grins
    Agatha Macbeth: Just type quietly Bert :p
    Bertram Jacobus: i can´t avoid it : i´m slow ...
    Fefonz Quan: nice color matchig agg
    Agatha Macbeth: ty :)
    Wol Euler: is thgat for tomorrow's Wear Purple Day?
    Wol Euler: -g
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh is it tomorrow?
    Wol Euler: I hope so :)
    Fefonz Quan: is there one? :)
    Wol Euler: hopeit wasn't today
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought it was today
    Wol Euler: oh damn
    Freud Jungsten: What is wear purple day for?
    Fefonz Quan: you can always claim it's the time zones :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hang on, I'll check
    Wol Euler: october 20, google says
    Wol Euler: so I missed it
    Fefonz Quan: ("it's tomorrow somewhere.....")
    Fefonz Quan: (goes for yesterday too)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, that's today by my reckoning :)
    Freud Jungsten: Well today is yesterday's tomorrow.
    Agatha Macbeth: (Maybe it's yesterday in New Zealand)
    Alfred Kelberry: *notes woly's hair* :)
    Fefonz Quan: purple day, puhurple day... puaw pau pau papauaupapapau pau
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Fonzie, quite...:))
    Freud Jungsten: So why purple and not... mauve?
    Agatha Macbeth: Same difference
    Wol Euler: "Tomorrow is "Wear Purple Day," also known as "Spirit Day." Join millions to show your support of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) youth by wearing purple to participate in Spirit Day and remember those teens who have taken their own lives as a result of anti-LGBT bullying."
    Freud Jungsten: Well, no.... I have some mauve pollish, but not purple... grins
    Freud Jungsten: OH that.... lol
    Wol Euler: eh, close enough. LGBT is inclusive :)
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Fefonz Quan: maybe because too many people don't know what mauve is ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Or lilac?
    Fefonz Quan: that's better
    Alfred Kelberry: fair point, fef :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Freud Jungsten: Now should be BGILTQQ
    Freud Jungsten: Lavender is nice as well.,
    Fefonz Quan: qq?
    Wol Euler: mm?
    Fefonz Quan: ll?
    Freud Jungsten: Queer Questioning
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Luci Lavender is nice, yes :)
    Fefonz Quan smiles under his mustache
    Agatha Macbeth: To me ll is Linden Labs ;-)
    Wol Euler: IDFIYSIB day perhaps
    Freud Jungsten: How do you spell that?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: IDFIYSIB
    Agatha Macbeth: T-H-A-T
    Fefonz Quan: with an H
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Freud Jungsten: Auf Deutsche?
    Fefonz Quan: nine
    Wol Euler: das
    Agatha Macbeth: 9
    Freud Jungsten: If I am going to get back over there I need to brush up on my German.
    Agatha Macbeth: Number 9 dream
    Wol Euler: you'd be surprised how easy it is, Freud. Eryyone your age and younger speaks at least some engllish.
    Wol Euler: *everyone
    Fefonz Quan: I had something bothering me concerning the 'no present-past-future' issue today
    Freud Jungsten: Funny enough, I found it easier to understand German's speaking English than understanding Brits speaking English.
    Wol Euler: say more, fef?
    Agatha Macbeth: Doesn't surprise me
    Wol Euler: yes, they speak more clearly.
    Archmage Atlantis: I prefer GLBTI as the acronym
    Fefonz Quan: somwtime we practice the 'only noe exists' concept (in RL aadn other)
    Fefonz Quan: yet, when i arranged an old closet, i found m some paper from my highschool
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: and it documented very clearly images of my highschool, friends etc.
    Freud Jungsten: What sort of papers?
    Fefonz Quan: and in the same manner it did when i read it other times in the past
    Fefonz Quan: (school magazine)
    Wol Euler: so you are telling us that your memory is consistent with your earlier memories? :)
    Fefonz Quan: so, although our memories of the past might be changing and fluid, documents stay solid and clear
    Alfred Kelberry: wol, with his earlier self :)
    Wol Euler: and that earlier self exists where?
    Agatha Macbeth: Earlier no-self :p
    Wol Euler: hello eos
    Bertram Jacobus: hello eos ! :-)
    Fefonz Quan: i don't know, but the document is a clear evidence of the past
    Alfred Kelberry: it's gone
    Freud Jungsten: Documents get pretty squishy as well when left in the wrong hands.
    Archmage Atlantis: Once had a decision about there being multiple spoken English languages.....British, US, Austrailian and the newly evovling "internet English"
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi AVs
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Eos
    Freud Jungsten: O si yo
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Eos :)
    Fefonz Quan: so yes Wol, memory of earlier memories is consistent...
    Fefonz Quan: we lost Wol...
    Agatha Macbeth nods. Crashed again....
    Freud Jungsten: I am not 100% sure the past of future exist... but I am not going to change anything I do over that doubt.
    Agatha Macbeth: Still having issues with her internet connection
    Fefonz Quan: So my point was, that no only memories, but people from the past, sheared experiences and solid document are sometimes so obvious, it's hard to think of no past in that sense
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Wol :)
    Fefonz Quan: hi Wol, great dress
    Wol Euler: ty
    Wol Euler: my purplest dress
    Eos Amaterasu: back from the virtual closet
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Wol Euler: for IDFIYSIB Day
    Liza Deischer: hi everyone
    Eos Amaterasu: purple seems to be today's color :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hey lisa ! :-)
    Wol Euler: hello liza
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liza
    Fefonz Quan: hi Lisa
    Alfred Kelberry: fef, neurologists say that we construct new memories every time we think of the past. which also corresponds to the concept of impermanence in buddhism :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, but that's why i brought out documents, pictures etc. and not memories.
    Freud Jungsten: Please expand on that Alfred.
    Eos Amaterasu: I have memories that I know are memories of memories
    Wol Euler: but the documents prove nothing to anyone but you :)
    Wol Euler: because they match your memories
    Fefonz Quan: well, my class mates have them too
    Alfred Kelberry: fef, and these documents brought memories :)
    Eos Amaterasu: "there's nothing you can see that isn't shown" / there's nothing outside experience of it
    Bertram Jacobus: i´ll leave - ty for the chat ! and may all beings be happy plz (!) ...
    Eos Amaterasu: will do :-)
    Wol Euler: bye bert. take care
    Fefonz Quan: and lately those class mates arranged a class reunion - so there are real actions happening inspired by the past, not just my fluid memories
    Agatha Macbeth: Be happy plz Berti :)
    Fefonz Quan: bye Bert
    Wol Euler smiles. I'm playing devil's advocate, and I should stop it. Because I tend to agree, really.
    Bertram Jacobus: ty all again ... :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: fef, inspired by the memories of the past :)
    Eos Amaterasu mutters to himself, Fefonz has real class mates?
    Agatha Macbeth: Sympathy for the devil....
    Wol Euler: I've noticed that peope who don't believe in time still have insurance and contribute to pension funds.
    Eos Amaterasu: though you _think_ you're in a play, you are anyway
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Fefonz Quan: well, maybe they do believe in the future, but not the past :)
    Eos Amaterasu: going meta on time doesn't make time crawl, stop, or speed up
    Agatha Macbeth: That's cheating!
    Fefonz Quan: going meta on time?
    Freud Jungsten: So how is this question relivent?
    Freud Jungsten: What will you do differently if you find out the past does not actually exsist, but everyone stil thinks it does.
    Eos Amaterasu: going time beyond time (such as eternity or the 4th moment) is going meta on time, so to speak
    Fefonz Quan: it is relevant for me, because sometimes I practice 'timelessness' ponit of view (very clumzy phrasing, sorry)
    Eos Amaterasu: ah, let's do that!~
    Eos Amaterasu: 90 secs coming up :-)
    Wol Euler: okay
    Wol Euler: that's just long enough :)
    Agatha Macbeth waves to 90 secs
    Freud Jungsten: Can you tell me more about that please?
    Fefonz Quan: can you give short instructions :)?
    Eos Amaterasu: [13:56] Fefonz Quan: it is relevant for me, because sometimes I practice 'timelessness' ponit of view
    Eos Amaterasu: can u say more?
    Fefonz Quan: like the exercize - "see yourself in the past, that contemplate your future, then - drop the past, then drop the future (and pema adds - then drop the present too))
    Fefonz Quan: "
    Eos Amaterasu: okay, that's great!
    Eos Amaterasu: Wol will keep time :-)
    Liza Deischer: so do I
    Wol Euler grins
    Liza Deischer: .
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: (/me waves to Yaku)
    Wol Euler: bing bong bang bong, bong bang bing bong!
    Agatha Macbeth: Big Ben?
    Liza Deischer: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: (Wol was using iPhone church bells as timer on retreat)
    Liza Deischer: and now 11 times Wol:)
    Wol Euler: yep :)
    Agatha Macbeth: OMG
    Fefonz Quan: Well, for me, it was quite dificult. trying to drop the past seemed like tring to run away from your shadow
    Agatha Macbeth: The bells made me deaf you know
    Liza Deischer: every 15 minutes?
    Liza Deischer: or only to make yu aware of dinner being served ?
    Eos Amaterasu: How about, when you notice the past notice that you've noticed, which means you've already dropped
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought that was a gong?
    Liza Deischer: not so sure
    Eos Amaterasu: One way to experience that is to exaggerate it: try to really really hold on to.... anything
    Fefonz Quan: it just floats up in front of me
    Liza Deischer: but then you will see you will forget about time a lot
    Liza Deischer: there is no clock ticking in our heads
    Fefonz Quan: dropping the past seems like dropping my identity
    Wol Euler: only if yo think you are defined by what you used to be :)
    Liza Deischer: that seems to be one of the problems yes
    Fefonz Quan: it's like dying?
    Liza Deischer: to me it is
    Liza Deischer: the question is, what is wrong or bad about dying
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably nothing
    Fefonz Quan: this is another question
    Liza Deischer: it creates new space
    Liza Deischer: new time
    Fefonz Quan: tell that to your young children
    Liza Deischer: and somehow we seem to 'miss' something
    Wol Euler ponders. I wonder why I see that differently, what exctly is different about it.
    Fefonz Quan: please say more Wol
    Eos Amaterasu listens
    Liza Deischer is wondering togehter with Wol
    Wol Euler: I'm looking for the reason :)
    Wol Euler: I think it's about the concept of dropping.
    Wol Euler: When I think of dropping my past, I think about dropping my attachment to my opinions about what as good or bad
    Wol Euler: not about throwing away what happened.
    Wol Euler: I don't say to myself, "that year was awful" and discard it forever.
    Archmage Atlantis: That is clearly said Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Annus horriblis
    Fefonz Quan: hmmm, i didn't title any good or bad about it
    Liza Deischer: true, but identity is often 'holding on to concepts about yourself'
    Wol Euler ponders.
    Eos Amaterasu: which Fefonz is the real you?
    Wol Euler: that would be fine, I think, if your concept matched to reality at all steps
    Liza Deischer: actually is identity no more then the way, a door, with which you communicate with the world
    Wol Euler: but so often they don't, because our wishes and our fears colour both our memories and our hopes
    Liza Deischer: but we think we are that door
    Liza Deischer: sometimes :)
    Liza Deischer: often probably :)
    Liza Deischer: I do
    Fefonz Quan: the one that can remembers all these past events, and that was in a way shaped by them?
    Eos Amaterasu: all these emotions of our keep holding us from giving our lives to a rainbow of being (Jimi paraphrase)
    Liza Deischer: hmm that brings up the question of what reality is
    Fefonz Quan: well, we like emotions, don't we? :)
    Liza Deischer: I sure do, especially the nice ones :)
    Agatha Macbeth: *some* emotions Fonz :)
    Eos Amaterasu: like is an emotion.... we can't do without them, or with them :-)
    Wol Euler: dropping the past doesn't mean rejecting it. It does mean refusing to let it control you.
    Fefonz Quan: yes wol, but that is a kind of 'psychological dropping'
    Wol Euler listens
    Eos Amaterasu: but sometimes emotions are totally "overtaking" you, and best you can do is give in and witness, without pushing further
    Fefonz Quan: this sense is more clear and less radical i'd say
    Liza Deischer: the question is, what is still there after you dy
    Liza Deischer: die
    Eos Amaterasu: who is there to watch?
    Wol Euler hears an echo of Eos's soft voice in her ears, and smiles.
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Liza Deischer: is reality still ther as we percieve it now?
    Fefonz Quan: the source of all the watching i've seen so far
    Eos Amaterasu ponders you dying, Being dying...
    Wol Euler: heh
    Wol Euler: that could be a theme session topic.
    Fefonz Quan: (or other answer to eos - i don't know who's there, but it's the same one that was there a minute ago)
    Liza Deischer: it is a contemplation in Buddhism
    Eos Amaterasu: (eos must go)
    Agatha Macbeth: (Bye Eos)
    Fefonz Quan: (bye eos, thatnks for the conversation)
    Wol Euler: bye eos
    Liza Deischer: both are contemplations in Buddhism :)
    Liza Deischer: contemplation-exercises
    Fefonz Quan: Liza - i intentionaly tried to avoid the point of after death issue... it's a heavy one
    Agatha Macbeth: Not to mention an unknowable one
    Fefonz Quan: and in a way we can contemplate things right now, not speculate about what happens then
    Liza Deischer: yes I understand, felt that when putting it forwafd
    Liza Deischer: but at the same time it does make things more ........close i guess
    Liza Deischer: but maybe I overstepped the line here
    Liza Deischer: if so, sorry
    Fefonz Quan: maybe when we fully realize what we are now, we'll have the answer to them :) (Fef being optimistic)
    Agatha Macbeth: Tu fui ego eris
    Fefonz Quan: no, no line issues liza, just thought ithe question in hand is complicated enough...
    Wol Euler: my dears, I hate to leave in the middle of a fascinating convesation, but I must. Goodnight all, take care.
    Liza Deischer: bye Wol :)
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Wol
    Archmage Atlantis: Ty you all, it has been informative today....bye for now :)
    Fefonz Quan: night Wol, good seeing you.
    Wol Euler: bye!
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Arch
    Liza Deischer: bye Arch
    Fefonz Quan: (Agatha - translation?)
    Liza Deischer: yes, I came in late
    Agatha Macbeth: What I am you will be
    Agatha Macbeth: Or something like that
    Liza Deischer: and maybe didn't connect well :)
    Liza Deischer: I'm not typing
    Fefonz Quan: ah, nice :)
    Fefonz Quan: bye Arch
    Fefonz Quan: I'll go to sleep too. bye all!
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now folks, be purple and happy...
    Liza Deischer: bye Agatha
    Liza Deischer: bye Fonz
    Fefonz Quan: bye Aga
    Liza Deischer: bye Freud
    Fefonz Quan: good night _/!\_
    Liza Deischer: nie
    Liza Deischer: nite
    Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i

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