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PlayAsBeing Wiki > Chat Logs > 2010 > 10 > 2010.10.23 07:00 - autumn 2010 retreat report (Stuttgart)

*The Guardian for this meeting was Bertram Jacobus. The comments are by Bertram Jacobus.*

Lia Rikugun: hello bertram, hello eliza

Bertram Jacobus: hey lia and eliza :-)

Agatha Macbeth: Hi Lia, berti :)

Lia Rikugun: hello agatha and eos

Agatha Macbeth: And Eos :)

Bertram Jacobus: hey eos and agatha ! :-)

Eos Amaterasu: hi lia agi bertie

Lia Rikugun: wb eliza

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liz :))

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: (Is Eliza with us?)

Bertram Jacobus: who knows ? ...

Bertram Jacobus: seemingly not -

Agatha Macbeth: Aww :(

Bertram Jacobus: hy pema :-) and alf :-)

Lia Rikugun: hi alfred and pema

Pema Pera: hi everybody!

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Pem, Hi Boxy

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Eliza, Pema, Alfy

Bertram Jacobus: hello bleu and aphrodite ! :-)

Lia Rikugun: hey bleu

Lia Rikugun: and aphrodite

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :) yes, I'm here... just a little difficulty signing on today

Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)

Eliza Madrigal: maybe the fireworks...

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Agatha Macbeth: And Aphro too :)

Bleu Oleander: hi Aph

Aphrodite Macbain: Hello all

Alfred Kelberry: oh, sorry, eos. almost landed on you :)

Eos Amaterasu: np :-)

Agatha Macbeth: He's boxed in :p

Eos Amaterasu: np completely

Alfred Kelberry: cosmic bleu :)

Agatha Macbeth: Starry stary night....

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Bleu Oleander: :)

Pema Pera: here in Tokyo starry night, yes

Pema Pera: almost full moon

Agatha Macbeth: Yay

Pema Pera: Jupiter brightly in the South

Pema Pera: a slight rainbow around the moon

Aphrodite Macbain: when do the clocks go back?

Alfred Kelberry: can you actually see stars in tokyo? :)

Pema Pera: blue insight red at the edges

Bertram Jacobus: here in cologne afternoon 4 pm :-)

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Pema Pera: a few, Alfred

Agatha Macbeth: Wol has been held up at the office in RL btw, will be with us as soon as poss

Bertram Jacobus: hy bruce ! :-)

Pema Pera: I'm in a "monk bar" now in Tokyo

Pema Pera: called "Vowz Bar"

Bertram Jacobus: whaow

Pema Pera: which is a play on words:

Aphrodite Macbain: what's a monk bar?

Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bruce

Alfred Kelberry: lots of drunk monks around? :)

Pema Pera: "vowz" sounds like "bohzu" for Japanese ears

Eos Amaterasu: a monkey with no I?

Pema Pera: "bohzu" means monk in Japanese

Eliza Madrigal: :) Eos

Aphrodite Macbain: an ear bar?

Pema Pera: so we all vow to really enjoy our drinks :-)

Aphrodite Macbain: hello Bruce

Pema Pera: and I just explained why I'm asocial

Pema Pera: staring at my computer

Pema Pera: hi Bruce!

Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone.

Pema Pera: but given that meditation is a staple of this bar, it's quite okay :-)

Bruce Mowbray listens.

Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good

Pema Pera: people around me at the bar talk about Vipassana, and various Japanese forms of Buddhism

Pema Pera: quite unusual in a bar (in RL!)

Eliza Madrigal: quite unusual in RL at all...

Lia Rikugun: wow :)

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Alfred Kelberry: oh, the earliest form of meditation

Eos Amaterasu: was common in Boulder & Berkeley in '70's :-)

Bertram Jacobus: hi steven :-)

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi steve. the gang's all here. how nice

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve

stevenaia Michinaga: morning

Bruce Mowbray Bruce remembers that from Berkeley in the 60's

Bleu Oleander: hi steve

Bruce Mowbray: hello, steve.

Alfred Kelberry: pema, i thought monks aren't allowed to drink

Aphrodite Macbain: just a taste of wine?

stevenaia Michinaga: thought they brewed only?

Agatha Macbeth: These are Japanese monks :)

Alfred Kelberry: spoiled japanese monks :)

Pema Pera: in Japan monks can marry, drink, be merry, anything goes

Aphrodite Macbain: lucky monks

Agatha Macbeth: If they made chips, they'd be chip monks

stevenaia Michinaga: woman monks too?

Pema Pera: Japan is not about concepts but about "real experience"

Eliza Madrigal: Oh sigh Agatha :)

Agatha Macbeth: Or friars

Pema Pera: oh yes, Steve!

Aphrodite Macbain grins at Agatha

Pema Pera: nuns too

Eos Amaterasu: womonks

Pema Pera: but then again, German and Belgian monks also make good beer!

Aphrodite Macbain: nonks

Agatha Macbeth: Bless em

Pema Pera: but let's not focus on my small retreat here

Eliza Madrigal: my coffee is somehow feeling inappropriate to the moment...

Pema Pera: lets return to Germany!

Eos Amaterasu: add Bailey's

Aphrodite Macbain: yes!

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Pema Pera: hehehe @ Eliza: you *could* add whisky

Aphrodite Macbain: tell us all!

Pema Pera: eos?

Alfred Kelberry: *sips eliza's coffee while she's not looking* :)

Pema Pera: hahaha

Eliza Madrigal: :) Alf

Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/Past_retreats/2010/2010-10_Stuttgart%2c_DE/Retreat_reports%3a_Stuttgart_2010/Stuttgart_retreat_talk_during_sessions collects Stuttgart & retreat talk from recent sessions

Alfred Kelberry: pema, woly was just saying last meeting how difficult it is to adjust to "real" life after retreat :)

Eos Amaterasu: (for l8tr)

Alfred Kelberry: i can sense some clinging in you as well :)

Pema Pera: making shifts is hard, yes

Aphrodite Macbain: what makes the shift hard?

Pema Pera: but practice helps: the more we do it, the easier it gets

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: this could be continuation of that

Pema Pera: yes

Pema Pera: yeah, Wol !!!

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Wol :))

Eos Amaterasu: classic Wol!

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)

Bleu Oleander: hi Wol

Agatha Macbeth: Did you run all the way home?

Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late

Alfred Kelberry: woly :) we were just talking about you :)

Wol Euler: yep :)

Agatha Macbeth: Aww

Wol Euler: which at my advanced age is quite an achievement.

Bertram Jacobus: heyy wol ... :-)

Pema Pera: so we accumulated so many questions for you, Wol !

Lia Rikugun: heyhey wol!

Wol Euler grins and waves.

Agatha Macbeth: Not to say potentially fatal...

Alfred Kelberry: glad your working saturday is over :)

Eos Amaterasu: I must say Wol lives in a beautiful city

Wol Euler beans

Wol Euler: *beams

Agatha Macbeth: Beans?

Pema Pera: hahaha

Wol Euler: freudian slip: haven't had lunch yet

Agatha Macbeth grins

Pema Pera: and an even more beautiful country side!

Aphrodite Macbain: which city is that?

Eos Amaterasu: yes, retreat locale was gorgeous

Wol Euler: Stuttgart, in the south of Germany

Aphrodite Macbain: Oh Stuttgart

Pema Pera: lovely city

Alfred Kelberry: porsche city

Wol Euler: and mercedes

Bertram Jacobus: hey fefonz ! :-)

Agatha Macbeth: Va va voom

Wol Euler: and a quarter of airbus

Wol Euler: and ibm europe ...

Alfred Kelberry: fef :)

Lia Rikugun: heyhey fefonz

Wol Euler: hello fef

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Fef.

Eos Amaterasu: a stag on top of a prominent building

Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fonzie

Fefonz Quan: Hello Pabonauts :)

Wol Euler laughs.

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Fefonz

Bleu Oleander: hi Fef

Alfred Kelberry: pabonauts - i like that :)

Pema Pera: hi Fef!

Agatha Macbeth: PaBonuts

Lia Rikugun: :)

Eos Amaterasu: retreat felt quite contained - six of us in a room with high windows, light

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Fef. I've been wanting to ask you -- In israel, does time move from right to left?

Aphrodite Macbain: yum!

Alfred Kelberry: let's jump into the pond and naut around :)

Aphrodite Macbain: how did you decide on the agenda?

Eos Amaterasu: rest, and then whatever arises is it

Aphrodite Macbain: did you have an objective?

Fefonz Quan: (for some it moves backward - tyhey live 3000 years ago ;))

Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

Aphrodite Macbain sits waiting patiently

Aphrodite Macbain: chugging back her coffee

Pema Pera: Wol, would you like to say more about the retreat?

Wol Euler: well :)

Pema Pera: you did such a great job in setting up everything

Wol Euler: I've already said an awful lot about it in various places and ways

Pema Pera: guiding us

Aphrodite Macbain: please

Agatha Macbeth: Say more :))

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Aphrodite Macbain: Were we not meeting today to talk about it?

Pema Pera: and lifting the tip of the veil in your writing -- so everything is thirsting for more!

Alfred Kelberry: fef, is the word "right" also considered "righteous" in israel culture?

Aphrodite Macbain thinks Pema is a poe

Pema Pera: pity that Yaku is not here

Aphrodite Macbain: poet

Wol Euler: to answer your question, aphro, the objective was to investigate what Playing as Being might mean, and what effect that might have as we did it

Agatha Macbeth: Edgar Allen

Pema Pera: poe like in pooh?

Pema Pera: ah!

Pema Pera: the telltale pema

Agatha Macbeth: Poe sticks

Wol Euler: that was the core of the week, I guess; all the exercises and discussions revolved around that at a greater or lesser radius

Aphrodite Macbain: that was a huge project to take on!

Pema Pera: but very natural

Eos Amaterasu: natural starting point is where we are

Pema Pera: and Yaku really jumped into the deep

Wol Euler: yes, pity about yaku. He had a great retreat (at least in our eyes, I hope he can see it too)

Eos Amaterasu: and what/where is that

Pema Pera: in a wonderfully brave and complete way

Wol Euler: pity he´s not here, I mean

Eos Amaterasu: Yes, very impressed with Yaku

Aphrodite Macbain: did you come to any exciting discoveries?

Wol Euler: individually I'm sure the ansswer is "yes", even if they are things that are hard to communicate

Aphrodite Macbain: Yaku is finding SL the best educational expereince he has had!

Wol Euler: I discovered how to sit zazen without hurting my knees. that was worth learning.

Aphrodite Macbain: experience

Pema Pera: but the RL with him was great, with all of us holding up gentle mirrors for each other

Aphrodite Macbain: what is sitting zazen?

Agatha Macbeth: Uncormfotable

Wol Euler: zazen is the formal name of the sitting meditation

Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

Aphrodite Macbain: oh

Aphrodite Macbain: that's why my knees hurt

Wol Euler: and yes, it can be uncomfortable

Fefonz Quan: (why pity about Yaku Wol?)

Aphrodite Macbain: he's not here

Agatha Macbeth: At least you spelt it right

Wol Euler: because he had suc h a great retreat and isn't here to claim his boasting rights

Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

Agatha Macbeth: Aww

Wol Euler: we all did, I believe and hope, but his was extremely so

Alfred Kelberry: wol, actually, you can stand if you want

Fefonz Quan: maybe he'll have a report session at another time :)

Agatha Macbeth: In voice

Aphrodite Macbain: He's not on line

Alfred Kelberry: in any case, you have to be comfortable

Pema Pera: I find it really hard to convey the unspoken connections we tend to develop in a retreat

Aphrodite Macbain: I find sitting cross legged is fine- just the hero''s pose is hard on the knees

Pema Pera: from silly smiles to simple nodding to opening our hearts in sharing little stories. . . .

Alfred Kelberry: besides, traditional cross legged sitting is more suitable for eastern culture :)

Aphrodite Macbain: yes, I suppose it is hard to share that kind of thing with others

Eos Amaterasu: I felt there was a sense of being okay and comfortable with each other, which also allowed a bit of energy to explore the boxing in of that

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: our limbs are not used to that

Fefonz Quan nods to Aphro, I have also hard time with the hero's pose

Eos Amaterasu: more allowing allows more energy & more allowing to just richly be

Alfred Kelberry: allowing takes time

Pema Pera: allowing ourselves to be seen worked much better than trying to see -- the rest followed

Wol Euler: it helped that we had all been together at Malta, it was a familiar group setting

Fefonz Quan: would you say that the fact that the retreat was contained in a specific space, rather than traveling back to hotel like in malta, donates more focus and energy to the retreat?

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: I'm curious about the process. It's so hard to create a comfortable, safe space where these feelings can arise

Alfred Kelberry: pema and other retreat veterans, do you find that with each meeting time required to become open and comfortable is shrinking?

Agatha Macbeth: Ah, Yaku is online...

Bertram Jacobus: hy yaku :-)

Wol Euler: helllo yaku!

Bleu Oleander: hi Yaku

Lia Rikugun: heyhey yaku

Wol Euler: so glad you came

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi, sry for being late

Agatha Macbeth: And here he is!

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Yaku.

Aphrodite Macbain: good question Alfred

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)

Wol Euler: and yes, that is my experience alf.

Alfred Kelberry: aph, i think that all it takes are people with open minds

Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Yaku! are your ears burning?

Alfred Kelberry: oi, yaku

Wol Euler: on the ohter hand, we had all known each ohter for years before we met :)

Pema Pera: hey Yaku, yeah!

Agatha Macbeth: True

Aphrodite Macbain: so your physicality made little difference?

Wol Euler: there were no surprises there

Pema Pera: for sure, Aphro!

Wol Euler: the meat av is just another appearance

Alfred Kelberry: yes, but rl has different dynamics

Eos Amaterasu: I think that we knew each other beforehand in RL (via Malta etc), and there was SL continuity before and after RL retreat, makes a diff

Wol Euler: the voice, the soul, behind it is the same

Pema Pera: of course, the communication channel gets much wider in RL

Pema Pera: but the sense of the essence of the person was there already

Bruce Mowbray: Folks, I have a weekend guest whom I feel duty-bound to feed breakfast at this time. . .

Wol Euler: :)

Bruce Mowbray: May a be well and happy this weekend.

Wol Euler: bye bruce, cook well

Eos Amaterasu: Chow, Bruce!

Bruce Mowbray: bye for now.

Agatha Macbeth: Take them to Macdonalds :)

Aphrodite Macbain: give them coffeee!

Bruce Mowbray: (Yaku, you can have my cushion, if you like.

Eos Amaterasu: Yikes, Lia poofed!

Aphrodite Macbain: bye

Bruce Mowbray: Bye.

Fefonz Quan: Hey Yaku!

Agatha Macbeth: C ya Brucie

Aphrodite Macbain: dont spill your coffee

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bruce

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Pema Pera: Yaku, would you like to summarize, briefly, how the retreat was for you?

Eos Amaterasu: Fef, retreat "containers" have varied widely: I do think they have an effect, but we "roll" with the effect

Agatha Macbeth: wb Lia

Pema Pera: wb Lia!

Wol Euler: wb lia

Lia Rikugun: heyhey

Aphrodite Macbain: There you are Lia!

Yakuzza Lethecus: it was ,,really great and i played as yaku very monkylike"

Wol Euler: :)

Pema Pera: hahaha

Pema Pera: YES!

Agatha Macbeth: Hey hey we're the monkeys

Pema Pera: we saw many Yakus . . .

Eos Amaterasu: notion of playing is very liberating

Eos Amaterasu: looking at Eliza

Fefonz Quan: can you expand "monkeylike"?

Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i usually go into everything with my beginnersmind

Eliza Madrigal: :) Eos

Alfred Kelberry: busy mind

Yakuzza Lethecus: then i have associations towards many different issues

Eliza Madrigal: quietly and innocently listening

Pema Pera: (the reason I'm here is because of a Monkee . . . Michael Nesmith introduced me to virtual worlds, and in half an hour I was hooked -- but that's just a side remark @ Aggers)

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Aphrodite Macbain: ask alot of questions?

Yakuzza Lethecus: pab related and or not

Yakuzza Lethecus: how to bring these thoguths in check

Yakuzza Lethecus: that is also one of my main focus about pab

Agatha Macbeth: Mike Naismith's mother invented correction fluid you know

Pema Pera: (I know , yes, but sorry, don't want to interrupt Yaku)

Agatha Macbeth: (Ok)

Yakuzza Lethecus: the exploration towards my perception of meditation and to understand the meaning of many words better is a tricky subject for me

Aphrodite Macbain chuckles at the thought. someoen who knows how to erase errors

Yakuzza Lethecus: even being seeing has been cleared a little further

Pema Pera: Yaku was a knight in shining armor, dealing with all of his monkeys all at the same time!

Wol Euler nods.

Yakuzza Lethecus: though those little practices we did for 10/2 minutes or even while talking the last day

Pema Pera: we even started naming them

Aphrodite Macbain: did you fight them or get to know them better?

Alfred Kelberry: is it required to be seen on a retreat?

Yakuzza Lethecus: Yes, but!

Wol Euler: yeah

Lia Rikugun: :)

Wol Euler: I htink we all had one of those

Pema Pera: yes, the "yes, but . . ." monkey

Pema Pera: he is one of the leaders of the pack

Aphrodite Macbain: the thoughtful monkey?

Pema Pera: "yes, I see this new insight, but wait there are the following problems with acknowledging it and integrating it in my life"

Pema Pera: "yes, but"

Eos Amaterasu: colour commentary monkey

Wol Euler: or "yes I did actually manage to do something I thought I culdn't, but that doesn't count because"

Wol Euler: critical monkeys

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey freud

Aphrodite Macbain: self critical?

Lia Rikugun: hello freud

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Freud :)

Wol Euler: hello freud

Agatha Macbeth: O si yo Freud

Aphrodite Macbain: welcome Freud

Pema Pera: (btw, my internet connection battery is running a bit low, I'm not 100% sure whether I can hang in here till the end of the hour -- if I poof that means I've lost my internet connection)

Fefonz Quan: Hi Freud

Pema Pera: jo Freud

Aphrodite Macbain: we won't take it personally tho we'll miss you Pema

Freud Jungsten: osiyo

Pema Pera: Lia, would you like to add something?

Pema Pera: :-) @ Aphro

Lia Rikugun: hm

Lia Rikugun: I was looking for the 'I' during the retreat

Lia Rikugun: but didnt find it yet

Lia Rikugun: will tell you :)

Pema Pera: great, Lia!

Pema Pera: not to find the "I" I mean

Lia Rikugun: :)

Aphrodite Macbain: Is there an "I"?

Eos Amaterasu: That's a highly personal question

Wol Euler: well, that's teh L$64000 question.

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: thought I'd ask it...

Alfred Kelberry: do you think if retreat accommodated say 20 people, it would not work?

Alfred Kelberry: *looks at the bell above*

Freud Jungsten: There are several studies out there that provide analysis on group size vs effectiveness with respect to group purpose and hierarchy.

Pema Pera: it would work differently, Alfred

Wol Euler: the advantage of a small group is that everyone can speak without it taking hours to get through a round

Aphrodite Macbain: I heard that 6 was the best number

Alfred Kelberry: freud, yes, 20 more devs would not complete a program faster :)

Aphrodite Macbain: never liked the # 6. I'd prefer#5

Fefonz Quan: The California retreat (Aug 2009) had 12 participants and i didn't fell it lacked in any way

Alfred Kelberry: woly, it sounds like everyone is fighting to have a word :)

Aphrodite Macbain: did everyone get a chance to hear and be heard?

Wol Euler: oh yes

Wol Euler: well, I htink so.

Eos Amaterasu: In multiple ways

Wol Euler looks around at the others.

Alfred Kelberry: thank you, fef

Eos Amaterasu: including by Being :-)

Lia Rikugun: yes definitrly

Fefonz Quan: (though we also had Stim there and fighting for his words is totally not his faculty :)

Pema Pera: I think 20 would work perfectly too, but in a different sense of "perfect"

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Alfred Kelberry: how many guardians are there? :)

Aphrodite Macbain: in total or here?

Alfred Kelberry: total

Agatha Macbeth: Quite a few

Wol Euler: plus or minus three

Eos Amaterasu: 62

Alfred Kelberry: omg

Wol Euler: (to aggers)

Eos Amaterasu: (on the wiki)

Alfred Kelberry: a lot :

Agatha Macbeth: Tho we never see many of them

Aphrodite Macbain: that's a lot to have in the same room

Alfred Kelberry: 62 participants would be more of a comic convention :)

Pema Pera: would still work

Pema Pera: in a different way

Wol Euler: I don't think 62 would work well

Agatha Macbeth: Two's company, 62's a crowd

Alfred Kelberry: yes, it would be fun

Wol Euler: heh

Aphrodite Macbain: each playing our monkey roles

Pema Pera: everybody listening and being seen more than actively broadcasting

Alfred Kelberry: well, they'd break to small groups of 5-8 people

Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm

Pema Pera: yet another option, yes

Aphrodite Macbain thinks she agrees with Alfred

Wol Euler: Bertram, I know I missed the beginning, but you've been quiet since I got here. What do you think of the retreat, now?

Alfred Kelberry: i can't see bruce

Alfred Kelberry: ah, he left...

Agatha Macbeth: (Berti is afk me thinks)

Wol Euler: pity

Bertram Jacobus: i wrote some about it already before wol - but to repaet and write it also here :

Agatha Macbeth: No...

Bertram Jacobus: mostly for me awareness became a bit more intense or better available and

Bertram Jacobus: i saw that it is very much all including ...

Bertram Jacobus: then ...

Bertram Jacobus: there are so many things, hard to describe -

Bertram Jacobus: a bit of the group feeling, pema also talked a bit about future plans ...

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alfred Kelberry: future plans?

Fefonz Quan: future plans?

Wol Euler: heheheh

Bertram Jacobus: and i was and am happy to hear that - that pab seems to be a perspective, will have a future as it seems -

Bertram Jacobus: lol

Wol Euler: funny how that makes people#s ears perk up

Bertram Jacobus: yes

Fefonz Quan: yes, the future looking mokey is a strong one

Pema Pera: oh, we planned our IPO for PaB . . . .

Aphrodite Macbain: Something we may be part of

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Alfred Kelberry: ipo?

Agatha Macbeth: What's an IPO Pem?

Aphrodite Macbain: hippo?

Pema Pera: initial public offering

Agatha Macbeth: Ah

Wol Euler: Initial Public Offering, selling ourselves on the stock market

Pema Pera: isn't that what it is called?

Aphrodite Macbain: what's that?

Aphrodite Macbain: selling?

Wol Euler waves the "that was a joke" flag.

Fefonz Quan: then we should consider our options hehe :)

Aphrodite Macbain: to whom are we doing this offering?

Wol Euler waves the flag a little big harder.

Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

Agatha Macbeth: Mammon presumably

Eos Amaterasu: in a way at the retreat we sold the notion to ourselves that PaB really "works" (or plays :-)

Alfred Kelberry: pema's jokes are... funny :)

Wol Euler: yes, right

Aphrodite Macbain sees the flag but is still curious about what prompted the expression

Pema Pera: just a joke, no deep meaning

Pema Pera: start-up companies live for the day of IPO

Aphrodite Macbain: one of my monkey at play I guess

Wol Euler: good thing Arch isn't here.

Wol Euler bites her tongue and rins.

Wol Euler: *grins

Eos Amaterasu: & the feeling that we can be together without much agenda, really, but just to "be", including allowing ourselves to be ourselves, was very.... compelling, warming

Pema Pera: so when ears pricked up, I decided to throw the carrot :)

Pema Pera: YES!

Bertram Jacobus: (lol wol)

Pema Pera: we had no agenda at all

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth missed the point of the Arch joke

Wol Euler: yes, I loved the way that we filled our days sensibly and usefully without having an agenda.

Aphrodite Macbain has a carrot in her ear

Bleu Oleander: (slips out quietly .... bfn :)

Agatha Macbeth: Why?

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleu

Wol Euler: bye bleu

Alfred Kelberry: poof

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu

Aphrodite Macbain: bye bleu

Pema Pera: Well, I really should talk now with the monks, as I promised, after an hour -- and with the other customers as well, who have been eyeing me with great curiosity.

Pema Pera: So, see you all soon again!

Wol Euler: heheheh

Agatha Macbeth: Not the monkeys

stevenaia Michinaga: thx Pema

Wol Euler: bye pema, take care.

Eos Amaterasu: from monkeys to monks, bye Pema

Alfred Kelberry: um, frued? are you sitting on wol? :)

Lia Rikugun: byebye

Aphrodite Macbain: by Pema- great to see you

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Pem

Wol Euler: shush, it's ok :)

Pema Pera: thanks again, Wol and Eos, for organizing the retreat!

Alfred Kelberry: don't drink too much, pema :)

Wol Euler: yvw

Eos Amaterasu: Freud slips up all the time

stevenaia Michinaga: next time invite them

Pema Pera: and all of the participants for joining us!

Pema Pera: bfn

Bertram Jacobus: ok - i´ll leave too ...

Aphrodite Macbain: Seattle, Assisi, New Orleans

Freud Jungsten smiles

Wol Euler: bye bert, take care

Lia Rikugun: bye bertram

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bert

Bertram Jacobus: tyvm all *wave*

Agatha Macbeth: _/!\_ Bert

Aphrodite Macbain slips away quiety to make breakfast

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone who´s leaving

Lia Rikugun: bye aphro

Alfred Kelberry: i like making breakfast

Wol Euler: bye aphro

Agatha Macbeth waves

Wol Euler: Alf, you had a question that I thought would have recurred by now, I'll ask it again on your behalf.

Wol Euler: [07:39] Alfred Kelberry: is it required to be seen on a retreat?

Alfred Kelberry: oh, stev! you look, um... lovely :)

stevenaia Michinaga: thank you Alfred..smiles

Wol Euler: "letting yourself be seen" was the ... core say of several exercises that we did during the week

Wol Euler: it's a way of dropping yourself as a fixed concept

Wol Euler: because "you" is only fixed from the inside

Alfred Kelberry: yes, but... what if you're not willing or ready? can you just sit and observe?

Wol Euler: yes of course :)

Alfred Kelberry: ok :)

Alfred Kelberry: this will work for me then :)

Wol Euler: but on the other hand: where else would you have a better time and place to take on something risky like that?

Wol Euler: isolated from anyone who might be critical of you /except you and your monkeys)

Wol Euler: and surrounded by trusted and well.-known friends

Alfred Kelberry: risky? is it really? :)

Wol Euler: all of whom are doing the same risky thing.

Agatha Macbeth: Critical monkeys

Wol Euler: risky in the sense of frightening

Wol Euler: as you said

Alfred Kelberry: i didn't actually

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

Alfred Kelberry: i said not willing or ready

Fefonz Quan: strange, i get now messages that seem like they belong to a much earlier discussion... guess it's the lag kicking in

Eos Amaterasu: being authentic and open to myself can be risky

Alfred Kelberry: yes, fef. it happens.

Eos Amaterasu: monkeys are good distraction

Wol Euler: that's their function, they keep the mind from looking at itself too closely

Eos Amaterasu: they get really loud then :-)

Wol Euler: yeah :)

Wol Euler: looks like Freud's connection failed again

Agatha Macbeth: At least she stopped typing

Wol Euler: :)

Fefonz Quan: Alf, from my experience, risking being seen can be of the most liberating acttions of on'es life

Alfred Kelberry: woly, did you all spoke german?

Wol Euler: it is frightening and risky, yes, to look into yourself without filters, without the usual excuses and reasons that we give ourselves for waht we ahve done.

Wol Euler: and especially frightening then to tell the rest of the gorup what you saw!

Alfred Kelberry: yes, i know, fef :)

Wol Euler: five out of six could speak German, but the retreat was inEnglish

Lia Rikugun: (will go off too, nice to see you! byebye)

Yakuzza Lethecus: take care lia

Wol Euler: bye lia, take care

Eos Amaterasu: bye Lia!

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Lia

Fefonz Quan: bybye Lia! take care, great seen you

Alfred Kelberry: i don't see it this way, woly. it's rather curious.

Fefonz Quan: sdf

Eos Amaterasu: many of us are down on ourselves, and just sharing that is risky

Wol Euler: I heard you, fef, the lag is on your side only :)

Eos Amaterasu: but then sharing it opens it up

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Fefonz Quan: good :)

Alfred Kelberry: hi, fef :)

Alfred Kelberry: inside we clear seeing

Wol Euler listens

--BELL--

Fefonz Quan: once you once see how it is without the barriers, you can realize the huge amount of energy we spend every minute to protect and hide ourselves

Wol Euler: right

Wol Euler: oops

Alfred Kelberry: true, fef

Eos Amaterasu: Must leave - thanks for splendid session!

Alfred Kelberry: yea, me too

Wol Euler: thank you, eos.

Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Eos

Wol Euler: bye for now

Alfred Kelberry: thank you for the company

Fefonz Quan: Bye Eos

Agatha Macbeth: Watch out for caribou

Wol Euler: bye alf, take care.

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone

Fefonz Quan: bye Alf

Wol Euler: bye yaku

Agatha Macbeth: Bye yaku

Agatha Macbeth: And Alf

Wol Euler: so, there you have it.

Wol Euler: that was the retreat that was.

Fefonz Quan: ?

Agatha Macbeth: Or not as the case may be

Fefonz Quan: or a glimpse of the retreat that was

Agatha Macbeth: Have you had your dinner yet Wol?

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: words cannot express the etc etc etc

Fefonz Quan: Wol's too early for dinner

Wol Euler: haven't had lunch

Agatha Macbeth: No, too late - that's the point :)

Wol Euler: going to go downtown and go shopping when we finish ere

Fefonz Quan: ah' linner

Wol Euler: buy some stuff.

Wol Euler: heh

Agatha Macbeth: Easier to keep it in the fridge

Fefonz Quan: Bye Wol, and Bye Aphro

Wol Euler: bye fef, take care.

Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Fonz

Fefonz Quan: _/!\_

Agatha Macbeth: Aphro?

Fefonz Quan: (Agatha, sorry...

Agatha Macbeth: Well, we both have red hair I guess

Wol Euler: :)

Fefonz Quan: :-)

Wol Euler admires your crocodile print latex pants

Agatha Macbeth: Why thank you :p

Wol Euler: :)

Agatha Macbeth: They're part of another outfit - I just changed the top

Wol Euler: in SL no species is endangered.

Agatha Macbeth: Good!

Agatha Macbeth: If only RL were similar

Wol Euler: yeah

Wol Euler: I say that often, in many senses

Agatha Macbeth smiles

Agatha Macbeth: Fracturing tonight?

Wol Euler: sorta kinda myaybe

Wol Euler: noctis and beta are at a RL event cum protest thingy in Chicago

Wol Euler: so they won't be here

Agatha Macbeth: :(

Wol Euler: no formal dance and no djs then, unless somebody volunteers to step up

Wol Euler: and the only ones who did that in the past are selcome in SL now

Agatha Macbeth: Couldn't Sen do it?

Wol Euler: that's who I meant :)

Agatha Macbeth: Ah

Agatha Macbeth: Duh

Wol Euler: she and pink have become recluses

Wol Euler: at least as far as fracture goes

Agatha Macbeth: Aww

Wol Euler: but ... the grotbox will be playing, the dances will work.

Wol Euler: so who knows ....

Agatha Macbeth: You could DJ?

Wol Euler: no

Agatha Macbeth: Why?

Wol Euler: don't have access permission to take control of the broadcast

Agatha Macbeth: Damn

Wol Euler: other than that, I could.

Agatha Macbeth: How many do then?

Wol Euler: six or eight

Wol Euler: maybe ten even

Agatha Macbeth: And none of them are available?

Wol Euler: no, wait, I'm counting avs :)

Agatha Macbeth: Ah

Wol Euler: in RL bodies it's probably only six :)

Agatha Macbeth: Hm

Wol Euler: let's say that the event was known for a while and nobody volunteered to cover for N & B

Agatha Macbeth: Bugger

Wol Euler: yeah

Agatha Macbeth: Trouble is, it's a bit early for many of the Yanks i suppose

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: and the djs are all americans AFAIK

Agatha Macbeth nods

Agatha Macbeth: Does Jube DJ?

Wol Euler: no, just hostessing

Agatha Macbeth: Oh well, I'll see if you're online around 12.30 SLT

Agatha Macbeth: If you are I'll come along

Wol Euler: I'll definitnely be back in SL, only question is where and how much I'll be wearing :-P

Agatha Macbeth: As always :p

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: bye for now

Agatha Macbeth: Go and feed :)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: yeah

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