2010.10.26 07:00 - Benoit Missed it

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments and edits are by Riddle Sideways.

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    factoid #1 - there was a visitor that never answered whether it was okay to be recorded and published.  With accordance with what the guardian group wishes, I had it edit all refs (think I got them all) out.
    Factoid #2 - For about the first time, Riddle had a topic and an agenda for this session.  Riddle thought about what Benoit Mendelbrot meant over the years.  Personally, the sometimes egotistical Benoit (who, forced a self named set of a corner of one part of a choatic landscape down out throats) who was an good/evil genius, was number 9 in the list of wedges into what you might label the "Norm".  That topic and the forcing of it's introduction was trashed.  Or was it.  Observe the choas...  When any one side of ___ is being forced, observe the opposite surfacing.   Observe the Choas.
    Factiod #3 - there was more going on in IM behind this chat session then I have ever seen.  It does not show, but "WTF" was going on.  When this much ____ is happening, I (personally, ALWAYS) sit up and pay attention because something is about to be revealed
    Factoid #4 - IMHO this session is both the best of times and the worst of times.  I wanted to leave.  Some others acted like they wanted to leave.  There was a moment when it was all worth it.  There was real "Choas".  Not just complexcity, but madness bordering Choas. I thank the AVs that remained.  I know why some left [edited out]. 

    Factoid #5 - (forgotten... maybe add later).

    Riddle Sideways: good morning, Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Riddle.
    Riddle Sideways: I was gone for a little and only reading the chat logs
    Bruce Mowbray: sure. np.
    Riddle Sideways: so much happens here. So much to catch up on
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) THAT's for sure!
    Riddle Sideways: how do you keep up so well
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I'm sure that I'm missing out of several things . . . but I am fortunate in that I am retired and have plenty of time.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Aph!
    Riddle Sideways: Hello Aphrp
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi all
    Aphrodite Macbain: What is MMI?
    Aphrodite Macbain: hiya Bertram. You made it
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hey everybody (partly : again) ... :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm he left!
    Aphrodite Macbain: curiouser and curiouser
    Bertram Jacobus: you mean bruce aph`?
    Riddle Sideways: comes and goes

    Riddle Sideways: lost Bruce this time
    Bertram Jacobus: and riddle ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: strange ... :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: He's 52 m away
    Bertram Jacobus: lol . the radar is a nice thing isn´t it aph ? ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. Nice to know who's in the vicinity without having to click on Communicate
    Aphrodite Macbain: let me thest this...
    Riddle Sideways: where do I get one of those radar units?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes . and it also gives you the range so that you know whether somebody is in cat or shouting range ... :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: are you OK Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: like now
    Riddle Sideways: IM still works tho..
    Aphrodite Macbain: True. But that's handy if they're out of chat range too
    Aphrodite Macbain: I feel like I'm spying though...
    Riddle Sideways: ok, distractions abound
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: What's up with you riddle?
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t feel so ... spying - only watching what´s going on around me ...
    Riddle Sideways: The important thing is to let you all know
    Aphrodite Macbain: Alfred's on his way!
    Riddle Sideways: if you did not know already
    Alfred Kelberry: wee!
    Riddle Sideways: that a great mathematician died
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Alf! great to see you
    Riddle Sideways: Benoit Mandelbrot
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm just from kira japan evening :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: who was that Riddle
    Bertram Jacobus: like all things : one can use them for nice purposes and also for not so nice ones ... ;-9
    Bertram Jacobus: and heyy alf(i) ! :-)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Alf
    Aphrodite Macbain: I've never been to one of those Alfred
    Aphrodite Macbain: who was the mathematician Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: Benoit Mandelbrot died 14 Oct
    Riddle Sideways: at 85
    Aphrodite Macbain: Here comes Bruice
    Aphrodite Macbain: he he
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, it's mostly in japanese. that's why i built this translator to talk to them :)
    Riddle Sideways: father of Mandelbrot set
    Riddle Sideways: thanks bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, mandelbrot... yes, patterns of life
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh. You're speaking in rectangles
    Alfred Kelberry: sorry, turned it off
    Aphrodite Macbain: genetics
    Bruce Mowbray: I nearly fractaled by angle by tripping over the fountain just then.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hehe
    Bruce Mowbray: my angle*
    Bertram Jacobus: hello bruce - sry - i´m even slower as i am anyway lol because i try this ... hm 2.0 viewer ... ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: fractals really helped the early 3d efforts (in the 80s, i think) to render landscape
    Aphrodite Macbain: tell more please Alf
    Aphrodite Macbain: They allowed maps to be morwe accurate?
    Riddle Sideways: I remember playing for months making 3D Mandelbrot landscapes
    Aphrodite Macbain: hmm never did that.
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, I remember designing my own fractals programming in Visual Basic.
    Riddle Sideways: here is a link, but for later
    Riddle Sideways: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/ge...59&tag=nl.e101
    Aphrodite Macbain: where did you both learn about fractals?
    Aphrodite Macbain: They weren't part of my education
    Riddle Sideways: from choas therory
    Aphrodite Macbain feels very old now
    Bruce Mowbray: Books about Mandelbrot. . . and chaos theory.
    Alfred Kelberry: well, the computers at the time didn't have that much power, so fractal geometry allowed to run the loop and get a natural-looking shapes - something like that :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh. that things always form into patterns given time?
    Riddle Sideways: computers were not part of my edu
    Bruce Mowbray: some of them actually had fractal programs in them -- anmd I copied those into Visual Basic and modified them.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is Visual Basic?
    Riddle Sideways: Mandlebrot did his first visualizations on paper
    Bruce Mowbray: VB is a Microsoft programming tool.
    Riddle Sideways: manual calcs without computer
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh. why would I use it?
    Aphrodite Macbain: or better, how would I use it?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Riddle -- Benoit M. was pretty amazing that way. He was an IBM mathematician -- and may still be for all I know.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is he the one that just died?
    Riddle Sideways: Bruce, Benoit died last week
    Alfred Kelberry: fractals were also used in building better antennas
    Bruce Mowbray: I will check to see if he died recently.
    Alfred Kelberry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal_antenna
    Aphrodite Macbain: better antennas!? Oh, thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: He died only two weeks ago.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have this image of a wild decorative complicated antenna in many colours
    Riddle Sideways: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beno%C3%AEt_Mandelbrot
    Bertram Jacobus: whaaaa - this viewer makes me crazy - "have to" change ! sry lol brb
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! bert!
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, poor berty :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: wb bert
    Riddle Sideways: not sure what drives bert crazy about 2.0 browser
    Bruce Mowbray: wb Bert.
    Alfred Kelberry: i like v2 :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: me2
    Riddle Sideways: works for me
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm in V2 myself right now.
    Bertram Jacobus: ty - pheww - now my world is oke again ... :o)
    Aphrodite Macbain: me2
    Riddle Sideways: what is different?
    Bruce Mowbray: V2 does not have radar, for one thing.
    Aphrodite Macbain: can't remember
    Bertram Jacobus: for example : i can see which viewers you use
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can't or don't know how to
    Riddle Sideways: is that important?
    Alfred Kelberry: josh, can you please explain what's the group for?
    Bruce Mowbray: with Phoenix one can see how far away other avis are.
    Aphrodite Macbain: after the silence
    Bertram Jacobus: and with a radar i can even see many people in wide range
    Bertram Jacobus: a build in set everywhere function ...
    Aphrodite Macbain: sshhh
    Bertram Jacobus: i can see who looks at what if i like - such features ...
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: oops - sry
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: *looks up at the bell*
    Bruce Mowbray: Going to Phoenix now . . . brb.
    Riddle Sideways: not all have to observe silence
    Aphrodite Macbain: better view alf?
    Alfred Kelberry: um... just felt like stretching a bit :)
    Alfred Kelberry: disturb the air particles :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and before i did a typo : i meant : sit everywhere function ... ;o)
    Aphrodite Macbain: ??
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmmm, if an Alfred walks in a circle in SL will it make a _____ in _____
    Bruce Mowbray will try out the 'sit anywhere' function.
    Bertram Jacobus: bruce - i see you still with viewer 2.0 - is that correct or the lag i know from the showing of that ? ... ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain scratches her head to figure out how that works
    Alfred Kelberry: a riddle's riddle :)
    Alfred Kelberry: um, riddle? what's the answer? :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: gets abit wet
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Bertram Jacobus loves blub :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: what's the question?
    Alfred Kelberry: a puzzle from riddle
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, was off on "if a butterfly flaps ..."
    Aphrodite Macbain: Tokyo
    Riddle Sideways: ah you can sit Alf
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nice Alf
    Aphrodite Macbain: looks a little hard on the back
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, on non-animated surfaces
    Aphrodite Macbain: You've lost your legs bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: aph is very observant today :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's the coffee
    Alfred Kelberry: full of senses :)
    Riddle Sideways: Not of the Mandelbrot set, but very pretty strange attractors at http://www.chaoscope.org/gallery.htm
    Alfred Kelberry: ha!
    Riddle Sideways: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: this is my zombie dance
    Alfred Kelberry: um... she doesn't move
    Riddle Sideways: can do the dead aphro float in fountain
    Aphrodite Macbain: bublublub
    Alfred Kelberry: *turns aph on her back*
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Alfred Kelberry: um... i would if i should do this mouth thing
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can't fix it I'm laughing so hard!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: boo!
    Bertram Jacobus: nice :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: miss entertaining :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: neat :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: haa better now
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce laughed so hard that he crashed? :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: That was my zombie dance
    Aphrodite Macbain: far too much coffee
    Alfred Kelberry: how about tea?
    Bertram Jacobus: i have something similar ...
    Bertram Jacobus: it seems i am obsessed !
    Riddle Sideways: was that v2 gestures, phenox or other?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh dear. Sorry Bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: mermaid? :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice bert!
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Riddle Sideways: would be very nice to know what browsers ppl were using
    Riddle Sideways: could know how they are looking at life
    Aphrodite Macbain: ?
    Riddle Sideways: rose coloured browsers
    Bertram Jacobus: i use firefox ...
    Aphrodite Macbain: what difference does a browser make? I use maxon
    Aphrodite Macbain: wb bruce!
    Riddle Sideways: we have choice of SL viewers/browsers
    Aphrodite Macbain: blub
    Riddle Sideways: even more choices of RL lens
    Riddle Sideways: wb blub
    Aphrodite Macbain: That was kind of weird to see myself face down in a pool
    Bertram Jacobus: i try to learn a bit the 2.0 viewer to help new people here - most use it at least as beginners
    Riddle Sideways: meta self watching
    Bruce Mowbray: I was mighty worried for a minute, Aph.
    Bertram Jacobus: myself, i prefere pheonix
    Aphrodite Macbain winks at Riddle
    Aphrodite Macbain grins at Bruce
    Bertram Jacobus: but i think i will check imprudence soon too - again : to help others : it´s said, it would work better on older computers ...
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks for your concern
    Alfred Kelberry: mmm... brunost - *nom*
    Aphrodite Macbain: imprudence?
    Aphrodite Macbain: not another one
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. it´s another viewer for sl ...
    Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
    Bruce Mowbray: that's the name of another viewer, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: wwhat makes it diffeerent?
    Bertram Jacobus: needs fewer ressources some say
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm used to SL2 now and am hesitant to change again
    Riddle Sideways: would be so limiting to only view life thru one viewer
    Aphrodite Macbain: limiting perhaps, but simpler
    Bertram Jacobus: i understand that very well aph ! ... ;-9
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - but it can be quite comfortable being used to one ...
    Bertram Jacobus: as long as it works at least ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I keep forgetting how change/find things
    Bertram Jacobus: may be also a point how much time one invests
    Riddle Sideways: how would you know it works if you only try one
    Aphrodite Macbain: so changing to another system adds to my discomfort
    Riddle Sideways: might not do everything
    Alfred Kelberry: berty, how much one is open
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm sure they will all work, I just find that it's simpler to stick to one if it works find.
    Bertram Jacobus: and that´s a point too : so many variations to play ! :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Change for change sake makes no sense to me any more
    Bruce Mowbray: When I was stuck in Limbo a couple of weeks ago, I tried several different viewers. . . then decided that the problem was with SL - not with the viewer...
    Alfred Kelberry: yes we can :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am curious about how I can change my appearance for the new exhibition proposal
    Bruce Mowbray: but it gave me some experience with a few new viewers. . .
    Bertram Jacobus: but alf, the time aspect is also important : how to try them all when one gives not so much time in here ...
    Bruce Mowbray: and I like V2 and Phoenix the best.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll bet it did Bruce. You had a good reason to try something new
    Aphrodite Macbain: You were stuck!
    Bruce Mowbray: @Aph -- A I understand it, we are to keep our present avis but just change the clothes, shapes, etc.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. but I'm tempted to use another avi so that this one can attend metings etc and not freak people out!
    Aphrodite Macbain: meetings
    Bruce Mowbray: I'd suggest making the changes and then saving them as an "outfit" -- so you can return to your present appearance quickly.
    Bruce Mowbray: If you use another avi, we might not recognize you, Aph (different name labels, etc.)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, of course. You're right. I'll stick to this red head
    Aphrodite Macbain: But mabe we wont be able to recognize each other any way if we drop what we are
    Aphrodite Macbain: much of what we are is what we look like
    Bruce Mowbray: Noo -- drop what we HAVE to be what our AVI is.
    Aphrodite Macbain: who is "we"?
    Bruce Mowbray: or, have the avi drop what it HAS in order to BE what it is.
    Bruce Mowbray: a challenge, ??? no?
    Aphrodite Macbain: It is indeed
    Riddle Sideways: we should drop what we Have
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, folks. We are going to get 70 mph winds here very soon -- so I need to leave and pick up stuff (like lawn furniture) now.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
    Bertram Jacobus: [bye bruce] ... :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
    Alfred Kelberry: stay safe, bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: 90 seconds of silence?
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!
    Alfred Kelberry: *hugs aph*
    Bertram Jacobus lols :o)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not leaving quite yet!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hey alf
    Riddle Sideways: bye bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: it's a 90 sec silent hug :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: nothing like a wet cardboard hug
    Aphrodite Macbain: be careful you don't fall in again
    Bertram Jacobus: *giggle*
    Alfred Kelberry: hey, i have an advanced embedded drying system :)
    Bertram Jacobus: coooool
    Aphrodite Macbain: aha is sit engineered by fractals?
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: do you get to change your tie Alf?
    Aphrodite Macbain: How are you going to drop what you have?
    Alfred Kelberry: um... it's a scarf
    Aphrodite Macbain: ok scarf
    Alfred Kelberry: not really
    Alfred Kelberry: i like it
    Alfred Kelberry: i did change my av though :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: So you never need to fuss with your appearance?
    Alfred Kelberry: not with boxy. he's cute as is :)
    Riddle Sideways: what was your av before?
    Alfred Kelberry: my rl clone :)
    Alfred Kelberry: well, similar
    Aphrodite Macbain: really? did it look like you?
    Alfred Kelberry: kind of :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i couldn't find the right haircut
    Aphrodite Macbain: that must have taken a lot of work, no?
    Riddle Sideways: me either
    Alfred Kelberry: no, mostly it's shape
    Alfred Kelberry: and glasses :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: glasses are easy. shape isn't so
    Aphrodite Macbain: I just made myself fatter yesterday
    Alfred Kelberry: you gained some weight? :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. Too many cup cakes
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: neat :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: would you like one?
    Riddle Sideways: keep forgetting to feed this SL av
    Riddle Sideways: ty
    Aphrodite Macbain: Did you all get one?
    Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm. that is a problem alf
    Riddle Sideways: what happens when you wear it, alf
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear
    Aphrodite Macbain grins
    Aphrodite Macbain: not only do you gain a cup cake you gain a limb!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I must go for a while. It's been very pleasant.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I really had a great laugh this am. Good for the soul
    Riddle Sideways: yes, me too. Thanks all
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!


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