2010.10.27 07:00 - October Dream Circle

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Gaya Ethaniel. The comments are by Gaya Ethaniel.

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Luci :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Eliza, Gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I am awake...
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) awake is good
    Lucinda Lavender: boiling water for palydough...
    Eliza Madrigal: Oooh fun
    Lucinda Lavender: playdough
    Eliza Madrigal: I've made salt dough before
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes..sort of like that
    Lucinda Lavender: brb
    Eliza Madrigal: my playdough was too slimy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: good to make edible playdough since kids eat it anyway
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahhaha
    Gaya Ethaniel: ack
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: kids have to taste everything :)
    Eliza Madrigal: my oldest dd loved carpet and her great grandmother told me "She must need fiber!"
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Arch :)
    Lucinda Lavender: currently stirring now...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: morning..arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Eliza :) Lucinda :) Gaya:)

    --BELL--

    Archmage Atlantis: Ladies meeting this am
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Maxine :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, gaya, Eliza
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Maxine
    Maxine Walden: hi, Lucinda
    Maxine Walden: hi, Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Maxine :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Maxine:)...preschool party day for me and am stirring the playdough:)
    Lucinda Lavender: will sit down in a minute
    Maxine Walden: ah...:)
    Maxine Walden: can we have some too, Lucy?
    Lucinda Lavender: it is orange:0
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) :::mashes up her playdough to make a tree::::
    Eliza Madrigal: :::takes a bite::::
    Eliza Madrigal: hehhehe
    Lucinda Lavender: turns out different every time
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I didn't know playdough could be made.......only bought.
    Archmage Atlantis: What's it made of?
    Maxine Walden: playdough dreams...
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: Let's start when Lucinda is ready then :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Who has dreams to share today?
    Lucinda Lavender: salt and flower, water, oil and tartar
    Lucinda Lavender: ready
    Archmage Atlantis: ty, Lucinda......no dreams for me Gaya....ready to listen
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll give notes to those who arrive
    Maxine Walden: sorry I will have to go precisely on the hour
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: this time we will limit dreams to those here on time... arriving no later than we begin
    Maxine Walden: wish I had a dream today, but don't :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, okay then I do...
    Eliza Madrigal: (always do =P~)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Luci and Gaya as well?
    Lucinda Lavender: I think I do
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Shall we do Eliza and Lucinda then today?
    Eliza Madrigal: no dream Gaya?
    Maxine Walden: sounds good
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sometimes 3 can get a bit long depending on a day.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Will think about it for next time :)
    Eliza Madrigal: think we've got a good start :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I think I may just do an image from the dream
    Eliza Madrigal: 3 should be fine
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok let me start then ... didn't really prepare ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm walking on a street, shooting people at point blank range, feeling nothing.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I woke up [didn't know I was awake], finally realised what I had done and feeling terrible.
    Gaya Ethaniel passes the stone to Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you Gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: My son and I noticed the moon. I wondered if it was a Harvest Moon and as I wondered it became bigger and bigger. It began to look like a big fluffy pancake and I suggested that he go get it. He did go to grab it and it was like a marshmallow in thickness and softness..
    Eliza Madrigal: The pancake moon changed into a person sometimes holding the pancake and began to play with him. He couldn't get it entirely and was grabbing, being tossed around. Then it let him take a small bite. When he came back to me he said something to the effect that it wasn't very sweet, and we were surprised by that.
    Eliza Madrigal: passes the stone to Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: pass the stone to Lucy
    Gaya Ethaniel: [I will IM Alfred]
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, alf, nice to see you
    Lucinda Lavender: thank you..walking alone...waiting...a deer comes up to me...young children are all around- tarot decks I have given away previously are coming back to me with meetings...one child is introduced to the use of a slicing machine for sandwiches..she loves the slicer...end Gathering with my choir in a city,
    Lucinda Lavender: oops...skip the gathering with choir part
    Lucinda Lavender: pass to arch
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry Alfred
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: alfred your turn if you are a listener rather than sharer today

    --BELL--

    Alfred Kelberry: thank you, luci. i'll listen :)
    Maxine Walden: maybe that means the stone has been passed to arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: The stone s/b back to Gaya now, as I am listening
    Eliza Madrigal: (alfred will observe today/standing outside of the circle)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah alright
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm walking on a street, shooting people at point blank range, feeling nothing. [07:08] Gaya Ethaniel: I woke up [didn't know I was awake], finally realised what I had done and feeling terrible.
    Alfred Kelberry: omg!
    Gaya Ethaniel passes the stone to Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: a difficult experience to go through
    Alfred Kelberry: bunny...
    Eliza Madrigal: so incongruent with the dreamer's sense of herself and intentions I imagine...
    Eliza Madrigal: and yet brings up a question, a puzzle...
    Eliza Madrigal: pass to Maxine
    Maxine Walden: thanks
    Maxine Walden: I am reminded of when I pay attention to X then I may seem to offend Y, and if my attention is on X, I may not even care what Y may feel. It is difficult to speak rationally to the uncaring deliberate shooter, if that is in the dream, except to recognize that we all have that inner potential, and that dreams often reveal these elements as red flags.
    Maxine Walden: pass the stone to Lucy
    Lucinda Lavender: This dream reminds me of the ability to focus...
    Lucinda Lavender: there are some skills which when given full attention do appear to dissolve connection...and then in retrospect one seems how the feeling blooms afterward...
    Lucinda Lavender: one sees sorry
    Lucinda Lavender: sometimes I think dreams have us seeing through someone elses eyes as well and ones compassion makes this information available to the dreamer...
    Lucinda Lavender: pass to Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: TY
    Archmage Atlantis: I hear a sense of inner rage that has been repressed...I have had similar dreams....to me they meant having to conform to someone else's expectation without being listened to......
    Archmage Atlantis: So, the rage came out as an explosion of dream violence.....
    Archmage Atlantis: they were important dreams for me ..... to realize something I was unhappy with in waking life
    Archmage Atlantis: Passes stone to Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel passes the stone to Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: ty :) one thought to add before stating my dream again... that the people may not represent people but be personifications of something else...
    Eliza Madrigal: My son and I noticed the moon. I wondered if it was a Harvest Moon and as I wondered it became bigger and bigger. It began to look like a big fluffy pancake and I suggested that he go get it. He did go to grab it and it was like a marshmallow in thickness and softness...
    Eliza Madrigal: The pancake moon changed into a person sometimes holding the pancake and began to play with him. He couldn't get it entirely and was grabbing, being tossed around. Then it let him take a small bite. When he came back to me he said something to the effect that it wasn't very sweet, and we were surprised by that.
    Eliza Madrigal: pass to Maxine

    --BELL--

    Maxine Walden: thanks.
    Maxine Walden: (So many thoughts about our thoughts about Gaya's dream, really appreciated everyone's thoughts about it) Now to Eliza's dream:
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Maxine Walden: here she is paying full attention to the moon, which seems to grow bigger, just as occurs when we are paying full attention...that is the object of attention fills our screen as it were...
    Maxine Walden: and it seems wonderful, inviting, etc to the child and adult part of the dreamer and so it is investigated, tasted, played with etc...and then seen not to be as 'sweet' as had been anticipated. In a sense...
    Maxine Walden: this dream continues for me the theme of what may happen when we pay full attention to something...
    Maxine Walden: pass the stone to Lucy
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks,
    Bertram Jacobus: hey everybody :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: the changing moon...transforming light in the sky, is available to play with us
    Maxine Walden: hi, Bert, care to listen to our dream circle?
    Lucinda Lavender: and this play reminds me of the song...I see the moon and the moon sees me...past to arch...also feels like lucidity in the dream.
    Lucinda Lavender: I pass to arch
    Archmage Atlantis: ty
    Archmage Atlantis: The dream makes me feel like a small boy when one of my parents pointed out something wondrous or amazing......
    Archmage Atlantis: then in the dream, the boy reaches out, samples the moon, and compares the experience with the parent whom he trusts...
    Archmage Atlantis: they both come to experience the moon in similar ways....
    Archmage Atlantis: it seems a moment of love and closeness.
    Archmage Atlantis: Passes stone to Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I felt this warm and fuzzy feeling ... watching the mother and son together.
    Bertram Jacobus: [sry - didn't know - cu soon all - enjoy - ty]
    Maxine Walden: :), Bert
    Gaya Ethaniel: The boy must be at an age when parents encourage children to go explore life under their protective gazes.
    Gaya Ethaniel: But what strikes me is that the adult figure is also exploring and learning. Even if messages may be not new but they must be valuable as one finds useful to read same books again as one ages and gain further experiences. Such messages morph into places where one is ...
    Gaya Ethaniel passes the stone to Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: ty everyone, passes the stone to Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: thanks, and once again, I am so pleased to listen to everyone's responses to these dreams...so informing...and helps me to see my vantage point in terms of others'; thanks everyone. Pass the stone to Lucy
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: One thought more, The Harvest Moon reminds me of what we take in...and he does through playing and tasting...
    Lucinda Lavender: what we produce and what we consume
    Lucinda Lavender: the energy feels high with this play...something to learn to work with perhaps...:)
    Lucinda Lavender: ok.anoy more thoughts?
    Lucinda Lavender: I will go ahead if not
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: :)

    --BELL--

    Lucinda Lavender: walking alone- through night...and a deer approaches. (it does not get dark here). Young Children are all around- Tarot decks I have given away previously are coming back to me with the meetings-
    Lucinda Lavender: One child is introduced to the use of a slicing machine for sandwiches. She loves the slicer. end
    Maxine Walden: (choir part, Lucy?)
    Lucinda Lavender: Well at the end there is a gathering of the choir in a city but not much remembered there...
    Lucinda Lavender: pass to arch
    Archmage Atlantis: ty
    Archmage Atlantis: this is a complex dream....lots of symbols, especially the deer, the tarot decks, and the choir...........and the slicing machine at the heart/middle
    Archmage Atlantis: I associate the deer with kindness in approach to another entity
    Archmage Atlantis: The tarot decks, distributed to children and returned......that seems a teaching of the use of divination / understanding....the return meaning the lesson was accepted by those to whom it was provided (the children)
    Archmage Atlantis: The choir is the unity of singing, of having a shared voice
    Archmage Atlantis: The slicing machine, and the interest of the little girl........maybe the realization of how something can be divided up and still make sense, and maybe become something else that is also good
    Archmage Atlantis: Passing the stone to Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks. In this space, feels to me suspended, fairy-tale like, various encounters are occurring, encounters in different time perspectives.
    Gaya Ethaniel: In this safe haven, the dreamer seems to be working through meeting and meeting again ... out of it clarity of 'slicer' arises, perhaps related to the order of choir.
    Gaya Ethaniel passes the stone to Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: for me the dreams now come together in one way, which is the idea of 'bits' or 'bites' or 'slices' or 'shots'... breaking down messages into manageable and tasteable perhaps, portions. The deer is a creature normally spooked by people but comes willingly to the dreamer and there is no mention of it leaving when the children arrive. a ''slicer' is a strong image. there is a bit of ruthlessness about it, as with a gun. Somehow the tarot to me (that was previously given away or set aside) is a reminder to look at what is represented by every image symbolically. At the end, many (perhaps times-intriguing-as gaya mentions) as one [choir](apologies for length) pass to Maxine
    Maxine Walden: thanks
    Maxine Walden: wow, wonderful images, readings, syntheses from everyone which leaves me feeling just a little flat-footed(?) or better more narrow in focus:

    --BELL--

    Maxine Walden: I had felt the fairy tale nature as well (deer in the woods) and the gathering of children (7 dwarfs maybe), and the slicing maybe a slicing off of the last bit (choir image which was so unclear). so I was left with less of a wholistic image than others, and feel so informed by the accruing images, responses
    Maxine Walden: (Need to go, sorry to be so abrupt)
    Maxine Walden: bye all
    Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day Maxine :)
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Maxine (( )) glad you made it today
    Gaya Ethaniel: Shall we talk a bit in free format before closing if anyone has comments?
    Lucinda Lavender: :) thanks Maxine for all...
    Lucinda Lavender: sounds good Gaya...
    Archmage Atlantis: :) ty Maxine
    Eliza Madrigal: yes wonderful, thanks. Amazed we circled around completely this time so nicely :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes:)
    Archmage Atlantis: Sure, Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: I was puzzled by my dream ... comments regarding attention/focus made sense to me.
    Eliza Madrigal: full moon and one taste
    Gaya Ethaniel: Kind of fits why I had the dream recently :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes it was great today :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes Eliza...
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: your dream was a complete blank at first... then with the others began to seem so clear and evocative
    Eliza Madrigal: @gaya
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Gaya, a good session
    Lucinda Lavender: I just remembered that in the end of my dream the choir was getting ready to meet and all eating a separate restaurants
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    Lucinda Lavender: that slicer...had an effect
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah interesting ...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes that was the other image that at first struck me as confusing...
    Eliza Madrigal: like 'what is a slicer doing there?'
    Lucinda Lavender: right!
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I think it is easier to comment when just listening....no dream myself to be thought of
    Lucinda Lavender: ah yes Arch
    Lucinda Lavender: very insightful comments it felt
    Eliza Madrigal: it is quite uncanny... the way one zeroes in on listening and each unravels a little part...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Lucinda Lavender: yes Eliza..the shots, slices,bites
    Archmage Atlantis: agree
    Gaya Ethaniel: That's so true :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I was so moved even by my own dream after hearing others comments... like it was more than my dream and I appreciated 'anew' sharing with my son
    Eliza Madrigal: realized that it was also about the way he wakes and tells me his dreams each day :)
    Lucinda Lavender: same here
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I love that:)
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: the experience of seeing the dream through others eyes makes it bigger somehow
    Eliza Madrigal: he gives me his 'fresh' impressions
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: as do we all :) yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I appreciate you all, thank you again!
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, thank you very much for this morning
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...thank you:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day and the party :)
    Lucinda Lavender: now must go off to party:)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes the playdough :)))
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Have fun!
    Lucinda Lavender: all ready
    Lucinda Lavender: you all too
    Archmage Atlantis: And what timing :) - right up to the last official minute
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye guys
    Archmage Atlantis: ty
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: amazing...

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