2010.12.12 13:00 - Protecting our resources

    The Guardian for this meeting was Maxine Walden. The comments are by Maxine Walden.

    This session seemed to explore both sides of the question of being open to experience and learning as well as protecting self and others from the erosion which naivete, cynicism, doubt etc. 

    Wol Euler: hello ewan  
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Max!
    Wol Euler: hello maxine
    Maxine Walden: hi, Ewan, and Wol
    Wol Euler: maxine, you have a new top, and a vest. Nice.
    Wol Euler: changing appearance for Bleu's project?
    Maxine Walden: thanks, yes...
    Maxine Walden: well, maybe...actually also to get rid of the mysterious stripes I seem to get in tp ing...
    Wol Euler: heh, yes

    Wol was sporting a sweet looking dear head, small anters, tail, and red bikini with human skin.   

    Maxine Walden: but your outfit, changed av for the project?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Maxine Walden: may I ask how it changes your experience?
    Wol Euler: since I already do male/female and young/old and skinny/fat, there didn't seem much point in trying those
    Wol Euler: it feels different, that is for sure
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Wol Euler: I now wish that I'd created an alt for this, because it feels wrong to say "wol" when talking about this furry.
    Wol Euler: perhaps I'll have to just assign her a name in my thoughts.
    Maxine Walden: hmmm
    Wol Euler: I'd always fought shy of trying furry avs, felt that I had to be human.
    Wol Euler: and I notice that I have stripped off most of her furriness except the head and tail
    Maxine Walden: hmm, 'had to be' or 'it just did not occur' to not be human?
    Wol Euler: had to be, it did occur to me to try furry avs.
    Maxine Walden: interesting...
    Wol Euler: I felt really uncomfortable in fur, the first few times
    Maxine Walden: oh...think I can relate to that discomfort...
    Wol Euler: felt lost, in a way, didn't know how to behave but felt that I should behave differntly somehow
    Wol Euler: not a very "wu wei" approach
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Wol Euler: so perhaps PaB is to thank for being able to do it now
    Maxine Walden: yes, maybe so (chuckles)
    Maxine Walden: Ewan, not meaning to leave you out of the conversation

    As Ewan seemed afk I turned back to Wol with another question

    Maxine Walden: But, Wol, if I may use that name, how was Japan? Not sure I have really had the chance to ask.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: it was wonderful. I loved every minute of it.
    Maxine Walden: can imagine...
    Wol Euler: great food, beautiful buildings, lovely weather, excellent food, nice people, and the perfect season: glorious fall colours
    Maxine Walden: sounds spectacular in many ways
    Wol Euler: it was
    Maxine Walden: How long were you there?
    Wol Euler: two weeks exactly
    Maxine Walden: ah...
    Wol Euler: two days in Tokyo, one in Fukuoka, the rest in Kyoto
    Maxine Walden: don't know Fukuoka; a variety of experience then
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: I liked kyoto best.
    Wol Euler: Tokyo is hard work, too many people, too much to do
    Maxine Walden: care to say why?
    Wol Euler: big cities have their bigness in common. London is much like Manhattan is much like Berlin
    Wol Euler: smaller cities have more specific characters
    Maxine Walden: interesting perception...
    Maxine Walden: sorry Ewan left...hope he did not feel shut out...

    We were then joined by Dash and began a conversation about the weather,but really about the lack of protection which can come from indifference.  It seemed like Dash felt warmly received and thus a place to bring considerable grievance 

    Wol Euler: hello dash, nice to see you again
    Dash Earthboy: howdy
    Maxine Walden: hi, Dash
    Dash Earthboy: hey
    Dash Earthboy: i've got snow today
    Dash Earthboy: :(
    Wol Euler: up to 20 inches in parts of the Midwest, I heard.
    Maxine Walden: oh, my
    Maxine Walden: Where are you located, Dash?
    Dash Earthboy: Georgia near Atlanta
    Maxine Walden: ah, unusual, I would guess, Dash to have snow in that part of the world
    Dash Earthboy: the cold temps and windchill have me even more concerned than the dusting of snow
    Maxine Walden: how cold and windchill is it?
    Maxine Walden: windchilly
    Dash Earthboy: i have already started my water dripping to prevent pipe bursts in the crawlspace from freeze up
    Maxine Walden: yes, guess there are lots of those housekeeping chores to keep in mind in such cold
    Dash Earthboy: it's only 29 now with a wind chill of about 23
    Maxine Walden: burr.
    Wol Euler: cold enough if the houses aren't built for it
    Maxine Walden: yes!
    Dash Earthboy: but I have had crawlspace pipe bursts in as little as 29
    Dash Earthboy: y'all know I'm talking Fahrenheit, right?
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Maxine Walden: ah, they are very sensitive pipes
    Dash Earthboy: to add to the problem some unscruplous plumbers tore out my sub-floor insulation (around the pipes too) when they were looking for a leak that ended up being from my water heater
    Dash Earthboy: the pipes are pvc
    Maxine Walden: Oh, dear, sounds really problematic! So sorry
    Dash Earthboy: cheapest the builders can get away with
    Maxine Walden: so sorry...
    Wol Euler: :(
    Maxine Walden: cutting corners can be so costly, and so painful
    Dash Earthboy: well, the county is run by developers
    Maxine Walden: especially to the unsuspecting 'others' , the recipients'
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Wol Euler: yes, the developer is long gone by the time the problems appear
    Wol Euler: the buildrs too, often enough
    Dash Earthboy: i worked for the county in planning & zoning, code enforcement & such
    Wol Euler: company goes bankrupt, but if you dial the phone number a day later the same person answers with a different company name
    Maxine Walden: grrr!
    Dash Earthboy: that's where I got involved with GIS work
    Maxine Walden: GIS?

    Our discussion then seemed to embrace the effects of indifference embedded in corruption

    Dash Earthboy: oh, some of the county leaders have bankrupted several of their companies to avoid litigation
    Wol Euler nods
    Maxine Walden: seems like a criminal dodge of responsibility
    Dash Earthboy: GIS is Geographic Information Systems or Geospatial Info Systems
    Wol Euler: unethical if not illegal
    Maxine Walden: have not known about these systems
    Dash Earthboy: yes the leaders and many of the county employees are church-going criminals
    Maxine Walden: !!
    Dash Earthboy: so they had to get me out after I exposed a little of it to the governor, who had close ties with them
    Dash Earthboy: not a good place to stay for me
    Maxine Walden: oh, my,what an experience, Dash!
    Maxine Walden: make you a bit cynical?
    Dash Earthboy: i've have worked for peace and social justice since 1970
    Maxine Walden: much more ethical, I would imagine
    Dash Earthboy: and worked for the government in Georgia as a social worker before working for this county
    Dash Earthboy: i try to evoke change from within the system if possible
    Dash Earthboy: like my man Frank Church
    Dash Earthboy: or George McGovern

    SophiaSharon then joined us.  Dash continued to tell us about his experience.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)
    Wol Euler: hello sharon
    Maxine Walden: hi, Sophia
    Dash Earthboy: hi Sophia
    Maxine Walden: We are talking about ethics ...among other things
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) thank you
    Dash Earthboy: tonight I'll do laundry and vent the dryer under the house into the crawl space
    Wol Euler: good idea
    Maxine Walden: ...to warm up the pipes...
    Dash Earthboy: it's too windy to use my small fireplace right now
    Dash Earthboy: i only burn deadfall and junk mail
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Maxine Walden: good use for junk mail...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: right :)
    Dash Earthboy: but my neighbors tear down trees and burn them just create a area to run their off road vehicles in illegally
    Dash Earthboy: and noisily

    And then Yakuzza and Zon came by.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yakuzza and Zon
    Wol Euler: brb
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening everyone
    Dash Earthboy: hi Yaku, hi Zen
    Maxine Walden: oh, Dash, what a pain...and frustration...
    Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku,
    Zon Kwan: heya all
    Maxine Walden: hi, zon
    Dash Earthboy: yes, i'm trying to leave to relocate to a more humane and less corrupt environment
    Dash Earthboy: but now will delay till after the holidays
    Dash Earthboy: only two help wanted ads in the county newspaper today and both were bogus for a commercial school
    Wol Euler: hello yaku, zon
    Maxine Walden: Hope it goes well, Dash.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Dash Earthboy: all i've wanted since 1982 was a simple life like I had on a remote TN farm then
    Dash Earthboy: thanx max
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that all i still want :)

    We began to wonder about 'the good old days', that is our memory of earlier, more innocent times, and at some points, whether such memories were realistic or reflected something about of whether the lens of memory may distort.  Wending its way through here as well may have been the inner vulnerability to 'impoverished resources' when our energies and self esteem are not well protected.

    Maxine Walden: We all harken back to a more innocent time, perhaps?
    Maxine Walden: when life seemed simpler maybe...
    Dash Earthboy: i had plenty of food provided by nature and first call on the ground water with a gravity fed system (no pumps needed)
    Dash Earthboy: 50 acres were in trees and I burned deadfall to heat as well as eat
    Yakuzza Lethecus: seemed, is a good word, considering the fact how simple it is to talk to ppl whom are at like the westcoast of the usa today even by accident :)
    Dash Earthboy: a big wood stove
    SophiaSharon Larnia: with the innocence was yearning to learn about the world, i dont wish to have that yearning :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that kind anyway
    Dash Earthboy: the world has often come to me
    Dash Earthboy: nice way to learn
    Dash Earthboy: from missionaries
    Dash Earthboy: artists
    SophiaSharon Larnia: being innocent sometimes you just throw yourself at it
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Maxine Walden: Yaku, did not quite understand your point, would you just repeat it?
    Dash Earthboy: even had an exchange student from Colombia my senior year of high school
    Maxine Walden: lots of interesting experiences seem to come your way, Dash. Nice when it goes well
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Maxine Walden: Guess the thing is to be open to new experience but also try to learn from the past so as not to be 'stung' by naivte
    Dash Earthboy: but even for the exchange student I had to arrange for school system to pay my mother to aloow him to stay
    Dash Earthboy: never have been very wealthy
    Dash Earthboy: mostly below the poverty line for income each year
    Dash Earthboy: but I'm adroit with managing money
    Maxine Walden: hmm, even the good things cost...so learning and protective boundaries might be important
    Maxine Walden: to protect our inner resources...our self esteem, our energies
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what i meant before was just the aspect that in retrospect the bast seemed simpler and more innocent but is that just a trick of our mind ?
    Dash Earthboy: oh I've seen complexities grow through the years Yaku
    Maxine Walden: ah, thanks, yes think I understand your point, and agree that it may be out of longing that the past seems so much simpler..
    Dash Earthboy: I've cautioned people to only use technology in business to the point where it makes them more efficient and productive
    Maxine Walden: Indeed we each may have very different experiences, but in general, my experience, at least has been that longing for the past often paints it as a much 'better' time
    Wol Euler: we improve it in memory, yes
    Dash Earthboy: yet I continue to encounter many technophobes who deny any technology influences their lives
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Maxine Walden: ah, perhaps, Dash. We may fear acknowledging what we donn't know much about, fear of 'not knowing'
    Dash Earthboy: yes some people do glorify the past
    Maxine Walden: or fear that the 'others' know all about this technology, which can us feel small
    Dash Earthboy: i only have a few periods in the past that I would consider better
    Dash Earthboy: but much of the past has been as bad or worse
    Dash Earthboy: i think it's important to learn from history so we don't repeat it
    Dash Earthboy: unless it's good!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: remember that :)
    Dash Earthboy: wow Max, I guess my getting to meet famous people earlier in life helped me not to feel small around towers of power and wisdom
    Dash Earthboy: meet famous people
    Dash Earthboy: lag problems again today
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to see that they are just people? :))
    Maxine Walden: great, Dash. A great lesson!
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Dash Earthboy: and they seemed to like to share that wisdom with me
    Maxine Walden: Lucky you, Dash, in my own experience wisdom often comes from painful experience or things we just as soon not have to face...letting go of the pain while learning from the experience can be difficult
    Dash Earthboy: a couple of Los Angeles movie music people even invited me to stay with them one summer early in college
    Dash Earthboy: but that summer I was a good son and went home to paint my mothers house & garage
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Ewan and Qt
    Dash Earthboy: that made me ineligible for resident tuition rates when I came back in the fall

    Shortly before I had to leave we were joined by stevenaia, Qt and Ewan rejoined as as well.

    Maxine Walden: hi, Qt, and Ewan
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Steven
    Maxine Walden: And hi Steve...
    Wol Euler: hello qt, hello steven
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Dash Earthboy: hi Qt, hi Ewan
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: gtsy all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and ewan
    stevenaia Michinaga: late as it is
    Dash Earthboy: hey steve
    Maxine Walden: I have to go, will look forward to seeing from the log the rest of the conversation...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye max
    Wol Euler: 'night maxine, take care
    Maxine Walden: bye all, hope to see you all soon...
    Dash Earthboy: bye Max, nice to see ya again
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye maxine
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Maxine
    stevenaia Michinaga: we make an interesting combination Yak
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i got it too lol
    Dash Earthboy: wow, wol, is it after midnight there yet?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: on my harddrive
    Wol Euler: 11pm
    Dash Earthboy: late enough huh?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: I'm starting to fade
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: have a good week Wol
    Wol Euler: oh, I'm not gone yet
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i will, i have to be up at 5 am :(
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night
    Dash Earthboy: hope y'all have a great week...night all
    Qt Core: 'night yaku
    Wol Euler: 'night yaku
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Yaku :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and Dash
    Wol Euler: bye dash
    SophiaSharon Larnia: would you guys like to see the retreat space? Maybe tell me if something needs to be moved. I have to finish by tonight
    Wol Euler: sure
    SophiaSharon Larnia: my night anyway :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: lead the way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: let me give you lm
    Qt Core: y
    Ewan Bonham: Yes...

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