2010.12.12 19:00 - Imagination Bodies Forth the Forms of Things Unknown

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    An alternative title:  Codependent Arising

    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Oh, hey, Calvino! I tried to Teleport but it was indisposed. Then I flew here on my own, very pleased with myself.
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening Ms. M. M. :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Where do you land?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: How be you?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I landed on the grass not too far from this pavilion, then walked in ...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: When I leave each time I like to fly around a little bit and usually end up in an adjacent zone ... then when I log in it places me back at that spot -- if I fly in the right direction I may end up back here ...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Since I don't do much else in SL, and I *LOVE* flying, I like to get a little it of that in whenever I come around.
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I like he random connection that if you click outside the text field and then type WHEEEEEE you start flying
    Calvino Rabeni: (provided you just hold down the E)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I did not know that! How funloving
    Calvino Rabeni: its the EEEEE tht does it
    Calvino Rabeni: Care for a short sit, till 7:16 bell? I could use it :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I just tried it ... it did something else ... changed my view in specific ways
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, indeed. Lets do that.

    Calvino Rabeni: Well!
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Ahh.
    Calvino Rabeni: hehehe
    Calvino Rabeni: I made the sound, you chatted it
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: You did?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well we are psychic then.
    Calvino Rabeni: Are we ...
    Calvino Rabeni: I mean - we are ...:)
    Calvino Rabeni: I did "drop down" quite a bit there
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I didn't, because I was cooking not actually sitting.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I did do a two-hour outdoor being time this afternoon though.
    Calvino Rabeni: Ninety seconds of some kind of awareness, then it initiates a somatic process that goes on for a relatively extended period
    Calvino Rabeni: Wonderful, you'd still have the effects of it

    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Hmmm I will have to look at that interval for myself more closely.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it's good to be aware of the interval, I think
    Calvino Rabeni: What I was thinking ...
    Calvino Rabeni: the idea of "being psychic"
    Calvino Rabeni: is generally understood against the context of the cultures tacit ideas about what mind is
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I think we all are, but feel it's unacceptable to acknowledge it too much.
    Calvino Rabeni: yes that is part of it
    Calvino Rabeni: but there are various people
    Calvino Rabeni: thinking along similar lines - but perhaps not knowing it
    Calvino Rabeni: that consider some more field-oriented paradigm of intelligence
    Calvino Rabeni: sheldrake must be one, but there are others who don't know him or each other
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I'm very into that idea myself
    Calvino Rabeni: and in that model, its like, "psychic" is not at all such a mysterious - or impressive idea
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: it just goes against the legal setup of individual responsibility.
    Calvino Rabeni: like it's more like "business as usual"
    Calvino Rabeni: when the idea of minds as silos, locked inside individual skulls (or whatever)
    Calvino Rabeni: is dominant, then comunication seems like an extraordinary event
    Calvino Rabeni: or at least, not the usual - like something that takes effort
    Calvino Rabeni: to bridge the chasm that's imagined to be there
    Calvino Rabeni: whereas if minds are all plugged into various fields
    Calvino Rabeni: or even an expression of them
    Calvino Rabeni: and are much less separate
    Calvino Rabeni: then these phenomena of sharing meaning
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I just had a flash - maybe the effort of communication actually OBSCURES the knowing that might be there before
    Calvino Rabeni: even changing meaning - the definition of communication
    Calvino Rabeni: is much less problematical
    Calvino Rabeni: I can see that happening too
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... because you have to buy into, lock into, the reality that we are separate and we have to communicate, and choose our words properly, and all that ... reinforcing that we are these separate silos for sure.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, heheh obscuration through elicudation
    Calvino Rabeni: (Joking) - I thought you stated it well
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: so the awareness that might have been there before going into "communication mode" is overcome by the deliberateness of all that ...
    Calvino Rabeni: The way that works?
    Calvino Rabeni: Well for one thing, the lingustic dilemma, arranging to choose words that reduce and stereotype meaning
    Calvino Rabeni: Then there might be, just the fragmentation of attention involved in adopting that "effortful" posture
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, exactly - the use of energy for that would necessarily take it away from the other, more diffuse place
    Calvino Rabeni: Exactly :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: And we each may add even more additional tension of our own due to our own personal issues around communication and how to connect with other people.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Very interesting in terms of the "Ways of Knowing" project!
    Calvino Rabeni: Isn't it :)

    Calvino Rabeni: H Cinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: HI...and greetings
    Calvino Rabeni: Noting that "memory" is something like a somatic process
    Calvino Rabeni: or for example, remembering dreams
    Calvino Rabeni: but anything else perhaps
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Good evening, Cinda.
    Lucinda Lavender: good eve Mitzi
    Calvino Rabeni: One puts in an order for a memory, then some behind the scenes thing happens, and it arrives a little like a "hunch" sometimes, with a body sense
    Calvino Rabeni: which I believe could be detected by a machine before one is aware of it
    Calvino Rabeni: But I also think, ... intuition or "creative" thought work the same way
    Calvino Rabeni: accessing something that isn't just "a memory"
    Calvino Rabeni: since we're not database machines
    Calvino Rabeni: we get something creative the same way
    Calvino Rabeni: (what do you think)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, very beautifully expressed ... mysterious ... I think it may be like that.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I found a new concept this week, which is in this same vein - "Shenpa" - a pre-emotional feeling that alerts us of uncomfortable feelings ahead so we can get right to avoiding them using our favorite mechanisms, addictions, or buffers. The Shenpa practice (which I don't know myself) suggests to become aware of these early warning signs, and instead of running away, open up curiously what that uncomfortable feeling is all about.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, I know those and that practice, but never heard the term before
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I learned about this on the Pema Chodron website I was working on
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: It was the topic of a CD set
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: So,. now I want to orderr that CD set and see what the practice actually is.
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like to see a dictionary of such terms, however, my preference would be for it to be lifted out of its religious matrix
    Calvino Rabeni: which could make it more generally useful
    Calvino Rabeni: OK looking at that :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Noticing that this also applies to POSSIBILITIES as well as memories
    Calvino Rabeni: So for instance an interesting application
    Calvino Rabeni: for our present circumstances
    Lucinda Lavender: love the idea of possibilities
    Calvino Rabeni: would be the "meta topic"
    Calvino Rabeni: "(What are the possibilities for) What shall we talk about?"
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: In this format, we type - we are putting things into formal manifestaation.
    Calvino Rabeni: That is - choosing a topic
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yet another level is palpably there of companionship
    Calvino Rabeni: How do we do it, and what are the possibilities and freedoms in that choice?
    Lucinda Lavender: I like that question
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll notice - well companionship does really influence those possibilities
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well, in the end, YOU are the decider! Calvino!
    Lucinda Lavender: are you talkingabout choosing topics generally?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes Cinda, imagine all the zillion possiblities, and yet ... something happens and choices are made
    Calvino Rabeni: or maybe they're unaware choices partly
    Calvino Rabeni: or mechanical
    Calvino Rabeni: or come from intuition and just "pop in" like ordering up a memory
    Lucinda Lavender: I tend to scan for the unfinished business...
    Calvino Rabeni: Same here ... sort of yes
    Lucinda Lavender: what do I continually wonder about
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Calvino, I thought you were the maestro ... presiding over an orchestra / or rather improv jam session / encouraging one theme, letting another peter out ...
    Calvino Rabeni: me too, there are some "favorites"
    Calvino Rabeni: in a way, Mitzi
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I would like to vote for that topic "What do I continually wonder about ..." I think that one is juicy.
    Calvino Rabeni: Nice
    Calvino Rabeni: For me, they float around in the back of my mind kind of inchoate - like a cloud of hunches or sparkles or something - I may try to give them "handles" by using words
    Calvino Rabeni: the word handles retrieve them
    Calvino Rabeni: but only if I haven't lost somatic awareness
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...the word handles...
    Calvino Rabeni: (which we were talking about before you came Cinda)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I'm thinking of poetry
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well, I admit I continually speculate about the internal focuses - thoughts, emotions - of other people.
    Calvino Rabeni: And if its "right" it feels like telepathy
    Lucinda Lavender: I tend to think of telepathy as information that already exists which we tune into s
    Calvino Rabeni: But maybe to Cinda - and I'm speculating - it's sometimes like tuning into the air of a shared thought form (at least in dreams it seems not limited to being within individuals)
    Calvino Rabeni: right, like that :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes, cinda ... we had just said almost the same thing earlier ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah well one way I'd choose a topic - relating to your Shenpa idea of somatic pre-awareness, is that I have a feeling in my body for what topics MAY result in a discussion that will feel open and exciting, and which MAY result in a more contracted state
    Calvino Rabeni: and often choosing the former
    Calvino Rabeni: based partly on a somatic posture
    Calvino Rabeni: you know the idea "say yes quickly" or "say yes to everything"
    Calvino Rabeni: which is a kind of practice on that level
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: well I would hope so! I'm interested to see it stated so clearly though ... we don't usually articulate such things
    Calvino Rabeni: rather than contracting around what happens
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: "first thought, best thought" ... another aphorism
    Calvino Rabeni: That "yes" principle has likewise been noted iand labeled n many disciplines
    Lucinda Lavender: so, sticking to something that mone sees value in discussing?
    Lucinda Lavender: one
    Calvino Rabeni: So I'd have to say ... there are lots of possibilities, I may choose based on a feeling for what I may be able to say Yes to
    Calvino Rabeni: Value, excitement might be guides
    Calvino Rabeni: Although Mitzi was also mentioning a process of "reversal" I think
    Calvino Rabeni: a more advanced practice
    Calvino Rabeni: if I understood it
    Lucinda Lavender: ah...don't know about reversal
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: refresh me about "reversal"?

    Calvino Rabeni: You defined one form of reversal pretty well earlier:
    Calvino Rabeni: "Shenpa" - a pre-emotional feeling that alerts us of uncomfortable feelings ahead so we can get right to avoiding them using our favorite mechanisms, addictions, or buffers. The Shenpa practice (which I don't know myself) suggests to become aware of these early warning signs, and instead of running away, open up curiously what that uncomfortable feeling is all about
    Calvino Rabeni: so that would be turning NO into YES
    Lucinda Lavender: oh...I see
    Calvino Rabeni: Byron Katie also teaches a contemplation process
    Calvino Rabeni: in which the last step is "turn it around"
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, I see how the word reversal applies. We "reverse" our usual habitual response to these pre-emotional subtle cues ...
    Calvino Rabeni: right
    Calvino Rabeni: Swimming upstream
    Lucinda Lavender: am familiar with Katie
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Byron Katie - wonderful, incisive practice. Cuts through SO MUCH that is dysfunctional
    Calvino Rabeni: We did this moment by moment in martial arts also
    Calvino Rabeni: (internal martial arts, that look at the experiential aspects of the practice)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, Calvino, I remember Peter Ralston giving the reversal practice to us.
    Calvino Rabeni: Its a counter-tendency practice
    Calvino Rabeni: not the same as choosing a possible topic of discussion
    Calvino Rabeni: BUT
    Calvino Rabeni: it could be used to choose a topic too
    Lucinda Lavender: can we try?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: as you said before, a positve rather than negative usage.
    Calvino Rabeni: at least one is aware potentially of excitement or resistance to some possibility
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Paradise:)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Ah, Paradise is here, effervescing as always!
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Nice to see you, Para
    Paradise Tennant: waves all round :)
    Paradise Tennant: listening
    Calvino Rabeni: I think if one made a list , resulting from looking at how one chooses a topic, there would be some "top 10 greatest hits" or common things people do
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Paradise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone
    Lucinda Lavender: do to make the list or things on the list?
    Calvino Rabeni: SSL :) Hello
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya sophia :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Sophia:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Oh hi, SophiaSharon, I don't think we've met before. Have we? Nice to see you.
    Calvino Rabeni: The list of things one does, I meant, Cinda
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Mitzi! I read the logs on occasion, so I've read some of the session
    SophiaSharon Larnia: +s
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I forget that I dont meet the speaker sometimes :))
    Lucinda Lavender: right..sometimes I need extra repetion...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: (blushes)
    Calvino Rabeni blushes also
    Paradise Tennant: amazing how well you can get to know people by reading those logs :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes I remember, people read the logs empathically in a way
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at the blushing mitzi and cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: almost as if they are there too
    Calvino Rabeni: I was blushing thinking of people reading the log when I (or the group) is clearly not at its most wonderful)
    Calvino Rabeni: I like that hair, SSL - also wonder how I'd look with it :)
    Paradise Tennant: well wonderful is not always a constant :) but that is human :)

    Lucinda Lavender: thinking about embarrassing moments in 2L
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
    Paradise Tennant: and in real life
    Paradise Tennant: once locked myself out of my hotel room while leaving my bath .. running wearing opnly glasses and a very small hand towel ..had leaned out my door to put something on a room service tray and door knocked me into the hall
    Calvino Rabeni: ooohh good one !
    Paradise Tennant: sttood there wondering how I was going to explain water damages on my expenses to my boss and had a crystallizing moment .. maybe not so smart!
    Paradise Tennant: but all worked out .. got a gal up from the front dest with a key before the tub ran over
    Paradise Tennant: life is full of embarassement sometimes :)
    Lucinda Lavender: amazing
    Calvino Rabeni: light embarrasing moments
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles that your glasses were on :)
    Calvino Rabeni: that was a topic choice
    Calvino Rabeni: I want to remind everyone that the log can be edited
    Calvino Rabeni: Can you say something more about "shenpa" Mitzi?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes all the better to see clearly :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I know someone who's pretty good at it ... those kind of "confessionals" -- MUCH better than I and I admire her for it
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: helpful to be able to laugh at onesself...
    Paradise Tennant: yes !
    Paradise Tennant: laughing is all good :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, to present it in that spirit of fun
    Calvino Rabeni: Kind of relishing it, making it flavorful
    Lucinda Lavender: Like walking into the men's bathroom on friday at REI...
    Calvino Rabeni: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Were you greeted warmly?
    Calvino Rabeni: It can be fun to make a light encounter of those "OOPS" episodes
    Lucinda Lavender: noone was there...just me...
    Lucinda Lavender: just surprised me.
    Calvino Rabeni: A little example - dropping into visit a group in second life - I click on some rather large seating object - whoosh, I'm snuggled into the arms of someone I hardly know

    Paradise Tennant: smiles thinking of how many people she has sat on over the years :)
    Calvino Rabeni: One of those cases where life serves up things one could respond to with YES or NO as a feeling, but might need a tiny act of reversal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: night guys, sorry so quiet, im more tired than I thought :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now :D
    Lucinda Lavender: have a good rest then:)
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Sweet dreams
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite sophia
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Bye, SSL!
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Sorry you guys, someone in RL came over and distracted me. But she's gone now.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: To follow up on "shenpa", it occurred to me when I read about it that I have such things going on and became curious about what the practice would be exactly to delve into that more directly.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Sometimes I feel like there is a large shape in the mist, not quite discernable, but having an effect ... like a big dinosaur in your yard with an invisibility power ... or a cloaked Star Trek Vessel ... it's there but not apparent ...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: so I might try to draw the shape of the invisible bulk
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: or pat the air and try to discern its boundaries
    Calvino Rabeni: I like that "cloaked ship" metaphor
    Calvino Rabeni: it kind of wavers and becomes visible,then maybe one can board and travel
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, I always liked the visual effect when the cloaked ship appears ... the air shimmers first, then the vessel condenses out of thin air
    Calvino Rabeni pats the air, hmm what's that ? :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: It's like all this "dark energy" and "dark matter" that we have only recently realized is there. What is all that stuff *doing*?!? Maybe it's transmitting psychic messages between us.
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.ph...k=view&id=1610
    Paradise Tennant: the stickiness of negativity
    Calvino Rabeni: ah yes
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Aha! THanks so much, Paradise! This article is perfect.
    Calvino Rabeni: With this shenpa technique, it's not nearly as sticky
    Calvino Rabeni: in fact transformed
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe there's no such thing as negativity
    Lucinda Lavender: Great to see this Paradise!
    Calvino Rabeni: except as a mode of response
    Paradise Tennant: negativity is emptiness
    Calvino Rabeni pats the air
    Calvino Rabeni: earlier we were speaking of words as handles floating in the air of "topic space"
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I like the acknowledgement of the subtlety of it, and not trying to define it too precisely
    Calvino Rabeni: Negativity itself is a sticky topic
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: one of those word handles ... floating ... was the idea of there being traditions that say NO NO NO .. emptiness, while others say YES YES YES .. fullness
    Calvino Rabeni: yes to everything
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: like Bali?
    Calvino Rabeni: feelings, thoughts, ideas, manifestations, influences from other people, choices

    Calvino Rabeni: well its the flip side of the medallion called impermanence perhaps, the place where things appear rather than drop away
    Paradise Tennant: don't think emptiness is saying no .. more like the seeing life's transparncy dial ..
    Paradise Tennant: emptiness is such a hard concept .. to get .. but it has fullness too :)
    Paradise Tennant: we need a better word
    Calvino Rabeni: well if its a matter of word choice
    Calvino Rabeni: I agree :)
    Calvino Rabeni: because the automatic associations
    Paradise Tennant: never really got tranalated right at the get go
    Calvino Rabeni: right
    Paradise Tennant: shenpa however is a great word sounds like the sensation
    Calvino Rabeni: heheh
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: transparency?
    Calvino Rabeni: yeah that's nice
    Calvino Rabeni: as the word sound itself has a compression and reversal in it
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Da Vinci had a concept called "sfumato" ... meaning obsured, smoky ... the chaos where creativity gestates before taking harder-edged form
    Calvino Rabeni: almost like a little trampoline :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Chaos / darkness / germination
    Lucinda Lavender: I like the trampoline image...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: "Transparent Trampoline" - here's a name for your next alternative rock band!
    Paradise Tennant: What is meant with non-inherent existence? Is this to say that the cup does not ultimately exist? - Not quite. - The cup exists, but like everything in this world, its existence depends on other phenomena. There is nothing in a cup that is inherent to that specific cup or to cups in general. Properties such as being hollow, spherical, cylindrical, or leak-proof are not intrinsic to cups. Other objects which are not cups have similar properties, as for example vases and glasses. The cup's properties and components are neither cups themselves nor do they imply cupness on their own. The material is not the cup. The shape is not the cup. The function is not the cup. Only all these aspects together make up the cup. Hence, we can say that for an object to be a cup we require a collection of specific conditions to exist. It depends on the combination of function, use, shape, base material, and the cup's other aspects. Only if all these conditions exist simultaneously does the mind impute cupness to the object. If o
    Paradise Tennant: sorry for backtracking but .. a clearer definition ..
    Calvino Rabeni: A hole is to dig :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Which suggests a question - why do so many things - animate and inanimate - have a "foot"
    Calvino Rabeni: ?
    Lucinda Lavender: thinking about putting a little energy in then results in the bounce on the trampoline...
    Calvino Rabeni: yeah
    Calvino Rabeni: shenpa is to take the thing, compress it into a nugget, and then let it suddenly expand again
    Calvino Rabeni: release of energy
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: (listens)
    Lucinda Lavender: oh my must go...need to make insert for cards...we'll see.
    Lucinda Lavender: boing...
    Paradise Tennant: good nite lucinda
    Paradise Tennant: nice to see you :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye .. have fun

    Lucinda Lavender: bye:) sweet dreams to all...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: By Cinda
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I want to go back to "foot"
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: That idea had some subtle positive energy for me I guess!
    Paradise Tennant: smiles .
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: SO Calvino you said .... why do so many things have a "foot" ... I was intrigued but didn't quite get your question
    Paradise Tennant: things just want to move to explore
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh or a "head" for example also
    Paradise Tennant: or a heart :)
    Calvino Rabeni: YES
    Calvino Rabeni: a body
    Calvino Rabeni: a FACE
    Calvino Rabeni: I suggest its more than just an analogy, a convention
    Calvino Rabeni: A cup, for instance has a foot
    Calvino Rabeni: as does a chair, or a tree
    Calvino Rabeni: I wondered that in response to Paradises example of the cup
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: hhmmm ... so when I sense an invisible presence, I feel it is a dinosaur - having a head, feet, heart (?!?) and all that. (BTW can dinosaurs love?)
    Calvino Rabeni: everything that has to co-exist for there to be a cup
    Paradise Tennant: there are little dinosaurs ..
    Calvino Rabeni: connecting energy
    Calvino Rabeni: if water didn't have connecting energy AND moving energy, a cup would not be what it is
    Calvino Rabeni: not sure about those dinosaurs, sorry :) ?
    Paradise Tennant: when you say you sense a presence mtizi . how do you experience that awareness
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: just that in envisioning a hidden presence, I intuitively chose a form thats alive and has all those things.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I am struggling with not over eating at night. Something makes me do it. It has a form and shape that's large. It's vague and lost in the mist.'
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: But, I think I can feel - it's below, it's large, it has two curved areas, it's behind me also.
    Paradise Tennant: hard to break habits
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: below, behind, large, vague and with two curves. lurking in its own neutrality, up to some business that I'm not really the main focus of, just I'm somehow in the field of it
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Maybe it's the ghost of all the wooly mammoths our ancestors killed and ate
    Paradise Tennant: does visualizing it .help you face it :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I believe giving it form, does help
    Calvino Rabeni: seeing its form
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes confronting the tangible is easier
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I don't know about "facing it". It helps me to know it. Maybe like shenpa. I'm not running away, I'm trying to discern it and know it. I can't face it because it is behind me.
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: for now
    Paradise Tennant: can try visualizing another reality .. feeling full warm .. loved ..complete ..
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Visualizing it makes me feel more innocent. Like, the misty dinosaur made me do it! It's not really MY fault
    Calvino Rabeni: right
    Calvino Rabeni: and that may help
    Calvino Rabeni: for now
    Calvino Rabeni: because later you may have even fresher feelings and insights about being made to do something by a dinosaur
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: taking in and really feeling the actual love I get from people each day is another new practice. It has definitely shifted things around
    Calvino Rabeni: wow
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: and sends mitzi some love :)
    Paradise Tennant: sigh but I have to go to bed ..or I will be a very tangible slug in the morning :)
    Calvino Rabeni: it takes place through the capacity of imagination, but oh no, its not simply "made up"
    Calvino Rabeni: hug a slug :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Ha ha! Well we don't want that ... Have a lovely sleep and adventurous dreams
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night Paradise :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. thinking maybe walking through the lovure .. will put it in my dream wish box
    Paradise Tennant: thank you two ..for sharing .. always a pleasure :)) big wave .hugs all round :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Goodnight, Paradise!
    Calvino Rabeni: Well shall we put the session to bed too?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Mee too ... so long Calvino .... can't wait to see what people think of THIS transcript
    Calvino Rabeni: I was going to add some concrete technical topics to result in a more balanced mix
    Calvino Rabeni: but maybe another time :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care, see you soon MItzi

    Here's a bit more on some of the themes of this session:  http://www.koskela.org/ian/the_embodied_mind.txt

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