2010.12.14 13:00 - Know Your Alts

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.

    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Arch!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hiya, Bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: You GoC this session?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers. This is my regular time -- but this is also the regular time for Maxine's dream circle. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: (in case you wanted to be there).
    Archmage Atlantis: Hmmmm, not today, this is good
    Bruce Mowbray: brb -- gotta throw something on the fire. . . brb
    Bruce Mowbray: back. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you have a regularly scheduled session that you're GoC of?
    Archmage Atlantis: No.....that has never been something I envisioned........I am not consistent enough to be comfortable with the commitment............But when the GoC is unexpectedly late, or can't make it, I like to fill in so someone will be here
    Archmage Atlantis: We could even use a fire here :)
     Archmage Atlantis: It's cool for us sub-tropical types......Looks like the winter veg and orange crops are lost again this year
    Bruce Mowbray: We hear in the news that your crops are freezing. Ohhh. How sad. . . That will hurt a lot of people.
    Archmage Atlantis: Out is it is 57 F now, it was 28 F out last night
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, not just the farmers, but also the prices for everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: yes.
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, last night we got down to 5 degrees here - with 20 mph winds.
    Archmage Atlantis: Argh
    Archmage Atlantis: Lots of snow?
    Bruce Mowbray: but right now it is 22 degrees. and that's as warm as it's been all day.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yep, it's been snowing off and on all day.
    Bruce Mowbray: But this early in the season, I enjoy the snow, and so does Bear.

    Wol Euler: hello Bruce, Arch
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol!
    Archmage Atlantis: Pretty, but cold....and icy later
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Wol
    Bruce Mowbray: You don't have snow down there, do you Arch???
    Archmage Atlantis: Every 40 years there may be snow flurries
    Archmage Atlantis: I haven't seen that look before Wol....do you consider that an alt? (if you don't mind me asking)
    Wol Euler: I've had this av for over a week now
    Self Wonder: hello
    Wol Euler: it's sort of an alt, my attempt at Bleu's new project

    Wol Euler: hello Self
    Wol Euler: have you been here before?`
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings Self
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Self Wonder: yes, although not frequently
    Wol Euler: ok, just checking :)
    Bruce Mowbray: sure, Self has been here a few times and knows our routine.
    Wol Euler: ty
    Archmage Atlantis: Imaginative choice of name, Self....very interesting
    Self Wonder: ty
    Bruce Mowbray wishes one of his selves had thought of "Self" itself.
    Self Wonder: is there a subject today?
    Bruce Mowbray: Not yet -- Anything you'd like to talk about?
    Self Wonder: what's in a name maybe?
    Archmage Atlantis: Not yet, although I've been heading in the direction of the alt experience
    Self Wonder: that's kinda an alt subject
    Archmage Atlantis: That fits in well as a similar notion
    Bruce Mowbray feels an alt experience beginning to overtake him. . .
    Wol Euler: :)
    Self Wonder: are you all alts?
    Wol Euler: I am one of five siblings :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The time I came as my alt.....I had sort of an unexpected reaction.......a sense of overexposure or insecurity


    Self Wonder: siblings? is that a new sl category?
    Wol Euler: no, it's a way of saying that I have four alts; my typist has 5 SL avs
    Wol Euler: er, six actually :)
    Wol Euler: just remembered
    Bruce Mowbray: I had the same feeling of vulnerability when I first tried an alt ---
    Bruce Mowbray: found it to be an almost shocking experience. . . to see how much of "my typist" was identifying with the alt. . . and felt confused and vulnerable about it.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray ponders exploring various parts of ourselves through our alts.


    Self Wonder: is there a hierarchy of alts?
    Wol Euler: did you stick with the alt long enough to see through that feeling?
    Wol Euler: see through = get past
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it was an assignment at Pamala Clift's "Think Tank" -- and I stayed with the alt for two weeks.
    Bruce Mowbray: but it was not a comfortable experience -- although a worthwhile one.
    Bruce Mowbray: How was that for you, Arch?
    Wol Euler: (you should perhaps remind the readers that it was a cross-gender a;, we talked about that here a few times)
    Bruce Mowbray: Not only cross-gender, but also a different race (although I don't consider "race" to be a valid notion)
    Wol Euler: oh, that's interesting, I forgot that detail
    Archmage Atlantis: Some "cross-gender" is more intense than "cross-species", which my alts are
    Archmage Atlantis: All of mine are male
    Archmage Atlantis: And gay
    Self Wonder: have you all tried cross-species?
    Bruce Mowbray: I have tried cross-species. . . brb....
    Wol Euler: my main alt has been a cat for a while, that was great fun
    Self Wonder: do you relate to a different species?
    Wol Euler: mostly because other people reacted so well (happily, kindly, amused)
    Self Wonder: was it as much you?
    Self Wonder: a bit of self even in a cat?
    Wol Euler: I've been furry for a week now, if that counts
    Wol Euler: yes, it still felt very much "me"
    Archmage Atlantis: This "you" is composed of 3 other known species......there may be a mythical species in there also, but if so, only glimpses
    Wol Euler: more so than the furry, I've had to work at this
    Self Wonder: same "me" as your human avatars?
    Wol Euler ponders. It was a while ago, I'm reluctant to be more specific.
    Archmage Atlantis: Answering that, Self, will require some thought
    Wol Euler: it was before I really became aware of the differentness of alts, so I am not sure what I felt
    Archmage Atlantis: I came into SL with alts already from - , well for a better term, from RL

    Self Wonder: so do we just create sl alts from rl alt ?
    Wol Euler: perhaps some do :) perhaps others don't
    Self Wonder: is self a solid concept?
    Self Wonder: or more fluid?
    Archmage Atlantis: I wanted to wait for Wol's answer......and I agree with it
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: I think some people make their own selves very solid, crusty, inflexible
    Wol Euler: others allow their selves to be malleable, permeable, variable, fissible
    Self Wonder: or at least think they do
    Wol Euler nods.
    Archmage Atlantis: It is this entity's belief that i am both solid and fluid, and that I cannot know anything about what another is unless they show or tell me


    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Yaku.
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, Yaku
    Self Wonder: hello Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Self Wonder: interesting vegetation

    Bruce Mowbray: Do trees sit?
    Wol Euler: if they want to.
    Self Wonder: do trees type?
    Wol Euler: the question is whether they stand
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the question is, what kind of paper do trees use ?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Self Wonder: paper - scary word for a tree
    Wol Euler: made of ground-up humans perhaps
    Archmage Atlantis: To me....to us.....trees are as variable as humans
    Archmage Atlantis: Or mammal
    Archmage Atlantis: Or vertebrates
    Wol Euler nods.
    Self Wonder: Yakuzza, are you an alt?
    Wol Euler: I had favourites in Hampstead Heath, some of them were like friends. I'd greet them when walking
    Darren Islar: hey :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my alt is Sartre
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey Darren
    Wol Euler: hello Darren
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Darren.

    Self Wonder: hello Darren
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, in principle we are all the alts of our real controller :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Darren Islar: Bruce, you changed.......
    Wol Euler: hello zon
    Bruce Mowbray: always changing. . .
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey Zon
    Zon Kwan: heya all
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zon.
    Darren Islar: ah....... the tree
    Self Wonder: hello Zon
    Darren Islar: hi Zon
    Archmage Atlantis: I wish a video of the morphing of Bruce just now was in existence
    Self Wonder: afk for a minute
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, we trees do tend to lose our leaves in the winter, you know.
    Darren Islar: ah right, of course :)
    Archmage Atlantis: From black earth planted roots, to wood sprouting leaves, to a tree in summer......and now
    Bruce Mowbray: and now. . . perhaps logs for the wood burner. . . so humans can be warm.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Zon
    Darren Islar: or for little bugs and insects to feed themselves on
    Darren Islar: and later on food for new plants and greens
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Bart!
    Darren Islar: hi Bartram
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey Bart


    Darren Islar is happy to see the old Bruce again
    Bruce Mowbray is happy to BE the old Bruce again, thanks.

    Darren Islar: :)

    Archmage Atlantis: Odd to be in 2 places at once
    Wol Euler grins.
    Darren Islar: ?
    Archmage Atlantis: when one doesn't know where one is at all
    Bruce Mowbray: "where" always seems to be relative. . . sort of like "when"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sometimes it´s really useful, especially before when i wanted to be at the i ching workshop and the GoetheIinstitute at once
    Bruce Mowbray: And Yaku DID it! too! Two!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: since i got Mick's sticks today i felt the need to go there
    Self Wonder: could you do that and get anything out of it, Yakuzza?
    Darren Islar: I sometimes do it too
    Darren Islar: but don't like it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, but it really depends on the depth of the conversations
    Archmage Atlantis: Dang, someone could probably come up with a good theory in physics with that thought, Bruce :)
    Darren Islar: I like to be in one place in one piece :)
    Self Wonder: is that like multi-tasking?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the other day i tried to be in 2 places with voice
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that was killing me
    Zon Kwan: how to be in 2 places at same time ?
    Wol Euler: with an alt :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 2 clients
    Darren Islar: :) Yaku
    Zon Kwan: 2 PC's ?
    Self Wonder: seems obsessive to me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no, but you can start Phoenix twice
    Zon Kwan: ah
    Zon Kwan: so u need phoenix
    Bruce Mowbray didn't know that. Thanks, Yaku.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you can also start the regular sl viewer twice but there is an ini entry
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you have to change that
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, but once you let one alt in at the same time, they all want in
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i never did that since i use phoenix anyway
    Darren Islar: well if you have more active avatars, sometimes to be in two places is inevitable
    Zon Kwan: how to change the regular viewer ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but only 1 phoenix will have voice then
    Darren Islar: right Arch :)
    Self Wonder: seems that if the effort is to be more mindful that would be counter-intuitive
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if i want 2 times voice on the same pc i need to start phoenix and radegast (text-based viewer) with voice)
    Wol Euler: perhaps there are different efforts at different times
    Archmage Atlantis: Then they try to leak through
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i agree it´s not really helpful
    Yakuzza Lethecus: still, sometimes i feel the need to be in 2 places
    Self Wonder: there's probably a 12-step program for that
    Bruce Mowbray feels increasing envy about having antlers. . . like Wol.
    Darren Islar: hehe Self :)
    Wol Euler: hard to do in RL, easy here
    Wol Euler: I can give you the LM
    Bruce Mowbray: to get antlers? PLEASE do!
    Darren Islar: antlers?
    Wol Euler: like mine
    Archmage Atlantis: Been there, done that, got the tee shirts.......Although I can't wear most of them because 12 steppers tend not to order anything larger than 3XLT
    Archmage Atlantis: If that
    Wol Euler: there are clothing restrictions in AA?


    Darren Islar: yes, you are not allowed to wear any alcoholic drink
    Self Wonder: later everyone, enjoy your day
    Wol Euler: oh, I see! that makes sense.
    Wol Euler: bye self, take care
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Self. Be yourself today.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye self
    Archmage Atlantis: Depends on which 12 step
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Archmage Atlantis: food, sex, alcohol, gambling, etc.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yep it's time to go
    Bruce Mowbray: G'nite Yaku.
    Darren Islar: yes, but AA is alcohol
    Bruce Mowbray: G'nite, Arch.
    Archmage Atlantis: The original comment was 12 step.......nite Bruce.....throw a log on for me :)
    Wol Euler: bye arch, sleep well
    Archmage Atlantis: Nite sister Wol....be well
    Darren Islar: ah..... then Arch is right
    Archmage Atlantis: Geronimo!!!!
    Wol Euler: hang on, is anyone actually leaving?
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Zon Kwan: nite nite
    Bruce Mowbray: G'nite, Zon.
    Wol Euler: hello aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello
    Darren Islar: hi Agatha
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, aggers!
    Darren Islar: I just wanted to sing a song about three toddlers sitting on a fence
    Wol Euler: :)
    Darren Islar: but perhaps it is better Agatha joined us, since I can't sing :)
    Agatha Macbeth: me either
    Darren Islar: I had this friend that always started laughing if I was singing
    Darren Islar: said I sounded like Randy Newman
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Darren Islar: well, I guess I'm going to find out how the lady is
    Agatha Macbeth: lady?
    Wol Euler: eh?
    Darren Islar: see you folks :)
    Darren Islar: girlfriend
    Agatha Macbeth: bye
    Bruce Mowbray: G'nite, Darren.
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Wol Euler: have a great time, Darren
    Darren Islar: thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for the antlers tip, Wol.
    Wol Euler: yw
    Wol Euler: they have lots of different types
    Wol Euler: and all are colour-change scripted
    Wol Euler: ah.

    Wol Euler: that was fast work
    Bruce Mowbray: I like this color -- goes nicely with my hair.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: better
    Bruce Mowbray: ty.
    Wol Euler: :)


    Bruce Mowbray: 'Tis time for me to graze. . . May you both be happy and safe.
    Wol Euler: bye Bruce, find the good roots
    Agatha Macbeth: one will try
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
    Agatha Macbeth: bye
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi blue eyes :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: this av is beginning to feel homey
    Agatha Macbeth: it's cute

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