2010.12.27 01:00 - real humans in a second life

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Tallin Dezno: associations i think, very much
    Tallin Dezno: hi yaku ! good morning ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey the both of you
    oO0Oo Resident: hi yaku
    Tallin Dezno: so sam is not your real name oOOOo ? ;-)
    oO0Oo Resident: In my profile I suggested that people might find it easier to type sam, as opposed to 'Samúð'. Samúð is the full name
    oO0Oo Resident: or oO0Oo
    oO0Oo Resident: either way
    oO0Oo Resident: 0 or sam
    Tallin Dezno: wow - THAT sounds nice and exotic to me ! so, may i also ask, where you are from samud ? egypt perhaps ? :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: Samúð is an Icelandic word
    Tallin Dezno: wow again - the country where my money was frozen and from where i was stopped by an ashcloud ! ...
    oO0Oo Resident: If only it could slow the momentum of the speed of humankind
    Tallin Dezno: i often say i am slow
    Tallin Dezno: it seems often that i am slower than average
    Tallin Dezno: at least in relation to the modern world and people
    oO0Oo Resident: I see no problem
    Tallin Dezno: sometimes it´s a problem
    oO0Oo Resident listens
    Tallin Dezno: but i can say , mostly i love it
    Tallin Dezno: the problem is that the syncronisation with others doesn´t always works. because i´m too slow. or the others are too fast for me
    Tallin Dezno: work*
    Tallin Dezno: but i love slowlyness nevertheless -
    Tallin Dezno: find it much more comfortable
    Tallin Dezno: instead of this bad hurry hurry hurry
    Tallin Dezno: which kind of meditation do you practise sam ? zen ?
    Tallin Dezno: practice*
    oO0Oo Resident: just watching the mind... I suppose tallin
    Tallin Dezno: oh. i see.
    oO0Oo Resident: awareness of what arises
    Tallin Dezno: nice
    Tallin Dezno: since when do you do that
    Tallin Dezno: ?
    oO0Oo Resident: the posture is taken care of by the cushions in SL
    oO0Oo Resident: You can see I am only 2+ weeks old
    oO0Oo Resident: my RL is more of a private topic for now
    oO0Oo Resident: as I am a beginner here
    Tallin Dezno: oh. so you meditate only since you came into sl ? ah, sry. for sure i accept that
    oO0Oo Resident: It is hard to know, without asking questions. I understand.
    Tallin Dezno: but the other way round, you can ask me everything, also from my fl ;-)
    oO0Oo Resident: fl?
    Tallin Dezno: i prefere to call it first life, fl yes - it´s explained in my profile why i do so,even more : why i´m convinced that we should name it like this
    Tallin Dezno: i hope, that is not too missionary ...
    oO0Oo Resident: I don't find this in your profile. perhaps i am not looking in the right place.
    Tallin Dezno: oh - sry - no : it´s written in my main avatars profile !
    Tallin Dezno: so i can explain here : i see sl as part of fl and so i call both rl
    oO0Oo Resident: OK
    Tallin Dezno: because this here has also reality for us
    oO0Oo Resident: sure
    Tallin Dezno: we spend time here, our thougts and emotions are linked with this second world, it´s part of the reality
    oO0Oo Resident: granted
    Tallin Dezno: for sure, we can devide it also from the other life ... but both is reality ... hm
    Tallin Dezno: that´s why i like to call them fl and sl -
    oO0Oo Resident: I appreciate how you have thought that through
    Tallin Dezno: tyvm :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: I am thinking of how the appearances on SL are connected to "real" humans, and it makes me think of the web of connections in RL/fl (all arisen phenomena in fact) and how I could develop sensitivity for my part in it all.
    Tallin Dezno: i think, the appearances in sl are more or less connected to the fl avatars ;-)
    Tallin Dezno: and it´s possible to play with the sl avatars very much, to make them very different from the own fl appearance or one can try to modify them in a way as one self is
    Tallin Dezno: for sure, i think, most are a bit nicer or brought into a perfect age and all that
    Tallin Dezno: and about sensitivity : don´t you have it already because you ask such questions ?
    oO0Oo Resident: I feel myself ambivalence and indecision around this, and it makes interacting with others interesting in its own way
    oO0Oo Resident: I don't know
    oO0Oo Resident: it seems to be on a continuum
    Tallin Dezno: yes ! that´s it ! one way of using sl : to play with it, trying out. all that is possible
    Tallin Dezno: i, for example, like to use it as expression of myself. normally i try to present my person as it is, only a bit modified like described before ...
    Tallin Dezno: and seldom i also play with different appearances
    Tallin Dezno: but that is only my way to handle all that -
    oO0Oo Resident: there is a way to heighten comfort or discomfort, which can be helpful in understanding oneself
    oO0Oo Resident: there is plenty to learn
    oO0Oo Resident: not always easy
    oO0Oo Resident: different motivations are operating
    oO0Oo Resident: people want to be happy and not suffer
    oO0Oo Resident: I can see that there is suffering here in SL
    Tallin Dezno: can you give me an example for "heighten discomfort" perhaps ? did not understand it so far ... and yes ! i agree : plenty to learn , but i find it nice . one thing is very easy here : you can switch off everything with only one click if you like to do so . and also parts : click them away with only one click (!)
    Tallin Dezno: yes, you´re absolutely right
    Tallin Dezno: sry, not absolutely - i didn´t want to use that word so frivolously - i´d like to replace it with "very" -
    oO0Oo Resident: I don't know much. One can switch things off, choose to click this or that, it's true. And also...
    oO0Oo Resident: there is effect to these foregone causes
    oO0Oo Resident: even after something is switched off
    Tallin Dezno: yes. i had that in mind too ... but it is different to fl : there are not such click it away actions possible mostly ...
    Tallin Dezno: but i still have that question in my mind : what did you mean about incresing discomfort plz ? could you explain that to me ?
    oO0Oo Resident: I will try.
    oO0Oo Resident: It is not a well thought out thing.
    Tallin Dezno: tyvm ! :-)
    Tallin Dezno: np
    Tallin Dezno: i like when we search also for cognition ! even very much i like that - so interesting, developing, inspiring ! ...
    oO0Oo Resident: parden me. I had an interuption in RL/fl
    oO0Oo Resident: pardon*
    Tallin Dezno: np. ok - ty for metioning it
    oO0Oo Resident: "resting with the question", was it Rilke who said that?
    Tallin Dezno: ah - sry - i don´t know ...
    oO0Oo Resident: resting with the questions themselves
    oO0Oo Resident: love the questions themselves
    oO0Oo Resident: but not always comfortable
    oO0Oo Resident: comfort is trying to get an answer
    Tallin Dezno: ah - that´s so often a topic to me ! because ... i prefere answers i must admit ... ;-)
    oO0Oo Resident: to solve something
    oO0Oo Resident: but what is ever truly solved
    oO0Oo Resident: I wonder
    oO0Oo Resident: as it relates to me
    oO0Oo Resident: I feel my habits and tendencies of mind
    oO0Oo Resident: i could construct my avatar and conduct myself for comforts sake
    oO0Oo Resident: but i have been a little to lazy
    oO0Oo Resident: so I get the benefit of the discomfort
    oO0Oo Resident: when others want to offer me hair quite often
    oO0Oo Resident: because they are not sure if I am a man or woman
    oO0Oo Resident: and they feel the need to solve that
    oO0Oo Resident: for them, for me
    oO0Oo Resident: there is a tension
    oO0Oo Resident: i could solve it
    oO0Oo Resident: but I have been lazy
    oO0Oo Resident: I hope I learn something from this
    oO0Oo Resident: does that help to answer the question?
    Tallin Dezno: interesting ! ... yes, i guess so - tyvm again for sharing that with us ! ...
    oO0Oo Resident: it is a small example
    oO0Oo Resident: I have a friend in RL/fl, whose eye glasses are broken
    Tallin Dezno: yes. again : very interesting and i liked the conversation with you very much but get a bit tired now again and would like to leave for now - before the bell rings again - would that be ok for you ? ...
    oO0Oo Resident: he puts tape on them, and it looks quite awkward
    Tallin Dezno: oops - i still listen to that plz
    oO0Oo Resident: I asked him how it works for him
    oO0Oo Resident: he said it results in a kind of filter
    oO0Oo Resident: only the people willing to interact with that remain
    oO0Oo Resident: Thank you for your questions tallin, and I also enjoyed talking with you. Have a nice transition.
    Tallin Dezno: sorry telephone here ...
    oO0Oo Resident: no worries
    Tallin Dezno: done - okay - ty again and hope to meet you again - have a nice time plz ! :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care tallin
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Tallin
    Tallin Dezno: ty yaku san ... :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sry, i am not that talkative this morning
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even tho i have this week off
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i of course related to some elements :)
    oO0Oo Resident: I have given many people the antlers you gave me yaku. They all seemed very delighted, and i have really enjoyed them.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i was given the antlers here as well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and many ppl appreaciated this little gift
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it shows how important tiny gestures are
    oO0Oo Resident: yes :)
    oO0Oo Resident: sensitivity and timing
    oO0Oo Resident: wisdom and skillful means
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sensitivity isn´t always my strenght
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least i can say that i honestly wish noone harm, so i go from that point of intentionality
    Yakuzza Lethecus: of course i still ask myself how i act and react where my habits are focused on gain
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how we develop over time and through social interaction
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i like this place
    oO0Oo Resident: it feels like you keep things light rather than getting too heavy, and there is clearly benevolent intention in your being
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i really learned a lot from ppl around here even tho that often i did not contribute that much
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i would like to keep some things lighter
    Yakuzza Lethecus: brb, phone
    oO0Oo Resident: I appreciate your presence very much and I like this plae too, and feel there is much to learn here
    oO0Oo Resident: OK
    oO0Oo Resident: contributions come in many forms, and it is clear that you are a treasured member of this community
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am glad that many ppl here giving me this feeling, still aspects of contributing are comming up especially when my own sessions turn into silly chit chats or only fun sessions without depth
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even tho i don´t mind fun
    oO0Oo Resident: that awareness of your personal challenge is precisely the heightening of comfort/discomfort that I reffered to
    Yakuzza Lethecus: intentional creation of depth might be nothing really achievable, but to increase the likelyhood is an interesting espect
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have to go :(
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx very much
    oO0Oo Resident: OK, Nice to see you again
    oO0Oo Resident: likewise

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