2011.01.01 19:00 - What is the 'hello' time tax?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: hi Arch & O
    oO0Oo Resident: hi! oops!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello O, Hello Pema
    oO0Oo Resident: there
    Pema Pera: you landed, O :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Ewan!
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Ewan
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Ewan
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Folks!
    Pema Pera: O, you were here recently a few times while we talked about the 9-second breaks -- may I ask, did you get a chance to try them out yourself?
    Archmage Atlantis: Et tu, Cal.......um, I mean....hello Cal
    Pema Pera: hi Calvino and Bleu!
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
    oO0Oo Resident: in RL? not yet Pema
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bleu
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Tame;
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi everyone
    Pema Pera: I would be eager to hear how it would go, O -- and it takes only 9 seconds, so it is not that much work :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Cal, Bleu, Tame
    Pema Pera: wow, such a crowd on a Saturday night, more than usual!

    Haha, Bleu provided the obvious key:

    Bleu Oleander: must be a holiday :)
    oO0Oo Resident: not too taxing no, Pema, I can afford the time gift
    Pema Pera: hi Pila, Happy New Year :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Pila :)
    Pila Mulligan: greetings, hauoli makahiki hou :)
    Pema Pera: haha, Bleu, you may have a point!
    Bleu Oleander: hope everyone had a nice new years :)
    Pema Pera: yes, O, time is such a strange thing . . .
    oO0Oo Resident: ty
    Pema Pera: sure did, Bleu, how about you?
    Bleu Oleander: very nice, quiet
    Pema Pera: hi Steve!
    Bleu Oleander: hi steve :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Steve, happy 2011
    stevenaia Michinaga: Happy New Year
    Archmage Atlantis: Falling behind on my hellos
    oO0Oo Resident: hi stevenaia
    Pema Pera: I like your new Snowwhite dress, Steve!
    stevenaia Michinaga: (in case you forgot)
    druth Vlodovic: hey y'all
    Bleu Oleander: hi druth
    Pema Pera: and hey, Tarmel, happy New Year!
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx, another shopping adventure
    Bleu Oleander: hi Tarmel, HNY!!
    Pila Mulligan: hi Tarmel
    stevenaia Michinaga: I liked last night log Pema, a nice way to begin the new year... at the begining
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi All! Happy New 2011
    Pema Pera: oh, thank you, Steve!
    Pema Pera: (and remind me, what was that about?)
    Pema Pera: (I recently attended many sessions again!)
    stevenaia Michinaga: you discuss the 9 seconds and the 90 seconds here

    That must have been the log of 11/1/1 at 1 am -- indeed at the very beginning :-)

    Pema Pera: ah yes
    Pema Pera: three years ago we talked about that regularly
    Archmage Atlantis: Did the New Year finally pass the international date line, so we can be in the same virtual day once more :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to get re-grounded about the begining
    Pema Pera: but I guess by now the oldtimers are used to it, so the newtimers may never hear about it :-)
    oO0Oo Resident nods at steve
    Tarmel Udimo: (well ours happened 2 days ago:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pila was the last one to see the new year
    Pema Pera: yes in did, Arch! It's already afternoon of the 2nd here in Japan
    Pema Pera: *it
    stevenaia Michinaga: Closest to the dateline
    Tarmel Udimo: ah you too pema
    Pema Pera: and yes, for you time, Tarmel!
    Pila Mulligan: hi ermione
    Tarmel Udimo: hi
    Tarmel Udimo: how festive everything looks
    Tarmel Udimo: who did the decorations?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Aphrodite
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Bleu Oleander: happens :)
    Pila Mulligan: Felice Anno Nuovo in her memory then
    stevenaia Michinaga: japan is very far away
    Archmage Atlantis: That is still a good topic Pema
    Pema Pera: Arch, have you played with the 9-sec breaks?
    Archmage Atlantis: being included, tho technology and rl create differences.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Pema, played for sure
    Pema Pera: how did it go?
    Archmage Atlantis: Let me consider that
    Pila Mulligan: h StarrBuzz -- happy new year and 1st day in SecondLife

    Pila noticed that StarrBuzz was born that day.

    StarrBuzz Resident: thanks! happy to you as well!
    Archmage Atlantis: When I was open to a new experience, it made it more
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome to Second Life
    oO0Oo Resident: Yes, welcome StarrBuzz
    Pila Mulligan: hi Rhiannon
    Bleu Oleander: hi Rhia
    Pema Pera: Hi StarrBuzz, welcome! We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://wiki.playasbeing.org/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Pema Pera: hi Rhia!
    StarrBuzz Resident: thats great thanks
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Pila
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Bleu
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Rhi
    Pema Pera: thanks, Star!
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Samud
    Pema Pera: and thanks, Arch! Yes, I recognize that
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Cal, durth, Ewan, and everyone else who didn't say hi to me
    Pema Pera: taking short breaks can amplify your situation at that time
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi
    Pema Pera: make you more open when you feel open -- and also making you more aware of closedness
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Tarmel
    Ewan Bonham: Hello, Rhia...not that the greeting wasn't said at some level..:)
    Rhiannon Dragoone smiles at Ewan
    oO0Oo Resident: Yes, strange about time Pema *giggles*
    oO0Oo Resident: what is the 'hello' time tax?

    And so the title for this session was born, and Rhiannon would give a nice twist to the idea.

    Pema Pera: haha, a sneaky new addition?
    oO0Oo Resident: but friendly
    Pema Pera: hi Eliza!
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eliza
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I think Obama is still negotiating with the Republicans about the hello tax; they oppose it
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Eliza!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Eliza
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Eliza
    Pema Pera: (^_^) @ Rhia
    Tarmel Udimo: smile at Rhi
    Tarmel Udimo: hi eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone!
    Eliza Madrigal: Tarmel too, wow :)
    druth Vlodovic: nice wings eliza :)
    Tarmel Udimo: yep, didn't expect anyone here:)
    Tarmel Udimo: but everyone is:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) druth, thank you... maybe a little too much party, hah
    Rhiannon Dragoone: i can't see sthem throughh steve's wonderful display
    Pema Pera: I haven't seen so many of us at my usual Saturday night yession -- Bleu has this strange theory that it may be related to holidays :-)
    Pema Pera: *session
    Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i was thrown for a loop when i saw all the people
    Bleu Oleander: avatars on holiday :)
    Ewan Bonham: Well, a New Begginning..:)
    Eliza Madrigal: don't let me interrupt of course, but nice to see everyone on New Years day :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: And i can actually *see* all the people; no clouds
    druth Vlodovic: did they celebrate the new year in Japan? I understand they have a different calendar for holidays
    stevenaia Michinaga: Holiday theoy?
    Calvino Rabeni: was it suggested, we could dispense with some hello's and use the time for 9 seconds of awareness of reality?
    Pema Pera: oh yes, Druth, the New Year is *the* big holiday time in Japan
    Rhiannon Dragoone: druth, all countries now celebrate this holiday as a world wide celebration, even if it's not Newy Year's per se; China and Vietnam go into the act this year
    Pema Pera: and they now celebrate it at the Western time (used to be Chinese time)
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems a party is universal
    Pila Mulligan: was lunar calendar time :)
    Pema Pera: oh, perhaps we have time for both, Calvino :-)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Pema, they celebrate both New Years
    Rhiannon Dragoone: It's like there's a global one now, and regional ones
    Eliza Madrigal: whose hellos shall we dispense with? heheh
    Tarmel Udimo: yes that would make sense
    druth Vlodovic: any excuse for a party, just the right attitude :)
    Tarmel Udimo: not the hellos the celebrations:)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Eiza, not mine, i treasure my hellos. It means i'm accepted. :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Ewan Bonham: Maybe we can each take 9 seconds and give a genuine and universal Hello..:)

    I missed Ewan's idea, since my sentenced arrived almost simultaneously with his; it would have been an interesting exploration to focus on genuine hellos -- perhaps some other time?

    Pema Pera: but talking about 9 sec (or 90 seconds) -- shall we use the next break to sit back, relax, and do the old PaB thing -- try to drop what we have to see what we are?
    Pema Pera: As if we did it for the very first time?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hello, hola, aloha; Gruss Gott; hi, how areya
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, sure !
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds good
    Archmage Atlantis: Back to basics :)
    oO0Oo Resident: wazzzup!
    druth Vlodovic: then we can say hello to the new person we find ourselves to be
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: nice
    Pema Pera: hahaha, nice Druth!
    Ewan Bonham: ㋡ Druth..
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have often wondered about the methods to an end, like "opening up" and 9/90 seconds and how simple a method little meditatative moments can be to get there
    Archmage Atlantis: Centering
    Eliza Madrigal: wonderful... brought me back to a sense of the first moments of the day
    stevenaia Michinaga: just a moment to allow what you hold on to , to melt away
    Ewan Bonham: Felt I released myself from anxiety that I was hanging onto..
    Pema Pera: I listened to the sound of a hanging scroll softing hitting the wall at irregular times, responding to a small draft; it was like a drain catching random thoughts.
    Tarmel Udimo: nice pema
    oO0Oo Resident: nice image Pema
    Pema Pera: nice sense, melting, Steve
    Bleu Oleander: interesting how the 90 secs goes so fast ... when I first started in PaB the pauses seems endless
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Pila Mulligan: about a week ago I planted a new tree here and began lavishing affection on it daily to help it become established ... I rememebred how earlier today I saw it had that special glow of vitality living things can have, felt good :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Still got the same frogs, birds and other life.....still sound nice
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Sometimes, you need to breathe, and almost go in a trance; i fi hadn't today, i woiuld have thought it sucked; i went to a discussion this morning, wich required voice and myh voice was out; i could only get music and ambiant sounds; then a pipe broke in my house and i had a flood. But with meditation, even for an instnat, or while i was mopping up, i felt capable
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, love when 9 seconds is to long and 90 seconds can be to little
    Bleu Oleander: aims for that glow of vitality every day Pila :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pema Pera: yes, Rhia, those switches can be instantaneous!
    Pema Pera: and yes, Steve, the 9 seconds can become mini eternities
    Pema Pera: vacations in fact
    oO0Oo Resident: hope not too much damage Rhi
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Samud, no some toweling, have the fire roaring to dry things out, and I won't be able to do laundry today.
    Eliza Madrigal: when several things happen at once I think one notices a practice like this sort of 'kick in' responsively... give some perspective somehow... maybe a laugh at times

    Yes: the neat thing about doing something dozens of times a day, no matter how short, is that after a while it gets under your sking, "kicking in" without effort or expectation.

    Tarmel Udimo: deeply agrees:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, laughs arise from special places, they find you
    Pema Pera: yes, it's funny how collisions of too many things can let all things drop . . . .
    oO0Oo Resident: with luck, humour arises
    Calvino Rabeni: dropping the unimportant things to have freedom to pick up the important ones
    Eliza Madrigal: well there is a kind of 'why me' thing that seems begins to seem silly
    stevenaia Michinaga: humor opens you up by displacing something else, usually seriousness
    Eliza Madrigal: seems or begins to seem*
    Calvino Rabeni: noticing the different organization of self between Doing and Being modes
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Calvino Rabeni: the "re-entry" is interesting
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: putting it all back together
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, the coming in and taking in process..
    Rhiannon Dragoone: well, a crisis, no matter how minor, can get you in the doing mode
    Rhiannon Dragoone: And being a westerneer, for me "To be is to do"
    Rhiannon Dragoone hopes no one does theold Sartre, Heidegger, Sinatra thing
    Ewan Bonham: I am finding being comes first, then the doing becomes less effort..
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Rhi
    stevenaia Michinaga: re-entry is like a re-filling of the emptyness for me Cal, aways amazed what re-emergies after
    Eliza Madrigal holds back

    I picked up Calvino's "re-entry" idea.

    Pema Pera: Interesting point, Calvino -- how about using the next 90-sec break to do the same, going from having to being, but then paying special attention on the "re-entry" back to normal, so to speak, as Calvino suggested?
    Calvino Rabeni: nice idea
    Pema Pera: and yes, seconding Steve :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Each entity has e
    Archmage Atlantis: And e
    Archmage Atlantis: has e's own pat
    Archmage Atlantis: Apologize
    oO0Oo Resident: sorry arch
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The mind activated the fingers
    Archmage Atlantis: before the bell sounded
    Pema Pera: like a new vacation in the middle of a vacation -- to come back to a newer old world :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: the eyes opening activates reality
    Pema Pera: (the re-entry)
    Tarmel Udimo: wow that was restful!
    Ewan Bonham: Yes..
    Eliza Madrigal nodding, thankful
    druth Vlodovic: it's not always restful, if there are things that think of themselves as immediate
    Pema Pera: nicely put, druth! thoughts do seem to think themselves often . . .
    Tarmel Udimo: sure I had a few of those but managed to leave them alone:)
    Ewan Bonham: It is always a form of effort to me..
    Rhiannon Dragoone: druth, well, the trick is to go into trance; a kind of "mindfulnes," I'd guess you'd say
    Pema Pera: can you say more, Ewan?
    Ewan Bonham: Oh, the focus is not just a clearing of the mind...
    Ewan Bonham: It is also allowing myself to immerse in the point of focus ..
    Ewan Bonham: So it can come into my senses..
    Ewan Bonham: This to me requires a keen focus ..

    Rhia added an important perspective:

    Rhiannon Dragoone: I think the trick is also defocusing
    Eliza Madrigal slips out quietly. Namaste' and Happy New Year everyone (must go) Thank you (please don't type byes ;-))
    Pila Mulligan also must quietly slip away for a rl matter -- happy new year :)
    Pema Pera: non-bye to Eliza :-)
    Ewan Bonham: I have found without such focus, I actually feel more restless after these periods..
    Pema Pera: interesting, Ewan!
    Pema Pera: it's a subtle interplay . . .
    Pema Pera: do you feel that with practice it becomes easier?
    Ewan Bonham: Oh, Yes...I do it several times a day...just for short periods..:)
    Ewan Bonham: I enjoy it...likea re-balance..
    Pema Pera: what happens exactly when you try to non-focus -- is it similar each time?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Pema, i'm assuming you're talkiing to me; well, by non-focus i mean Hak-u-lau, a state of extended awareness; you distance yourself from the anxiety, are aware of all details around you; time sppeds up or slows down depending
    Ewan Bonham: At the end of the time, the non-focus is almost like waking from a sleep..
    Pema Pera: and then what happens, Ewan?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Yes, from grogginess; anyway
    Calvino Rabeni: Choose your trance, it seems
    Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, you weren't talking to me; sorry, lag and aIaM's
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Sorry.
    Pema Pera: np, Rhiannon, we can all join in!
    Archmage Atlantis: I heard that as the dreamtime, not as sleep
    Rhiannon Dragoone makes a zipping motion to her liips
    oO0Oo Resident: lol rhi
    Ewan Bonham: Oh, afterwards, I notice my internal process..often refreshed...and rythym within me is slowed...
    Bleu Oleander: night all .... nice to see everyone and happy new year :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: nite Bleu
    Ewan Bonham: nit leu
    Pema Pera: sleep well, Bleu!
    oO0Oo Resident: bye bleu
    Rhiannon Dragoone: When I am in Hak-U-lau, i can remote sense, as well as know what'a all around me; i'm more coordinated, less anxiety
    Calvino Rabeni nods
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Pema, i know we can all join in; but ii was answering your question and you wanted Ewan's answer

    I picked up on Rhia's idea of non-focus:

    Pema Pera: shall we all try to non-focus, during the next 90 seconds break, those who can stay for a few minutes more?
    Ewan Bonham: nod..
    stevenaia Michinaga: what is "Hak-U-lau"
    oO0Oo Resident: sure
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Pema Pera: no further method or instructions -- each in our own way :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree. {{ema
    Pema Pera: I felt my eyes grow soft, as if leaning back in their sockets, while my field of view seemed to open up, becoming wider
    Tarmel Udimo: I felt everything relax internally
    Rhiannon Dragoone: i looke through the roots of my eys, as my peripheral vision takes over and i can actually sense things behind me; even though i am legally blind, i can drive in this state
    Calvino Rabeni nods, same experience Pema, and I had the phrase "Soft Eyes" in mind for a bit during it
    oO0Oo Resident: yes, a kind of expansion of awareness, paired with being more proximal to my RL body for me
    Rhiannon Dragoone: For me, it's like the anxiety is out there in the world, apart from me
    Rhiannon Dragoone: And i'm also aware that someone among us has a serious illness; or maybe someone close to him or her does; i sense a black, swirling cloud
    Pema Pera: how interesting, O, to experience the SL - RL connection that way
    Pema Pera: and fascinating, that several of us shared that soft eye sensation
    Calvino Rabeni: I noticed how much SL takes me to an"out of body" experience, and its a bit unpleasant
    Ewan Bonham: Felt an awakening in all senses...as if inner energy was flowing better..
    oO0Oo Resident: for me too Cal
    Rhiannon Dragoone: well, it depends on what you mean by soft eyes--my eyes relax
    Rhiannon Dragoone: It does relieve blockages,Ewan
    Calvino Rabeni: soft eyes is diffuse focus and field awareness with propioception for me
    Ewan Bonham: ㋡ Rhia
    Calvino Rabeni: peripheral vision is a whole different somatic mode
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Yes, proprioceptics is enhanced; and no, Cal, it is not, not for my defocus, anyway
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I defocus into extended awareness
    Tarmel Udimo: gee its been nice catching with and seeing everyone, its been a while..., but now I must go see you agin in this hopefully wonderful NY..
    Tarmel Udimo: *again
    Ewan Bonham: Bye Tamel..:)
    Pema Pera: bey Tarmel!
    Tarmel Udimo: bye for now all
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Tarmel, and for you too
    Tarmel Udimo: nice to see you Pema:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night all
    oO0Oo Resident: bye stevenaia
    Rhiannon Dragoone: bye steve!
    Pema Pera: bye Steve
    Rhiannon Dragoone: tc Tarmel; it was nice seeing you

    Time for me to take off as well.  The session would continue for a few more hours, I would see later!

    Pema Pera: I have to take off too
    oO0Oo Resident: I read a quote today that reminded me of BaB: "Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness and just be happy." -- Guillaume Apollinaire
    Pema Pera: thank you all for talking and exploring and being here!
    Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, tc Pema
    Calvino Rabeni: thats a good quote 0
    Pema Pera: hahaha, what a great quote, O !
    Ewan Bonham: Nice seeing you Pema..:)
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Pema, soft scrolls drain
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Rue!
    Rue Moonwall: Hi Rhia,
    Rhiannon Dragoone: ur welcome, Pema
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I get the impression that i've been on a different wavelength than you all tonight
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Nobody's really commented on my defocusing
    Calvino Rabeni: I did
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Cal, that might have been when my magnifier went bezerk; what did you say?
    Rue Moonwall: You mind defocusing, or unwinding?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, that you think using peripheral vision is a different somatic modality than defocusing?
    oO0Oo Resident: There were some prophetic remarks you made Rhi...
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, not for me.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Samud, prophetic remarks? I recall sensing someone in distress, either over himself, or someone close
    Rue Moonwall: Well we have so many items on our table now a days, it seem that there is no end to focusing and refocusing, we havent finish learning something when is allready obsolete
    oO0Oo Resident: Another quote reminded me of SL, and PaB within SL: "Only those who take leisurely what the people of the world are busy about can be busy about what the people of the world take leisurely." -- Chang Chao
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Yes, and that's why defocusing is so important, rue
    druth Vlodovic: I wouldn't mind hearing the how's of hak-u-lau
    Rue Moonwall: is not going to happen any time in the near future, tech is accelarating everything, even this 3 hours I spend at night in sl, I use to spend it in bed watching tv,
    druth Vlodovic: but if we do everything quickly we have a hard time doing things deeply
    Calvino Rabeni: The technological treadmill
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, Druth...important point..
    oO0Oo Resident: perhaps a good segway to hak-u-lau
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, first, you look at a 45 degree angle about 15 degress in front of you; then you pick spots to your loeft and right, at the edge of your awareness; that's where the peripheral vision comes in, then you extend it back, until you sense what's behind you; relax into it with deep breathes and let it happen. It can slow down time or speed it up; i'm about 35% more responsive in sparriing when I'm in it; it eleminates my anxiety, and helps my remote viewing or sensing
    Calvino Rabeni: someone keeps pressing the "faster" button on the treadmill
    Calvino Rabeni: And with 0's quote comes the idea of the people who are distanced, disconnected from the mainstream and their role in the whole
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Cal, and in Hak-u-lau, you can keep on slowing down time
    Rue Moonwall: well , quickly and deeply, are not exactly in the same wave lenght, but thats a bigger problem today then before, you have to learn more, and fastr
    Rue Moonwall: faster
    Calvino Rabeni: what's your style Rhi
    Calvino Rabeni: your art
    Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, kenpo-kung fu, as taught by an ex special forces instructor
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Ichi mu kung fu you might call it
    Rue Moonwall: Your in the special force Rhia?
    Calvino Rabeni: ok, when you're sparring, and in a melee, what do you do to unclump the perceptions?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Rue, they don't take women in special forces. ::looks up and whistles::
    Rue Moonwall: lol
    Rhiannon Dragoone: And the agency i worked for just loves PhD's, and does take women
    Rue Moonwall: you have a Phd, I presume
    Rhiannon Dragoone: You presume right
    Rue Moonwall: lol
    Rue Moonwall: May I ask in what?
    Calvino Rabeni: In the martial arts you have an excellent experimental phenomenology field with the opportunity for immediate feedback
    Rue Moonwall: Marketing?
    Rue Moonwall: lol
    Rue Moonwall: Politics
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hey, i've got to get going. Philosophy Rue; and Cal yes, experimental, i would say behavioral phenomenology; instnat feedback; you do it wrong, you get hit
    Calvino Rabeni: short, medium, and long frame time also
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Cal, yes
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, i really havae to go
    Rhiannon Dragoone: so happy new year agaiin!
    Rue Moonwall: NIght, Rhia
    oO0Oo Resident: be well in that special force that is Rhi, Rhi
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Bye Rhia
    Ewan Bonham: Nite Rhia..
    Rue Moonwall: So part of defocusing, is also slowing down the feed back
    Rue Moonwall: control the information entering your senses
    Rue Moonwall: to a tolerable level, so you can relax, some people have forgotent how to relax!
    Calvino Rabeni: Still thinking about what Rue said
    oO0Oo Resident: there's a lot there
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    druth Vlodovic: you'd hear the things hiding inside
    Rue Moonwall: WE have forgoten how to relax!
    oO0Oo Resident: druth?
    Calvino Rabeni: Intentional slowing down can help as a practice, but on the other hand it's possible to relax no matter the "speed"
    oO0Oo Resident: Oh I think I understand
    Rue Moonwall: Well Calvino, you have to have a quiet enviroment,
    Calvino Rabeni: Only as a starting point
    Rue Moonwall: control your internal chatter!
    Calvino Rabeni: its like clearing the table before starting a new project
    Rue Moonwall: Clear you mind, god can only live in a quiet mind
    oO0Oo Resident: Dr. Gabor Maté is really good in this area
    Rue Moonwall: The devil trives in chaos, noise, the devil feels at home in chaos
    Calvino Rabeni: Well I have to say there are a couple of notions that may not be really helpful in the long run, and one is that the mind has internal chatter, and the other is that the subconscious is full of suppressed chaos, and those are pretty close to the same idea as the idea that external reality is a blooming chaos until we intterpret it
    Rue Moonwall: Well calvino, there is the concious, THE SUBCONCIONS, and the unconcious, the subconcious is rith at the edge! the sub concious may be the door to the unconcious
    Rue Moonwall: The subconcious, right at the pehrifiral of concious and unconcious
    Calvino Rabeni: yeah
    Rue Moonwall: So focus on the sub concious periferal it may be the door to the unconcious
    Rue Moonwall: meditation
    oO0Oo Resident: there are many elements here: speed of society, trauma, neurosis, hyper-vigilance preventing relaxation, perhaps as result of Post trauma. If I understood druth correctly, also the sense of being in the stillness will bring us face to face with things, perhaps difficult to deal with
    Calvino Rabeni: nice survey 0
    Calvino Rabeni: that focuses on a kind of neurophilosophy perspective
    oO0Oo Resident: in some cases we cannot remember relaxation, because it is already constellated in our bodies
    oO0Oo Resident: that way
    oO0Oo Resident: not so much an immediate choice
    Calvino Rabeni: but I also have been finding the social construction perspective interesting lately ... maybe we can get to it another time ...
    oO0Oo Resident: but the way many modern societies are set up
    Rue Moonwall: You may have to find profecianal who know what his doing before you go into the unconcious, into the obiss, witch you may never come out off
    oO0Oo Resident: it is not conducive to relearn, relaxation
    Rue Moonwall: You may find your worse night mare in your unconcious, and if your not ready to handle it?
    Calvino Rabeni: tension and relaxation of the kind that matters is constellated outside immediate awareness
    oO0Oo Resident: better to make friends with it
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I feel the friendly regard and its terms are more helpful
    Calvino Rabeni: and not to be afraid of the "dark"
    Calvino Rabeni: or carry resentment about experiences such as "confusion"
    Rue Moonwall: Sure positive attittue, is much more healing
    Calvino Rabeni: We may be able to appreciate a state of "blessed confusion"
    Rue Moonwall: Scienctifically has been proven 100 of times, such as the placebo effect
    Ewan Bonham: Thank you so much...I must take my leave..
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye, thanks Ewan, see you later
    Ewan Bonham: Good night to you all..:)
    Rue Moonwall: night
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm AFK a while, calvino will be a zombie for some time, sorry :)
    Rue Moonwall: ha ha ha, energetic meditation!
    Rue Moonwall: night all,
    Rue Moonwall: take care,
    druth Vlodovic: I've lived with an abuse "survivor", it was interesting to see her healing progression
    druth Vlodovic: each positive step seemed to lead to more disaster
    druth Vlodovic: but after a bit it seemed to me that her subconscious was doling out the pain according to what it thought her present strength was
    druth Vlodovic: I wonder if this makes the darkness less inherently dangerous
    druth Vlodovic: as long as your internal instincts are good
    oO0Oo Resident: healing is a strong force in us
    oO0Oo Resident: it doesn't always take the shape we might expect
    druth Vlodovic: it seemed to help her when I mentioned this idea
    oO0Oo Resident: how was it living with the person druth?
    druth Vlodovic: awful :(
    druth Vlodovic: lol
    druth Vlodovic: it's hard not to be affected
    oO0Oo Resident: yes
    oO0Oo Resident: agreed
    oO0Oo Resident: one needs to be able to take care of oneself within that
    druth Vlodovic: one must always have an eye to their own strength, development, needs
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    druth Vlodovic: but thinking of that it means I don't have to be afraid of what I might find inside
    oO0Oo Resident: by doing so, others feel the sanity and support of that
    druth Vlodovic: though I worry sometimes what effect it might have on others while I'm delving
    oO0Oo Resident: maybe you need nither delve nor suppress, but allow to come up from the basement, whatever wishes to
    oO0Oo Resident: then offer it tea
    oO0Oo Resident: with gentleness to yourself, and your friend
    druth Vlodovic: better :)
    druth Vlodovic: "O" or "sam" I can't help thiking of you as "oooh!" :)
    oO0Oo Resident: lol OK no problem
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    druth Vlodovic: what does te name mean?
    oO0Oo Resident: Samúð is Icelandic for 'empathy', sometimes 'compassion', and oO0Oo is whatever you want it to mean lol
    oO0Oo Resident: a nice shape?
    oO0Oo Resident: a blank slate?
    druth Vlodovic: an expression of wonder :)
    oO0Oo Resident bows head and feels graced
    druth Vlodovic: lol, I almost asked you where you're from, I haven't decided yet if that is a moral thing to so in sl
    oO0Oo Resident: see my profile
    druth Vlodovic: ah yes
    oO0Oo Resident: hi paradise
    druth Vlodovic: to the person I ask it is a matter of them saying "yes" or "no"
    druth Vlodovic: hi paradise
    druth Vlodovic: but to SL it seems a reduction of it's potential to do without preconception
    Paradise Tennant: hiya druth 00000 cal arch :)) happy new year all :)
    druth Vlodovic: happy new year :)
    oO0Oo Resident: to ask these questions is to show a moral sensibility
    oO0Oo Resident: happy new year Para
    Paradise Tennant: listens
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    druth Vlodovic: aww, I was hoping for another opinion
    Paradise Tennant: preconception ....??
    druth Vlodovic: is asking for a person's point of origin doing violence to SL's potential do circumvent preconception?
    Paradise Tennant: ahh where they live
    Paradise Tennant: hmm no
    druth Vlodovic: no?
    Paradise Tennant: well it is so general
    Paradise Tennant: that it would be hard to have preconception unless one is harbouring courtry based biasis ?
    Paradise Tennant: hard to make a connection knowing absolutely knowing about the individual's origin
    Paradise Tennant: do you not think ?
    druth Vlodovic: I like the word "heuristics", harder to spell, but emotionally neutral
    Paradise Tennant: smiles there are so many great words that do not get used very often :)_
    druth Vlodovic: but if you "talk" here, I know what you tell me
    druth Vlodovic: and I know how you present yourself
    druth Vlodovic: is that not enough to start a connection?
    Paradise Tennant: yes the choices people make appearance, behaviour are very telling indeed :)
    Paradise Tennant: well handy to know the time zone :)
    Paradise Tennant: what I like about sl is it gives you little tastes of the world
    druth Vlodovic: yes, that makes it interesting to know where people are from
    Paradise Tennant: I have friend in cairo when the air conditioning in his office breaks down it can go to 120 in the building they do not think much of that :) i would :)
    Paradise Tennant: another in new delhi
    Paradise Tennant: wakes up to roosters crowing
    Paradise Tennant: dogs barking
    Paradise Tennant: another in berlin :) smiles and a firm conviction they have the best coffee in the world :)
    druth Vlodovic: lol
    druth Vlodovic: have to ask her to send you some :)
    Paradise Tennant: all engaging day to day minutaie of life . that are connective that you do not get if you don't venture into that more personal territory
    Paradise Tennant: preconception is something you can wean yourself form
    Paradise Tennant: from
    Paradise Tennant: do predictive analysis for a living ..
    Paradise Tennant: start every job .. with a blank page
    Paradise Tennant: three columns what I need to know what I think i know and what I really know
    Paradise Tennant: do that regularly and you quickly come to the conclusion that you never really know much :))
    oO0Oo Resident: thx for the model/tool para. Interesting.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    druth Vlodovic: I find it odd how easy it is to understand people of diverse backgrounds
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: smiles a very big smiles :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes!
    Paradise Tennant: we are not so diverse :) I suspect
    Paradise Tennant: all the perceived differences are very superficial
    druth Vlodovic: all humans at some level
    Paradise Tennant: male female
    Paradise Tennant: old young
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: in the deerper layers all made of the same stuff .. which I think goes for all sentient life really
    oO0Oo Resident: Yes, Cal said something interesting about this if I can remember... You there Cal?
    oO0Oo Resident fids silent farewells
    Paradise Tennant: good nite 00000 :) namaste :)
    Paradise Tennant: what I find interesting .. is how fast you can connect with some people
    Paradise Tennant: you know it feels like you have known them a very very long time and you have just met :)
    druth Vlodovic: yes, it's not always length of association that counts
    druth Vlodovic: and it sems to be established very early when you meet someone how close you will get
    Paradise Tennant: openess .. affinity ..similarities .. honesty .. :) yes
    Paradise Tennant: yes you either click or you do not
    Paradise Tennant: takes a lot more work to connect with people where you do not hear the click
    Paradise Tennant: but often very worthwhile
    Paradise Tennant: too
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Paradise :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles sometimes our preconceptions can get in the way of the connections
    druth Vlodovic: yes, instinct is good, but not an absolute method
    Paradise Tennant: hiya cal happy new year :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks!
    druth Vlodovic: wb cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni is now having a back-in-out-of-body experience
    Calvino Rabeni: Long session :)
    druth Vlodovic: a friend mentioned that he will meet people who he would meet in rl, but not really make friends with, but meet similar people in sl and be close
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and listens :)
    Paradise Tennant: talked for two hours tonight with a very long time friend we have not spoken in months but .. it was so easy we just picked up where we left off .. smiles the lovely thing about friendship it does not need constant attention once it has roots :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it picks up where it left off, feeling like it is outside the familiar time line
    Paradise Tennant: hmmm yes outside of time :)
    Paradise Tennant: like there is somekind of internal thread that binds ..without being subject to time :)
    Paradise Tennant: what I really like about human interreaction are the surprises :)
    Paradise Tennant: the times when you go wow!
    Paradise Tennant: sorry seldom this chatty this late in the day .. just in from a nice long run and had such a lovely lazy day .... perfect way to start a new year :)
    druth Vlodovic: I like you chatty helps me listen lol
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: sweet :)
    Paradise Tennant: usually this sessions are at the end of my day .. so always kind of at low ebb :)
    Calvino Rabeni: a rare pleasure :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm reflecting on your idea ... things I really like about human interaction
    Paradise Tennant: laughter ?
    Paradise Tennant: learning ?
    druth Vlodovic: I find a kind of deep emotion that lasts long after
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I do too, and trying to notice what sparks or allows it to come in
    Paradise Tennant: well like a shared chemistry .. sort of reactions :))
    Calvino Rabeni: It's contact with creativity and intelligence, where people come together and find new energy passing between them, such that the result is bigger than each of them put together
    druth Vlodovic: I think it is good if you can relax, if there is any sort of defensive feeling towards somone it kind of blocks it
    Calvino Rabeni: Which is a subtle chemistry
    Paradise Tennant: synergy
    Paradise Tennant: stepping out of bounds :)
    Calvino Rabeni: and yes, bigger than personal or emotional
    Paradise Tennant: our self imposed bounds
    Calvino Rabeni: things are inspiring, new possibilities come into existence
    Calvino Rabeni: or are "remembered"
    Paradise Tennant: swears they just float in the air around us waiting to get in
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a "learning" aspect to it, but it's not factual, more like an expansion in conscious capability
    Calvino Rabeni: and I call it learning because it seems to be able to persist and change things a little
    Calvino Rabeni: but some people call it "transmission" in some traditions
    druth Vlodovic: I like transmission, it is kind of effortless, natural
    Calvino Rabeni: Something moving "through us" is what that word connotes
    Paradise Tennant: smile looks for our antennae :)
    Calvino Rabeni smiles at Paradise, one of his "antennae"
    Calvino Rabeni: I also like more naturalistic metaphors, less "electronic" like, we're all trees with roots in the same soil and drinking from the same ground water
    druth Vlodovic: it was fun, catch you later
    Calvino Rabeni waves at druth
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)
    Paradise Tennant: also we are not really that sollid it is very very natural for things to move through us :)
    Paradise Tennant: bye druth
    Calvino Rabeni: Having an awareness of the particulars is helpful
    Paradise Tennant: listens
    Calvino Rabeni: allowing practice
    Calvino Rabeni: but holding open the idea that things come through us, whether we are aware of them or not
    Calvino Rabeni: also seems useful, even though in practice one is one step removed
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: for instance one meets someone new
    Paradise Tennant: practice centers you
    Calvino Rabeni: or even an old friend, but they are different each time
    Paradise Tennant: but you still need to stay open
    Paradise Tennant: hmm yes
    Calvino Rabeni: sometimes more open, and having learned new things
    Paradise Tennant: every moment changing
    Calvino Rabeni: one doesn't know what it is exactly
    Calvino Rabeni: but has a sense of it
    Calvino Rabeni: something is in the air
    Calvino Rabeni: and
    Calvino Rabeni: it gets negotiated within the relationship as it unfolds in the moment
    Calvino Rabeni: there may be some familiar and known qualities
    Paradise Tennant: it is a bit like the symbol for tao .. a bit of each is in each
    Calvino Rabeni: like I know someone will be enthusiastic, or will be able to "hold" my rigidities with a light touch and help me achieve the same myself
    Calvino Rabeni: so one can be alert to those partly-known phenomena
    Calvino Rabeni: but also alert to something more completely new
    Paradise Tennant: smiles we must be like the grass .. very bendy :))
    Calvino Rabeni: perhaps by cultivating a more general openess and responsiveness
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, grass is a nice image of flexible and responsive
    Paradise Tennant: yes being open ..giving full attention
    Paradise Tennant: I find I try to breathe in the person :) or the idea
    Paradise Tennant: or the logic
    Calvino Rabeni: full attention to the full unfolding relationship which is beyond "internal" and "external" or includes them both
    Calvino Rabeni: yes breathing it in, or dancing with it, or in some other way being moved by it
    Archmage Atlantis: If theother is a person, one can onu breithe a that person allows
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at arch :) wb :)
    Calvino Rabeni: That's tough sometimes
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Archmage Atlantis: ty, I suppose it was obvious I was f0gged out
    Paradise Tennant: I think we all want to breathed in :))
    Paradise Tennant: if you are wholly open .. there are few who do not want to be in some way connected :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Breathing-with is lovely experience
    Archmage Atlantis: The other advantige of age.
    Calvino Rabeni: But there are times when you don't have a reciprocal relationship, not on the same energetic level
    Paradise Tennant: hmm well
    Calvino Rabeni: Hopefully an older person can remember and reenter some of the experience of being young
    Paradise Tennant: not so sure .. usually if I find I am not connecting well with someone ... I always look to me .. well being buddhist .. it is sort of ahh I am not projecting this person well today :))
    Ariadne DeSantis: Hello
    Paradise Tennant: hiya ariadne welcome
    Paradise Tennant: let me give you a notecard :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: Thank you
    Paradise Tennant: these chat sessions are recorded and put on a wiki page ..are you ok with your comments being included :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: okay
    Paradise Tennant: we were talking about what we loved best about human interreaction :))
    Paradise Tennant: deciding that it is almost as so there is some connective movement that just kind of slides through :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: communication shows ideas that seem new to me, sometimes connected with a feeling of joy
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: learning synergy .. building a deeper bigger pool of understanding :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Did you tell Ariadne what we were discussing, or did it just spontaneously happen that A spoke to the exact idea?
    Paradise Tennant: hmnmm have decided to end a perfect day with a gingerale vannilla float .. that touches perfection :) so easy to share joy .. share pain .. share pleasure .. almost as though we are connective fibers
    Calvino Rabeni: Well in way, a word for the topic was sanga
    Paradise Tennant: yes !
    Paradise Tennant: seeking sanga
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, what happens when people get together in a certain way
    Paradise Tennant: there is a santity .. a sanity to sharing sanga .. oooo too many ss :)
    Paradise Tennant: * sanctity
    Calvino Rabeni: nods enthusiastically
    Calvino Rabeni: This has been a long session - 3.5 hours and a good one too .. I'll be interested to re-read the log
    Paradise Tennant: smiles :) wow that is a long session :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Ariadne do yousee Paradise as a cloud or an avatar?
    Ariadne DeSantis: all are perfectly rendered
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: since I returned from the crash I see the familar pulsing cloud
    Paradise Tennant: smiles :) cloud or avatra same mix of pixels/molecules :)
    Calvino Rabeni: These meetings are self-organizing in a mysterious fashion
    Paradise Tennant: life is mysterious :)
    Calvino Rabeni: early in the session we were talking about the re-entry from the meditation, and how things were reassembled into solidity
    Calvino Rabeni: and I was considering some simple way to re-enter with less solidity
    Paradise Tennant: occassionally there are glimpses ..every once in a while where you get to see how it is all woven together .. before it melds into solidity
    Calvino Rabeni: yet still function
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: by looking at the second life image in a different way
    Paradise Tennant: yep have to function :)
    Calvino Rabeni: It (the snapshot I sent) gives a feeling a little like the artist Alex Grey
    Calvino Rabeni: (or is it spelled Gray)
    Calvino Rabeni: who draws human bodies as if transparent energy bodies
    Paradise Tennant: yes it is lovely
    Calvino Rabeni: that things can pass through
    Calvino Rabeni: as you mentioned earlier Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: who builds landscapes with numbers :) in venice I walked by an art shop window and was struck dead in my tracks with a picture and immediately wanted to buy it .. only to notice later it was constructed all of numbers :)
    Paradise Tennant: what lovely idea too
    Paradise Tennant: we are energy fields
    Paradise Tennant: if you are feeling upbeat you can walk into a room and raise the energy
    Paradise Tennant: with your mere presence
    Paradise Tennant: believe you can do that with or without your physical body
    Calvino Rabeni: Its presence though that moves people physically
    Ariadne DeSantis: many mathematical models yield pleasing imagery as - among others - native tribes have discovered
    Paradise Tennant: it is a kenetic force beyond physical presence
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe not, I think
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at ariadne
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: but certainly, one we aren't usually aware of
    Paradise Tennant: well we are not here physically
    Calvino Rabeni: a mode of action
    Calvino Rabeni: that's true, Paradise, if "physically" is defined in a narrow sense
    Ariadne DeSantis: logs out of RL in sleep only
    Calvino Rabeni: but there are interesting in-between definitional realms
    Paradise Tennant: wonders if maybe our dreams are the reality and this is fiction :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: there are lucid dreams
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, like this one :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: I wonder how lucid one can become
    Ariadne DeSantis: anyway, it seems not up to me to decide whether to become lucid ... sometimes it happens
    Paradise Tennant: hmm yes
    Paradise Tennant: can sometimes see waves of events that just roll through us ..
    Paradise Tennant: like we are water molecules being pulled by a moon :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: sometimes we are aware of the dream being a dream, and sometimes not
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. always think of dreams as gifts
    Paradise Tennant: the ones I can remember always seem that to me
    Ariadne DeSantis: some dreams are personally significant, especially now in the "rough nights" till Jan 6
    Paradise Tennant: what are rough nites
    Ariadne DeSantis: a Germanic tradition - let me find the notecard of the lecture I held in Spirit Mountain ...
    Paradise Tennant: do you study dream ariadne :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: yes, I'm doing dream yoga in the tradition of Namkhai Norbu -
    Paradise Tennant: wow
    Paradise Tennant: can I tell you a dream :) I had just a few days ago :) that has not left me :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: I'm in the "long stretch of patience" now, after initial successes
    Ariadne DeSantis: nothing against it
    Paradise Tennant: what kind of initial successes
    Ariadne DeSantis: becoming lucid
    Calvino Rabeni: Have you met (or I think it would be nice for you to meet) Lucinda Lavender, who does a dream circle in this area?
    Paradise Tennant: so dreaming while knowing you are dreaming and able to direct your dream
    Paradise Tennant: you will love lucinda ariadne ..she is wonderful
    Ariadne DeSantis: yes, that's the lucid state
    Ariadne DeSantis: I was once in the Society of Lucid Dreamin in SL, but that is now defunct, I think
    Calvino Rabeni: If I could direct my dream, I hope it would still have the ability to surpise me with the unexpected
    Ariadne DeSantis: thinks it will ^^
    Calvino Rabeni: What's the rationale for why lucid dreaming is a good idea?
    Paradise Tennant: likes surprises too :) they speak to the immediacy of life ..
    Calvino Rabeni: Other than "it would be cool to explore"
    Ariadne DeSantis: becoming aware, seeing through illusions, self-work ... call it what you will
    Calvino Rabeni: So as a source of information and insight useful for "self work"
    Ariadne DeSantis: I like the pauses very much ^^
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at ariadne :)
    Calvino Rabeni: That's great :)
    Paradise Tennant: they are very very useful
    Calvino Rabeni: Some visitors just ignore them :)
    Calvino Rabeni: As do I at times
    Calvino Rabeni: if I happen to get too excited
    Paradise Tennant: even though sometimes it is easy to get carried away with a thought and keep typing
    Calvino Rabeni: but I like the discipline of it
    Calvino Rabeni: and find it useful
    Paradise Tennant: nods
    Ariadne DeSantis: well, thers's always telepathy (IM)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: Right, I consider that cheating
    Ariadne DeSantis: tee hee
    Calvino Rabeni: Although I yield to temptation
    Ariadne DeSantis: laughs
    Calvino Rabeni: It's like, there was some talk months ago about the idea of a "day of silence" at a RL retreat
    Calvino Rabeni: and the question came up
    Calvino Rabeni: can you surf the web, as long as you don't talk to anyone?
    Paradise Tennant: my favourite day of the retreats is the silent day
    Calvino Rabeni: Which I found amusing
    Calvino Rabeni: Or listen to music, watch youtube
    Calvino Rabeni: etc.
    Paradise Tennant: it is an old tradition
    Paradise Tennant: same thing as not working on the sabbath
    Calvino Rabeni: so it was worthwhile to talk about the intent behind it
    Paradise Tennant: maintaining a time frame where you contemplated the divine
    Calvino Rabeni: or the objective of it, not the form
    Ariadne DeSantis: when we allow ourselves to wake up somewhat form the day-to-day dream
    Paradise Tennant: mm you know .. this is likely the dreaming part .. because here there is time :)
    Paradise Tennant: in our dreams .. time is not so fixed
    Paradise Tennant: more fluid
    Paradise Tennant: or not there
    Ariadne DeSantis: found the transcript of the lecture
    Paradise Tennant: looks interesting ..thank you :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't see what you see, Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: ? are you looking at the transcript ?
    Ariadne DeSantis: sorry for the late delivery
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh it only just appeared, now I am
    Paradise Tennant: smiles is it ok to drop a copy .. in lucinda's inventory ..ariadne she would like this
    Ariadne DeSantis: lecture has been shared with Lucinda Lavender
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at ariadne
    Paradise Tennant: so a dream on a specific date yield a perspective on parts of the upcoming year ?
    Ariadne DeSantis: yes, it happened once to me to dream of a person I had not met or thought of for more than 10 years - and I met that person that year
    Ariadne DeSantis: during an event I could not have foreseen
    Paradise Tennant: so a glimpse of the future
    Ariadne DeSantis: skeptics might say coincidence - but to me it was a real surprise
    Paradise Tennant: hmm well sometimes the things that move through us are not time linked )
    Ariadne DeSantis: please elaborate
    Paradise Tennant: like a current of connection understanding .. emotion .. energy that does not pay mind to a calendar
    Ariadne DeSantis: like sympathy?
    Paradise Tennant: like we are threads in a tapestry
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: sympathy moves from one to another
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and joy
    Paradise Tennant: and sorrow
    Ariadne DeSantis: I feel it more like a resonance - sympathy meaning "same emotion"
    Paradise Tennant: and love .. laughter .. anger .. echos resonance .. reverberation .. maybe almost like music
    Ariadne DeSantis: ok
    Ariadne DeSantis: harmony
    Paradise Tennant: flow
    Paradise Tennant: that is the word I use most
    Paradise Tennant: I try to get into the flow of a situation
    Paradise Tennant: problem to be worked
    Paradise Tennant: task
    Paradise Tennant: even the most mundane things
    Ariadne DeSantis: "the zone"
    Paradise Tennant: repeatitive cleaning ..etch
    Paradise Tennant: have a flow
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: and moving in that flow makes it ohhhhhh so much easier
    Paradise Tennant: so if i walk into a room with others I will try to centre and find the flow
    Archmage Atlantis: Listen, and thee shall hear Think, and teee shall know Fall asleep at one's desk And thee shall be pink in the fae
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Ariadne DeSantis: ^^
    Archmage Atlantis: Wow, 2x in one 24 hr period
    Archmage Atlantis: brb
    Archmage Atlantis: maybe
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at arch
    Paradise Tennant: and waves
    Paradise Tennant: smiles now I feel the flow angling towards my bed :) thank you both for the convesation the company the sharing ;)
    Ariadne DeSantis: good night, Paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: Dream well, Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: so glad you could join us ariadne ...hope to see you again soon
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Paradise Tennant: thank you cal .. and you dream well :)
    Ariadne DeSantis: I hope so
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll go too ... I some distractions to attend to :))
    Ariadne DeSantis: morning here in RL, the day begins, bye Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care, Ariadne

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