2011.01.02 01:00 - Enjoing the Release of Just Being

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Korel Laloix: osiyo
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello
    Korel Laloix: Freud's new AV I am.
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah
    Pema Pera: hi Arch, Korel, Kit!
    Kit Ciaco: Hey!
    Korel Laloix: heya
    Archmage Atlantis: Your highness
    Pema Pera: any particular topic that anybody would like to talk about today?
    Archmage Atlantis: The future of PaB......though that doesn't fit
    Kit Ciaco: I have a thought
    Kit Ciaco: oh, sorry
    Archmage Atlantis: Kit, ty, that is exactly the future
    Pema Pera: the future of PaB is totally openended -- but we can of course talk about that, sure :-)
    Pema Pera: and Kit, what did you think about?
    Kit Ciaco: LOL, AA
    Kit Ciaco: Well, I've been bothered about something about myself since I came here yesterday
    Kit Ciaco: I feel I owe folks here a bit of an apology
    Korel Laloix: OK
    Pema Pera: in what way, Kit?
    Kit Ciaco: I think I am at odds in a way - with the conversastion we had re analysis
    Kit Ciaco: I was an analyst much of my life
    Kit Ciaco: and enjoyed it
    Kit Ciaco: but as I have gotten older I have become much less so - more oh, what's the word??? intuitive without thinking so much about it?
    Kit Ciaco: more open to what is and not too interested in what makes it so
    Kit Ciaco: and I feel I was impatient with others on a different path
    Kit Ciaco: and this has disturbed me throughout the day
    Pema Pera: it's very nice to be so sensitive, Kit
    Korel Laloix: How were you impatient?
    Kit Ciaco: I don't think I was rude operationally
    Kit Ciaco: But I felt impatient
    Kit Ciaco: and ashamed at my impatience
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning
    Kit Ciaco: I felt almost flippant.... because humor has become very much my core

    I think we all recognized what Kit was trying to express, and I was impressed with him doing so.

    Pema Pera: a sign of learning more is to become more and more ashamed, I think . . .
    Kit Ciaco: and explainations not so critical to me anymore
    Kit Ciaco: I wonder
    Pema Pera: hi Yaku!
    Pema Pera: the more we open up and sensitize, the more we see, including things we don't like -- about ourselves and others
    Archmage Atlantis: Morning, or midda, or afternoon, or midnight Yau
    Archmage Atlantis: *Yaku
    Kit Ciaco: Yes. I just don't want to be offensive
    Pema Pera: and the challenge is to accept all that -- both in ourselves and others
    Kit Ciaco: especially on my first visit, for goodness sakes!
    Pema Pera: yes, I appreciate that, Kit -- I feel very similar
    Pema Pera: hi O !
    Kit Ciaco: Yes - I like learning from the paths others are on
    Pema Pera: every day there are so many things that I feel ashamed of, to some extent
    Pema Pera: wondering whether I will ever learn :-)

    Kit then provided the inspiration for the title of this session:

    Kit Ciaco: I think after years of having to THINK and ANALYZE I have just enjoyed the release of just being....
    Kit Ciaco: if that makes any sense
    Pema Pera: at the same time I'm grateful to be able to learn more
    Pema Pera: it does!
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, it makes total sense to me, Kit
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sam
    Kit Ciaco: Thanks
    oO0Oo Resident: hey everybody
    Archmage Atlantis: Hiya O

    Kit brought up a crucial question:

    Kit Ciaco: So - in a broader way - I was wondering - how do we feel and engage authentically without sacrificing other values
    Pema Pera: it is paradoxical, but the challenge is to both accept ourselves and also to be ready to change -- in terms of dropping what is no longer needed
    Kit Ciaco: that's what I'm saying
    Kit Ciaco: for myself, I really have let go of wanting to learn some of the things I wanted to learn years ago
    Pema Pera: what we feel ashamed about are add-ons, that once felt necessary to protect ourselves
    Kit Ciaco: and being more interested in compassion and just being
    Kit Ciaco: respect and honor
    Kit Ciaco: but not so much analyyzing it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Archmage Atlantis: If I may offer a differing thought, one does not have to drop who one is to proceed on a different path
    Kit Ciaco: BUT! The group seems very scientific based - so I'm wanting to explore my potential place in it
    Kit Ciaco: AA - I absolutely agree with you!
    Kit Ciaco: Thanks
    Qt Core: hi all
    Pema Pera: hi Qt!
    Pema Pera: if scientific means openminded and willing to experiment, yes, then we are scientific :-)
    Qt Core: the science or the art of being ? Interesting dilemma :-)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: the art of science
    Pema Pera: hi Calvino!
    Qt Core: art of science = Leonardo da Vinci in my opinion
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone
    Qt Core: hi Cal
    Pema Pera: btw, I haven't posted the log of the last session, but it seems like some of you went on for more than four hours!
    Archmage Atlantis: I respect Leonardo
    Calvino Rabeni: it was long
    Pema Pera: (I'll post it soon)
    Calvino Rabeni: a good session
    Calvino Rabeni: I have photos to add
    Kit Ciaco: I agree!
    oO0Oo Resident: guilty
    Pema Pera: thanks, Cal!
    Kit Ciaco: I may be wriggling around in semantics - I do that sometimes, I'm told
    Pema Pera: I remember one occasion where one session spilled over into the next -- perhaps that happened only one time :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: No, I've been to maybe 3 that passed the 6 hour mark

    I hadn't realized there had been several other ones that long!

    Pema Pera: in what way, Kit?
    Archmage Atlantis: Semantics is just a way to say
    Qt Core: wondering about its topic[s]
    Pema Pera: wow, Calvino, three !?! recently?
    Kit Ciaco: Well, you are so correct - about science being about quest
    Kit Ciaco: and so is spirit
    Kit Ciaco: so at some level they may actually be very much the same
    Archmage Atlantis: * I don't unerstand*
    Kit Ciaco: The searching
    Kit Ciaco: I think my quest has taken me from high language and led me more to laughter
    Kit Ciaco: less words, more music
    Pema Pera: what I think is special about science is that you get browny points both for coming up with an interesting new idea and for shooting down an interesting new idea -- it is bipartisan, progressive and conservative at the same time
    Kit Ciaco: I'm really not making as much sense, but somehow I'm feeling more clarity inside
    Pema Pera: oh, you do, Kit :)
    Kit Ciaco: I love that, pema
    Pema Pera: including shooting down your own ideas :-)
    Kit Ciaco: Thanks - well, I don't want to monopolize - I just wondered what others thought about it
    Archmage Atlantis: You are still into brownie points, Pema?
    Kit Ciaco: LOL! I shoot down my own ideas all the time!
    Kit Ciaco: My favorite quote is Richard Bach - "Everything in this book may be wrong."
    Calvino Rabeni: Mine just crash of their own weight
    Pema Pera: :)
    Kit Ciaco: hehehehe, Calvino!
    Archmage Atlantis: To me. that is am absolutist point, Kit
    Kit Ciaco: I don't know what that means AA
    Archmage Atlantis: To me, there is no one right theory
    Kit Ciaco: oh, yes, absolutely!! Oh. (blushing) yes, I see....
    Archmage Atlantis: Only the the theory that applies with the data at hand
    Calvino Rabeni - Excuse me, I have something to attend to
    Calvino Rabeni: bye :)
    Pema Pera: bye Cal !
    Qt Core: bye Cal
    Archmage Atlantis: where is that dang bell
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye cal
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye Calvin

    I was curious to hear more about Kit's change of perspective.

    Pema Pera: Kit, was there anything that changed your orientation, or did it happen gradually?
    Kit Ciaco: Let me think..... it was gradual
    Kit Ciaco: I was a college instructor for years
    Kit Ciaco: and I noticed I became increasingly less fascinated by "facts" and theories and more enamoured with style and gray areas
    Korel Laloix: I saw that a lot in my uncdergrad professors.
    Kit Ciaco: I think, though, that it depends on what area we're talking about - for example, in hard science I WANT the facts and theories
    Pema Pera: oh sure, there is nothing wrong with facts
    Kit Ciaco: but in softer science, like my field, and in arts, mI'm more interested in the nuances and not so interested in the analysis
    Claire Maskelyne: Hello, everyone.
    Pema Pera: hi Claire!
    Kit Ciaco: hi!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello claire
    oO0Oo Resident: hi claire
    Qt Core: hi Claire
    Korel Laloix: bozho
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, C;aire
    Pema Pera: every area of study has its own logic, its own set of "facts" or "phenomena" that are central
    Pema Pera: which is what makes interdisciiplinary collaborations so much fun, and also often exasperating :)
    Pema Pera: hi Tallin!
    Archmage Atlantis: *No polite way to avoid mispelling a nam8
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bert :)
    Pema Pera: ah, okay!
    Claire Maskelyne sighs. 'From the popular literature I'v been reading, I would think the scientific fields have become more venomous.'
    Tallin Dezno: title yellow bertram
    Pema Pera 's head is spinning with all those new alts . . .

    Perhaps I should make a cheatsheet :)

    Kit Ciaco: fascinating, Claire!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Tallin. nice to meet you
    Tallin Dezno: ty ... :-)
    Claire Maskelyne: Hello, Talin.
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi tallin
    Korel Laloix: What do you mean by venomous?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yeah. come home Pema
    Claire Maskelyne: Specifically, the division of 'hard' and 'soft' sciences, and Dawkins introducing a period of particularly angry and short-sighted scientific materialism.
    Kit Ciaco: Claire, you've hit the nail on the head
    Archmage Atlantis: If it was proposed as an idea without agenda, then it's k
    Korel Laloix: OK.. Scientific Materialism?
    Claire Maskelyne: I feel like I've noticed something in the recent years where there's this incredible bile permeating the realms of physics and neuroscience, in particular.
    Archmage Atlantis: Problem with humans is agendas
    Kit Ciaco: I mean - my wrestling has been about my impatience with ideologies and isms
    Kit Ciaco: I've become more focused on simple compassion - which has alot of fascinating forms and styles
    Claire Maskelyne: Scientific materialism... want to explain that, Pema?
    Pema Pera: who, me?
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera looking left and right
    Archmage Atlantis: Yea, you......you started this forum
    Pema Pera: what would you like to hear about that, Claire?
    Claire Maskelyne: What is your explanation of scientific materilism? Because at this moment I'm too angry to formulate an unbiased definition.
    Korel Laloix: biased answers are typically more honest. so I prefer those sometimes.
    Pema Pera: anything can be taken in a materialist way -- Trungpa wrote a book titled "spiritual materialism"
    oO0Oo Resident mental not: Thank Pema for starting forum I hang out in so much
    Archmage Atlantis: May I make a suggestion?
    oO0Oo Resident: oops
    Pema Pera: any time, Arch, including making suggestions to make a suggestion :)
    Archmage Atlantis: ever trust a cat not to have an agenda, and no, that wasn't the response
    Tallin Dezno: what is bad with agendas - especially when they are not "too fixed" ?
    Claire Maskelyne: Scientific materialism, at its heart, is the contention that all things in the universe have their origin in physical processes.
    Archmage Atlantis: [01:39] Claire Maskelyne: I feel like I've noticed something in the recent years where there's this incredible bile permeating the realms of physics and neuroscience, in particular.
    Archmage Atlantis: That is part of the process
    Tallin Dezno: one can be lost in science ...
    Archmage Atlantis: If we don't feel it, we don't care
    Pema Pera: yes, that can create serious problems, Claire, such a narrow view
    Claire Maskelyne: Somewhere along the way, this started to boil down to 'there is no God, there is no basis for anything in the realm of the paranormal, there is no afterlife, there is no free will, deal with it'.
    Pema Pera: people tend to want to simplify their understanding, and that creates "isms" of many kinds . . .
    Claire Maskelyne: And this, it seems, kicked off an angry ideological war that split people in the scientific world apart.
    Pema Pera: any ism is a place for a mistaken kind of shelter

    Alas, time for me to take off.

    Pema Pera: btw, I'll have to leave in a couple minutes -- dinner appointment
    Tallin Dezno: but when one knows that one doesn´t really know , one is protected . so do i feel al least
    Kit Ciaco: Aren't "isms" a kind of stereotypical shorthand of sorts?
    Kit Ciaco: Agreed, Tallin! There is great refuge in unnknowing....
    Pema Pera: sure, and they are only problematic if you believe in them to the exclusion of other ides
    Tallin Dezno: i´m happy that i met you again since quite a long time pema - have a nice 2011 ! :-)
    Pema Pera: thanks, Tallin, u 2 !
    Claire Maskelyne: Suddenly, everyone had to take sides in the debate, and when people had to take sides in the mistaken dichotomy of religion-versus-atheism that shouldn't even be there in the first place, scientists everywhere started to adopt the new expedient of making up their minds about what was true about the universe, and pushing all of their innovations towards explaining a universe with or without God.
    Qt Core: bye Pema, have fun
    Pema Pera: nice to see you all again -- take care!
    Archmage Atlantis: Via con Dios, Pema
    Claire Maskelyne: Oh, goodbye, Pema...
    Claire Maskelyne: This wasn't helped by the publishing of The God Delusion, which... well... let's just say that Dawkins is attacking a straw man in the book that barely exists.
    Archmage Atlantis: Does your job or your livelihood require you accept what Dawkins says, Claire?
    Korel Laloix: Dawkins is good for a gigle though.
    Claire Maskelyne: No, it doesn't.
    Claire Maskelyne: But the way his ideas have gathered momentum makes me afraid.
    Archmage Atlantis: Good
    Claire Maskelyne: If that makes any sense.
    Archmage Atlantis: Create your own momentum........just don't expect immediate results
    Claire Maskelyne: Are you addressing me, Archmage?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Claire, and ty for asking
    Claire Maskelyne: And how would you propose I do such a thing?
    Archmage Atlantis: I have often gotten lost in conversations by not knowng to whom I was truely talkin
    Claire Maskelyne: Because thanks to the mentalities that have resulted from the creation of the false dualism that Dawkins espouses, everyone on either side of the debate now chooses to shut themselves deeply into their own way of thinking.
    Claire Maskelyne: I don't know of many people that would be converted by logic at a time like this.
    Kit Ciaco: That can be said of nearly any debate over any system of thought, I think....
    Archmage Atlantis: I would propose a bridge
    Kit Ciaco: a bridge! I like that!
    oO0Oo Resident: I like this Richard Feynman quote: “Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts”
    Kit Ciaco: LOL, Sam - and well put!
    Tallin Dezno giggles
    Claire Maskelyne: What 'experts' though?
    oO0Oo Resident: well I think it points to a need to clarify terms for sure
    Archmage Atlantis: expert. to me, it is any entity that thinks e knows the answer
    Tallin Dezno: in my mind occures : "i prefere being instead of asking - and that does not men, that i don´t ask. it only says : i prefere being instead of asking" ...
    oO0Oo Resident: really what the scientific method is and what it is not
    Tallin Dezno: mean*
    Kit Ciaco: In the social sciences we ran aground when we tried to apply the scientific method to humanity en masse
    Claire Maskelyne: That's the thing! It's not about a method anymore. It's a bunch of either/or philosophies that are becoming institutionalized.
    Kit Ciaco: Claire - I'm wondering - haven't we had this dynamic for centuries, though?
    Tallin Dezno: why care for institutions ? better focus on life quality. can be stronger
    Claire Maskelyne: I don't think it ever felt so pressing.
    Claire Maskelyne: I care for institutions because I don't want the athiest side of the argument to claim total scientific backing, to claim that they are inherently right.
    Kit Ciaco: Change begins at the individual level....
    Tallin Dezno: that´s it
    oO0Oo Resident: no one can steal another's epistemology, can they?
    Korel Laloix: Atheists are much easier to get good grades out of though....
    Claire Maskelyne: Good grades?
    Korel Laloix: College classes.
    Claire Maskelyne: How would you know?
    Tallin Dezno: i think, there is even no consensus about "what god is" (!) ... so already from that struggling about that is quite strange ...
    Archmage Atlantis: *chuckles* - time for making diner
    Korel Laloix: I think what you are describing is rather obvous to us students as wel.
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, hi Alfie
    Claire Maskelyne: And yet, that's exactly the flavor the debate takes.
    Tallin Dezno: bye arch - enjoy your meal :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: hello, pablings :)
    Tallin Dezno: and hi alf :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Good luck with this crowd
    Alfred Kelberry: tal :P
    Qt Core: Hi Alf
    Tallin Dezno: lol arch
    oO0Oo Resident: bye arch
    Kit Ciaco: lol
    Alfred Kelberry: good solid crowd :)
    Korel Laloix: lol
    oO0Oo Resident: solid ideas
    Alfred Kelberry: i was afraid it'd be empty at this hour
    Alfred Kelberry: i think it's yaku. he creates a comfy atsmophere :)
    oO0Oo Resident: now we're boxed in :)
    Tallin Dezno: it´s said : only beyond hope and fear freedom exists ... ;-)
    Kit Ciaco: And he's short. Does that make him a boxer short???
    oO0Oo Resident: how does yaku do that!?
    Kit Ciaco: oops,.... sorry
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not really
    Alfred Kelberry: beyond hope?
    Claire Maskelyne: I'm just very tired and upset right now.
    Kit Ciaco: Maybe the container of hope!
    Alfred Kelberry: upset? why, claire?
    Kit Ciaco: Claire, I really respect something you did tonight
    oO0Oo Resident: What might things look like if they were better Claire. May I ask?
    Tallin Dezno: and i´m also happy for your participation in this discussion round claire - ty !
    Tallin Dezno: even more : giving us so many impulses
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: what are you chewing, claire? :)
    Claire Maskelyne: What did Ido tonight?
    Claire Maskelyne: Oh, these are gummi bears.
    Tallin Dezno: (and alfi : yes, but beyond hope AND fear - that´s important) ... ;-)
    Kit Ciaco: You owned your anger - very clearly, very specifically - it's refreshing
    oO0Oo Resident: agreed
    Alfred Kelberry: beyond hope there's emptyness, i think
    Kit Ciaco: And I think purifying
    Alfred Kelberry: cute gammi bears :)
    Tallin Dezno: but an emptyness which contains everything alfi i think - like space for example
    Claire Maskelyne: If the world looked better, nobody would seek to impose their beliefs on the scientific field. They'd just quietly investigate ideas unrelated to religious or spiritual debate. They'd stop lumping everyone with any kind of non-materliast belief under the label of 'new-agers' and moreover stop villianizing the new age philosophical movement.
    Kit Ciaco: Yes - I see your point!
    oO0Oo Resident: tyvm
    Kit Ciaco: It seems every age has its own brand of "witches"
    Tallin Dezno: but i think, one can also be not so material minded without believing. and that is not so easy to attack (!) ... that´s a bit my disposition ...
    oO0Oo Resident: imposition, foisting. never felt good to me
    Claire Maskelyne: What do all of you believe?
    Tallin Dezno: for me, it´s like i tried to express : i tend more to "no belief" - but to say it at the same time : all including love is my guide ...
    Kit Ciaco: how much time do we have? LOL!
    Korel Laloix: Foisting?
    Alfred Kelberry: um, i have to go
    Alfred Kelberry: have fun folks
    Tallin Dezno: THAT was a short visit - bye alf !
    Korel Laloix: I looked it up.. .thanks.
    oO0Oo Resident: bye boxy
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye boxy
    Tallin Dezno: sam ? do you believe in something ?
    oO0Oo Resident: Ok Korel, wasn't sure if you were wanting a def, or explaination
    Korel Laloix: I can tell you one thing..... there are a lot of people in my generation that are angry about how science has been pliticized.
    Korel Laloix: And we see it..... and want to fix it... but I am nost sure there is a good roadmap on how to do it.
    Kit Ciaco: science has always been politicized
    Kit Ciaco: so has art and music, I'm afraid
    Kit Ciaco: and lit
    oO0Oo Resident: One thing I have come to believe, is that it feels worthwhile to learn about anger itself
    Korel Laloix: I agree.
    Kit Ciaco: most of the disciplines, I think
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to log out
    Korel Laloix: But the impression is it is worse now than ever.... correct or not.
    Kit Ciaco: Anger can be a great mobilizer, as long as it doesn't eat your lunch on the way to the mobilizing.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    oO0Oo Resident: take care yaku
    Korel Laloix: A feeling we can't trust scientist like we can't trust politicians.
    Korel Laloix: Ciao.
    Korel Laloix: It is sad.
    Korel Laloix: And makes me worry.
    Tallin Dezno: why do you call that "belief" sam ? isn´t it an insight from experience ? if so, i wouldn´t call that "belief" (always in a relative context)
    oO0Oo Resident: I also think the journey to trusting oneself is worthwhile and helpful in this regard
    Kit Ciaco: I've got to go see a fellow about some fish.
    Kit Ciaco: Talk with ya'll later!!!!
    Kit Ciaco: Thanks for a great discussion!
    oO0Oo Resident: take care Kit
    Kit Ciaco: ;)
    Qt Core: bye Kit and hi Barca
    Tallin Dezno: ty too kit !
    Tallin Dezno: and hi barca :-)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi all
    oO0Oo Resident: hi barca
    Barcalona Rhapsody: happy new year all
    Qt Core: ty and happy new year to you too
    Tallin Dezno: ty same same barca
    oO0Oo Resident: ty barca
    Barcalona Rhapsody: thnx
    Korel Laloix: OH.... the Nyquil is starting to hit....
    Korel Laloix: Back to sleep.
    Korel Laloix: Take care all.
    Tallin Dezno: bye korel
    oO0Oo Resident: bye Korel
    Qt Core: bye Korel
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye kor
    Tallin Dezno: oO0Oo Resident: One thing I have come to believe, is that it feels worthwhile to learn about anger itself
    Tallin Dezno: Tallin Dezno: why do you call that "belief" sam ? isn´t it an insight from experience ? if so, i wouldn´t call that "belief" (always in a relative context)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: nice said
    oO0Oo Resident: one thing I notice in myself, is when I am tired, I feel more daunted than say, in the morning when I have rested. It always amazes me how throughout my life this pattern is here with me every day
    oO0Oo Resident: yes tallin, perhaps more a discovery than belief
    Claire Maskelyne: Perhaps I should get some sleep...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: maybe
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or perhaps
    Tallin Dezno: i´m happy and thankful with all your company here - ty once more for it ! ...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: same to me
    Barcalona Rhapsody: the pleasure is mine
    Claire Maskelyne: Thank you, everyone. :)
    oO0Oo Resident: the things you've said Claire come across in many ways, and there is true spirit and longing there
    Claire Maskelyne: I'm not great right now, but I feel a little better.
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Claire
    Tallin Dezno: i felt and feel that your words and thoughts and your being are a real enrichement here claire ... so ty to you from ma side
    Claire Maskelyne: Oh, thank you.
    oO0Oo Resident: yes
    Claire Maskelyne: Good night, everyone.
    oO0Oo Resident: nigt clair, rest well
    Tallin Dezno: have a nice nite claire - hope to see you again
    Qt Core: 'night claire, sleep well
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sleep tight
    Barcalona Rhapsody: nice dreams
    Tallin Dezno: nice when the meetings here long 90 minutes and more ! ... ;-)
    oO0Oo Resident: this is a magical/awesome place
    Barcalona Rhapsody: timeless feeling
    Tallin Dezno: it´s a wonderful place with nice people, nice spirit ...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: when u r between brothers and sisters
    Tallin Dezno: pema put up a wonderful group ...
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Pema
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ty pema
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and we grow it further
    Tallin Dezno: agree :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: we foster our group
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its ying and yang
    Barcalona Rhapsody: strating and fostering
    Barcalona Rhapsody: starting
    oO0Oo Resident: PaB: foster, not foist
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Tallin Dezno: *giggle* yes
    oO0Oo Resident: well it's kind of limitless
    Barcalona Rhapsody: no limits in time and place
    oO0Oo Resident: and maybe that reminds us of our nature, I don't know
    Tallin Dezno: but i again and again notice : pema is real inspiring ... whether we find that "good" or not, in my eyes that is a fact ...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but we are the ones that are inspired or let us inspire
    Barcalona Rhapsody: because we wanna be inspired
    Tallin Dezno: to me the name of the group "play as being" already explains it all in a way.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: that is what attraccted me to this group
    oO0Oo Resident: subjects and objects dissolve into each other's arms
    Barcalona Rhapsody: it was all in the name
    Tallin Dezno: and yes barca. i agree again very much : without the group we wouldn´t be a group ! ;-)
    Qt Core: time to go, a nice session, bye all
    Tallin Dezno: bye qt ! *wave* ... :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: Qt, cheers
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and gracia a milano

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