2011.01.06 19:00 - Loss of Forgetfullness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. The comments are by Paradise, Sophia, stevenaia, and Calvino

    Paradise Tennant: hey sophia ..gtsy :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Paradise ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: gtsy too :)
    Paradise Tennant: how are you :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I thought for the longest time gtsy was a Canadian thing :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: until steve told me it was good to see you lol
    Paradise Tennant: well yeah kind of Canadian! eh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm good! you?
    Paradise Tennant: very well
    Paradise Tennant: drinking tea
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ohhh I see :)
    Paradise Tennant: happy to be still
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yea I hear you
    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve :) gtsy :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: evening
    stevenaia Michinaga: needed a break from work :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too :D
    stevenaia Michinaga: how are you?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how dedicated are you Steve :)
    Paradise Tennant: nice to have a place to escape too
    Paradise Tennant: like having a secret room
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: should use it more during the day :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: been meaning to read Edan's session log
    Paradise Tennant: really like reading the logs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: same here
    Paradise Tennant: there are some great conversation s
    Paradise Tennant: feeling very peace full lately for some reason
    Paradise Tennant: like all is well ..has always been well and always will be well :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lovely Paradise :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: here and in rl as well
    Paradise Tennant: smiles in rill and sly
    Paradise Tennant: rl mostly do not get in sl for very long
    Paradise Tennant: smiles think I am letting go a bit :) nice feeling
    SophiaSharon Larnia: for me either, these days :) Hi Calvino
    Paradise Tennant: hiya cal gtsy :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Hi everyone!
    stevenaia Michinaga: what is peaceful? no stress, a bright outlook?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: are you on fire Cal? :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: quiet and calm?
    Paradise Tennant: spacious
    Calvino Rabeni: I must be hot-headed tonight
    Paradise Tennant: would how I would describe it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D spacious seems to be an apt word for peaceful
    Paradise Tennant: listens
    stevenaia Michinaga: :), nothing impeding your view or sense of things?
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: in flow
    Paradise Tennant: hot headed cal ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: strange but I pictured that as your natural state :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: some days more than others:)
    Paradise Tennant: spacious is a kind of compelling word
    Paradise Tennant: it describes going beyond the confines of our selves our physical body our perceived and often self imposed mental and emotional constraints
    Paradise Tennant: free
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you stay in that spaciousness while considering the rest of the world?
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: just a broader .. view of the world
    Calvino Rabeni: It's not hard to see people running away from freedom either
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: Eric from wrote a great book on that escape from freedom
    Paradise Tennant: liked his art of loving best though .think that should be required reading for all humans
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.amazon.com/Art-Loving-Eri.../dp/0060915943
    SophiaSharon Larnia: makes a note , has a big gift card for Christmas here
    Paradise Tennant: I think it must be residue of the dream .. I had have had this feeling that nothing bad really happens we perceive certain things as bad but in reality they are just transition
    Paradise Tennant: you would love it
    Paradise Tennant: worth having to read and reread
    Calvino Rabeni: Quote
    Calvino Rabeni: Fromm describes what he calls the essential components that need to be mastered, for all forms of Love: Care (the active concern for the life and the growth of that which we love); Responsibility (to be able, willing and ready to respond to the psychic needs of the other); Respect (concern that the other person should grow and unfold as he/she is on their own, to be aware of her unique individuality - freedom); and Knowledge(a desire to discover what makes the other "tick," an active penetration of the other person).
    Calvino Rabeni: Unquote
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes something I would like to read, I ve been seeing lately were people fall in the cracks, health care wise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: where*
    Paradise Tennant: distressing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and my intervention is hopeless sometimes'
    stevenaia Michinaga: how distant is this from compassion, or just an essential beginning
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or at least, perceived that way atm
    Paradise Tennant: sophia is an excellent example of compassion in action
    Paradise Tennant: being moved to try to help
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha! I want to bang phones in peoples ears (not that I have, yet)
    Paradise Tennant: active concern for the life and growth of that which we love
    SophiaSharon Larnia: phones*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: part of warrior ship is controlling that thwarted child
    SophiaSharon Larnia: although I don’t know what I mean by that :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles our inner child is important
    Paradise Tennant: should never really grow up 100%
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes! I was thinking today, what does that child need, to not be so angry
    Paradise Tennant: more play
    SophiaSharon Larnia: idk
    Paradise Tennant: can I suggest a little late we breathe and think spacious big :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The child needs a certain type of contact with reality... the nature of which varies between different people I believe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I started thinking of the song by the who, I can see for miles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol'
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: I think our inner child has a different view of reality
    stevenaia Michinaga: even before the bell I was thinking the specialness of spaciousness is the ability to see around things... you view of the world is not blocked
    Paradise Tennant: kind of more elastic
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: not constrained
    stevenaia Michinaga: unconfined view
    Paradise Tennant: not concentrated
    Paradise Tennant: or ego driven
    Paradise Tennant: more a of let go perspective
    Paradise Tennant: less fear too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is a child very ego driven, I see a child as one where ego is blurred a bit
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, when older but very young
    Paradise Tennant: hmm always connect child with joy
    Paradise Tennant: expansive joy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: look my thwarted teenager :) ha-ha
    Calvino Rabeni: that sounds nice, but might not be the only / main ingredient in the recipe for how to create a great human being
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: how would you cook one cal :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: or how would you define great
    Calvino Rabeni: he he by providing a variety of different learning experiences, mostly successful
    Calvino Rabeni: so they learn to enjoy and fare well in many different ways
    Paradise Tennant: listens
    Calvino Rabeni: flexible, strong, resilient
    Calvino Rabeni: secure, adventurous
    Calvino Rabeni: humble, assertive
    Calvino Rabeni: loving and fierce
    Calvino Rabeni: wild and calm
    Calvino Rabeni: well focused, determined
    Calvino Rabeni: easygoing, accepting
    Calvino Rabeni: integrating many opposites
    Paradise Tennant: full spectrum
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: a child only thwarted and oppressed would either collapse or always be embattled
    Paradise Tennant: did flames just come out of your head cal ? :)
    Calvino Rabeni: one never challenged would never learn their own strength and will
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Paradise Tennant: or are my eyes blurry
    Calvino Rabeni: No, it is objectively present on this avatar
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Calvino Rabeni: If an avatar wears a mask, is it hiding?
    Paradise Tennant: hmmm
    Paradise Tennant: sort of do not believe in masks
    Paradise Tennant: whatever you present is some aspect of you
    Paradise Tennant: we are all just a whole lot bigger than we realize
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes some people I know collect them for what reason?
    Paradise Tennant: yes on my bedroom wall I have a collection of Tara masks
    Paradise Tennant: all beautiful serene
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very nice attachment Cal
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: oh wow
    Paradise Tennant: smiles laughing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very creative, and simple!
    Calvino Rabeni: it is
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes wow
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia wants to make one now :D
    Paradise Tennant: :) great toy !
    Calvino Rabeni: when people speak they reveal something for a short time
    Calvino Rabeni: then the mask comes back
    Calvino Rabeni: or so goes the art theory of this
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the flames have your avi picture on them too?
    Calvino Rabeni: it never made it into the art of being project
    Calvino Rabeni: yes they do
    SophiaSharon Larnia: kewl
    Paradise Tennant: your creation cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Paradise Tennant: would have been great in the art of being project
    Paradise Tennant: shall we think of masks ..dropping .. or embracing whatever aspect of ourseleve they represent ?
    Paradise Tennant: we talk of authentic presence or our real selves
    Calvino Rabeni: we do
    SophiaSharon Larnia: alot of my real self i don’t talk about here
    Calvino Rabeni: of course
    Paradise Tennant: I often wonder what that really means because for the most part .. we only capture a tiny bit of us in what we think of as me ..
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes so authenticity would also encompass the parts of self we don't capture
    Paradise Tennant: masks and all :))))))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: So that's why it can be surprising / confusing to people
    Calvino Rabeni: and they can't just "decide" to "be authentic"
    Calvino Rabeni: because they have no idea those non-conceptual aspects of themselves are
    Paradise Tennant: smiles shall we talk of our no conceptual bits or is that too hard to put to conceptual based words
    Calvino Rabeni: We can talk "about" the unknown
    Calvino Rabeni: it's hard to bring it into real presence though
    Calvino Rabeni: like to set up descriptions that really evoke and resonate with it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: for me it is :) So much 'felt', 'intuited' blurry lines between knowing what is 'real' and what is made up by my self
    Calvino Rabeni: but yes, referring to it categorically can work
    Calvino Rabeni: Like a puppet trying to get a clear notion of the puppeteer
    Paradise Tennant: or capturing the energy
    Calvino Rabeni: evoking
    Calvino Rabeni: invoking
    Calvino Rabeni: or pro-
    Paradise Tennant: yes it is both
    Calvino Rabeni: other kinds of -voking
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: voking ourselves
    Paradise Tennant: into being
    Paradise Tennant: spacious
    Paradise Tennant: complete
    Paradise Tennant: one with the whole
    stevenaia Michinaga: aren’t our avatars our puppets
    stevenaia Michinaga: it had no concept up the typist
    Calvino Rabeni: Or also our personalities
    Calvino Rabeni: personas
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hmm always kind of think of little Blondie as a cartoon but she is not blonde anymore
    stevenaia Michinaga: *of
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Paradise Tennant: when I first started sl
    Paradise Tennant: occasionally little Blondie would do something that seemed of her own accord
    Paradise Tennant: always made me jump
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: not use to the surreal nature of the place
    Calvino Rabeni: Occasionally an avatar's eyes will turn and stare and get a brief feeling of something looking out
    Calvino Rabeni: then I go .nahhhh :)
    Paradise Tennant: I always get a sense of the typist's presence
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I've felt that too
    Paradise Tennant: can usually feel the big parts of the picture male female happy sad ..
    stevenaia Michinaga: I do exactly that with my cat, the he looks as deeply at the wall as he was looking into my eyes just a moment ago
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ill pick up calm cheerful, chaotic dark
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Steve
    Calvino Rabeni: Or you get a hunch of who's avatar it is
    Paradise Tennant: animals like to look away eye to eye contact is aggressive in the animal kingdom usually
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I've done that too, and may or may not be right
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: though I find alts difficult to read sometimes
    Calvino Rabeni: except when cats trust you or are in love
    Calvino Rabeni: they have a straight gaze
    Paradise Tennant: adoring
    Paradise Tennant: animals radiate love sometimes in a way that you can touch almost tangible
    SophiaSharon Larnia: gtg and finish some work stuff :) Goodnight!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you all
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Sophia
    stevenaia Michinaga: night sophia
    stevenaia Michinaga: I should be off too
    Paradise Tennant: good nite sophia
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: may be shoveling snow tomorrow
    Paradise Tennant: smiles we have big load here to nite
    Paradise Tennant: was walking by snow angels in the park
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night cal, Paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: Good Night :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Water is strange stuff, and as ice it has so many different forms
    Paradise Tennant: hmm this is making me think of a poem I use to read in junior high
    Paradise Tennant: one sec goes to her book shelf
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Paradise Tennant: was in the oxford anthology of verse
    Paradise Tennant: about talking into the night until the fires ebbed
    Paradise Tennant: dated from roman time
    Paradise Tennant: people love to talk :)
    Paradise Tennant: when I was kid use to like to fall asleep to the murmur of voices ...my parents talking of the day
    Paradise Tennant: sorry I interrupted water ..ice ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: what we have here is not that often "Life as a Laboratory"
    Calvino Rabeni: More often, Canterbury Tales
    Paradise Tennant: more like life at shared
    Paradise Tennant: life as shared
    Calvino Rabeni: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
    Calvino Rabeni: Water behaving strangely
    Paradise Tennant: why Canterbury tales you know you are going to make me end up rereading it and I found it hard going the first time
    Calvino Rabeni: forming little columns that grow day after day
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe there's a good translation
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not a purist who'd try to read it in the original
    Calvino Rabeni: but like a translation that has flavor though
    Paradise Tennant: I’ve only read the original
    Calvino Rabeni: There are some side by side versions
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Calvino Rabeni: the original and the translation on facing pages
    Paradise Tennant: is it a favorite book for you
    Calvino Rabeni: it's a time machine
    Paradise Tennant: not the Jules Verne kind
    Calvino Rabeni: also a bold transition in the history of literature
    Calvino Rabeni: No, not the Jules Verne kind
    Calvino Rabeni: You know the word anamnesis?
    Calvino Rabeni: That kind of time machine
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: no
    Paradise Tennant: blinks and wikis
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm I guess it comes from the classics
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aanamnesis
    Calvino Rabeni: it means recapturing something essential through imaginative inquiry into the past
    Calvino Rabeni: an art of interpretation
    Paradise Tennant: yes I know that
    Calvino Rabeni: Some people say "science fiction" is more properly "speculative history"
    Paradise Tennant: I once .. won a math contest city wide by doing a test really fast .. but I do not think I solved the problems it felt like I just remembered the answers.
    Calvino Rabeni: Same imaginative skills as to do a good historical novel
    Paradise Tennant: loss of forgetfulness
    Paradise Tennant: so beautifully put
    Calvino Rabeni: That's interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Paradise Tennant: The transliteration of a Greek word for "remembering." Plato argued that we learn by remembering what we learned before coming to this world.
    Calvino Rabeni: I like that phrase too "loss of forgetfulness" in that it suggests a more original knowing
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: I think we all have that
    Calvino Rabeni: like a deeper source perhaps
    Paradise Tennant: touched that in moments
    Calvino Rabeni: (which was the contemplative exercise for the afternoon session here)
    Paradise Tennant: ahh
    Paradise Tennant: ones I never get to go too
    Paradise Tennant: but I do like reading the logs
    Calvino Rabeni: Because of work
    Paradise Tennant: yep
    Calvino Rabeni: The logs are nice for that
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you start to feel like
    Calvino Rabeni: reading a story that has episodes
    Calvino Rabeni: episodes
    Calvino Rabeni: and familiar characters, an ongoing narrative momentum
    Calvino Rabeni: and maybe we're actors in it too?
    Paradise Tennant: I think you get to know people .. their lives .. outlooks
    Paradise Tennant: in the old days people wrote letters
    Calvino Rabeni: Like more than a log, it's an ongoing story
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Paradise Tennant: many many letters that if you read them back to back would tell the story of their lives
    Calvino Rabeni: And maybe that's anamnesis to remember or recover how to do that
    Paradise Tennant: more and more I think it is just one .. life and we each maybe only take turns between being a vowel or consonant
    Paradise Tennant: or a shhh sound
    Paradise Tennant: smiles think I would like being the shhh sound best
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: Good thing we have all the sounds, the vowels and the stops, the fricatives, plosives and the rest for good emphasis
    Calvino Rabeni: to shape sound\
    Paradise Tennant: lol fricative !
    Calvino Rabeni: into an artful expression
    Calvino Rabeni: some words evoke their meaning nicely
    Calvino Rabeni: like "orality"
    Paradise Tennant: booom
    Paradise Tennant: ouch
    Paradise Tennant: smooch
    Paradise Tennant: smoosh
    Calvino Rabeni: orality ends with a smile
    Paradise Tennant: whooosh
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: fly
    Paradise Tennant: up
    Paradise Tennant: down
    Paradise Tennant: so many
    Paradise Tennant: words are like little gifts
    Paradise Tennant: really can capture
    Paradise Tennant: the intangible
    Paradise Tennant: with a exhalation of breath
    Paradise Tennant: but not all of it
    Paradise Tennant: big bits
    Paradise Tennant: you just cannot fit into words
    Paradise Tennant: or exhalations of breath
    Calvino Rabeni: fun to play with
    Paradise Tennant: yes they are like toys
    Paradise Tennant: numbers to o
    Paradise Tennant: toys
    Calvino Rabeni: like you have two decks of cards with words
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe one with nouns and one with adjectives
    Calvino Rabeni: and pick one of each at random
    Calvino Rabeni: so the noun says "creampuff" and the adjective or quality word says "triumphant" or "dire" - you say it and someone else guesses the quality
    Paradise Tennant: do you ever play the dictionary game .. little scraps of paper try to find a word no one knows say it out load spell it .the person with the book writes down the real meaning every one else makes one up .. whoever with the most votes as being right gets the most points that round then the dictionary passes to the next person
    Calvino Rabeni: (an acting school exercise)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes I've played that game
    Paradise Tennant: like it very well
    Paradise Tennant: did fine arts course in university some improv
    Paradise Tennant: always found I laughed too much
    Paradise Tennant: banana or humans impersonating bananas should not be giggling
    Paradise Tennant: just not fruit like
    Calvino Rabeni: During the pause, I remember some song, which was partly talk, and the leader said ... "Now, one more time! With Feeling!"
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: there are some great songs
    Paradise Tennant: great singers
    Paradise Tennant: was listening to my favorite cd today ..an old one,  hymns of the 49th parallel
    Paradise Tennant: well hard to say a favorite cd
    Paradise Tennant: there are so many
    Calvino Rabeni: One thing that seems really hard .. at least to me, is to find the lyrics to a song, and then read them in the style and cadence of natural conversation
    Paradise Tennant: song captures something beyond words ..
    Paradise Tennant: hard to do
    Calvino Rabeni: quite
    Paradise Tennant: lyrics are set to the cadence of the music meant to be sung
    Calvino Rabeni: It's easier to take conversation and sing it
    Paradise Tennant: yes you can sing the phone book
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: Or the instructions on medication
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: smiles looking for that poem
    Paradise Tennant: going to bother me now
    Calvino Rabeni: Or to carry a conversation only in tone, while reading the street signs during a long drive
    Calvino Rabeni: What poem was it? Did you try web search?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles everyone I know who has gotten older seems to take great joy in reading street signs
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: Do not have enough of it to search properly.
    Calvino Rabeni: Which edition? Maybe I have it
    Paradise Tennant: hmm hard to find the book in my many books
    Paradise Tennant: old version of the oxford anthology of verse
    Paradise Tennant: one sec
    Paradise Tennant: let me look again
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: nope
    Paradise Tennant: not there
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: well the jist of it was the joy of talking till the fires ebbed and the dawn broke :) the joy of friendship .. lives shared :) but with a roman lilt :)
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes I think our lives are defined but what we share
    Paradise Tennant: when we were talking of the appeal of sl ..by far I think the most addictive part is the sense of community
    Paradise Tennant: belonging
    Paradise Tennant: connection
    Calvino Rabeni: what we recognize in the spaces we inhabit together
    Paradise Tennant: that is more accepting on some levels because it is out of bounds
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I like the group meetings I go to in RL quite a bit
    Calvino Rabeni: and hardly at all because of the "content"
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: although having something everyone is interested in
    Paradise Tennant: rl has sl topped by a huge margin .more data :)
    Paradise Tennant: richer tactile .. experience
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at you .. fading fast .. ..here .. think I will have to say adieu and give blue his last chance to make a snow angel :)
    Calvino Rabeni: leads to them showing up and sharing enjoyment
    Calvino Rabeni: Ok
    Calvino Rabeni: Dog snow angel?
    Paradise Tennant: thank you cal ..for the company - the conversation . and for the loss of forgetfulness
    Calvino Rabeni: big smile, Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: lol at the very least he will make it his own with an addition:)
    Calvino Rabeni: good night, say hi t Blue
    Calvino Rabeni: he he
    Paradise Tennant: yep going to whistle him up now >>:) big wave and a little pouf :)
    Calvino Rabeni: AArf!
    Paradise Tennant: Namaste
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: dream well .. hope you get your rabbit !
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks :)

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