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Wol Euler: hello arch!

Archmage Atlantis: Hello Wol

Archmage Atlantis: :)

Wol Euler: how are you this morning?

Archmage Atlantis: Awake again

Archmage Atlantis: And you?

Wol Euler: mostly awake

Wol Euler: I slept right through the alarm clock, didn't take my 1am session today :(

Archmage Atlantis: I know.......I was 45 min late there

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: this is Adams' session, isn't it?

Wol Euler: or is that Sunday?

Archmage Atlantis: Pema had already been and claimed the log, but we talked another 45 min, so I claimed it back

Archmage Atlantis: Um, don't know without looking at the wiki

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: not to worry

Wol Euler: I'll take it if nobody else does

Archmage Atlantis: Ok

Archmage Atlantis: I had something weird happen a week or so ago.......I couldn't see my av, just a cloud.......everyone there said they could see me

Wol Euler nods. That has been happening to me the last few days, since the server software upgrade

Wol Euler: rebaking solves it for me

Archmage Atlantis: Then later, I was shown a pic of what everyone else was seeing

Wol Euler: how did you look?

Archmage Atlantis: It was me, but with a feminine look, breast ..... a typical female body.....I don't have any female av's, so I have no idea how it happened

Wol Euler: ah, you were "ruthed" :)

Archmage Atlantis: Same clothes as I'm whereing now

Archmage Atlantis: Oh, it's a know phenomena?

Wol Euler: that is a server database problem, when it can't find your proper shape it displays the default -> a woman commonly known as Ruth

Wol Euler: (don't know why they call her that)

Archmage Atlantis: Ah, so much for the mystical explanation *chuckle*

Wol Euler: she is the ur-avatar, our common root ancestor

Archmage Atlantis: Funny

Wol Euler: well, a scientific explanation doesn't mean that there is no mysticism at work :)

Wol Euler: if one believes that God made the world, why not believe that he also made science?

Archmage Atlantis: Agree

Wol Euler: good morning, Xir

Archmage Atlantis: But why Ruth, not Eve, I wonder :)

Wol Euler: perhaps that is where the mysticism comes back in

Xirana Oximoxi: hello all :)

Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Xirana

Xirana Oximoxi: hi Arch:)

Wol Euler: what was your previous mystical explanation for being in a female body, Arch?

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone

Xirana Oximoxi: hello Yaku:)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi again bruce

Xirana Oximoxi: hello Bruce:)

Wol Euler: hello bruce, yaku

Archmage Atlantis: I hadn't thought one up yet, Wol

Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Yaku, Xirana, Arch, and Wol!

Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bruce.....I was just telling Wol about the picture you took of my cloud the other day

Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Yaku

Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!

Archmage Atlantis: He had a name for it

Archmage Atlantis: Being Ruthed

Bruce Mowbray: One of those "extraordinary things" hiding among the "ordinary"?

Wol Euler coughs. "she" if you don't mind.

Xirana Oximoxi: :)

Bruce Mowbray: I've noticed that no one seems to have trouble determining Rhia's gender.

Wol Euler laughs

Archmage Atlantis: I liked Wol's explanation

Archmage Atlantis: [07:13] Wol (wol.euler): she is the ur-avatar, our common root ancestor

Wol Euler: that must be it, my boobs are too small.

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

Xirana Oximoxi: :))

Archmage Atlantis: Sorry, Wol, I usually use e, or the name......gender is kinda tricky in sl

Wol Euler nods.

Bruce Mowbray: "tricky" - to say the least!

Yakuzza Lethecus: actually sartre also became ruthed and the eyes are still as white as ruth hers

Yakuzza Lethecus: weired how this default avi from past times still lives on in the second life

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: rather like in our biology, we still have the ancient reptile brain stem pretty much intact

Yakuzza Lethecus: being reptile ? :)

Wol Euler: the cerebellum tries to hold it on a leash. When anger or fear flash out, that's the amygdala talking.

Bruce Mowbray: Mmmm.. Did you know that Freud and his followers have based their three ego states (Id, Ego, and Super-ego) on the three impulses of the brain stem?

Archmage Atlantis: Yea, like that.......not so much a plan as a directed accident....the preservation of older parts in the background

Wol Euler nods.

Bruce Mowbray: Fight, Flight, and Freeze. . .

Wol Euler: huh

Bruce Mowbray: which for present day Freudians translates to Parent, Adult, Child..

Xirana Oximoxi: I didn't know :)... interesting...

Bruce Mowbray: or for Karen Horney -- to Mastery, Love, and Freedom.

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I find it a fascinating lineage --

Wol Euler frowns. I don't see how the latter fit in that scheme.

Archmage Atlantis: Always a triad......even in the Vedas

Wol Euler: which is which?

Bruce Mowbray: From brain stem impulses that all animals seem to have into present-day "civilized" behaviors that all humans seem to have.:

Bruce Mowbray: Love, Mastery, Freedom.

Wol Euler: the child is free? that feels odd somehow. I'd have said Mastery, Freedom, Love - but even that feels a bit forced

Bruce Mowbray: OK. Freedom (aka "Flight impulse")

Archmage Atlantis: Multiple meanings of freedom, I suppose......higher and higher states of being free.......

Bruce Mowbray: Mastery/Power (aka "Fight impulse" - superego) and Love (aka "Freeze impulse - ego)

Archmage Atlantis: somewhat like Maslow's hierarchy

Wol Euler: how fascinating :)

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, freedom can be everything from mystical ecstasy to simple not feeling constrainted.

Wol Euler: I see Freedom as more akin to freezing: no need to act.

Wol Euler: no compulsion

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, similar to Maslow. . . although he would say there is a "priority" -- and the Freudians do not.

Bruce Mowbray: interesting, Wol.

Bruce Mowbray: OK -- one more thing:

Bruce Mowbray: Freedom -- the appeal is toward "moving away from) (flight)

Bruce Mowbray: Power -- the appeal is to moving over and against (fight)

Bruce Mowbray: Love -- the appeal is toward moving toward and union (freeze).

Archmage Atlantis: So, in that way, a compulsion is a form of being restrained

Wol Euler: compulsion is definitely un-free, yes.

Bruce Mowbray: Well, I think the neo-Freudians would call a compulsion any powerful and habitual impulse -- in any of the three appeals.

Bruce Mowbray: You could have a love-compulsion, or a power-compulsion, or a freedom-compulsion (mine, btw).

Bruce Mowbray: Each of these can also be highly refined. . and noble, of course.

Bruce Mowbray: not compulsive.

Archmage Atlantis: kum ba ya my lord.......oh wait, this is a fountain, not a scouting campfire *g*

Bruce Mowbray: A great musician "masters" the instrument.

Wol Euler laughs.

Bruce Mowbray: A profound lover unites whole populations.

Wol Euler nods.

Bruce Mowbray: A profound freedom person -- might be a great mystic.

Bruce Mowbray: sometimes they combine (Rumi, for example -- love and freedom)

Bruce Mowbray: Just one more thing and then I'll promise to sit on my hands...

Xirana Oximoxi: I see ..I have a lot of things to learn :)

Bruce Mowbray: The three major world religions also follow this patterN:

Bruce Mowbray: Christianity (love) - Islam (power) - Eastern (freedom)

Bruce Mowbray sits on hand, as promised.

Wol Euler grins.

Archmage Atlantis: That's ok Bruce, I've been looking up quotes from the book of Ruth, trying to uncover the mysticism Wol asked me about

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: it is one of my favourite books of the Bible

Archmage Atlantis: But if I keep going, I might as well be reading Jules Verne, Journey to the Center of the Earth *g*.........or maybe looking for Ewya

Archmage Atlantis: I think that was a cry for leavity....things are getting sorta heavy

Bruce Mowbray: onigokko

Wol Euler: stop

Archmage Atlantis: :)

Wol Euler: onigokko

Wol Euler grins.

Bruce Mowbray: stop

Wol Euler: Xir, do you have an onigokko?

Xirana Oximoxi: no, I think I don't :)

Wol Euler: you do now

Xirana Oximoxi: is it the dance?

Wol Euler: just wear it, its invisible

Wol Euler: and totally harmless, until somebody says the magic word :)

Xirana Oximoxi: ok:)

Yakuzza Lethecus: lolli

Archmage Atlantis: Ok, think I'm all animationized for the next performance *g*

Xirana Oximoxi: hehe

Xirana Oximoxi: that's onogoko... or lollipop???

Bruce Mowbray: Whaaaaaa! I want a lollypop kid, too!

Archmage Atlantis: The wiz is wiz is a wiz because

Yakuzza Lethecus: i thoght i´ve given you one

Wol Euler: that aws the lollipop, Xir

Xirana Oximoxi: ty:)

Yakuzza Lethecus: lolli

Xirana Oximoxi: :)) it's fun:)

Bruce Mowbray: Thanks! That did my "inner child" good!

Xirana Oximoxi: and if I say the word... everybody will dance?

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes

Xirana Oximoxi: ah lol

Yakuzza Lethecus: also if you say, just "onigokko"

Wol Euler: try it and see :)

Xirana Oximoxi: onigokko

Wol Euler chuckles.

Bruce Mowbray: stop

Xirana Oximoxi: :)

Archmage Atlantis: Can an av be out of breath?

Xirana Oximoxi: hehe yessss

Archmage Atlantis: good, this one is

Xirana Oximoxi: :)

Bruce Mowbray: aflac

Xirana Oximoxi: Whaaaaaaaaa... I want an 'aflac' too!!

Xirana Oximoxi: :)

Bruce Mowbray: I gave you onw, Xir.

Bruce Mowbray: one.

Xirana Oximoxi: ty:))

Archmage Atlantis: Wol, how do you do that "rebake" thing?

Wol Euler: ctrl-alt-r

Archmage Atlantis: must not work in phoenix

Archmage Atlantis: or I have my keyboard reassigned, who knows

Wol Euler: perhaps you need to open the Advanced menu first. ctrl-alt-d

Archmage Atlantis: brb

Bruce Mowbray: The advanced menu is only in V2 - not Phoenix.

Wol Euler: there is so an advanced menu in phoenix!

Wol Euler: *if* you enable it

Yakuzza Lethecus: hello observerm

Xirana Oximoxi: hello observem

Bruce Mowbray: wb, Arch.

Archmage Atlantis: Hi, O

Yakuzza Lethecus: xirana just type "aflac"

Xirana Oximoxi: aflac

Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....

Bruce Mowbray: aflac works better if you're standing up before starting it.

Bruce Mowbray: also -- "dies from laughing" does too.

Wol Euler nods.

Xirana Oximoxi: ok :)

Archmage Atlantis: jumps up for safety

Bruce Mowbray: are we ready for aflac?

Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)

Bruce Mowbray: or oni?

Bruce Mowbray: or dies laughing?

Wol Euler: shhhhhhhh

Bruce Mowbray: [silence]

Xirana Oximoxi dies from laughing....

Xirana Oximoxi: awwww sorry:)

Yakuzza Lethecus: that reminds me of these groups whom are just comming together to laugh, well a smile isn´t that bad sometimes :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: or of course a good laughter

Archmage Atlantis: Somehow we managed to go from totally serious to toally silly :)

Wol Euler grins.

Archmage Atlantis: Yw bell

Bruce Mowbray: aflac

Xirana Oximoxi: with silly we can learn a lot of things too :)

Xirana Oximoxi: hehe... nice:)

Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, everyone

Bruce Mowbray: onigokko

Bruce Mowbray: stop

Wol Euler: bye yaku

Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Yaku!

Archmage Atlantis: Bye Yaku

Bruce Mowbray wonders what his brain stem thought of all that.

Archmage Atlantis: Time for me to depart also.......Good session :)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: bye arch, enjoy the day

Bruce Mowbray: also wonders what Observerm though of it.

Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Arch!

Wol Euler: he's a quiet one.

Xirana Oximoxi: bye Arch

Xirana Oximoxi: I will go too... thanks for this nice time and have a nice day:)

Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Xir!

Bruce Mowbray: have a good weekend.

Wol Euler: bye xir, enjoy the weekend

Xirana Oximoxi: bye:)

Bruce Mowbray: Every since reading Karen Horney's book "The Neurotic Personality of our Times" -- written during the 50's - I've been exploring that Love/Power/Freedom thing.

Bruce Mowbray: The more I chase it down the road, the more fascinating it's ramifications.

Wol Euler nods.

Bruce Mowbray: It's especially interesting when brought into Buddhist methods.

Bruce Mowbray: (for me, I mean).

Wol Euler nods.

Bruce Mowbray: but I can surely see how others might find it tedious.

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: boredom is in the mind of hte beholder

Bruce Mowbray: I am SUCH a Freedom guy.

Bruce Mowbray: That's my "compulsion" I guess I'd have to say.

Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Luci!

Bruce Mowbray: love your slippers!

Wol Euler: hello lucinda, happy new year

Lucinda Lavender: Happy new year to you both:)

Lucinda Lavender: did not mean to materialize in the midst...

Lucinda Lavender: ah welll

Lucinda Lavender: may I ask a question of a technical nature?

Wol Euler: of course :)

Wol Euler: geeks r us

Lucinda Lavender: thanks:)

Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

Lucinda Lavender: if I have an im can I return to it to get information?

Wol Euler: maybe :)

Lucinda Lavender: or do I need to go into logs on my computer

Wol Euler: if you previously enabled saving IM and chat to disk, in your preferences, then yes

Wol Euler: the latter, it's now only on your hard disk somewhere

Wol Euler: if anywhere

Lucinda Lavender: I believe I have...

Bruce Mowbray: in V2 -- That's Preferences - then Chat -- thn about halfway down in that window.

Lucinda Lavender: ok just checked

Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

Bruce Mowbray: That will create a mini-folder for each of your IM's - under the name of the av that you IM'd with.

Lucinda Lavender: I see a pathway of users/my name/library/cache listed under set up

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that's where you'll find it on your hard drive -- That can be reset (cleaned) or put in a different placeof your choosing.

Wol Euler: it's odd for it to be in cache, that is a bit dangerous IMHO

Lucinda Lavender: looking in that pathway I see listed some things that need an application to open...

Wol Euler: the point of caches is that they get cleared out from time to time

Lucinda Lavender: ah...maybe I need to clear it then

Wol Euler: do they have names like 618546786526243598216216

Wol Euler: ?

Lucinda Lavender: good to know

Wol Euler: no!

Wol Euler: check first that your log files are NOT there!

Wol Euler: the log files should be plain text, no application needed

Bruce Mowbray: I have everything related to Second Life go into one large folder -- then sub-folders under that for separate items, like photos, logs, etc.

Wol Euler: you'll have one called "Wol Euler" for example

Bruce Mowbray: yes, logs should be in plain text -- and you can also choose whether to have the time stamp. . . or not.

Wol Euler: right, but if the chat logs are currently in the cache folder, and Luci clears thazt folder ...

Bruce Mowbray: yepper -- poof!

Lucinda Lavender: what...what all goes poof?

Wol Euler: look at the files in cache, Luci. Do they have sensible names of real people, or do they have abstrract names?

Bruce Mowbray: Do NOT put them in your cache folder --

Wol Euler: one at a time here, else Luci will get lost :)

Bruce Mowbray will be silent.

Wol Euler: look at the files in cache, Luci. Do they have sensible names of real people, or do they have abstrract names?

Lucinda Lavender: looking.

Lucinda Lavender: what I see are strings of numbers with letters mixed in

Wol Euler: those are indeed cache files, that's ok

Wol Euler: so your logs must be somewhere else.

Wol Euler: you are on a mac, right?

Lucinda Lavender: yes:)

Wol Euler: default location is (your mac user name)/Library/Application Support/SecondLife

Wol Euler: the private library in your home directory

Lucinda Lavender: I remember your help once before long ago on this Wol...thank you for this both of you ...again!

Lucinda Lavender: ok...will go there ..will write that pathway down

Lucinda Lavender: great...finding this ...

Wol Euler: you'll see a lot of folders, one is called "Lucinda Lavender"

Wol Euler: it shold contain all your log files

Lucinda Lavender: is this the cache I should not clean?

Wol Euler: it's not a cache.

Wol Euler: and you should definitely NOT clear it.

Lucinda Lavender: folder...

Lucinda Lavender: ok

Lucinda Lavender: wondering...

Wol Euler: mmm?

Lucinda Lavender: well...there are names listed here of 2LPeople

Wol Euler: as text files? doubleclick on one, you should see your convesration with them

Lucinda Lavender: wow...the whole history of words spoken

Wol Euler grins

Wol Euler: open the "local chat" file and scroll right down, check that our last words are there too

Wol Euler: do NOT save the file, just close it

Wol Euler: saving should not be a problem, but might mess up SL's write access

Lucinda Lavender: hmmmdo not see the words local chat

Wol Euler: no, that's a file name

Wol Euler: localchat.txt probably

Wol Euler: sorry, just "chat.txt"

Lucinda Lavender: yes I can see this conversation appearing ther in the chat txt as it appears

Wol Euler: good, so your logging is running properly.

Wol Euler: and the files are in the place where they should be

Lucinda Lavender: will im's be in there do you think?

Wol Euler: yes, there will be a file named "personWhomYouSpokeTo.txt"

Wol Euler: your IMs with them are in that fi9le

Wol Euler: *file

Bruce Mowbray: I was once kicked out of a sim - by accident.

Wol Euler: mmm?

Bruce Mowbray: I used the IM's record to prove that I had NOT said what the sim's owner thought I'd said. . .

Wol Euler nods and smiles.

Bruce Mowbray: and he immediately apologized and let me back in.

Bruce Mowbray: (although I never went back there).

Wol Euler: it's very good to have logs

Lucinda Lavender: that is nice...

Bruce Mowbray: So the logs/chat/IM's records can be helpful.

Bruce Mowbray: Oh - Wol?

Wol Euler: mmm?

Bruce Mowbray: I have cleared mine a couple of times with no prob.

Lucinda Lavender: interesting under the persons name are older chats

Wol Euler: sure, clearing cache is fine IF the cache folder contains only cache files!

Bruce Mowbray: and a month ago, my entire computer hard drive crashed -- so I had to start over. . no problem.

Bruce Mowbray: OK.

Bruce Mowbray: I understand what you meant now.

Bruce Mowbray: Time for me to get on the treadmill.

Bruce Mowbray: May you both have a happy weekend.

Wol Euler smiles. Run well, bruce, and have a good weekend

Lucinda Lavender: yes!

Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.

Wol Euler: ah, *only* old chat, not the new one you remember?

Lucinda Lavender: yes

Wol Euler: hmmm

Wol Euler: then logging IMs has probably been turned off in your preferences

Wol Euler: let me log off and come back in Viewer2.

Lucinda Lavender: ok

Lucinda Lavender: thanks so muchWol!

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