2011.01.09 07:00 - Dropping the Waves to See we are the Ocean

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    We had an impromptu Being meeting, allowing each of us to speak once whichlast until just 7 minutes remained for a general discussion. I also have reservations about sessions becoming rigid but this format is helping us to remember the value of silence in our sessions

    Adams Rubble: Hello Hamlet :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Hamlet :)
    Hamlet Graves: hello Adams#
    Hamlet Graves: :)
    Hamlet Graves: sry was afk
    Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you. Have you been here before?
    Hamlet Graves: yes.... but not for a while ....
    Adams Rubble: Is that Yurrick on the back of your shirt?
    Hamlet Graves: lol
    Hamlet Graves: could be
    Adams Rubble: Hello Archmage :)
    Hamlet Graves: I hope you don;t find it disturbing
    Adams Rubble: I am fine with it :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sartre :)
    Sartre Placebo: hey everyone
    --BELL--
    Hamlet Graves: hello Sartre, Archmage
    Sartre Placebo: hey hamlet nice to see you again :)
    Sartre Placebo: <- yakuzza
    Hamlet Graves: yay, yes I remember :)
    Hamlet Graves: good to see you to
    Archmage Atlantis: Morning Hamlet, Sartre :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I think I need a blanket hello to all famous writers, thinkers, and literary characters......it would simplify the Hellos *g*
    Hamlet Graves: is there a topic ?

    Introduction

    Adams Rubble: Last night we had our first (second?) Being session
    Adams Rubble: there will be anohter today at 1pm SLT
    Adams Rubble: we are kind of in between
    Archmage Atlantis: How about "psionic activity in multi-faceted gastropods"?
    Hamlet Graves: ermmm
    Archmage Atlantis: (ok, ok.....I give up on making jokes)
    Adams Rubble: This morning I was wondering if it would continue
    Adams Rubble: between sessions
    Hamlet Graves: isn't this a being session ?
    Adams Rubble: You were there last night Arch
    Adams Rubble: well Hamlet, in many ways, they all are
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes I was, Adams.....it was a very good session
    Hamlet Graves: cool
    Adams Rubble: but the group is trying to refocus
    Hamlet Graves: what is the group focussing on ?
    Adams Rubble: what it means to drop what we have to see what we are
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sharon :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi SS :)
    Sartre Placebo: hey ss
    Adams Rubble: Last night Pema asked people to say what they tyhought Being meant to them
    Hamlet Graves: hello SophiaSharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Adams Rubble: would you care to continue that topic?
    Hamlet Graves: sounds good
    Adams Rubble: For me it is difficult but since I am guardian this morning, maybe I should start

    Sharon


    SophiaSharon Larnia: Ive given this a lot of thought over time, the answer seems to remain the same - Being is everything......
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Hamlet Graves: not sure I can formulate an answer stright away
    SophiaSharon Larnia: however, what that means seems to change :D
    Adams Rubble: seems Sharon already has started, thanks Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (eep was typing and missed your text)
    Adams Rubble: hehe. don't worry Sgharon, it was great
    Hamlet Graves: I seem to remeber that plato distibguishes between being and becoming
    Adams Rubble: do you want to say more?
    Adams Rubble: Ohh, one thing more
    SophiaSharon Larnia: listens
    Hamlet Graves: sorry Sharon please carry on
    Adams Rubble: At these sessions, everyone was given a chance to speak one by one, at least in the beginning
    Adams Rubble: so Sharon, would you like to say more?
    Hamlet Graves: ok so it's still Sahron's turn then
    Archmage Atlantis: The log on the wiki called 2011.01.03 07:00 Clockwise Special Session gives the initial example and some background
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to me, its been been very difficult to incorporate everything nto the full spectrum of being
    SophiaSharon Larnia: for example, sorrow
    SophiaSharon Larnia: appreciating the presenceof appearance :)
    Sartre Placebo: as presentation of being :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks
    SophiaSharon Larnia: doe :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: done**
    Adams Rubble: thank you Sharon
    Adams Rubble: would you like to continue clockwise?

    Hamlet

    Hamlet Graves: ty Sharon
    Adams Rubble: in which case it would be Ham;let's turn
    Hamlet Graves: I would say that being is that which witnesses all and yet is free
    Hamlet Graves: for exam ple people say I am happy, I am sad etc
    --BELL--
    Hamlet Graves: what is forgotten is that that which observes the happiness and or sadness
    Hamlet Graves: we take ourselves to be the waves of the ocean
    Hamlet Graves: whereas in fact we are the ocean
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Hamlet Graves: being is the ocean
    Hamlet Graves: the waves come and, exisyt fpor a while and then pass
    Hamlet Graves: when a wave reaches the end of its journey, crashing on to the shore or simply subsisiding, the ocean remains
    Hamlet Graves: finished
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lovely analogy thank you

    Adams

    Adams Rubble: Thank you Hamlet :)
    Adams Rubble: That was a wonderful start Sharon and Hamlet. The oceanmetaphor is beautiful
    Adams Rubble: I agree with all your definitions
    Hamlet Graves: glad you liked it ... I'm into oceans at the moment ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
    Adams Rubble: I see on your profile Hamlet :)
    Hamlet Graves: haha
    Adams Rubble: I have been looking for the meaning of being in the ancient traditions I know best
    Adams Rubble: I was raised as a Christian and thus it is the most accessible for me
    Adams Rubble: Hello bruce...we are going around the circle talking about what Being means to us
    Alfred Kelberry: hello, pablings :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bruce and Boxy (we're going clockwise, what being means to us)
    Adams Rubble: we are going clockwise and Sharon and Hamlet have spoken
    Sartre Placebo: hey boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, circle thing today
    Adams Rubble: Hello Alfred. We are having an impromtu Being session
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. Thanks.
    Adams Rubble: just for the first time around
    Alfred Kelberry: eden had it before
    Hamlet Graves: hello Bruce, Alfred :)
    Adams Rubble: Sharon said Being is everything and mention Apprectiation of Appearance as the Prsence of Being (with Sartre) :)
    Adams Rubble: Hamlet compared us to the ocean, making a diffrence betyween the ocean and the waves which come anbd go
    Adams Rubble: I think I can safely say that both said that we are Being and Being is us
    Adams Rubble: is that fair?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Hamlet Graves: yes :)
    Adams Rubble: so then what does that mean?
    Adams Rubble: because we do get caught up with the waves and thenk they are us as Hamlet said
    Adams Rubble: (me not feeling very eloquent at the moment-hehe)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me either! but very elequent so far
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just pondoring your question
    Adams Rubble: I think what I am trying to say I am expending a fair amount of effort trying to connected with Being
    Adams Rubble: stay connnected
    Hamlet Graves: well I would suggest that thise who are tired of beijg caught up in the waves can start to look for the ocean if they so wish
    Adams Rubble: Maybe forgetting the simplicity of what Sharon and Hamlet have just said
    Adams Rubble: I think I'll rest there for a moment and pass it to Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, ty Adams
    --BELL--
    Adams Rubble: Hello Viola :)

    Arch

    Archmage Atlantis: The Being sessions are having an impact on my awareness of my personal sense of being.....I am more and more aware of my contrarian streak
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Viola
    Viola Eternal: hi sophia
    Viola Eternal: hi adam
    Hamlet Graves: hi viola :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Viola.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The sense that if there is an ocean with waves, I may choose to roll with them, or I may choose to dive into them
    Adams Rubble talking to Violla in IM
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Adams
    Archmage Atlantis: And both are my being, I never stop being......only my awareness of it varies
    Alfred Kelberry: sorry, viola, it's a cushion for tinies :)
    Alfred Kelberry: try a blue one
    Viola Eternal: its fine ill just sit somewhere else
    Archmage Atlantis: That's enough.....pass to Sartre

    Sartre

    Sartre Placebo: thx arch
    Sartre Placebo: I think about being sometimes as a refocussing process on that what´s really necessary in our lives, how to get through experiences and drop those whom are creating little stucknesses or bigger ones
    Sartre Placebo: to explore the process of being
    Sartre Placebo: well, over to bruce :)

    Bruce

    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Sartre. Continuing with Hamlet's wonderful metaphor of the ocean. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: There's this impulse to reach out and grasp individual waves. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: and also a sense that Being is much more than any or all of those waves.
    Bruce Mowbray: So I consider another dimension -- the ocean's waves being the "horizontal" (something we'd be grasping
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    Alfred Kelberry: stev and her lovely dress :)
    Bruce Mowbray: something we'd try to grasp for. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: and then there is the Vertical dimension. . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: smilrs, thank you Boxy
    Adams Rubble: Hello Steve, we are having a special session on what Being means to us
    Bruce Mowbray: I shall call the waves - each and all of them - the Having dimension,
    Bruce Mowbray: and I shall call the Vertical dimension the "view" onoe has of Being.
    Bruce Mowbray: one has*
    Bruce Mowbray: But that's a CHOICE.
    Bruce Mowbray: and within that choice, we can develop how we Be. . . - but never in a Having way.
    Alfred Kelberry: hmm
    Bruce Mowbray: and this is the predicament that all great spiritual traditions attempt to explain.
    Bruce Mowbray: and all I can can about it is:
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Here we Are.
    Bruce Mowbray: passes to Viola.

    Viola bravely takes a turn on her very first session

    Viola Eternal: well id have to say hi to everyone first
    Hamlet Graves: hi Viola
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi :) you may talk or pass, up to you
    Viola Eternal: and second of all what a great subject we are disscusing to day, i mean the pwoer of the word being is more than enough to define it
    Viola Eternal: this is the subject that needs pure clarity about generalization in life and how we handle being anytihng we want or we feel like being as
    Viola Eternal: we should express ourselves to this as our own reflection of our own sides
    Viola Eternal: we should be more than proud to be whatever makes us
    Viola Eternal: hapyy
    Viola Eternal: never care hwhat others feel
    Viola Eternal: we should care what we feel
    Viola Eternal: and what we are being able to do or not
    Viola Eternal: and how to reflect this through oru life style and personality
    Viola Eternal: thank u all now may i say that id be glad to here a general disscussion
    Adams Rubble: we hope you join us again Viola :)
    Adams Rubble: are you finished Viola?
    --BELL--
    Alfred Kelberry: *hmms on "never care what others feel"*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we were going clockwise steve, that means you next :)

    Stevenaia also bravely takes a turn although have recenty arrived

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: was there a topic?
    Adams Rubble: Alfred has deftly moved (giggles)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    Hamlet Graves: what being means to us
    Adams Rubble: we are dicussing what being means to us Steve :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    stevenaia Michinaga: when I walked in I saw the tail end of Bruces ocean which made me take a 9 second pause
    Bruce Mowbray smiles and nods -- and says, 'Me too!'
    stevenaia Michinaga: thinking about Being for a second , well 9 seconds , and where it things come from in me, and I think of pulling the pug in the bathtub (infinite ocean) and seeing what fills the void
    stevenaia Michinaga: usually at that moment I have a better sence of me sensing Being
    stevenaia Michinaga: in the void
    stevenaia Michinaga: when everyhting is empty
    stevenaia Michinaga: then it all rushes back in and here I am
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I agree with the departed Viols
    stevenaia Michinaga: a
    stevenaia Michinaga: about not so much as never caring what others feel
    stevenaia Michinaga: but always know that you should be true to yorself first, and in theroy, it will be the right thing
    stevenaia Michinaga: glad I wasn't around for all of your comments or my mind couldn;t have woven all that together ( from bathtub universe to Being to ... etc)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: but it was nice to listen freshly
    Adams Rubble: you can read it Steve :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes thank you Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, I suspect I will
    stevenaia Michinaga: and get back to you
    Adams Rubble: thank you Steve :)
    Adams Rubble: We ave just 7 minutes
    stevenaia Michinaga: was I then end of the circle? if there is such a place :)
    Adams Rubble: Alfred, would you like to say something?
    Alfred Kelberry: no, thank you :)

    General Discussion

    Adams Rubble: Thank you all for what has been a wonderful session :)
    Adams Rubble: It is open to anyone noew
    SophiaSharon Larnia: To go back to what I said for just this - it is not simple, I've been caught up in the waves, and to 'look away' from some things seems to me to be irresponsible, like not caring. A part of the Having dimension Bruce called it, I guess. No one likes talking about it. :)
    Adams Rubble: stopping every 15 minutes for 9 seconds is a wonderful way to rememebr we are not the wave
    Hamlet Graves: well in a much as the waves are still ocrean no matter how difficult they seem
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so I'm deficient in some way.
    Adams Rubble: oh no Sharon, you are not deficient. You are all there :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Hamlet Graves: who is the 'I' who is deficient ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Archmage Atlantis: image of pulling a pug out of a drain, better that a St Bernard out of a well, I suppose....which of these 2 things are similar? (question 23 on the standardized test)......but seriously folks....on the notion of caring about others, caring is good, letting that caring determine my being? To me not so good.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: We're all been caught up in the Having dimension, Sharon -- That's why I called it "our predicament." But, as Hamlet has just pointed out, we can choose to "see" that predicament is a fresh and transformative way.
    Bruce Mowbray: and I certainly agree with Arch that caring is good.
    Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, caring is Being for "others" in a way that realizes that there truly are no others. Just us.
    Hamlet Graves: being mindful of others is good, but being afraid of what others may thonk of one isn't
    Hamlet Graves: *think
    stevenaia Michinaga: being defined and listening to feedback are quite different
    Adams Rubble: Them is Being too :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Jan.
    Archmage Atlantis: Well said Hamlet & Steve
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Jan, sorry you were ignored for a second
    Jan Qualia: sounds like a good discussion
    --BELL--

    During the 90 seconds there is great confusion as people announce they are leaving


    Bruce Mowbray sneaks out to meeting at Village Hall.... May all be happy and safe.
    Jan Qualia: was just passing by on way to meeting
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Jan Qualia: bye
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, it is that time
    Sartre Placebo: bye who won´t be at the session now
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon, off to next meeting :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia sneaks off too, bye all :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you for the wonderful session Adams!!!
    Adams Rubble: Thanks everyone :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, ty Adams
    Hamlet Graves: thanks, it's been great :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, everyone's gone
    Adams Rubble: It was nice you could come again Hamlet
    Alfred Kelberry: bye folks
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you for the company
    Adams Rubble: bye Alfred :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I really dislike this mass exodus effect
    Alfred Kelberry: run! run! :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Sigh, joining the exodus
    Adams Rubble: yes, it is a dictratction some mornings
    Adams Rubble: hehe

    Hamlet and I remain; I tell him a little about guardans and he tells me about his other group

    Hamlet Graves: where did everyone go ?
    Adams Rubble: there is a guardian meeting at 8 am SLT Sunday mornigns
    Hamlet Graves: guardian meeting ?
    Adams Rubble: for those of us who are guardians in PaB
    Hamlet Graves: oh you're a guardian
    Adams Rubble: yes, I am the guardian for this session
    Adams Rubble: all it means is that I greet people and post the log
    Hamlet Graves: ahh ok
    Adams Rubble: no sheep or nuclear weapons or anything like that :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Hamlet Graves: so you're not going to the guardian meeting or are you ?
    Adams Rubble: yes, I will
    Adams Rubble: but I am not in the same rush :)
    Hamlet Graves: ok
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Hamlet Graves: :)
    Hamlet Graves: wow all those guys are guardians
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: it usually means someone has attended regularly for a time
    Hamlet Graves: ahh well
    Hamlet Graves: I'd be a very poor guardian then
    Adams Rubble: You made a big contribution to the discussion this morning
    Hamlet Graves: it was a good discussion I felt
    Adams Rubble: yes it was

    Brahma Yoga and Meditation Group

    Adams Rubble: our group is trying to refocus. the sessions had become just chit-chat
    Hamlet Graves: I attend the brahma yoga ashram quite regularly
    Hamlet Graves: yes it's easy for things to slide
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: I am not sure what that is
    Hamlet Graves: hard to describe .. ameeting of minds of those who seek the truth
    Adams Rubble: like Play as Being :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Ewan

    Leaders and Gurus and Respecting Traditions


    Hamlet Graves: yes ... except that it has a leader
    Adams Rubble: ahh
    Adams Rubble: is that the name of the group?
    Hamlet Graves: Brahma Yoga and Meditation Group
    Adams Rubble: Does it have any connection with Hinduism?
    Hamlet Graves: sort of ... although we don't spend time examining the lesser deities
    Hamlet Graves: the leader is what is know as a shaktipat guru ... one who can convey ceratin spiritual experiences
    --BELL--
    Hamlet Graves: and yes it even works over SL
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Our founder, Pema Pera, works hard to keep us as thinking of him as our leader
    Adams Rubble: from thinking
    Hamlet Graves: good
    Adams Rubble: Sometimes he has a hard job doing that :)
    Hamlet Graves: Pramiil is tyhe same in as much as he wants people to take responsibility for theit own development
    Adams Rubble: yes, that is important
    Adams Rubble: it is easy to confuse Being and a leader
    Hamlet Graves: but some people prefer a more 'devotional' approach ... so they are more into veneration
    Adams Rubble: like icons
    Hamlet Graves: yes .... everyone has their own path ..... speaking personally I'm not very worshipful
    Adams Rubble: it always is to good to respect the different approaches
    Adams Rubble: It is something I finding inspiring about Buddhism
    Hamlet Graves: yes quite ..... during meditation some people have ceratin anthropomorphic visions
    Adams Rubble: the approaches of Zen, Mahayana, esoteric, etc are so duifferent
    Adams Rubble: but they erespect each appraoch as equally valid
    Adams Rubble: respect
    Hamlet Graves: quite
    Adams Rubble: we have not done as well with that in the west
    Hamlet Graves: yes it's been a bit dogmatic
    Hamlet Graves: anyway ... I should probably unplug for a bit
    Adams Rubble: thank you for coming this morning :)
    Hamlet Graves: it's been a pleasure
    Adams Rubble: have a good day or evening or whatever time it is :)
    Hamlet Graves: there's a good vibration here
    Adams Rubble: I think so, it keeps me coming back :)
    Hamlet Graves: :)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
    Hamlet Graves: bye Adams
    Adams Rubble: off to my meeting :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Hamlet Graves: ::: nods ::: yup

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