2011.01.26 07:00 semantic chickens

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    The Guardian for this meeting was druth Vlodovic. The comments are by druth Vlodovic.  welcome to AliceB

    druth Vlodovic: hey arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hiya Druth
    druth Vlodovic: ohh, you brought coffee!
    druth Vlodovic: hi koya
    Archmage Atlantis: Koya says hey........the coffee cup is from earlier......one moment
    druth Vlodovic: and all the animals? somebody had tuna for breakfast :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Mimosa time :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok
    Archmage Atlantis: almost in port :)
    druth Vlodovic: ??
    Archmage Atlantis: Like a ship trying to drop anchor in the port of call.........in other words, I wasn't totally in place
    druth Vlodovic: ah
    druth Vlodovic: sitting up like this, with my hands primly tucked, I feel alert and nervous lol
    druth Vlodovic: what place do you wish to be in?
    Archmage Atlantis: Right here actually
    Archmage Atlantis: It's a comfortable place
    Archmage Atlantis: I guess with the rl retreat, a lot of folks are still busy with that or with catching up.........it's so quiet
    druth Vlodovic: quiet can be good
    Archmage Atlantis: What makes this time nervous for you today?
    druth Vlodovic: though I must say it was good to see you, I was about to break out in song
    druth Vlodovic: oh, just my avatar posture
    Archmage Atlantis: :) feel free to do so, I like songs
    Archmage Atlantis: I like quiet also........
    Archmage Atlantis: The posture, hmmmmm......some of these cushions have their own quirks, the ones I like best can be touched to get to a posture I feel comfortable with that day
    Archmage Atlantis: But some of them won't change, or don't have any postures I like
    druth Vlodovic: lol, this one has a choice of knees together or 6 inches apart
    druth Vlodovic: we need a good laying back lounging one
    Archmage Atlantis: That's ok for me....cross legged is my preference.........
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually a good lounge is my real preference
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: When I had my own island, I had a large pool and deck with lounges for visitors, but that was a while ago
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, eldir
    druth Vlodovic: hi eldir, have you been here before?
    eldir Resident: Hello
    eldir Resident: yes I have, thanks
    druth Vlodovic: why did you give it up?
    Archmage Atlantis: I know sometimes I come more often that others, sometimes not being here isn't giving it up
    Archmage Atlantis: It's just a busy time
    Archmage Atlantis: Or I'm not in the mood
    druth Vlodovic: I meant the island
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh the island
    druth Vlodovic: but yes, it's not always good to force things
    Archmage Atlantis: Not enough lindens
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    druth Vlodovic: do you guys do the meditation?
    eldir Resident: I now have a bell on my computer and one on my phone to remind me
    Archmage Atlantis: I meditate at Hikari.......I observe the silence here......I use moments in the day to reflect
    eldir Resident: I really like the 9 second breaks
    Archmage Atlantis: All are meditation
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, the practice as done here can be useful
    Archmage Atlantis: especially in a busy rl
    druth Vlodovic: it's good to stop so you stop stumbling :)
    eldir Resident: many times I don't write down what I felt, revealed or saw
    Archmage Atlantis: I lie those ideas, the bell s
    eldir Resident: yes, to stop stumbling :)
    Archmage Atlantis: *likr
    Archmage Atlantis: *like
    eldir Resident: :)
    druth Vlodovic: lol, don't worry I'm under orders to correct spelling mistakes in the log
    eldir Resident: then sometimes I write in my journal for 10 minutes
    eldir Resident: which is good for me too
    druth Vlodovic: feel free to laugh
    druth Vlodovic: oh, nice
    druth Vlodovic: I often find I don't have anything to write, so I just jot, "nuff'n"
    eldir Resident: many/most of the typos are really ahropo
    eldir Resident: appropo
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    druth Vlodovic: ah, lucinda, welcome!
    eldir Resident: Hello Lucinda
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello sweet Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi druth,Arch,eldir,,observerm
    Lucinda Lavender: :)


    The relationship between words/abbreviations, personalities and points of view is an interesting subject, too bad we got sidetracked

    I can't find the point but somewhere below we went from using words to define (create) reality to examining the reality created by them,


    eldir Resident: I have read Adams' blog and started using abbr. for common insights, moods, times
    druth Vlodovic: you find your experiences similar to his?
    eldir Resident: sort of
    eldir Resident: many of Adams' abbr. do not work or are not meaningful to me
    Archmage Atlantis: Words (and thus abbr.) are imperfect carriers of the full meaning........ yet they are better than to be without words
    eldir Resident: over time I made up my own list of common occurances
    eldir Resident: right, those words/abbr. are not the same
    eldir Resident: so, I put down a general category abbr. and a little explaining sentence
    eldir Resident: usually poor grammar
    druth Vlodovic: form is there to be useful
    Archmage Atlantis: Somehow, I think that grammar has gone beyound being correct or poor
    eldir Resident: e.g. I use "hard to catch breath" a lot
    eldir Resident: oh, please do not get me started on today's mis-use of grammar
    druth Vlodovic: lol
    druth Vlodovic: you an english teacher?
    eldir Resident: no, but I raised to speak properly
    eldir Resident: and want to go out in the street and slap some of these kids up side the head
    eldir Resident: the whole egoistical thing of putting yourself before others
    eldir Resident: "me and Joe"
    eldir Resident: have not heard "Joe and I" in years
    Archmage Atlantis: I like slang
    druth Vlodovic: ah, but grammer is just a vehicle of commonality, to enhance transmission of meaning. If the function is performed is the form necessary?
    Archmage Atlantis: All forms of slang
    druth Vlodovic: because "joe and I" sounds like putting on airs lol
    eldir Resident: Word
    Archmage Atlantis: It is like watching an evolution
    Archmage Atlantis: If there are new functions to express.....is the existing grammar sufficient?
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting question to ponder...I must go soon to open up chickens for the day...
    Archmage Atlantis: I hope that means, let then out Lucinda
    druth Vlodovic: um, I hope you mean "chicken coops" lol
    eldir Resident: ah, the daily opening
    Lucinda Lavender: yep..
    Archmage Atlantis: Not split them in half
    Lucinda Lavender: no splitting
    druth Vlodovic: of course, I usually use pre-opened chickens, so I can't complain
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: notice :opening up the chickens does sound funny:...
    Archmage Atlantis: I never had to use a chicken I knew personally for dinner until I was 29
    druth Vlodovic: and us poor city folk don't like extrapolating some sorts of meaning
    Lucinda Lavender: examining grammer is very interesting...never have used a chicken for eating either...
    eldir Resident: we ate chickens I named since I can remember
    Lucinda Lavender: ah...really...
    druth Vlodovic: lol, "Nadine noodle soup"
    Archmage Atlantis: That is why all the animals, Eldir, to understand their reality
    Lucinda Lavender: pot pie?
    Archmage Atlantis: Just in case we look like a good farming location for aliens some day
    eldir Resident: It just was something that was part of life/death.
    Lucinda Lavender: I met someones chicken named Pot Pie...
    eldir Resident: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I don't think the
    druth Vlodovic: fellow was talking to me about how many "head of beef" he had
    Archmage Atlantis: "virgin in the volcano"
    Archmage Atlantis: will work for them
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, head of beef..
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci like the word beeves:) not sure why...is it a word I made up I wonder?
    Archmage Atlantis: Head of sheep, head of goats, head of pigs.....all a count of animals raised for meat
    druth Vlodovic: it's an odd way of looking at living things
    Archmage Atlantis: beeves does seem to have been used
    eldir Resident: "head of State"?
    druth Vlodovic: they talk about "dehumanizing" minorities in order to treat them badly
    druth Vlodovic: but I'm not sure it is necessary to define something as a "not-person" in order to do this
    Archmage Atlantis: That is no secret druth
    eldir Resident: yes, beeves is a word.
    eldir Resident: not neccessary, but helps :(
    druth Vlodovic: they say some of the aboriginal americans used to thank animals for giving their lives for our sustenance, so they treated them with dignity and respect even whil hunting and eating them
    eldir Resident: and I thought that about chickens I had named
    eldir Resident: it seems to work
    Lucinda Lavender: yes I like this kind of ritual as well...
    druth Vlodovic: "I give you an identity of both person, and food."
    Lucinda Lavender: be right back...
    eldir Resident: brb too
    druth Vlodovic: beeves = plural of beef :)
    eldir Resident: this is my friend alice, that I was waiting to bring here
    druth Vlodovic: funny, I've always thought of beef as a mass rather than distinct units
    druth Vlodovic: hi alice!
    AliceB Resident: Hello
    druth Vlodovic: we post our discussion logs on the internet, are you ok with this?
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Alice...welcome to the conversation
    AliceB Resident: thanks, but El told me all about this group
    AliceB Resident: and I read some of the website
    druth Vlodovic: ok,
    druth Vlodovic: :.( my first opp to give out the notecard too
    AliceB Resident: this is very pretty site
    druth Vlodovic: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Give it out anyway, Druth
    AliceB Resident: sorry, I read the notecard yesterday
    Archmage Atlantis: There may be something covered there
    druth Vlodovic: so much for the department of redundancy department
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, so much for trying to be ....
    Archmage Atlantis: yeah, redundant.........
    druth Vlodovic: we were talking about grammer and chickens
    AliceB Resident: please give it anyway, not sure I know how to receive
    AliceB Resident: grammar and chickens ??
    AliceB Resident: ty
    Archmage Atlantis: although, I think that also means there is a base understanding that everyone is ready to move on from
    druth Vlodovic: they can be awful sticklers for details
    Lucinda Lavender: well my chicken report is that they are allplay on beings...off toward the day... up and clucking...
    eldir Resident: :)
    eldir Resident: thanks and bye Luci
    Archmage Atlantis: Kewl, Lucinda......are they a particular type of chicken?
    Lucinda Lavender: all out of order that sentence:)
    AliceB Resident: nice meeting you (for a little)
    druth Vlodovic: hmm, we need a tie in, "How language defines our reality" meditate on it for the next break lol
    druth Vlodovic: have fun eldir
    Archmage Atlantis: bantam, rhode island red, spekled.....etdc
    Lucinda Lavender: great idea druth...
    AliceB Resident: hmmm, I think I am already to deep into that subject matter
    eldir Resident: :) yes with your son
    druth Vlodovic: oh?
    Archmage Atlantis: I need to go, ty for the conversation all :) - frogs s/b singing outside soon as it has been raining.......later
    druth Vlodovic: have fun arch, thanks for coming
    eldir Resident: bye arch
    AliceB Resident: bye
    AliceB Resident: we need to go too, El
    druth Vlodovic: how does your son use language to define his reality alice?
    druth Vlodovic: aww...
    AliceB Resident: I should have gotten here eariler
    druth Vlodovic: np, we do it lots
    eldir Resident: oh dear
    AliceB Resident: he is taking a lone intensive course/class of that subject
    AliceB Resident: and is calling, writing, texting me all the time
    AliceB Resident: I go insane, but must be there
    druth Vlodovic: oh? disability, or gifted?
    AliceB Resident: when does motherhood stop ...
    AliceB Resident: I know answer (never)
    druth Vlodovic: never I hope :)
    druth Vlodovic: but mine are still young
    druth Vlodovic: my brother took a special course in how to talk to people for business purposes
    AliceB Resident: I need to go get my hair dyed from all the grey he is giving me
    druth Vlodovic: it can be odd to hear him when he gets into the zone
    eldir Resident: I told you not to get her started
    druth Vlodovic: lol
    druth Vlodovic: should I let you go, or press on?
    eldir Resident: sorry, we are late for something else
    druth Vlodovic: ok, have fun you two
    AliceB Resident: bye and will come again
    druth Vlodovic: I hope to see you around eldir, and alice
    eldir Resident: bye and thank you

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