2011.01.27 13:00 - tension and breathing

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Lia ;)
    Lia Rikugun: hi sunshine
    Lia Rikugun: how are you doing?
    Sunshine Vayandar: I hope I won't sit on someone this time
    Sunshine Vayandar: I am wel ty ;)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: well
    Sunshine Vayandar: how are you Lia?
    Lia Rikugun: i am the only one yet
    Lia Rikugun: am good thank you
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Wol Euler: hello sun, lia
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Wol ã‹¡
    Lia Rikugun: hi wol :)
    Lia Rikugun: wow what a nice hat
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes nice colors
    Wol Euler: part of the outfit, but it was the reason I bought this outfit :)
    Lia Rikugun: i love it !
    Sunshine Vayandar: reminds me of a burning sombrero I saw here this week
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: it was relatively cheap, actually, it's an old item and marked down.
    Sunshine Vayandar: really
    Aubergine Mint: hiya
    Wol Euler: hello aubergine, I haven't seen you in a while :)
    Lia Rikugun: hello aubergine
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi aubergine ;)
    Aubergine Mint: don't get much time lately
    Sunshine Vayandar: wow someone talked about her Wol
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty
    Sunshine Vayandar: Eshi
    Wol Euler nods. She's famous, and quite good :)
    Lia Rikugun: what is that?
    Wol Euler: the designer of this outfit, Eshi Otawara
    Lia Rikugun: oh i understand, thank you
    Aubergine Mint: I like her designs
    Sunshine Vayandar: I think she made an amazing build one of the imagine festivals
    Lia Rikugun: we have a break soon
    Lia Rikugun: should we just try to drop to see what we are :)
    Lia Rikugun: or just relax
    Sunshine Vayandar: kk ;)
    Lia Rikugun: hi mick
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Lia ,Wol, sunshine and Aubergine :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Mick ;)
    Lia Rikugun: so how was the brek for you?
    Lia Rikugun: break*
    Mickorod Renard: are you all well?
    Wol Euler: peaceful
    Lia Rikugun: :) yes for me too
    Aubergine Mint: hiya Mickorod


    sunshine was feeling a bit tense, so we used the breaks to concentrate on our breathing

    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm bit tense
    Wol Euler: why?
    Mickorod Renard: great,,was that the break in your home land?
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm this evening has been a bit like that
    Sunshine Vayandar: so the break was like that as well
    Lia Rikugun: sorry to hear
    Sunshine Vayandar: but hopefully the second will be better
    Mickorod Renard: sometimes I feel tense, even for no apparent reason
    Lia Rikugun: yes or sad
    Sunshine Vayandar: someone upset me just before coming here
    Sunshine Vayandar: in RL
    Wol Euler: I'm sorry to hear it
    Sunshine Vayandar: so it will take time
    Mickorod Renard: me too
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty Wol ;))
    Sunshine Vayandar: thanks guys
    Mickorod Renard: I try very hard not to get angry, as that only hurts me more
    Wol Euler nods.
    Sunshine Vayandar: it's not anger
    Lia Rikugun: thats true
    Sunshine Vayandar: just tension
    Sunshine Vayandar: u know the type of tension when you don't agree with the other person
    Lia Rikugun: should we try to do a breathing exercise in the next break to relax
    Sunshine Vayandar: but need to accept
    Lia Rikugun: ?
    Mickorod Renard: but sometimes other things are equaly harmful to the self
    Sunshine Vayandar: good idea
    Lia Rikugun: hey yaku!
    Mickorod Renard: hi Yaku
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Yak ;)
    Aubergine Mint: hiya Yaku
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    Lia Rikugun: yaku we were talking about tension and anger
    Lia Rikugun: and we will try a breathing exercise to relax ;)


    sharing or not sharing?

    Sunshine Vayandar: you think it's ok to share here? I think it will influence how you guys feel also
    Mickorod Renard: I find its always easier to be philosophical about issues after the event
    Lia Rikugun: during the next break
    Lia Rikugun: it is ok sure
    Wol Euler nods.
    Mickorod Renard: yea
    Mickorod Renard: please
    Wol Euler: of course
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I try to rather solve it by myself
    Wol Euler: up to you :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: usually
    Sunshine Vayandar: what do you think - is it ok if one shares these emotions with others?
    Wol Euler: why wouldn't it be?
    Lia Rikugun: if it is ok for you it is ok
    Aubergine Mint: why ont?
    Aubergine Mint: not?
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm sometimes it can get out of hand I think
    Mickorod Renard: I like to think that it helps me too, as its likely that your issues are similar to mine
    Sunshine Vayandar: lol and suddenly everyone is tense
    Lia Rikugun: we will see ;)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Cal ;)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Cal
    Lia Rikugun: hi calvino
    Aubergine Mint: hi Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Sunshine, Mick, Lia
    Wol Euler: hello cal
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i would see an issue in expressing the unability to verbalize all aspects that lead to issues and therefore can confuse ppl when i talk about my tensions
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes I think so
    Mickorod Renard: that sounds like what I face when I talk to my wife
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: lol Mick
    Sunshine Vayandar: it was my ex that called
    Wol Euler: it takes two to be confused. One to speak unclearly or incompletely, and the other to let that stand instead of asking "what do you mean"
    Mickorod Renard: yes, patience and an interest helps
    Lia Rikugun: hello XXX
    Lia Rikugun: i mean lugh
    Mickorod Renard: hello Lugh
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Lugh ;)
    Sunshine Vayandar: looking great ;p
    Aubergine Mint: hello Lugh
    Wol Euler: hi lugh
    Lia Rikugun: i cannot see anything
    Lugh Fehr: hellow pople sorry for that
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hy lugh
    Lugh Fehr: hey yaku , lookin sharp :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello zon
    Wol Euler: sorry about that :)
    Zon Kwan: hey¨
    Lia Rikugun: hi zon
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi zon ;)


    the second break is coming up

    Lia Rikugun: in one minute we do a breathing exercise
    Lia Rikugun: to relax
    Zon Kwan: k
    Wol Euler: hello zon
    Lia Rikugun: i think i will just watch my breath
    Lia Rikugun: wow this went by fast
    Mickorod Renard: hi Zon
    Lia Rikugun: so how was that?
    Sunshine Vayandar: better ;)
    Zon Kwan: 15 thoughts
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Lugh Fehr: hey zon
    Lia Rikugun: yes you feel better? :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: I hope for you all too ;)
    Lia Rikugun: yes it was very good
    Wol Euler: hello sam
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi sam ;)
    Sunshine Vayandar: how are you?
    oO0Oo Resident: hello everybody :)
    Lugh Fehr: hey oOOoo
    Mickorod Renard: hi oOOOOOo
    Aubergine Mint: hi Sam
    Zon Kwan: hi o
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello sam
    oO0Oo Resident: :) rezing
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty all - thanks to u - the second break was much better ;)
    Lia Rikugun: great ;)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Lia Rikugun: no tension anymore?
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm may be a bit
    Sunshine Vayandar: 'much less - I looked at my tension meter
    Lia Rikugun: haha so another breathing in the next break
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;D
    Wol Euler: :)


    dialing down the tensionmeter by smiling at it :)

    Lia Rikugun: sowhat happened to the tensionmeter?
    Sunshine Vayandar: the first time it broke
    Mickorod Renard: I dont think I can hold mine till then
    Lia Rikugun: how did you dial it down
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I smiled at it
    Lia Rikugun: ah how nice
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    Lia Rikugun: i will try to do that next time i am tense
    Sunshine Vayandar: well the smile worked and then also your presence
    Lia Rikugun: (if i remember and dont buy too much into the tension)
    Wol Euler: that can work surprisingly well actually :)
    Wol Euler: yes, exactly
    Wol Euler: not buy in to it.
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes good tip also
    Wol Euler: tell yourself "I do not have to feel this way"
    Calvino Rabeni: Tension has two sides, does it not... something that wants to happen, and something that wants it not to happen
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm interesting Cal
    Lia Rikugun: a clear tension can be good too i think
    Sunshine Vayandar: clear tension?
    Calvino Rabeni: So another way to change tension - is to say - I will let myself feel this way
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes true
    Mickorod Renard: I guess the word itself is indicative of something being pulled in two diferent directions
    Lia Rikugun: i sometimes need tension to do something
    Wol Euler nods.
    Lia Rikugun: but if i am going too much into this tension nothing works
    Lia Rikugun: so just a little bit :)
    Lugh Fehr: i thinck tension is likes ugar has a bad rap for being over used but is as essentil as protains to the body
    Lia Rikugun: a clear tension somehow
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes the middle way ;)
    Lugh Fehr: sugar*
    Zon Kwan: balance


    avalanches of tension

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think i often seem to do the failure in thinking and buying into tention and then thinking ,,this is what i want to get rid of" but i associate the tention to every attempt against it and i start with tention again
    Lia Rikugun: so bilding up tension onto tension?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: kind of, binding the tention to the ,,thoughts whom trying to get rid of it" therefore not loosing the tention
    Lia Rikugun: for me it can easily happen as well
    Wol Euler nods.
    Sunshine Vayandar: it can be like an avalanche - it can get out of hand
    Calvino Rabeni: A certain amount of my tension I take as something Iearned from parents as a child - "Quiet Down.. you're making too much noise" because they wanted to concentrate their adult attentions on some things known only to them
    Wol Euler: you end up being more tense about tension itself, than about what you were originally worried by
    Calvino Rabeni: "Keep a lid on it"
    Lia Rikugun: so just letting go
    Lia Rikugun: how to do that?
    Mickorod Renard: I like the practice we do here for these matters,,the becoming lucid in real life for a few seconds,,seeing it from the outside
    Lia Rikugun: another breathing in less than 1 minute?
    Sunshine Vayandar: especially a kid cannot just stop it easily
    Lugh Fehr: say the magick word abracatabra
    Sunshine Vayandar: ã‹¡
    Calvino Rabeni: Kids do need to learn to self regulate their energy and excitement
    Wol Euler: easily said :)
    oO0Oo Resident: there is no "lid" on the PaB pavillion
    Mickorod Renard: some adults do too
    Wol Euler: right
    Mickorod Renard: me sometimes
    Mickorod Renard: I need to turn mine up more
    Lugh Fehr: i thinck we need a place to use our energy not lid it up to satify our surrunding we should do it the other way round


    getting too excited and switching to fear

    Calvino Rabeni: I saw this with a kitten recently, it was playing and got more and more wild and excited and seemed to be having fun .. but then it got scared by the intensity of its experience and went into a fright and hid itself away for a long time fearing to come out
    Calvino Rabeni: so we resolved to watch its limits
    Calvino Rabeni: lot let it go past a certain point
    Lia Rikugun: thats interesting calvino
    Wol Euler nods thoughtfully.
    Mickorod Renard: mmm yes
    oO0Oo Resident: fitness landscape in ball of yarn
    Sunshine Vayandar: I love to see and experiment with this - how things calm down ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Excitement flipped to fear .. the difference is coping ability
    Sunshine Vayandar: I think for everyone it might be different
    Lia Rikugun: did you yourself have this experieence as well calvino?
    Sunshine Vayandar: but if one manages to be "in control of this - it's great
    Calvino Rabeni: it might be a little different true, but I think, we all have the same functional nature as mammals
    Mickorod Renard: imagines Cal jumping about like a kitten
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Sunshine Vayandar: turning tension into calm - negative into positive ...
    Calvino Rabeni: in common with other humans and even warm blooded vertebrates
    Lia Rikugun: a lot to explore definitely
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes Lia
    Sunshine Vayandar: I have been a teacher for long and love to experiment with this
    Lia Rikugun: nice
    Sunshine Vayandar: see how my students feel when they arrive and see if I can make them leave ina smiley happy mood
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: hello boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Lia Rikugun: hey alfred!
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi boxy ;)
    oO0Oo Resident: smiles are contagious
    Zon Kwan: alf
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Alf
    Aubergine Mint: hi boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: fancy hat girl :)
    Lugh Fehr: hey alph
    Calvino Rabeni: In a way, Lia, it's a common experience .. tension transformed, morphs into a fear like feeling or an excitement like feeling
    Sunshine Vayandar: they are sam ;)
    Sunshine Vayandar: true Cal
    Lia Rikugun: i need to think about this calvino, and see if i have some experiences like that
    Lia Rikugun: im wondering
    Lugh Fehr: yeey the fluts are back
    Mickorod Renard: reminds me of riding motorbikes Cal
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: same Mick
    Calvino Rabeni: I recall that too
    Mickorod Renard: sweat under the armpits
    Mickorod Renard: on the edge
    Lia Rikugun: sorry to leave you now, will meet pema eos stim gaya and eliza in a few minutes
    Lia Rikugun: take care you all
    Wol Euler: oh!
    Mickorod Renard: bye Lia
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty Lia - take care ;)
    Alfred Kelberry: mick, reckless youth? :)
    Wol Euler: give them my regards, I hope teh retreat is going well
    Mickorod Renard: is wok not on?
    Aubergine Mint: cya everyone
    Lia Rikugun: will do wol
    Lia Rikugun: byebye
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye lia
    Sunshine Vayandar: byebye aubergine
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye ginee
    Mickorod Renard: c ya aub
    Lugh Fehr: byebye :)
    Wol Euler: bye ginee
    oO0Oo Resident: :) lia ginee
    oO0Oo Resident: the energies themselves, without the judgements... they pass through, and phenomena become a Marc Chagall dance of colour
    Mickorod Renard: anyone going to WoK?
    Zon Kwan: ?
    Wol Euler: not I, not tonight
    Alfred Kelberry: btw, apparently, there's an italian version of wu wei called "dolce far niente" :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I will -
    Sunshine Vayandar: what is WoK?
    Calvino Rabeni: It is an ongoing workshop called
    Calvino Rabeni: Ways of Knowing
    Mickorod Renard: ways of knowing
    Calvino Rabeni: it happens in the Kira Cafe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://waysofknowing.kira.org/
    Sunshine Vayandar: what is it about
    Zon Kwan: now ?
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm never been
    Lugh Fehr: sweet not doing anything
    Wol Euler: actually, maybe I will. what's tonight's theme?
    Sunshine Vayandar: can I get the LM pls?
    Calvino Rabeni: It is a kind of contemplation group
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty Mick ;)
    Alfred Kelberry: sun, it's a walk distance from here :)
    Mickorod Renard: I get my days mixed up,,but I thi nk its tonite
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty Yaku also ;))
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, yaku bond :)
    Calvino Rabeni: It has its own wiki, sunshine
    Calvino Rabeni: http://waysofknowing.kira.org/
    Alfred Kelberry: nice tune, woly :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm really I love wikis ;)
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,am heading there now
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Zon Kwan: nite all
    oO0Oo Resident: night Ku
    Lugh Fehr: good night yaku
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll head on over there too - bye for now
    Sunshine Vayandar: nitenitee yaku
    Wol Euler: goodngiht all
    Mickorod Renard: nite anyone who is not going to see me in a few seconds
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    Lugh Fehr: bye bye people who aere leaving

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