2011.01.29 01:00 - Tinies and furries on a kibbutz in Bulgaria

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    Wol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session.

     

    Wol Euler: good morning, sam
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Wol
    Wol Euler: have you been following the protests in Egypt?
    oO0Oo Resident: Not following so much Wol, but saw some initial headlines. Twitter was being used... can you fill me in?
    Wol Euler: I've been reading retweets on Twitter, which seems to have become the instant-news source of choice
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure what the situation is this morning, but last night it looked grim.
    Wol Euler: molotov cocktails being tossed by the crowd, live ammuntion being used by the cops, indiscriminate use of teargas at extreme close range


    --BELL--


    Wol Euler: plainclothes cops beating journalists
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning
    Wol Euler: morning yaku!
    oO0Oo Resident: hey Yaku :)
    Wol Euler: mubarak ordered the internet shut down, and it remains down, but cellphones work so info is getting out that way
    Wol Euler: there's a twittter tag in use if you want to follow it: #jan25
    oO0Oo Resident: ty
    Wol Euler: http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23jan25
    Wol Euler: morning kit, hallo berti
    Kit Ciaco: pardon my tardiness....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey kit,arch, bert
    Bertram Jacobus: good morning from germany ! :-)
    Wol Euler: are you riding on Ganesh's rat?
    Kit Ciaco: LOL!
    Kit Ciaco: No - I'm making my own - something.....
    Wol Euler: hello arch
    oO0Oo Resident: Hey!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Kit, Bert, Yaku, Wol, O
    Archmage Atlantis: I get mixed up.......chapacubra is he demon goat.....the real giant rodent sounds similar
    Wol Euler: I thought of Ganesh since Kit's looks-like-a-rat is clearly her vehicle
    Archmage Atlantis: Capybara
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, Ganesh
    Archmage Atlantis: wrong mythology, oops
    Wol Euler laughs
    Wol Euler: it's all optional and conditional here today
    Archmage Atlantis: That is a really dangerous comment in my presence, Wol *g*
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Archmage Atlantis: Pets koi and tries to be calm and in the moment
    Wol Euler: U.S. Press Sec'y Gibbs: I'm Sorry, Which US-Supported Brutal Dictatorship Are We Referring To? #Egypt #jan25
    Wol Euler: (a current tweet that made me laugh)
    Archmage Atlantis: Oy
    Wol Euler: okay, that's enough politics from me today.
    Bertram Jacobus: sry friends i must leave already again. much to do in first life today
    Archmage Atlantis: I was introduced to the onion around the time I began this phase of my existence
    Archmage Atlantis: clever rag
    Wol Euler: bye bert, have a good retreaty thing
    Bertram Jacobus: ty wol ! and yaku for helping me with the 7 am slot today ...
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Bertram
    Archmage Atlantis: bye Bertram
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bert


    --BELL--


    Wol Euler: shall we use the break to just watch our breath?
    Kit Ciaco: yes
    oO0Oo Resident nods
    Archmage Atlantis: thk goodness for the bell
    Wol Euler smiles. How was that?
    Archmage Atlantis: nice
    oO0Oo Resident: s p a c i o u s
    Wol Euler: :) a nice description
    oO0Oo Resident: nice sees only nice
    Wol Euler: "mellow" is the word that came to my mind
    Wol Euler: awwww
    oO0Oo Resident: awww is such a nice expression
    oO0Oo Resident: if i understand it correctly
    Archmage Atlantis: mellow is a 6 month fruit cake soaked in rum or brandy
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: now... is that a precise def. Arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: awww has mor personal association
    Archmage Atlantis: No, could be 1 year or 3 months
    oO0Oo Resident: hehehheehe
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Archmage Atlantis: That actually reminds me of something odd over the last day or so
    Wol Euler: mm?
    Archmage Atlantis: The sirius station I listen to was playing holiday music
    Archmage Atlantis: Is orthodox christian christmas now........I thought we just passed the China New Year,, so my understanding of the pattern is flummoxed
    Wol Euler: yeah, that is a bit early to start again :)
    Wol Euler: perhaps the station is having a flashback?
    Archmage Atlantis: Or me, but yeah, that's it, the station is having a fb
    oO0Oo Resident: Chinese New Year Feb 3 2011
    Archmage Atlantis: ty Sammie
    Archmage Atlantis: I mean O
    oO0Oo Resident: yw
    Wol Euler: aaaah, maybe that's it.
    Wol Euler: though they should be playing chinese holiday music then O.O


    --BELL--


    Archmage Atlantis: I cn'd do the unusual character at the end of Samu (d)
    oO0Oo Resident: the last 2 are extended characters Arch
    oO0Oo Resident: no matter
    Archmage Atlantis: k
    Archmage Atlantis: names we choose to go by are important.......especially here
    oO0Oo Resident: things we have? but not are?
    Wol Euler: right :)
    Wol Euler: definitely not "are"
    Wol Euler: especially for those with alts
    Archmage Atlantis: Things we are, but others may not see.
    oO0Oo Resident: seeing might be a had as well
    oO0Oo Resident: it's an interesting question
    Yakuzza Lethecus: can being seeing as we are create the situation not changing into the direction of what we would like to be, being seen with fresh eyes each morning instead of being seeing in fixed patterns, i don't know if i see changes in persons when they change unless it reaches a seen level so i might act with a person the same even tho the person might change slightly but i might like my pattern and don't see a person as a new one every day
    Archmage Atlantis: Question have interest, they engage us.......it is perhaps being engaged in the question that is more importatnt
    Wol Euler: yaku, we all to often look at our concept of who a person is, rather than checking that against their current reality.
    Wol Euler: I do anyway.
    Wol Euler: trying to catch myself at it
    Archmage Atlantis: Catching one's own self, that is difficult, worthwhile also.........as long as it does not stop us from becoming
    Wol Euler: you might say that it encourages becoming: our preconception of who that-person-over-there is, is an attachment
    Wol Euler: seeing them afresh drops the attachment
    Wol Euler: (thinking out loud)
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: we have many opportunities to let go, then usually something kicks in again, but the awareness and the glimse seems worthwhile
    oO0Oo Resident: and to be not critical of ourselves in the process
    oO0Oo Resident: or notice that too


    --BELL--


    Kit Ciaco: Thanks for your time this morning! Gotta scoot along for now -
    Archmage Atlantis: When I was able to hear and speak to Yaku earlier, it was different.........Yaku is quite silent to me in these text chats......Yet Yaku was quite "present" in the voice chat........
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: bye kit, build well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care kit
    Wol Euler: true :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ride um Cow boy?
    oO0Oo Resident: bye Kit, Have fun creating!
    oO0Oo Resident: Something very grounding about voice chat Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Does the western film need revisioning.......cowboys, cowgirls, cow(fill in the blank(?
    Wol Euler: at least they no longer talk about "cowboys and indians"
    Archmage Atlantis: True, Wol, I don't think that would be Freud's fav part.
    Wol Euler: in my childhood it was absolutely a "given" that the indians were the villains, malicious and evil without cause.
    Wol Euler: wtf?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: A famous german actor ,,Helmut Lange" died this week, maybe he's only popular in germany, he played in ,,lederstrumpf".
    Wol Euler: oh, htat was Nio's head shouting :)
    oO0Oo Resident: hello nio
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Nio
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey nio
    nio Artful: hi.. to all
    Wol Euler: come and join us
    nio Artful: nice to see you
    oO0Oo Resident: Helmut war "old shatterhand" Yaku
    Wol Euler: brb, coffee cup is empty! (gasps)
    Wol Euler sips and smiles
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: You must be correct, Yaku, I can only find pages in German easily
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Well, cowboy and indian movies were very popular during the 60th, i don't recall good productions during my own lifetime.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: "in germany"
    oO0Oo Resident: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0486132/
    oO0Oo Resident: Helmut Lange
    Wol Euler: they've gone out of fashion generally, which is A Very Good Thing.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning lugh
    Lugh Fehr: goodmorning
    oO0Oo Resident: Lugh :)
    Wol Euler: and I htink Dances with Wolves can take some credit for that


    --BELL--


    Wol Euler: hello lugh
    Archmage Atlantis: I didn't know how easy it was to click on the "english" button in wikipedia
    Archmage Atlantis: Now I know a bit
    Wol Euler: hello barca, haven't seen you in ages.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey barca
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Barcalona
    Lugh Fehr: hellow
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi all
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i misssed u all
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but was very busy
    Barcalona Rhapsody: with other things
    oO0Oo Resident: aawww
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Well, the last movie i still really consider as one of my favorties with indians since there were no cowboys was ,,the last of the mohicans" i still get a gooseskin when i hear parts of the soundtrack.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Barca
    oO0Oo Resident: I like 'The New World'
    Wol Euler: ah, I didn't see that. Tell us about it?
    Archmage Atlantis: The Last of the Mohicans is a famous American Novel
    Barcalona Rhapsody: nice koi carpers in the fountain
    Archmage Atlantis: By Daniel Fenimore Cooper
    Archmage Atlantis: Considered a great writer
    Wol Euler: oh, htey're back!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually that's also what ,,Lederstrumpf" was based upon
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah
    Archmage Atlantis: to both
    Barcalona Rhapsody: maybe some Koi-friends for blub
    Archmage Atlantis: Ever try to move a full grown koi from one pond to another?......They can be a meter long.......and determined not to go *g*
    Lugh Fehr: hehe
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wonderful
    Lugh Fehr: i didnt know they grew that big
    Archmage Atlantis: yep
    Archmage Atlantis: they do
    Barcalona Rhapsody: there is an exhibition of japanese art of Katsushika Hokusai in Leiden Netherlands
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i will look for the url
    Barcalona Rhapsody: see : www.sieboldhuis.org
    oO0Oo Resident: ty
    Barcalona Rhapsody: thats nice
    Wol Euler: ty
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and i go tomorrow there
    Barcalona Rhapsody: great famous artist
    oO0Oo Resident: Katsushika Hokusai ... very nice!
    Archmage Atlantis: I need to go......if I am to make the other meetings I want to go to today, I need a nap.......ty all for being here....blessings and namste.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care arch
    Wol Euler: bye arch, enjoy the weekend
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye sleep well arch


    --BELL--


    oO0Oo Resident: rest well Arch, be well, :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi lugh
    Lugh Fehr: hey barca
    Lugh Fehr: :)
    Wol Euler: back, sorry, phone rang
    Lugh Fehr: did you guys see the zeitguest movies?
    Wol Euler: no
    oO0Oo Resident: yes, new one is out
    Barcalona Rhapsody: not yet
    Lugh Fehr: yes did you find it online?
    Lugh Fehr: you really got to see them their really good
    Barcalona Rhapsody: how did u call it ?
    Lugh Fehr: its moor of a documentery but done in a real fun way
    Lugh Fehr: zeitgeist
    Barcalona Rhapsody: zeitgeist
    Barcalona Rhapsody: oh yeah
    oO0Oo Resident: ZEITGEIST: Moving Forward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wonderful
    oO0Oo Resident: save for later
    Lugh Fehr: tnx aftert the meeting and a walk whit a dog ill see it :)
    oO0Oo Resident: yw
    Wol Euler: ty
    Barcalona Rhapsody: wonderful
    Barcalona Rhapsody: even translation in dutch
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and the whole film ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i see and hear it
    Barcalona Rhapsody: he learned to play monopoly
    oO0Oo Resident: Peter Joseph
    oO0Oo Resident: http://is.gd/wRDGFV
    oO0Oo Resident: Interesting man
    oO0Oo Resident: made the Zeitgeist films
    Lugh Fehr: we realy should listen to them and built our own country whitour own laws the sheep will just follow
    oO0Oo Resident: good to walk the dog also after watching one of these ;)
    Lugh Fehr: youd get stuff to thinck about :)


    --BELL--


    oO0Oo Resident: Along the lines of Zeitgeist films, may I also recommend: What a Way to Go: Life at the End of Empire http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/
    Lugh Fehr: tnnx
    Lugh Fehr: :)
    Wol Euler: wow (watching)
    Wol Euler: but I fear this will be a TL;DW
    oO0Oo Resident: It could be that the RL needs Tinies and Furries more than ever
    Wol Euler: absolutely
    Wol Euler: enough is enough
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: never enough Tinies and Furries
    oO0Oo Resident: ;)
    Wol Euler: my dears, I must go. I've got errands to run before the workday starts.
    Wol Euler: be tiny and furry, and be content with Enough.
    Lugh Fehr: byebye wol :)
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Wol, be well
    Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend, or See you later, as appropriate
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye wol
    Lugh Fehr: can someone explaine the tiny and furry thingy?
    Yakuzza Lethecus wonder too, but could imagine that tinys and furries have the effect that everyone would like to hug those
    Yakuzza Lethecus: kind of a trick to make each other compassionate ?
    oO0Oo Resident: My knowledge is limited, and perhaps Yaku would have more to say. As I know it, Tinies are merely small avatars, and furries are as animmals, or part animals in appearance.
    Lugh Fehr: heheh like small kittins
    Lugh Fehr: okioki :)
    Lugh Fehr: so you guys wonna built a city x)
    Lugh Fehr: hehe
    oO0Oo Resident: I mentioned them, because there is active discrimination against them in parts of SL
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I remember my sister saying ,,I AM A TEDDY" lately when she was wearing something fluffy.
    oO0Oo Resident: build a city?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: That was really cute and created a really nice atmosphere for a few minutes.
    Lugh Fehr: yeah like the zietgeist thing but for us
    Lugh Fehr: hehehe yaku
    oO0Oo Resident: the economy would be bound still by LL, but perhaps there are work arounds
    Lugh Fehr: ll?
    oO0Oo Resident: Linden Labs
    Lugh Fehr: no i meant a real life one
    Lugh Fehr: its very possible and quit easy
    oO0Oo Resident: oh, yes, I see
    Lugh Fehr: well a village not a city
    oO0Oo Resident listening
    Lugh Fehr: well i have it all worked out if you have MAX of 10 000 eur it is possible to be set for life if your willing to migrate and if you fing another 99 poeple youd have a comunity and like that is the way to go i thinck
    Lugh Fehr: some poeple cars come close to 10 000 so it wont be that much of a chore
    oO0Oo Resident: I am more tha willing to read a perspectus


    --BELL--


    Lugh Fehr: well basicly youd find 100 people whit the neccicery finence and you all meet in bulgaria where the land is cheap and quite fertail you buy the neccicery peice of land whit youd have moor then enugh whit 10 000 starting money each, build very easy to build dome houses buy solar pennels and farm the land, to get moor money for evry day stuff you cant provide the comunity will make festivals and that sort of money generating thing and just like that youd have your first resorsed based economy seeing money ony as a resorce for trad outside the comunity
    Lugh Fehr: even drainage can be worked out
    Yakuzza Lethecus: That reminds me on the system they had in Israel.
    oO0Oo Resident: Interesting Lugh and yes Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbuz
    oO0Oo Resident: RE: Israel
    oO0Oo Resident: ja
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
    Lugh Fehr: and im serious about it if i find 99 people then i will make it a realaty
    oO0Oo Resident: I have a few initial reactions if you wish to hear Lugh
    Lugh Fehr: yep i love too
    oO0Oo Resident: I believe for success, there needs to be a common enough, and/or agreed upon 'view' of what is and will be done, and how living and interacting will be motivated. That is one.
    Lugh Fehr: all critisisim will help to irion out the details :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Also, it is sometimes esier to start as a smaller seed group, who can show a working model
    oO0Oo Resident: and build a solid core
    Lugh Fehr: yes they are both true the first one is live and let live and youl entiteled to an equal share as evrybody els have and the land have its own share
    Lugh Fehr: and the core thing yes i thinck thats the way to go
    Lugh Fehr: so just 9 people :)
    Lugh Fehr: hehe
    oO0Oo Resident: another thought, is that although the umbrella country is perhaps fortuitous in some respects, there will still occur, financial/political/social dependencies, which may be less stable, or challenging.
    oO0Oo Resident: the final thought is
    oO0Oo Resident: people behave as people, wherever you go, so if you are to create a new/utopian situation, you must have better ideas about how the common problems of people together will be handled
    oO0Oo Resident: after this, I think it is still worth looking into, and I wish you luck
    Lugh Fehr: tnx :) and tnx for the ideas
    Lugh Fehr: if the wave apears ill ride it to the end


    --BELL--


    oO0Oo Resident: yw, and truly, you can make thngs happen like this. Focus etc
    Lugh Fehr: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: There are many such groups around the world. You can visit, reserch, take what works
    oO0Oo Resident: Kibbutz is a good model in many respects
    Lugh Fehr: what i need to do is let it grow true my life im learning neccicery skills to and then idther it flowers or dies and truns to dirt hehe
    Lugh Fehr: its the europeon aboriginal revival
    Lugh Fehr: break off from the roman empier we call western civilasation
    oO0Oo Resident: the flower is in your growing, nothing can defeat your unfolding
    Lugh Fehr: hmm i dont thinck i agree their are alot of things that can deafet me
    Lugh Fehr: even a simple car hehee
    oO0Oo Resident: ??
    oO0Oo Resident: car is not you
    Lugh Fehr: yes but it can run over me :P
    oO0Oo Resident: if death is defeat, then I'm afraid we all lose someday
    Lugh Fehr: heh :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Hmm, now i think on the yesterdays time session again, play as if nothing were missing.
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident appreciates Yaku's insightful shift
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Actually i constantly think of staying connected with ,,healty" communities.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I appreciated ur way of criticizing lugh's community model and really presenting thoughts on it instead of just saying, ,,that's weired". In real life even the ppl i am close to like my family wouldn't really go into these idea's if they appear to me.
    Lugh Fehr: thats one of the resons i would whant to live in that comunity
    Yakuzza Lethecus: This moment is really what i grasp for.


    --BELL--


    Yakuzza Lethecus: I was lately thinking about another human right, the right of not only free speech, the right on elaborated criticism to our thoughs when they are appearing on which level ever without any fear that we end up in a mental drawer.
    Lugh Fehr: nods yes very true
    oO0Oo Resident: IMy experience of living in intentional communities, is that it is a good way to get feedback on who we are, though not always pleasant. When willing to stay with others who are different from us, we will get many views reflected back to us, and us to them.
    oO0Oo Resident: The best if these communities, IMHO, realise to come back to a place of non-judgement as apractice.
    Lugh Fehr: its simmiler you dont know what youve got till its gone
    oO0Oo Resident: what you describe in a way Yaku, is compassion
    Yakuzza Lethecus: In the past i put myself in drawers, i thought i wasn't good with languages, had to redo a year because of it at middleschool and alike but what i later noticed was that i still learned it implicitly when i got out of my ,,being a bad student role" and just used it without activating my ,,this sucks and i suck in it" pattern. So ever since i am interested in this personal roleplay of myself and how others apply roles to ourselves as well.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Where do i learn, were do i trust, do i feel i can say what i really think at a particular moment.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: And there are so many things that i or i also think others learn without even noticing it.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Creating an artifical environent mgiht open our minds for the things we lost and didn't see that we had em before.
    oO0Oo Resident: something is noticing Yaku
    oO0Oo Resident: something must notice
    Lugh Fehr: its like and artform that hasnt beein created yet ... the art of manipulating your own caracter
    Lugh Fehr: i like to resarch theat now and agin to find little tricks


    --BELL--


    Lugh Fehr: we are comming from a culture that atributs the carrecter to somthing that is deep deep down not somthing like the body feed it well and treat it well and it will be healthy and you can even get plastic surgery
    Lugh Fehr: but changing your own carecter is a slight taboo
    oO0Oo Resident: I like to think we are llike a garden, even a rich forest (wild). Seeds are being planted, many and continuously. As life proceeds, the forest grows, as a multi-faceted thing, and we grow in so many ways that only dawn upon us later.
    oO0Oo Resident: paying attention to what to accept and what to reject is a way of guiding
    Lugh Fehr: and now we are talking about geinse to close it much moor in a clastrophibic box
    oO0Oo Resident: genuis Lugh?
    Lugh Fehr: no ermm the dna stuff
    oO0Oo Resident: ahhh
    oO0Oo Resident: i see
    Lugh Fehr: ;)
    oO0Oo Resident: ty
    Yakuzza Lethecus: God, grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference.
    Lugh Fehr: :) hehe very nice
    oO0Oo Resident: compassion, Yaku
    Lugh Fehr: is that the real us the power of influence?
    oO0Oo Resident: in 500 years, what will be the next claustrophhobia Luph? hehe
    Lugh Fehr: or the most real us?
    Lugh Fehr: maby in 500 years we will be on the other side yelling for moor order and artificialness
    oO0Oo Resident: In each present moment, we can choose... I think
    oO0Oo Resident: so, like Yaku says, be looking for healthy community
    Lugh Fehr: free will seem to me like a big real contradiction on one hand we do have it on the other no it depends on what room of mind you in
    oO0Oo Resident: so we do what we can
    oO0Oo Resident: when we can
    oO0Oo Resident: orientating
    Lugh Fehr: we do what we whant but what we whant we do not choose
    oO0Oo Resident: oh? :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Yes, i like that sentence lugh, it comes close to my thoughts very often :)
    Lugh Fehr: like a computer whant to shut down when you press the off button but it only whant that becouse it was programed to do so but at a sertine room of mind we can be the programers our self but we still do what we whant so its not freewill
    oO0Oo Resident: what is incomplete in the perfection of the algebra of the mind, can perhaps be made up for in expanding the heart, to cover that which we cannot solve
    Lugh Fehr: and also i thinck we should join forces and make it a moor unified resarch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, you both, very much!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
     

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