Page last modified 10:07, 3 Apr 2011 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian for this session.*

Wol Euler: good morning obs

Wol Euler: if you'd like to step out of your role briefly, we are celebrating our third birthday this weekend

Wol Euler: you'd be welcome to join us

Wol Euler: (if not, that's fine too, whatever you are comfortable with)

*Observerm remains silent, just outside the circle.*

eggsalad Ormstein: hi wol

Wol Euler: hello egg

Wol Euler: nice new dress :)

eggsalad Ormstein: ty. any good news today?

Wol Euler: new shoes too?

eggsalad Ormstein: no, these are my favorite old shoes

Wol Euler: ah :)

Wol Euler: well,have a glass of champagne to celebrate our birtthday, while I get my first cup of coffee :)

eggsalad Ormstein: none for me, but thanks

Wol Euler: sköl

eggsalad Ormstein: prosit!

Wol Euler smiles and raises her mug

Wol Euler: the party started yesterday with a tour of our previous locations, and then music and fireworks

eggsalad Ormstein: well, sorry I missed that!

Wol Euler: hello rhi, hello paloma

Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Wol; this is my friend paloma

Paloma Porta: hellos :))

--BELL--

Wol Euler: welcome paloma, have you been here before?

Paloma Porta: No I have n't :)

Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Egg

Wol Euler: okay, this is a meditation and discussion group called Play as Being. We meet here 4x daily to talk about our practices, and this weekend to celebrate our third birthday :)

Wol Euler: I'll give you a notecard about us

Rhiannon Dragoone: Oh, Happy Birthday

eggsalad Ormstein: hi rhia

Rhiannon Dragoone: And here I thought the cake was for me

Rhiannon Dragoone: lol

Rhiannon Dragoone: At least you didn't ask me to pop out of it.

Wol Euler chuckles.

Wol Euler: you'

Wol Euler: you'd have to get dressed for that

Paloma Porta: reading the nc Thank you

Wol Euler: we record these meetings and publish them on our website, http://wiki.playasbeing.org/

Rhiannon Dragoone: Um, noooo

Rhiannon Dragoone: At least not irl

Wol Euler: may we have your permission to include your SL name and your comments in the published log?

Rhiannon Dragoone: ack, i've sipped the champagne and now I'm floating above my cushion

Paloma Porta: we should try being drunk in sl for a day?

Wol Euler: just click on the cushion to change pose, that usually fixes the floating

Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi observum

Wol Euler: Paloma, may we have your permission to include your SL name and your comments in the published log?

Paloma Porta: yes

Wol Euler: ty

Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Yakkuzza!

Yakuzza Lethecus: stop

Wol Euler: good morning yaku

Wol Euler: sorry, I'm a bit distracted today

eggsalad Ormstein: by my stunning good looks?

Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, why's that, Wol

Wol Euler: that must be it :)

Wol Euler: unless it's the cuteness of obs' new teddy-av

Rhiannon Dragoone: you are a hottie, egg

eggsalad Ormstein: so sweet of you to say, rhia

Rhiannon Dragoone: Just hoping you'll return the compliment for little ole me.

--BELL--

Paloma Porta: You look fab egg and Wol

Paloma Porta: all of you

Paloma Porta: !

Wol Euler: ty :)

eggsalad Ormstein: rhia, you are beyond tha concept of beauty

Rhiannon Dragoone blushes

eggsalad Ormstein: your beauty comes from your soul

Rhiannon Dragoone: ty, egg; a lot of people in sl forget that, which is wierd

Rhiannon Dragoone: We're all just representations of our ture selves here, and irl, that's also true.

Rhiannon Dragoone: But here, it should be obvious

Yakuzza Lethecus: well i think it's better in secondlife then in real life

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: with certain caveats, of course. Most SL cats are human in RL, for example

Wol Euler: at least bodily, perhaps not their souls as you said

Rhiannon Dragoone: lol Wol

Rhiannon Dragoone: Especially the real cool cats

Yakuzza Lethecus: here we all know that someone "ugly" could have the prettiest avatar, or someone hot tired of getting hit upon and flat conversations is taking an ugly and controversion avi

Wol Euler nods.

Rhiannon Dragoone: Yaku, we all "know" that but we forget it.

Rhiannon Dragoone: Or at least the immersives do

Wol Euler: true, it's amazing how strong our reaction to body is

Wol Euler: even knowing the diffrerence between our RL bodies and our SL avs, we still get attracted to avs here

Paloma Porta: SL frees the mind of the avatar perhaps ; in rl one is stuck with an avie - but in SL we free our minds of the avatar it can almost be anything one wishes. This is a release to many?

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i think to some extend a concept of beauty is kind of fixed wired through nurture in the unconcious

Yakuzza Lethecus: so i still appreaciate pretty avatars of course and don't "just forget"

Rhiannon Dragoone: There was a discussion I couldn't go to, as I had to work, but it was on how our clothes affect our practice, and also how they affect other people's perceptions of us; here in sl, it would be our avatars too.

eggsalad Ormstein: see, in sl, I go for people who have ordinary-looking avatars

Yakuzza Lethecus: i think longer exposure to virtual worlds will have an impact on our concepts

Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, gee, thanks egg. So I'm ordinary now? lol

Paloma Porta: egg "go for" ? rapport or attracted to ..er sexually perhaps?? (sorry)

eggsalad Ormstein: well, rhia. yes. you have the body that looks like it could be on a rl woman

Rhiannon Dragoone: Don't be sorry, Paloma; it's a good question

eggsalad Ormstein: paloma: emotionally attracted to

Rhiannon Dragoone: look at my 1st life picture, egg; it is on a rl woman.

Rhiannon Dragoone the real life woman behind the ccomputer screen waves at egg

eggsalad Ormstein: that's what I mean

Paloma Porta: I would argue the weirder avies (?) have the weirder mind behing which one feels telepathically

eggsalad Ormstein: your av doesn't look like barbie

Rhiannon Dragoone: Only about 15 years younger; I know it doesn't look 15, but that's how old I was when the picture was taken.

eggsalad Ormstein: this is why I wear a dress

Wol Euler: I'd agree that an av that has clearly been worked on is a sign of an interesting mind

Rhiannon Dragoone: egg, yah; my first avatar did, but I thought this would be more authentic

Rhiannon Dragoone: er, 10 years younger is what i meant; when i was 15

eggsalad Ormstein: zoiks, is that legal?

Paloma Porta: 5 years younger - a typo ?? hehe

Wol Euler: jailbait :)

Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, I said i was 18, that makes it legal, right?

Rhiannon Dragoone: lol

Paloma Porta: I rarely say my age in rl - i like the separation

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: and I feel exactly the opposite

Rhiannon Dragoone: i only say my age when I feel I can trust the person with the info.

Paloma Porta: Sl is my platform for a second life . not an extension of facebook !!

Wol Euler: exactly

Rhiannon Dragoone: ok, so I lied about my age; so sue me. lol

Wol Euler: which is why the Lindens' current mania for RL identity is so worrying

eggsalad Ormstein: see, I think there's a human being behind the av, and that's who I want to know

Wol Euler nods.

Rhiannon Dragoone: An extension of facebook; that's a horribgle idea

Paloma Porta: I am not saying this is true and should be agreed with .heavens no!!! Each must do there own thing - in my book

Rhiannon Dragoone: egg, yeah, there always is

Rhiannon Dragoone: What mania for RL identity?

Paloma Porta: hehe Ufo sightings are many and reliable - perhaps there are aliens among us who have logged in ??

Wol Euler peers closely at Rhi.

Rhiannon Dragoone: They just want your email address, unless you want age verification. Then you borrow your big sister's ID, just like irl

eggsalad Ormstein: I also think some people are dissatisfied with their rl, and come to sl to find a better place

Wol Euler: that's definitely true, eg

Rhiannon Dragoone: Wol, lol

Wol Euler: the handicapped for example, or there is a large autistic community in SL

--BELL--

Paloma Porta: Hands up who wants to upload their mind into their sl vavatar ?

eggsalad Ormstein: whereas I am perfectly satisfied with my life and who I am

Yakuzza Lethecus: well, partly sl is a better place considering that we safe the planet through not using 10 tons of kerosine each meeting :P

Wol Euler chuckles.

Yakuzza Lethecus: i really wonder how the transition in the perception of value will change in the future

Paloma Porta: safety is a key issue Rhi pointed this out to me earlier today : this was re people safely expressing their dark side here - latex and so forth (hooray)

Yakuzza Lethecus: for me value especially monetary value is still fixed to material goods

Wol Euler nods to Paloma

Wol Euler: people can experiment here in safety, with things that would be dangerous or expensive or impossible in RL

eggsalad Ormstein: hmm, I'm probably darker in rl

Wol Euler: interesting :)

Wol Euler: my RL is very vanilla

Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i don't even know if i am different in real life, the thoughts are the same

Paloma Porta: ahaa egg perhaps there are many with full real lives in sl -but i doubt it

Rhiannon Dragoone: Exactly, wol.

eggsalad Ormstein: you may very well be right, paloma

Wol Euler: I tend to get a little punchy around this point in the conversation :)

Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, I've met some who are virtually identical in both worlds.

Paloma Porta: I am a lot different here. Paloma is Leo i think and "I" am pisces..Paloma is very arrogant and outgoing. "I" am much less so

Rhiannon Dragoone: And then there are role players.

Wol Euler: I'm annoyed by the presumption that we are here because our "real" lives are inadequate.

Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, that's true of some people, and it depends on what you mean. Some people are here to augment their rl; doesn't mean it's inadequate, only that they can do things here they can't there.

Wol Euler nods.

Rhiannon Dragoone: Like fly, for instance

Wol Euler: or be a cat

Rhiannon Dragoone: Go to book discussions, though; as they might not have any where they live

Rhiannon Dragoone: Right, Wol; or a dragon.

Wol Euler nods. It is much easier to find communities of interest in SL than in many people's physical locations

Rhiannon Dragoone: Paloma is from the UK, i would never meet anyone like her where I live; doesn't mean I have an inadequate social life.

Rhiannon Dragoone: you can have a perfedtly adequate social life and not meet any British person ever.

Wol Euler chuckles.

Yakuzza Lethecus: in rl i can only go to a philosophy meeting every wednesday, i have to drive to get there, i have to get dressed a bit better then if i hang around at home

Paloma Porta: to replicate this meeting in rl would cost us thousands of er....dollars....thats presupposing we could get plane flights of 3 seconds journey time

Yakuzza Lethecus: -> i need double the time since i have to drive and prepare

Yakuzza Lethecus: and i can't google there since i am not too skilled in most of the subjects

Wol Euler nods.

Yakuzza Lethecus: so sl is perfect

Wol Euler: agreed :)

Rhiannon Dragoone: there are no philosophy discussions where I live, and yeah, I come to them here attired completely different than in rl.

Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, Yaku, exactly.

Paloma Porta: i needto learn to type

Wol Euler: you

Wol Euler: you're doing fine, paloma :)

Paloma Porta: i find it very fristrating...i type so slowly

Rhiannon Dragoone: yaku, SL isn't perfect by any means.

Wol Euler: practice :)

Wol Euler: but yes, 10-finger typing is a skill worth learning.

Paloma Porta: 10 fingers !!!! wow

eggsalad Ormstein: I just prefer not to have f2f human interaction

Rhiannon Dragoone: No webcams for you, then, egg

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: oh no, I don't even own one

Yakuzza Lethecus: well, here it's more **c2c** :P

Yakuzza Lethecus: **consciousness to consciousness**

Rhiannon Dragoone: Yaku, yeah, it is that; although some people prefer avi to avi contact; no IM's for them.

Rhiannon Dragoone: When I've had discussions in my group IM, some people ask to be tp'd.

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: I like to look at hte people I'm talking to, generally

Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder if we are all soon standing or sitting in front of our screens with motioncapture devices

eggsalad Ormstein: people in close proximity always bothers me

Wol Euler: I hope not!

Yakuzza Lethecus: so we would have a whole new level of interaction :D

Wol Euler: imagine not being able to scratch your butt or pick your nose!

Rhiannon Dragoone: Yaku, motion capture devices?

--BELL--

Wol Euler: though I suppose people survive RL meetings without doing that ...

Yakuzza Lethecus: starting from project nathal/ Kinect for xbox 360

Yakuzza Lethecus: but i guess there will be more sensor devices for the masses soon

Yakuzza Lethecus: friends of mine used for example headtracking and input devices with more tacticle feedback before

Yakuzza Lethecus: like the novint falcon and trackIR

eggsalad Ormstein: good, then I can retreat more and more

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

Rhiannon Dragoone: Can you imagine it when they implant chips so that virtual life will be indistinguisble from rl, at least as the brain perceives it?

Paloma Porta: the future of SL is the stuff of science fiction...Azimov and so forth . holograms and oyher perceptions

Wol Euler: we already live in the future (points around herself)

Paloma Porta: I'd love to put the screen on one of those huge tv's

Yakuzza Lethecus: or directly drawn on ur retina paloma :P

Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/17/b...your-eye-bisc/

Paloma Porta: sure ..great idea

Wol Euler: wow.

Wol Euler: I can imagine so many uses for that.

Wol Euler: walking down the street, asking "how old is that house"?

Wol Euler: or "what bird is that?"

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes and these tools are already in development and partly exist on smartphones

Yakuzza Lethecus: it's just the user interfaces

Yakuzza Lethecus: the connectivity to the cloud :P

Wol Euler nods.

Paloma Porta: well sci-fi predicts or maps the future a little....we will all be on the net in implanted chips....which will include full video etcetc to replace email

Yakuzza Lethecus: i have a new internet connection since this week and this mobile connection is actually 5-6 times faster then the landline we had

Wol Euler: congratulations :)

Paloma Porta: happy for you :/ lol

Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, it's just an aspect considering us running around and being connected

Yakuzza Lethecus: the premise was on mobile for me

Paloma Porta: ohhh

Yakuzza Lethecus: being in secondlife anywhere you actually are, on your iphone or android

Wol Euler nods.

Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i love being on my phone, right Wol?

Rhiannon Dragoone: lol

eggsalad Ormstein: oh, I do not like that level of connectivity

Wol Euler: I would *hope* that it would be optional, and loaded with privacy features

Rhiannon Dragoone: yaku, that's awesome about your internet connection; I'm hoping to get DSL eventally; on satellite now

Wol Euler: I don't want to be broadcasting my every gesture and unconscious noise that I make

eggsalad Ormstein: but young people have an entirely different concept of privacy now

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: people will tweet that they just pooped

Paloma Porta: there voyeurism and exhibitionism also to consider..privacy is not a alsways desired thing

Wol Euler: nor do I always want the whole world to know whcih store I just walked out of

Wol Euler: sure,paloma,but they need to be optional

Wol Euler: the trouble to us oldies (nods to egg) is that systems like facebook are set up by default to be anti-privacy

Wol Euler: they default to telling everyone everything

Yakuzza Lethecus: i am afk for 20-30 minutes

Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, see you, yaku; i'll be gone by the time you get back.

Rhiannon Dragoone: Should leave now, actgually; it's late for me.

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: it's 2:15 here

Wol Euler: goodnight rhi, it was nice to see you again

Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, you too Wol

Rhiannon Dragoone: And paloma, take care

Paloma Porta: I am not on facebbook i deleted myself....rl is mired in redundant issues for me....sl is cleaner somehow.

Wol Euler: agreed

Paloma Porta: see soon Rhi

Wol Euler: erm, sorry, I misread what you'd said, scrub that.

Wol Euler: bye for now

Rhiannon Dragoone: bye for now

--BELL--

Paloma Porta: why is it i chat in sl and dislike chat in facebook?

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: it's because of the avatars, the embodiment that they bring

Wol Euler: (imho ymmv)

Wol Euler: and perhaps also because fb is crap :)

eggsalad Ormstein: my fb friends are people I don't care to chat with, else I would chat with them, rather than reading their antics on FB

Wol Euler smiles.

Paloma Porta: I can't pin it down for the monment

Paloma Porta: ahaa its the news...rl news I don't watch it!!

Paloma Porta: fb discusses the rl world..and the news and antics of politicians and the price of fish ..as if..as if..there was somerthing to learn there!!

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: too much of "news" is just gossip

Wol Euler: who the hell cares what [fake celebrity] said about what [other fake celebrity] wore last night

Wol Euler grumbles

Paloma Porta: "OH my i wne to the shops and the prices have gone upagain and i sed to my friend this always happens when we get an oil crisis its just the big corporations ripping us off as usual and this weather doesn't help with it wet all the time my daughter can't get her hair dry when she goes to school and the shcool is no help cos they don't care like they id in the old days it was better then when my father was alive...."

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: hello Visitor

Wol Euler: have you been here before?

Visitor: hi wol...........

Paloma Porta: hello Visitor:))

Visitor: hi

Wol Euler: have you been here before?

*There is a short pause, then he silently TPs away.*

Wol Euler: see, this is one of the many reasons why I think viewer2 is shite. Newbies simply don't see many chat messages because (a) they pop up in that ridiculous little chatbox, and (b) they don't yet know where to look.

Paloma Porta: ohh really

Wol Euler: well that's what I infer is going on :)

--BELL--

Paloma Porta: i am viewer one based..i tried v2 i was lost

eggsalad Ormstein: good night all

Wol Euler: 'night egg, sleep well

Paloma Porta: too late ..gone..nn egg..lol

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: he'll read it in the log, perhaps,

Wol Euler: note to self: Visitor never replied, anonymize him

Paloma Porta: hehe

Paloma Porta: anonymize ?

Wol Euler: well, as I asked you for permission to quote you

Wol Euler: he didn't reply so in effect he didn't give permission

Wol Euler: I'll change his name to "Visitor" in the published log

Paloma Porta: ahaaa

Wol Euler: we have to be careful about that, the Terms of Service forbid publishing SL chat out of world

Wol Euler: without permission

Paloma Porta: right

Paloma Porta: and its fair

Wol Euler: sure

Paloma Porta: Ok then If i may leave and thank you ?

Yakuzza Lethecus: take care paloma

Wol Euler: bye paloma, it was nice meeting you.

Paloma Porta: Indded thank you for your hospitality :))

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: our pleasure

Wol Euler: wander well :)

Paloma Porta: Thank you

Wol Euler: I'm going to move on as well, I have shopping to do

Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i am also moving cleaning the whole flat in front of me

Yakuzza Lethecus: "es vor sich her schieben"

Wol Euler: I did see your comment earlier about how online life may change our ideas of value, yaku

Wol Euler: but there wasn'T a good time to return to that.

Wol Euler: we'll save the topic for anohter time :)

Wol Euler: in english we'd say that you are putting off cleaning the flat

Yakuzza Lethecus: take care wol

Wol Euler: you too

Wol Euler: bye for now

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