2011.04.02 13:00 - The PAB Community: Is it a sangha?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.


    Aphrodite Macbain: Heeyyy Pema!
    Pema Pera: hiya Aphro!
    Aphrodite Macbain: How's California?
    Pema Pera: wonderful !!!
    Pema Pera: I left with snowy rain
    Pema Pera: or rainy snow
    Pema Pera: and now I'm in heave again :)
    Pema Pera: +n
    Aphrodite Macbain: Here's something else wonderful. The poem we all wrote this morning (Aphro points to the poem mounted  on a poster behind her)
    Pema Pera: hi everybody!
    Pema Pera: yes?
    Aphrodite Macbain: to my left
    Aphrodite Macbain: Heyyy everyone
    Aphrodite Macbain: welcome
    Bleu Oleander: what a great show Sun and company did for us!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Pema, hi everyone again :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: I stayed for about 15 minutes
    Bruce Mowbray: THAT was simply wonderful!
    Aphrodite Macbain: very impressed.
    Aphrodite Macbain: See the poem that Bleu posted?
    Pema Pera reading poem, tasting the words . . . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: we made it up at the party
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Liza
    Liza Deischer: hi everyone
    Bleu Oleander: anyone can take a copy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: reading it :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks so much. Let's hear it for collective creation!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Cheers
    Pema Pera: what a great piece!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hahah
    Bleu Oleander: APPLAUSE  APPLAUSE

    Liza Deischer: that was a hell of a show :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes it was great
    Pema Pera: can you put it in the log, Aphro, just by echoing the text here in the local chat?
    Bleu Oleander: really great
    Aphrodite Macbain: Um Yes. I'll try. Hold on
    Pema Pera: nice to keep the words
    Bleu Oleander: the poem?
    Wol Euler: hello everyone
    Bleu Oleander: I can paste it into the text
    Pema Pera: yes, please!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. Bleu, could you past it into the chat?
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening :) [again]
    Bleu Oleander: sure
    Pema Pera: or just right here now
    Aphrodite Macbain: hi aggers
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi aGGERS
    SophiaSharon Larnia: eep caps
    Agatha Macbeth: hi sHAZ1 :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: 'p
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you name is so great i had to shout it
    Liza Deischer: somebody is having voice on
    Aphrodite Macbain: I was hoping we might talk today about the PaB community
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm not deaf yet :p
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D

    Here is the poem:

    Bleu (bleu.oleander):         The question of who I was consumed me.

    Aphrodite Macbain:             the question of who I was consumed me... can you add to that Paloma?

    Paloma Porta:                     Who am I? I asked the trees?

    Medora Chevalier:              Their answer, on the breezes so amused me

    SophiaSharon Larnia:          they whispered words that I couldn't catch in the breeze

    Aphrodite Macbain:            teasingly, they tasted the air

    Eliza Madrigal:                      we shared

    Sun (sunshine.vayandar):     the sound seemed so mystical so light and free

    Calvino Rabeni:                     Soon breeze, grass, stone and brook joined in a four part chorus

    Calvino Rabeni:                     You are who sings

    Wol (wol.euler):                    We are your song, and you are of us.

    Aphrodite Macbain:               a chorus of identities blending into one

    Bleu (bleu.oleander):           music heard so deeply

    Medora Chevalier:                 and sung so sweetly

    Paloma Porta:                       The music of life and her mystery

    Sun (sunshine.vayandar):     It's music that shows you how to be

    junivers Stockholm:              the music showed me the way


    Bleu (bleu.oleander):           i sing it's song

    Sun (sunshine.vayandar):      and it sings me

    SophiaSharon Larnia:             each a unique appearance, how can that be? Awe that blows away my words...

    Aphrodite Macbain:             in a violent rush of love

    Eliza Madrigal:                     alone

    Paloma Porta:                     There are no words - just blissful tears

    Bleu (bleu.oleander):         dancing through the trees of music

    SophiaSharon Larnia:         and joins the whispering of the tree

    Calvino Rabeni:                  in fervent ardor to be ...

    Medora Chevalier:              and to become

    Aphrodite Macbain:             becalmed

    Paloma Porta:                     uplifted

    Aphrodite Macbain:             bereft. and beautiful!


    Aphrodite Macbain: We will now have dancing under the tree


    Aphrodite Macbain: especially since it has gone through so many changes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh wonderful Bleu. Thank you
    Agatha Macbeth puts her glasses on
    Aphrodite Macbain: It will be saved in the log
    Pema Pera: hahha
    Bleu Oleander: a little out of line, but it's there

    Aphrodite Macbain: Hem hem: Community definitions

    Aphrodite Macbain: Definition 1. Community is a way of relating to other persons as brothers and sisters who share a common origin, a common dignity, and a common destiny. Community involves learning to live in terms of an interconnected "we" more than an isolated "I'. It involves making choices which reinforce the experience of relatedness and foster the sense of belonging and interdependence. Community begins, but does not end, in our face to face relationships with the persons who are closest to us. ..from Making Life Choices by Margaret Betz

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Definition 2.  A community is best defined as a group of people who, regardless of the diversity of their backgrounds, have been able to accept and transcend their differences, enabling them to communicate effectively and openly and to work together toward goals identified as being for their common good.

    Aphrodite Macbain: Definition 3.  A community is a group of two or more people who have been able to accept and transcend their differences regardless of the diversity of their backgrounds (social, spiritual, educational, ethnic, economic, political, etc.) This enables them to communicate effectively and openly and to work together toward goals identified as being for their common good. The word community. . . can refer to a specific group of people (a geographical community, a church congregation) or it can describe a quality of relationship based on certain values and principles.

    Aphrodite Macbain: Definition 4.  Reaching community is both intentional and challenging. The group process requires that an individual give up learned defenses and habitual way of behaving. Through increased responsibility, risk and vulnerability of its members, a group develops into a "safe place" providing an environment of acceptance, appreciation of human diversity, and nurturance of personal growth, healing and self-discovery.

    Aphrodite Macbain: Definition 5. Emptiness is a central to the community building process. A challenging place to enter and inhabit emptiness is fertile ground for the growth of personal insights and deeper relationships. Community Building is a powerful process - a technology and a discipline -which helps us learn about ourselves and relate to others in new ways.
    Aphrodite Macbain: (I rather like that one)

    Aphrodite Macbain: Definition 6. A Learning Community is a group that can live the experience of authentic community. Competent and capable of vulnerable and authentic communication, individuals have developed their capacity to attend simultaneously to their own and the group's consciousness.

    Aphrodite Macbain: I didn't want overwhelm you but give you some ideas around which we could talk about our PaB community

    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Aph
    Pema Pera: many great lines and thoughts, Aph!
    Agatha Macbeth is overwhelmed already
    Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder what kind of community we could call ourselves
    Pema Pera mulling over the line "The group process requires that an individual give up learned defenses and habitual way of behaving. "
    Wol Euler: #6 seems to me to fit quite well, especially at retreats
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i hadnt considered #5 in that context
    Liza Deischer: this is all going too fast for a Dutch girl....
    Aphrodite Macbain: no rush. Think of it personally.
    Bleu Oleander: too fast for an arizona girl too
    Liza Deischer: hehe
    Aphrodite Macbain: Have your connections with PaB been one-on-one or as part of a larger whole?
    Agatha Macbeth: Both, in my experience
    Bleu Oleander: both
    Storm Nordwind: The two things are not mutually exclusive. They happen at the same time.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I feel this community has been one that has shared many of my aspirations
    Aphrodite Macbain: a place that sort of feels like "home"
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Bruce Mowbray: PaB is the ONE reason I am still in SL at all.
    Aphrodite Macbain: not the same as a clique
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am both astonished and safe here

    Sun arrives

    Liza Deischer: there is our performer
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey SUNSHINE!~
    Liza Deischer: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE A BIG APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    Aphrodite Macbain: yayyyyyy!
    Bruce Mowbray: APPLAUSE!!

    Bleu Oleander: APPLAUSE APPLAUSE

    Sunshine Vayandar: so nice u enjoyed

    Aphrodite Macbain: welcome You are SO much a part of this community Sun
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Sun!!
    Agatha Macbeth: Here comes the Sun :)
    Bruce Mowbray: It was absolutely wonderful, Sun!
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)))) you make me teary ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: that's nice
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    Liza Deischer: hehehe
    Bleu Oleander: ((((Sun))))
    Sunshine Vayandar: ((((bleu&pab)))))
    Agatha Macbeth drinks to that

    Community as sangha
    Aphrodite Macbain: Pila- you mentioned to me that community is like the sangha
    Aphrodite Macbain: a place of refuge
    Pila Mulligan: yes, earlier we talked about degrees of community
    Pila Mulligan: the highest degree of community (in this sense) may be the idea of sangha
    Aphrodite Macbain: hey cal
    Pema Pera: sanghas tend to run into snags :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hehe
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Cal ;)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: as do most communities
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Cal
    Pila Mulligan: snags?
    Calvino Rabeni: Good day :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Cal
    Bleu Oleander: communities take work!
    Wol Euler nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, collaboration isn't easy!
    Aphrodite Macbain: battling egos!
    Pila Mulligan: that's where intent plays a big part
    Pema Pera: yes, I'm stilling mulling over the 6 definitions: the #2 is great too: "able to accept and transcend their differences"
    Agatha Macbeth: No egos here
    Pila Mulligan: what do you want
    Bleu Oleander: hehe :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps we are mix of those definitions.
    Pema Pera: and the "accept" is perhaps more important than the "transcend"
    Bruce Mowbray: We have all "worked" on ourselves - - and are better for that.
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are also virtual (tho maybe not virtuous)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Kodo ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods thoughtfully
    Wol Euler: hello kodo, nice to see you again
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes acceptance is harder Pema
    Kodo Islay: hi
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Kodo
    Kodo Islay: hi folks
    Aphrodite Macbain: hiya Kodo, welcome
    Aphrodite Macbain: we're talking about our community
    Bleu Oleander: hi Kodo
    Bruce Mowbray: We have also worked on the community -- and each has "stretched" in her acceptance of each, and of the whole.
    Kodo Islay: listening
    Bruce Mowbray: /me also listening.
    Bruce Mowbray is sitting on coffee mug.
    Pila Mulligan: the most challenging part of maintaining a community in RL is economy -- SL makes it simpler here in that sense (thanks to the generousity of the PaB providers/donors)
    Gaya Ethaniel: heh :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: It was helpful to take those carpet/balloon rides to see the real estate part of our community
    Aphrodite Macbain: as well as the treasure hunt

    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks storm
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Storm Nordwind: It gives a sense of perspective, in more ways than one!
    Pema Pera: yes, the magic carpet was amazing!!
    Bleu Oleander: lovely ride Storm!
    Wol Euler nods.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I need to book that ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, thank you ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: the logs and chronicles bind us in history
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes Aphro, the logs have a binding function like a ritual .. an act that says "together"
    Aphrodite Macbain: we have evrything going for us!
    Aphrodite Macbain: wonder what might make this community even stronger?
    Pila Mulligan: I once read that any organization/community has two essential functons: (1) survival and (2) purpose -- they need to be balanced, each getting its share of effort and attention
    Calvino Rabeni: I agree Pila, a community has a working together kind of purpose
    Pila Mulligan: the purpose here is a practice, isn't it
    Pila Mulligan: a fellowship and a practice
    Pema Pera: an intention, perhaps
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pema Pera: I made a note, two months ago, of the session on 2011.02.09_07: Eos Amaterasu: personal practice is to hold yourself in your highest best intention Eos Amaterasu: group practice is to hold each other in our highest best intentions
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice Eos
    Calvino Rabeni: it seems just "the pleasure of being together" isn't enough to make a community
    Pema Pera: broadly speaking
    Liza Deischer: I don't see practice as a purpose here
    Pema Pera: playing is an unusual form of practice . . . .
    Pila Mulligan: but you meditate here Liza
    Liza Deischer: no I do that at my own place
    Pila Mulligan: I see
    Aphrodite Macbain: but not one single practice, but practices with common value and meaning
    Pila Mulligan: yes, mulitple prctices
    Liza Deischer: I think it's more about verbal sharing practicing
    Pema Pera: the intention behind playing can be very similar to the intention behind practice
    Liza Deischer: true
    Pema Pera: drawing in others -- hence community
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well ... speech is an important area of practice ...
    Storm Nordwind would not be here is it was about verbal sharing
    Bleu Oleander: exchanging ideas and learning with each other
    Calvino Rabeni: a community is also a container for a web of smaller personal relationships
    Aphrodite Macbain: language is our glue
    Aphrodite Macbain: Pema Pera feels sticky ; ; ;
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)))
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Agatha Macbeth: Ick :p
    Wol Euler: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) langue/parole
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    Liza Deischer: hehe
    Gaya Ethaniel: I guess everyon's motivation to be here is different ... and that's wonderful?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: the question is what unites us?
    Pema Pera: playing as Being perhaps :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: why is it that I like everyone here?
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)))
    Liza Deischer: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: not normal.....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a nonjudgemental way to communticate topics that many of us do not talk about much in rl, would be part of my guess
    Zen Arado: cos we're weird?
    Bruce Mowbray: Are you drunk, Aph?
    Wol Euler: we are perhaps a good example of a self-selecting sample :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I guess we're just lucky
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehe Bruce
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: drunk with happiness
    Liza Deischer: :) Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: only a coupla sips of champagne
    Storm Nordwind: We can be part of many communities. I have been. Why do people choose to stay in this one, rather than another? Why do they choose to leave it?
    Aphrodite Macbain: good question storm
    Pema Pera: three days of champaign . . . .
    Pila Mulligan: also notable is the successful organization aspect of Kira/PaB -- it functions well in detail, technically
    Wol Euler: there have been people who came who were (coughs) less likeable. They didn't last, because we don't offer what they wanted
    Bruce Mowbray: I also appreciate every single person in PaB  . . . and perhaps it is some magic that is happening with us.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, a workable supporting structure
    Pila Mulligan: it runs smoothly
    Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps diversity within the community is a strength rather than a weakness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Liza Deischer: great parties?
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: Storm, I think the phenomenon of a virtual community is new enough to make it difficult to say why people come to/stay/leave
    Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko?
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ;p
    Sunshine Vayandar: onigokko is part of the glue ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: sticky onigokko
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    Aphrodite Macbain: sounds like a japanese ice cream
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm always impressed by how generous everyone has been here ...
    Bleu Oleander: onigokko with fireworks
    Liza Deischer: to me it is a structure to use, and a few personal contacts, and yes, I agree, here i find a bunch of people that are in my way of 'thinking', that helps a lot
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, there is a generosity - borne out of trust & respect
    Pila Mulligan: and polite, too
    Calvino Rabeni: Virtual communities are weaker than RL ones if they're based mainly on interest and affinity to idea - RL communities often have involuntary forces binding people, while virtual communities, people can drift or walk away easily
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sl immersion to rl meeting probably helps too
    Pila Mulligan: it is an interesting new phenonmenon Cal
    Liza Deischer nods at Cal, wonders if somebody has seen 0 around lately?
    Bruce Mowbray: But, Cal, all you say is true -- but HERE WE ARE!
    Aphrodite Macbain: indeed. very here
    Storm Nordwind: Cal - perhaps that would mean that those who DO stay demonstrate of a stronger affinity than in RL
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sam was here yesterday.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not today, Liza
    Bruce Mowbray: We have NOT drifted.
    Liza Deischer: ok, glad to hear :)
    Pila Mulligan: Sam the contentious, Gaya? from a year or so ago
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think sam is having trouble with technology
    Gaya Ethaniel: No 0 I meant ...
    Pila Mulligan: oh, ok
    Pila Mulligan: :|
    Gaya Ethaniel: Samuo
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Liza Deischer: is the same Gaya :)
    Bruce Mowbray: and all of that is part of our accepting "differences..."
    Bruce Mowbray: .... when actually it is more like our recognition of similarities. . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, differences of style, frequency
    Aphrodite Macbain: depends what we focus on
    Bruce Mowbray: differences of hats.
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I like Liza's
    Aphrodite Macbain: and all the crowns
    Aphrodite Macbain: and halos
    Liza Deischer: hehe, Alf made it :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Investing "work" into a community - creative effort - also gives a sense of belonging or ownership
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, by working together, being appreciated for the work is a very bonding activity
    Liza Deischer nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: wish we could do a group hug
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha!
    Liza Deischer: dugs....:)
    Aphrodite Macbain looks down in embarrassment
    Calvino Rabeni: a community needs a commons, that members feel they built together in some ways
    Pila Mulligan: and the play is a very bonding activity also
    Agatha Macbeth: We can :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Luci
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Luci ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Lucinda!
    Wol Euler smiles encouragingly at Aphro
    Pila Mulligan: yo Lucinda
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Luci :)
    Liza Deischer: it's me Aph, not you :)
    Wol Euler: hello luci
    Liza Deischer: hi Lucy
    Aphrodite Macbain grins back
    Aphrodite Macbain: Liza? what's you?
    Pila Mulligan: you arrived at a moment of virtual group hugation
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Lucinda Lavender: Greetings all PaBBers!
    Bruce Mowbray: HUGATION!!!!! Yahhyyyyy!
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are using ou collective imagination which is very well developed
    Liza Deischer: you looked down in embarassment
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh ha ha
    Lucinda Lavender: :)))
    Bleu Oleander: hi Luci
    Aphrodite Macbain: May I point out to those who have recently arrived, the group poem that was made not that long ago and posted by Bleu
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Bleu, Cal, Pila, Storm, Wol, Gaya, Bruce...Pema...
    Lucinda Lavender: Liza:)
    Zen Arado: Hi Eliza , Luci
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza
    Pila Mulligan: hi ELiza
    Lucinda Lavender: Sun, Eliza
    Liza Deischer: hi Eliza :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: here is your PaB manager now
    Eliza Madrigal: Wow, Hi Everyone :) Apologies for being so late
    Lucinda Lavender: gatha
    Wol Euler: hello eliza
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Eliza ;)
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Liz :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: we've been talking about our community and what makes it work
    Pila Mulligan: and play
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain wishes she could stroke Gaya's ears
    Pila Mulligan: loaded question: is it close to being a sangha?
    Liza Deischer: hmmmmm, I should say no
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Pila Mulligan: why Liza?
    Aphrodite Macbain: a saaanga is a Buddhist community
    Aphrodite Macbain: isn't it?
    Pila Mulligan: yes, close, not Buddhist per se
    Pila Mulligan: is the quesiton
    Liza Deischer: I think Cal made a good argument
    Pila Mulligan: not enough bonding?
    Liza Deischer: it is too open too much people coming and going
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Sangha: a word in Pali or Sanskrit that can be translated roughly as "association" or "assembly," "company" or "community" with common goal, vision or purpose.
    Bruce Mowbray: well, not necessarily "Buddhist," I feel.
    Eliza Madrigal: well certainly not about 'terms'
    Aphrodite Macbain: I take refuge in it...
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Aph
    SophiaSharon Larnia: right
    Liza Deischer: right Sophia, we don't have a common practice
    Liza Deischer: a common goal
    Liza Deischer: we share
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes that's well said Liza
    Gaya Ethaniel: That'd be SL Liza ... I'm part of a few sanghas in RL and people come and go there too.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Just less in numbers ...
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Aph. Excellent point: refuge.
    Storm Nordwind: It doesn't feel even close to any kind of sangha to me. But it doesn't have to. It is what it is! :)
    Lucinda Lavender: listening during the pause?
    Wol Euler nods to storm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the 9 sec stops is a common practice, although in a diffent way you mean
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: and what is that storm?
    Bleu Oleander: why can't we just call it "Play as Being"?
    Aphrodite Macbain: because it is sometimes useful to look at our assumptions and understandings Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: sure, agree Aph
    Pila Mulligan: is it a fellowship?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: we can :)
    Bruce Mowbray: and here is another point of difference -- because it is the most vital Sangha I am part of.
    Liza Deischer: maybe there are more interpretations of Sangha, but mine is stable, all people who took refuge and taking vows, connected to the teacher
    Pila Mulligan: yes, bound together Liza
    Pila Mulligan: but a fellowship is less bound
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just found a site where it defines it both ways
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes for some there are very specific frameworks
    Liza Deischer: I think a fellowship is a better word
    Pila Mulligan: friends
    Eliza Madrigal: but PaB is closest to sangha to anything I've been part of, and I have lots of groups
    Aphrodite Macbain: for she's a jolly good fellow!
    Pema Pera: for us: all play, no vows, no teachers, no formal forms of refuge or anything like what formally defines a sangha -- yet it works and may *feel* like one nonetheless . . . perhaps Being has something to do with it (^_^)
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Eliza -- "closest thing to Sangha I've ever been part of."
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ^_^
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;))

    Conflict resolution
    Calvino Rabeni: communities or sanghas need conflict-resolution practices of some kind .. more binding than just "walking away"
    Eliza Madrigal: I even find PaB, more practice based, than my very disciplined and formal buddhist group :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: My understanding of sangha is very similar to a community really ...
    Pila Mulligan: whatever it is, we are defining it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Liza Deischer: nods to Cal
    Aphrodite Macbain: do we need a process of conflict resolution if it is an important element of a successful community
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Pila
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thankfully, not much confict, that i know of
    Aphrodite Macbain: no
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not necessarily Buddhist per se ... just a term I came to appreciate.
    Pila Mulligan: that is an interesting statement Aphro
    Liza Deischer: to me Sangha means more, it is sharing and practicing together
    Eliza Madrigal: many conflicts solve themselves if folks just keep showing up and playing perhaps :)
    Liza Deischer: as important in a way as family is
    Bleu Oleander: :) Eliza
    Bruce Mowbray ponders whether "no fly zone" would be appropriate for PaB.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no please dont ^^
    Aphrodite Macbain: I like flying
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think good communication is the key
    Liza Deischer: though different
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I think everyone has different feelings about PaB actually depending on own choice in terms of involvement.
    Bruce Mowbray ponders whether calling in the Marines to resolve conflicts would be appropriate for PaB.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ack!'
    Aphrodite Macbain: argh
    Calvino Rabeni: I am curious, about the comings and goings from Play as Being .. people who stayed a while then left, what are the forces that kept them and then let them go
    Bruce Mowbray ponders whether he's had too much coffee.
    Liza Deischer: :) Bruce
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, me too Cal
    Gaya Ethaniel: I don't think guardians define each other's approach to PaB.
    Zen Arado: some don't understand what is involved maybe
    Eliza Madrigal: Calvino that may have more to do with the nature of SL... people seem to have to work to find balances over time
    Gaya Ethaniel: One makes it one's own ...
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I like that Gaya
    Zen Arado: thinks you need to have some spiritual leanings
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Bruce Mowbray ponders Impermanence with regard to comings and goings in PaB

    Calvino Rabeni: I've heard "well I just got tired of SL" as one thing that happens.. not specifically PaB community related

    Gaya Ethaniel: And that freedom is great in my opinion.

    Aphrodite Macbain: I am afraid to say that this session will have to officially end in a minute to allow you time to go to the final prepared event of the day - Kabuki Theatre
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's on your HUDS
    Gaya Ethaniel: Doesn't have to fit into a bench mark or something ...
    Pila Mulligan: anyone have a landmark for the theater site?
    Wol Euler: it's in the HUD, pila
    SophiaSharon Larnia: kabuki theatre? :O
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so sorry to have missed so much of the session, couldn't be helped =/
    Aphrodite Macbain: can anyone see the HUD dispenser and point it out to Pila?
    Agatha Macbeth: It's behind me
    Wol Euler: where storm is now :)
    Storm Nordwind: HERE
    Aphrodite Macbain: Pila, can you see it?

    Pema Pera: thanks so much, Aphrodite, for organizing this session!
    Aphrodite Macbain: YW
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes thank you Aph
    Pila Mulligan: yes, thanks Aphro
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty so much Aph ;)
    Bleu Oleander: ty Aph!
    Pema Pera: (as well as many other aspects of the celebrations)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks for a really great discussion
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Liza Deischer: thanks so much to everyone organizing, it's really great !!!!!
    Bruce Mowbray: APPLAUSE!!

    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Aph!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay
    Bleu Oleander: ⊱✿•*☆¨*•.☾APPLAUSE ⋆*•:*.•*¨*♥ APPLAUSE ♥•*¨☆*•

    Wol Euler: well done, us :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you, Aph!
    Aphrodite Macbain: yayy
    Pila Mulligan: yes, thank you
    Sunshine Vayandar: Please IM me for LM to get to the next event ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: thank you and thank you all and everyone
    Gaya Ethaniel: Storm ... could I ride on the magic carpet sometime please? :P
    Storm Nordwind: Whenever you like Gaya!
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes huge thanks Sun and Storm and everyone working so well together
    Sunshine Vayandar: and once you are there you can get this Kimono that I have on ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yippee
    Aphrodite Macbain: they offer it at other times
    Liza Deischer: we click Theatre?

    Bleu Oleander hopes everyone is not worn out for tomorrow's Art of Being :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Bleu!
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh Bleu no chance
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not sure if I can make it ...
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Gaya Ethaniel: If I come home on time, I will try ...
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can give you the info
    Calvino Rabeni: this party has really been a community building experience, and thanks to everyone who put in their time and energy !
    Wol Euler nods to cal
    Gaya Ethaniel: woot magic carpet!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D

    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder what we are doing with the guardian session?
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's at 8AM. We can all go
    Aphrodite Macbain: no conflicts
    Eliza Madrigal: it just not occurred to me that I haven't sent a notice because hm...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: OK
    Eliza Madrigal: will do that then :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: You decide Eliza. Is there anything that is urgent?
    Pila Mulligan: bye for now
    Liza Deischer: with my schedule there is a conflict sorry
    Eliza Madrigal: anything?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can't think of anything
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Pila
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye! waves
    Bleu Oleander: c u all at the next stop?
    Wol Euler: bye to everyone who isn't kabuki-ing
    Sunshine Vayandar: ops sorry I was in IM - pls ask me if you need help getting to the theater
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Kabuki goers
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Wol
    Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee all ty so much Aph ;)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: do we know how long the event is?
    Zen Arado: pls give me a LM someone
    Sunshine Vayandar: not long
    Sunshine Vayandar: I think 30 mins
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's worth going to see it. Excellent
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Sun. You warm shiny being!
    Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Aph :)
    Pema Pera: bye everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: be fun to check out
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Bye Pema, glad you've been able to peek in
    Sunshine Vayandar: Byebyee Pema ;))
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, okay... will hop in
    Zen Arado: ty Sun
    Pema Pera: yes, glad to be here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Pema!!
    Eliza Madrigal: :D
    Pema Pera: but now RL is calling again :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for everything Pema
    Pema Pera: see you all soon again
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: You get to dress up in a kimono
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i do?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Zen Sophia, Kodo
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aw maybe too much to much trouble today. I'll go watch :)

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