The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

Eos Amaterasu: HI Arch
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Eos
Archmage Atlantis: It is rare that I hear the sounds.....the birds chriping, the water flowing, the frogs croaking
Eos Amaterasu: rare to hear the sounds here?
Archmage Atlantis: yes
Eos Amaterasu: 'cause there are voices talking over them?
Archmage Atlantis: I don't thimk that is the reason.....I rarely hear Koya purr.yet I hear her now
Eos Amaterasu: I guess we hear sounds relative to camera position here
Eos Amaterasu: camera position really being the synaesthetic ego

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Archmage Atlantis: Yes, shifting the camera does make some soundss more prominent, others less so
Eos Amaterasu: it's nice being right over the fountain :-)
Archmage Atlantis: I am hoping to build a pond and fountain on my patio.....
Eos Amaterasu thinks that here you can do that without taking out a second mortgage
Archmage Atlantis: Chuckles
Archmage Atlantis: I don't have a first mortgage
Archmage Atlantis: My home was repossesed
Eos Amaterasu: all SL mortgages are second mortgages
Pema Pera: Hi A & E !
Eos Amaterasu: Ah, sorry to hear that, Arch
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pema!
Archmage Atlantis: Pemster. ola
Pema Pera: Don't let me interrupt :)
Archmage Atlantis: I won't
Eos Amaterasu: Arch was noting how sounds were very prominent for him tonight
Pema Pera: :>)
Archmage Atlantis: Now, what do you have to say
Pema Pera whispering: oh, no plans yet :-)
Archmage Atlantis: They are letting me wear my big boy pants tonite
Pema Pera: but of course, I can say something . . . like: Eos, I've been chewing quite a bit on what you said a while ago "Be decisive, know what is, see clearly"
Pema Pera: the more I work with that, the more meaningful it becomes

Archmage Atlantis: na mas te
Eos Amaterasu: na mas te = ? ? ?
Archmage Atlantis: Methodist version of Namaste
Eos Amaterasu twists into pretzel figuring that one....

Eos Amaterasu: Can you say more about how you are working with that, Pema?
Pema Pera: usually, we want to see first, then we want to translate what we see into some structure that we can then know, and then we feel ready to make (informed) decisions
Pema Pera: but this saying is putting it all on its head
Pema Pera: starting at the end :-)
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes.....
Eos Amaterasu: also may relate to the whole "faith seeking understanding" thing
Pema Pera: much spiritual practice is a "wait and see" attitude, waiting very long (forever?) to see . . . .
Eos Amaterasu: we act from implicit premises that we then try to make sense out of
Pema Pera: yes, faith comes in here, definitely (decisively :-)
Eos Amaterasu: yes, it's connection
Eos Amaterasu: even though you might be wrong :-)
Eos Amaterasu: how about that for next 90 secs: be decisive, know what is, see clearly
Pema Pera: crawling out of the box can be done slowly, but jumping to an altogether different level/dimension needs decisiveness
Pema Pera: good idea!
Archmage Atlantis: knowledge finds understanding, understanding finds faith, faith finds existencene......existence findes love

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stevenaia Michinaga: evening
Eos Amaterasu: What I noted was a quality of not needing to move, to go anywhere. The quality of being fully there felt almost "massive", there, ....
Eos Amaterasu: Hi stevenaia
Pema Pera: I thought about giving up addictions, whether smoking or waiting for insight . . . there comes a point that suddenly you know: this is it, and you push out the last cigaret
Pema Pera: hi Steve!

Pema Pera: yes, Eos, that can feel overwhelming!
Eos Amaterasu: often there's this phrase used in some buddhist traditions, of "taking up your royal seat"
Eos Amaterasu: that quality of presence has a "royal" quality, in the sense that you're fully there, and it
Eos Amaterasu: it's your birthright
Pema Pera: hi Druth, good to see you again!
Pema Pera: yes, that birthright aspect is essential -- no effort needed
Eos Amaterasu: hi druth
Pema Pera looking at the open royal seat between Eos and Stevenaia :-)
druth Vlodovic: hi all
stevenaia Michinaga: the aspect of no longer needing to try to be what you already are is comforting
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Pema Pera: yes, that is the core of the notion of playing as Being
Pema Pera: playing is more fun than trying hard :)
stevenaia Michinaga: it's interesting when we do our pre tai chi warm up and meditation how much of PaB is there in that
Pema Pera: interesting, Steve! In what way(s)?

stevenaia Michinaga: troping, listening to thoughts, watching them arise, w/o interacting with them.. teachers words
stevenaia Michinaga: *droping
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: the observational qualities are simmilart
Pema Pera: :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, cat is on my arm as I type
Eos Amaterasu likes troping
Pema Pera: drooping
Pema Pera: hopefully not dropping
stevenaia Michinaga: not the cat, they always land correctly
stevenaia Michinaga: tried to put a small dog on the ground like I would my cat, they are not particularly good at landing
Pema Pera: auch . . .
stevenaia Michinaga: I think thye went face first
stevenaia Michinaga: silly dog
Pema Pera closes his eyes . . .
Eos Amaterasu: full flop
Eos Amaterasu: maybe that's related to "be decisive": when you land, it doesn't matter where you land: you just land and feel the earth
Eos Amaterasu: connection
Eos Amaterasu: then you're
Eos Amaterasu: you're all ears and whiskers and ready to pounce....
Pema Pera: yes, what we talked about was "jumping in the dark"
Pema Pera: before "knowing what is" comes "be decisive"
Pema Pera: doing it the other way around is guaranteed to keep you in the old sphere
Eos Amaterasu: in a way it's willing to put yourself out in the phenomenal world as its laboratory

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stevenaia Michinaga: I must be going
stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon
Pema Pera: nice seeing you again, Steve, sleep well
Eos Amaterasu: night, steveneaia

druth Vlodovic: creating a goal to overcome inertia but willingness not to reach it, or anything it resembles
druth Vlodovic: 'night steve
Pema Pera: didn't look sleepy . . . flying straight up
Pema Pera: can you say more, Druth?
druth Vlodovic: lol, my tendencies and desires seldom match up very well, I'm afraid that informs more of my actions then I normally care to tell
Pema Pera getting really curious now :-)
druth Vlodovic: the decision to jump and the willingness to do so must be created before it can be done
Pema Pera: perhaps . . .
Pema Pera: or perhaps it can all come spontaneously
Pema Pera wondering whether we decide to decide . . .
druth Vlodovic: this often requires a sort of direction, or goal
Eos Amaterasu: or exhaustion
Eos Amaterasu: you could run out of options
druth Vlodovic: if we don't decide then we don't move
Eos Amaterasu: then you're really there
Eos Amaterasu: then you jump
Eos Amaterasu: and you probably jump right
Eos Amaterasu: actually a lot of jumps are made for us
Eos Amaterasu: they just happen
Eos Amaterasu: our attention just goes out
Eos Amaterasu: or comes to us like a sharp sound
Eos Amaterasu: even our thinking is like that (Eos thinks)
Pema Pera: or things come together . . . like in a decisive moment
druth Vlodovic: I think the spark must come from within, or the fanning of it
Pema Pera: goals can (and often do) play a role but perhaps the most snappy decisions can happen without immediate goals
druth Vlodovic: most situations can be turned back into the old ways of being
Pema Pera: "from within", do you mean "spontaneously", Druth, or do you mean "from an inner urge/goal"?
druth Vlodovic: an inner decision
Eos Amaterasu: interesting....

Eos Amaterasu: we can talk about "deciding" - I decide this, I decide that
Eos Amaterasu: or, there is the "state of decisiveness"

Pema Pera: inner, as in "welling up", yes, I recognize that . . .
Pema Pera: and at the same time, it also feels "out there" . . . overwhelmingly
Pema Pera: as if the whole world decided at that moment
Eos Amaterasu: which could be approached or experienced just as the space within which everything happens, and so itself immovable
Eos Amaterasu: ie, the whole world :-)
Pema Pera imagining space movers, space heaters, . . . .
druth Vlodovic: moving spaces, perhaps the hardest thing :)
Eos Amaterasu: tai chi
Pema Pera: :-)

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Pema Pera: time for me to move my space . . .
Eos Amaterasu: good night, Pema
Pema Pera: nice talking with you all !
druth Vlodovic: ah, have fun pema
Eos Amaterasu: Likewise time for me
Pema Pera: night everyone
Eos Amaterasu: thank you Arch and Pema and druth
druth Vlodovic: it was good to see you again
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera: space farers . . .
Eos Amaterasu: where's oo0oo?
druth Vlodovic: steve's space, we were talking Iching
druth Vlodovic: speak of the devil...
Eos Amaterasu: ah, hey la, hey aloha
druth Vlodovic: hi samud
Eos Amaterasu: bye all!
oO0Oo Resident: Best of all to passing spheres :)
Eos Amaterasu: meteorites in the night

druth Vlodovic: cya eos
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Arch :) Hi Druth :)
oO0Oo Resident: interesting or meaningful, or unencumbered topics this round?
druth Vlodovic: decisions, the wherefrom and how
oO0Oo Resident: ty Druth
druth Vlodovic: "jumping in the dark"
druth Vlodovic: how are the decisions about your journey made?

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oO0Oo Resident: jumping from the heart is an art
druth Vlodovic: 'night guys
oO0Oo Resident: Night Druth...leep wel
oO0Oo Resident: hehe sleep
oO0Oo Resident: wel*
oO0Oo Resident: wel*
oO0Oo Resident: hahahaha
oO0Oo Resident: *sleep well
oO0Oo Resident: Every moment a new possibility

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oO0Oo Resident: gtsy Arch... would like to co-write a poem during a session sometime.. tc ... be well