2011.04.05 19:00 - State of Being Decisive

    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.


    Eos Amaterasu: HI Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Eos
    Archmage Atlantis: It is rare that I hear the sounds.....the birds chriping, the water flowing, the frogs croaking
    Eos Amaterasu: rare to hear the sounds here?
    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: 'cause there are voices talking over them?
    Archmage Atlantis: I don't thimk that is the reason.....I rarely hear Koya purr.yet I hear her now
    Eos Amaterasu: I guess we hear sounds relative to camera position here
    Eos Amaterasu: camera position really being the synaesthetic ego


    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, shifting the camera does make some soundss more prominent, others less so
    Eos Amaterasu: it's nice being right over the fountain :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: I am hoping to build a pond and fountain on my patio.....
    Eos Amaterasu thinks that here you can do that without taking out a second mortgage
    Archmage Atlantis: Chuckles
    Archmage Atlantis: I don't have a first mortgage
    Archmage Atlantis: My home was repossesed
    Eos Amaterasu: all SL mortgages are second mortgages
    Pema Pera: Hi A & E !
    Eos Amaterasu: Ah, sorry to hear that, Arch
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pema!
    Archmage Atlantis: Pemster. ola
    Pema Pera: Don't let me interrupt :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I won't
    Eos Amaterasu: Arch was noting how sounds were very prominent for him tonight
    Pema Pera: :>)
    Archmage Atlantis: Now, what do you have to say
    Pema Pera whispering: oh, no plans yet :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: They are letting me wear my big boy pants tonite
    Pema Pera: but of course, I can say something . . . like: Eos, I've been chewing quite a bit on what you said a while ago "Be decisive, know what is, see clearly"
    Pema Pera: the more I work with that, the more meaningful it becomes

    Archmage Atlantis: na mas te
    Eos Amaterasu: na mas te = ? ? ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Methodist version of Namaste
    Eos Amaterasu twists into pretzel figuring that one....

    Eos Amaterasu: Can you say more about how you are working with that, Pema?
    Pema Pera: usually, we want to see first, then we want to translate what we see into some structure that we can then know, and then we feel ready to make (informed) decisions
    Pema Pera: but this saying is putting it all on its head
    Pema Pera: starting at the end :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes.....
    Eos Amaterasu: also may relate to the whole "faith seeking understanding" thing
    Pema Pera: much spiritual practice is a "wait and see" attitude, waiting very long (forever?) to see . . . .
    Eos Amaterasu: we act from implicit premises that we then try to make sense out of
    Pema Pera: yes, faith comes in here, definitely (decisively :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, it's connection
    Eos Amaterasu: even though you might be wrong :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: how about that for next 90 secs: be decisive, know what is, see clearly
    Pema Pera: crawling out of the box can be done slowly, but jumping to an altogether different level/dimension needs decisiveness
    Pema Pera: good idea!
    Archmage Atlantis: knowledge finds understanding, understanding finds faith, faith finds existencene......existence findes love


    stevenaia Michinaga: evening
    Eos Amaterasu: What I noted was a quality of not needing to move, to go anywhere. The quality of being fully there felt almost "massive", there, ....
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi stevenaia
    Pema Pera: I thought about giving up addictions, whether smoking or waiting for insight . . . there comes a point that suddenly you know: this is it, and you push out the last cigaret
    Pema Pera: hi Steve!

    Pema Pera: yes, Eos, that can feel overwhelming!
    Eos Amaterasu: often there's this phrase used in some buddhist traditions, of "taking up your royal seat"
    Eos Amaterasu: that quality of presence has a "royal" quality, in the sense that you're fully there, and it
    Eos Amaterasu: it's your birthright
    Pema Pera: hi Druth, good to see you again!
    Pema Pera: yes, that birthright aspect is essential -- no effort needed
    Eos Amaterasu: hi druth
    Pema Pera looking at the open royal seat between Eos and Stevenaia :-)
    druth Vlodovic: hi all
    stevenaia Michinaga: the aspect of no longer needing to try to be what you already are is comforting
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Pema Pera: yes, that is the core of the notion of playing as Being
    Pema Pera: playing is more fun than trying hard :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it's interesting when we do our pre tai chi warm up and meditation how much of PaB is there in that
    Pema Pera: interesting, Steve! In what way(s)?

    stevenaia Michinaga: troping, listening to thoughts, watching them arise, w/o interacting with them.. teachers words
    stevenaia Michinaga: *droping
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: the observational qualities are simmilart
    Pema Pera: :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, cat is on my arm as I type
    Eos Amaterasu likes troping
    Pema Pera: drooping
    Pema Pera: hopefully not dropping
    stevenaia Michinaga: not the cat, they always land correctly
    stevenaia Michinaga: tried to put a small dog on the ground like I would my cat, they are not particularly good at landing
    Pema Pera: auch . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think thye went face first
    stevenaia Michinaga: silly dog
    Pema Pera closes his eyes . . .
    Eos Amaterasu: full flop
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe that's related to "be decisive": when you land, it doesn't matter where you land: you just land and feel the earth
    Eos Amaterasu: connection
    Eos Amaterasu: then you're
    Eos Amaterasu: you're all ears and whiskers and ready to pounce....
    Pema Pera: yes, what we talked about was "jumping in the dark"
    Pema Pera: before "knowing what is" comes "be decisive"
    Pema Pera: doing it the other way around is guaranteed to keep you in the old sphere
    Eos Amaterasu: in a way it's willing to put yourself out in the phenomenal world as its laboratory


    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be going
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon
    Pema Pera: nice seeing you again, Steve, sleep well
    Eos Amaterasu: night, steveneaia

    druth Vlodovic: creating a goal to overcome inertia but willingness not to reach it, or anything it resembles
    druth Vlodovic: 'night steve
    Pema Pera: didn't look sleepy . . . flying straight up
    Pema Pera: can you say more, Druth?
    druth Vlodovic: lol, my tendencies and desires seldom match up very well, I'm afraid that informs more of my actions then I normally care to tell
    Pema Pera getting really curious now :-)
    druth Vlodovic: the decision to jump and the willingness to do so must be created before it can be done
    Pema Pera: perhaps . . .
    Pema Pera: or perhaps it can all come spontaneously
    Pema Pera wondering whether we decide to decide . . .
    druth Vlodovic: this often requires a sort of direction, or goal
    Eos Amaterasu: or exhaustion
    Eos Amaterasu: you could run out of options
    druth Vlodovic: if we don't decide then we don't move
    Eos Amaterasu: then you're really there
    Eos Amaterasu: then you jump
    Eos Amaterasu: and you probably jump right
    Eos Amaterasu: actually a lot of jumps are made for us
    Eos Amaterasu: they just happen
    Eos Amaterasu: our attention just goes out
    Eos Amaterasu: or comes to us like a sharp sound
    Eos Amaterasu: even our thinking is like that (Eos thinks)
    Pema Pera: or things come together . . . like in a decisive moment
    druth Vlodovic: I think the spark must come from within, or the fanning of it
    Pema Pera: goals can (and often do) play a role but perhaps the most snappy decisions can happen without immediate goals
    druth Vlodovic: most situations can be turned back into the old ways of being
    Pema Pera: "from within", do you mean "spontaneously", Druth, or do you mean "from an inner urge/goal"?
    druth Vlodovic: an inner decision
    Eos Amaterasu: interesting....

    Eos Amaterasu: we can talk about "deciding" - I decide this, I decide that
    Eos Amaterasu: or, there is the "state of decisiveness"

    Pema Pera: inner, as in "welling up", yes, I recognize that . . .
    Pema Pera: and at the same time, it also feels "out there" . . . overwhelmingly
    Pema Pera: as if the whole world decided at that moment
    Eos Amaterasu: which could be approached or experienced just as the space within which everything happens, and so itself immovable
    Eos Amaterasu: ie, the whole world :-)
    Pema Pera imagining space movers, space heaters, . . . .
    druth Vlodovic: moving spaces, perhaps the hardest thing :)
    Eos Amaterasu: tai chi
    Pema Pera: :-)


    Pema Pera: time for me to move my space . . .
    Eos Amaterasu: good night, Pema
    Pema Pera: nice talking with you all !
    druth Vlodovic: ah, have fun pema
    Eos Amaterasu: Likewise time for me
    Pema Pera: night everyone
    Eos Amaterasu: thank you Arch and Pema and druth
    druth Vlodovic: it was good to see you again
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: space farers . . .
    Eos Amaterasu: where's oo0oo?
    druth Vlodovic: steve's space, we were talking Iching
    druth Vlodovic: speak of the devil...
    Eos Amaterasu: ah, hey la, hey aloha
    druth Vlodovic: hi samud
    Eos Amaterasu: bye all!
    oO0Oo Resident: Best of all to passing spheres :)
    Eos Amaterasu: meteorites in the night

    druth Vlodovic: cya eos
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Arch :) Hi Druth :)
    oO0Oo Resident: interesting or meaningful, or unencumbered topics this round?
    druth Vlodovic: decisions, the wherefrom and how
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Druth
    druth Vlodovic: "jumping in the dark"
    druth Vlodovic: how are the decisions about your journey made?


    oO0Oo Resident: jumping from the heart is an art
    druth Vlodovic: 'night guys
    oO0Oo Resident: Night Druth...leep wel
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe sleep
    oO0Oo Resident: wel*
    oO0Oo Resident: wel*
    oO0Oo Resident: hahahaha
    oO0Oo Resident: *sleep well
    oO0Oo Resident: Every moment a new possibility


    oO0Oo Resident: gtsy Arch... would like to co-write a poem during a session sometime.. tc ... be well

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