2011.04.07 13:00 - lenticular clouds -permanent impermanence

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Lia and oo000oo.
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Bruce :), Hi Lia :)
    Lia Rikugun: hello OOOoo and bruce
    Lia Rikugun: how are you two
    oO0Oo Resident: well thanks Lia



    Bruce Mowbray: Grateful to be able to relax -- been a very busy day -- And how are you?
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Lia Rikugun: relax yes lets do that :)
    Lia Rikugun: I am a little sick :(
    Lia Rikugun: but will be ok tomorrow :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Ohh -- sorry to hear that Lia.
    Lia Rikugun: hi sohpiasharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Lia, Bruce, Samuo :))
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Sharon!
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi SSL :) ... we are relaxing ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay :)
    Bruce Mowbray: We are relaxing and also healing.
    Lia Rikugun: yes ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Storm :)
    oO0Oo Resident: relaxing .. healing.. with friends
    Lia Rikugun: hi storm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Aggers :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Storm.
    Storm Nordwind: Hi everyone!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, aggers.
    oO0Oo Resident: Aggers :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Et maintenant, j'arrive :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Storm :)
    Lia Rikugun: hi agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, good to see you back Lia
    Lia Rikugun: yes was a long time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Lia!
    Agatha Macbeth: I won't need to grab the log tonight then :p
    Lia Rikugun: oh thank you for taking the log
    Agatha Macbeth: NP :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Saved poor Wol from having to do it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Lia Rikugun: yes wol is already holding so many slots
    Lia Rikugun: hello gaya
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Gaya :)
    Agatha Macbeth: No wonder she's ill all the time
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Gaya.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello gaya :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Gaya :)
    Lia Rikugun: so a lot going on in PaB
    Lia Rikugun: :) i read all the emails
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Wol :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh my, yes!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Mum!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, sorry you missed the party
    Wol Euler: hello everyone
    Lia Rikugun: hey wol
    Storm Nordwind: Hi!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wollers :)
    oO0Oo Resident: letting be lax .. and reminding myself.. to re-lax .. . . . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Wol .. ntsy :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: didn'T mean to shatter the conversation, please continue
    Gaya Ethaniel: We are mesmerised by your lovely haircut Wol :)
    Agatha Macbeth: What were we talking about?
    Lia Rikugun: we just did the hellos :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we were relaxing :)
    Lia Rikugun: and relaxing
    Lia Rikugun: and healing
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)



    Bruce Mowbray thinks he'll start a new religion -- Relaxianity.
    Gaya Ethaniel: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Both good subjects
    oO0Oo Resident: a n d re-re-l a x .. i n g
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe


    "may contain nuts"

    Lia Rikugun: hm your name title is intersting Wol :)
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: it's true though :)
    Lia Rikugun: :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    Wol Euler: there's actually very little that can be said definitely never to contain nuts...
    Agatha Macbeth: I love nuts
    Bruce Mowbray just now ate a handful of nuts.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Bruce Mowbray: [true!]
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: There ya go
    Lia Rikugun: nuts can have several meanings no?
    Agatha Macbeth: I meant the edible variety :)
    Wol Euler: o.O
    Lia Rikugun: thats what I thought
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I think it also means 'crazy' as in "wow, this is nuts!"
    Wol Euler: yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Wol Euler: also the loose end that screws onto a bolt (schraubenmutter)
    Gaya Ethaniel nods nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: Every "nut" of craziness is also a "seed" for awakening. . . . (Nuts ARE seeds, of course.)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Aphrodite
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles.
    Wol Euler: hello aph
    Lia Rikugun: wow so many meanings
    Aphrodite Macbain: nuts?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Aph!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Aph
    Gaya Ethaniel: Love your sense of humour Bruce :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Aph :)
    Agatha Macbeth: it drives me nuts
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Aphrodite :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: helo fellow asedlings
    Aphrodite Macbain: seedlings
    Lia Rikugun: hi aphro
    Bruce Mowbray: Some of the most enlightened people I know are "nuts."
    Aphrodite Macbain: You're looking very colourful Sam, what's the occasion?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: anyone out of the social norm is considered nuts in some way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if there is such a thing
    Lia Rikugun: (be right back, my nose is running as you would say in german)
    Aphrodite Macbain: we'll I'm a monkey and presumably eat nuts
    Aphrodite Macbain: they are either labelled nuts or artists
    Lia Rikugun: ran after it and catched it
    Wol Euler: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha yea
    Gaya Ethaniel: Ran after what Lia?
    Lia Rikugun: my nose
    oO0Oo Resident: colourful.. mmm feeling a little nutty I guess Aph ;)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah runny nose :P
    Wol Euler grins.
    Agatha Macbeth: I nose



    Agatha Macbeth: Does anyone else see Lia as a cloud?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i do
    Wol Euler: sadly, yes.
    Lia Rikugun: ups
    Wol Euler: could you rebake for us, please?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes a brilliant cloud of wisdom :)
    Lia Rikugun: what did i do
    Wol Euler: ctrl-alt-R
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought it was just me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :0 gaya
    Bruce Mowbray: I see Lia as all gray.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)*
    Wol Euler: you didn't do anything, it's just lag
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: but she is not feeling well today -- so that' might be why.
    Wol Euler: there! ty
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wa la
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh there I see you :)
    Lia Rikugun: yes i am hiding
    Agatha Macbeth: I see you baby...
    Lia Rikugun: tadaaa
    Lia Rikugun: here i am
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Lia is all there now.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Lia!
    Lia Rikugun: no more clouds everything is clear
    Agatha Macbeth: I like clouds
    Bruce Mowbray: clear and r e l a x e d.


    clouds and their names

    oO0Oo Resident: brilliant clouds of reconstellating colours
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I used to know all their names
    Agatha Macbeth: Cirrus, Alto Cumulus, Cumulo Nimbus
    Agatha Macbeth: etc
    Aphrodite Macbain: cirro cumulus, stratas
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Aphrodite Macbain: lenttticular, buttermilk skies
    Bruce Mowbray loves cumulo nimbus.
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't remember those, Aph
    Wol Euler loves clouds
    Agatha Macbeth: I just said that :p
    Bruce Mowbray once wrote a poem about cumulo nimbus.
    Wol Euler: sorry :)
    Wol Euler: and: snap
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Cloudy snap
    oO0Oo Resident: Clouds remind me of a principle of experiential existence
    Aphrodite Macbain hums "i've looked at clouds from both sides now..
    Wol Euler: yes!
    Agatha Macbeth: 'See the clouds that drift so far below'
    Bruce Mowbray: "Sometimes I'd like to think that you and I could fly into a cauliflower cloud. . . "
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) what wluld that be like?
    Bruce Mowbray loves "Both Sides Now."
    Agatha Macbeth: I wandered lonely as a cloud
    Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh! Wordsworth!
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Old Billy
    Bruce Mowbray: (I think it was Wordsworth. . . )
    Agatha Macbeth nods


    clouds: same and different at the same time...

    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes ... I love watching clouds gathering and dissipating ... all different each time yet they are same in some sense.
    Bruce Mowbray: a host of golden daffodils.
    Aphrodite Macbain: but I really dont know clouds at all
    Agatha Macbeth: It has to be him or Blake really
    oO0Oo Resident: of things with labels, there is the timeless simplicity, of sky, and clouds.. sometimes banal or cliche, and yet
    oO0Oo Resident: Yes Gay... the second aspect is that looking at the sky, can also bring a sense
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a lot of clouds bring rain
    oO0Oo Resident: of nothing ever being the same
    Aphrodite Macbain: and yet...
    oO0Oo Resident: Gaya*
    Bruce Mowbray thanks oo00oo for that -- wonderful insight.
    Aphrodite Macbain: something always remains
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan :)
    Lia Rikugun: hello iwandertoo
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Sue
    Lia Rikugun: or susan
    iwandertoo Resident: waves to all
    oO0Oo Resident: Helo Susan :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Susan :)
    Wol Euler: hello susan
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Susan!
    iwandertoo Resident: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: *we are relaxing*
    Bruce Mowbray really did mean"wonderful insight" about oo00oo's understanding of clouds.
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: We're relaxing, cloudy and nuts...
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe and colourful
    Agatha Macbeth: That too
    Bruce Mowbray: and we are healing.
    Wol Euler is healing, slowly
    Lia Rikugun: we were talking about clouds
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Lia Rikugun: how when you watch the sky you can see how everything changes but still is somehow the same
    Wol Euler nods.


    lenticular clouds 

    Storm Nordwind: Lenticular clouds - such as I see so often near the mountains - carry a great lesson
    oO0Oo Resident listens
    Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
    Storm Nordwind: They appear solid and stationary, while other more ephemral clouds whoosh by. But...
    Wol Euler: http://www.google.de/search?q=lenticular+cloud&hl=de&client=firefox-a&hs=zow&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=gCCeTeHnKYOMswbI6uT3AQ&ved=0CDYQsAQ
    Storm Nordwind: they are in fact constantly forming at the leading edge and constantly disappearing from the trailing edge
    Wol Euler: permanent impermanence
    Lia Rikugun: wow
    Storm Nordwind: They merely give the illusion of permanence
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Bruce Mowbray: just like us.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks wol
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    oO0Oo Resident wonders when watching clouds form and disappear, at what point they become sky, at what point clouds
    Storm Nordwind: Here is an animation: http://epod.typepad.com/.a/6a0105371bb32c970b011571148cbe970c-350wi
    SophiaSharon Larnia: cool, they look like ufos
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Wol Euler nods to Sam, and to Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: wow -- that was a cool animation.
    Lia Rikugun: wow thats fascinbating
    Agatha Macbeth: Those are probably the things which get mistaken for flying saucers
    Wol Euler nods.
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Samuo, where the edge is
    Wol Euler: http://cloudappreciationsociety.org/
    SophiaSharon Larnia: when there is none
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Boxy!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Boxy :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Alfred!
    Alfred Kelberry: happy anniversary! :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Alfred :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Woof bark, donkey
    Lia Rikugun: heyhey alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: change happens at the edge of things, on the margins
    Wol Euler: hello boxy
    Lia Rikugun: wow a little box dog
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Boxy still has his ballon :)
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, i'm celebrating
    Lia Rikugun: wroaafff
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay
    Agatha Macbeth: I think the balloon has Boxy :p
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ;p
    Alfred Kelberry: aga :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: celebrating what?
    oO0Oo Resident: Boxy :)
    Alfred Kelberry: 3 years of pab and counting
    Bruce Mowbray: "Having" seems always to be a two-way proposition.
    Lia Rikugun: how many hours and seconds?
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce :)
    Alfred Kelberry: can't really say


    hello Yaku happy brithday from all of us :)

    oO0Oo Resident: Yaku's Birthday also:) (RL)
    Alfred Kelberry: it keeps changing each second :)
    Lia Rikugun: oh i didnt know
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow lia, now theres an app for storm haha
    Agatha Macbeth: Today?
    Alfred Kelberry: today? really?
    Aphrodite Macbain tries to lower her stuck hand
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww happy birthday Yaku - waves
    Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
    Agatha Macbeth: ??
    Agatha Macbeth: I just see you levitating Aph :p
    Aphrodite Macbain: Happy Birthday Yaalu
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, you remind me of nikita with this bob cut :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Give or take 24 hours (Yaku's Birthday) Might have been yesterday ::sheepish grin::
    Alfred Kelberry: femme fatale
    oO0Oo Resident: la femme Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Khruschchev?
    Wol Euler: I thought it was last week :)
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Wol Euler: where's my shoe?
    Alfred Kelberry: on your foot
    Agatha Macbeth: That's what yaku says
    oO0Oo Resident: In every moment, let Yaku be born again... I will celebrate!
    Bruce Mowbray: one-shoe Yaku!
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we should get him one as a birthday present
    Wol Euler: but only one
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that is really the most endearing thing :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well he only needs one
    SophiaSharon Larnia: technically dont think we need them at all in sl
    Bruce Mowbray: I never wear 'em myself.
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe you only need one foot yaku
    Agatha Macbeth: Then we can tell him to hop it:p
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Wol Euler: ha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (only kidding Yak)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yaku is here? Or ... am I missing something? :P
    Agatha Macbeth looks round
    Aphrodite Macbain: just his shoe
    Lia Rikugun: we are talking to the future yaku
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Agatha Macbeth: He's hiding behind a pillar
    Wol Euler: in time, not in space
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heheh
    Lia Rikugun: message from the past
    Gaya Ethaniel ponders.
    Alfred Kelberry: happy birthday, yaku!!!
    Alfred Kelberry: (just in case)
    Agatha Macbeth: Happy birthday to Yak, happy birthday to Yak, etc...
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: and if not in case -- Happy UNbirthday, Yaku!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: you hacve a deep laugh SS
    Agatha Macbeth: Follow the White Rabbit
    Alfred Kelberry: i like your look, gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, you look really cute
    Alfred Kelberry: a folk girl :)


    happy birthday Gaya! so many birthdays, PaB, Yaku, Gaya...

    Gaya Ethaniel: Wonder who's birthday mine will fall on next year? This year ... Yaku's :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Mine changes each year ...
    Agatha Macbeth: It does?
    Wol Euler: O.O really?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes, it was yesterday this year. Last year was ... can't remember.
    Wol Euler: how does that work?
    Agatha Macbeth: I know the Chinese new year is different every year
    Lia Rikugun: yesterday?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Lunar calendar ...
    oO0Oo Resident: I like your appearances, and revel in your minds
    Lia Rikugun: happy birthday then
    Alfred Kelberry: wow, happy brithday, cute bunny :)
    Wol Euler: wow
    Gaya Ethaniel: Danke :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Happy Birthday Gaya!
    Wol Euler: happy lunar birthday
    Agatha Macbeth is puzzled
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Aphrodite Macbain: What sign are you Yaku?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: happy birthday Gaya :D
    iwandertoo Resident: happy b-day
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you thank you :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay
    Gaya Ethaniel: aw :)


    butterflies and fragility

    Agatha Macbeth: Flutterbys
    Aphrodite Macbain: awwww flutterbies
    Alfred Kelberry: wee!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bouncing
    oO0Oo Resident: brb
    Alfred Kelberry: butterflies for gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: each one different
    Gaya Ethaniel: Butterflies remind me of one of Hurst's ... how fragile and fleeting life is.
    Bruce Mowbray: like clouds.
    Lia Rikugun: hmm
    Gaya Ethaniel nods :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Blowin' in the wind
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "fragility"
    Aphrodite Macbain: but with enormous power. thay can fly for underds of miles
    Gaya Ethaniel: Lovely too ... :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hundreds
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes and cause massive storms in far off lands :)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Aphrodite Macbain: do they?
    Bruce Mowbray: One must be incrediblyfragile to be able to travel undreds of miles.
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
    Bruce Mowbray: 8hundreds.
    Aphrodite Macbain: they need a lot of landing pads
    Bruce Mowbray: *hundreds
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Gaya
    Agatha Macbeth: Oops, nearly WoK time
    Bruce Mowbray: They also fly across large bodies of water -- with no landing pads.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well metaphorically ... maybe not so metaphorically ... :)
    Wol Euler saw her first butterfly of 2011 yesterday, on the way to work
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: and flowers along the way,. Plant some flowers on your balcony atd feed the butterflies
    iwandertoo Resident: "One must be incredibly fragile to be able to travel undreds of miles.", nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: WONDERFUL, Wol!
    Agatha Macbeth: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSeeee***********
    Agatha Macbeth: clap
    Gaya Ethaniel: If you like films, I recommend a Spanish film - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_%281999_film%29
    Agatha Macbeth: Hola
    Gaya Ethaniel: OK time to move onto WoK :) Nice catching up with you all.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Gaya :)
    Alfred Kelberry: gaya, sadly, the movie club is no more
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    iwandertoo Resident: waves, tc.
    Lia Rikugun: bye gaya
    Agatha Macbeth: WoK this way :p
    Gaya Ethaniel: Impermenance Alfred :P
    Aphrodite Macbain: movie club???
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye all who aren't coming
    Bruce Mowbray is off to Way of Knowing -- May all be relaxed and fragile today!
    Alfred Kelberry: wokey!
    Gaya Ethaniel: bfn
    Aphrodite Macbain: ears prick up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone leavng <3
    Wol Euler: bye all
    Wol Euler: I shall go too, I think
    Alfred Kelberry: let's go, woly. i'll show you the way.
    Wol Euler: take care, be slowly happy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! all butterflies
    Alfred Kelberry: ha! a gun! :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: return soon
    Lia Rikugun: byebye will go to bed
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!
    Lia Rikugun: nice to see you all
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice to see you too Lia
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Lia
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zon
    Zon Kwan: heya
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zon
    oO0Oo Resident: back
    iwandertoo Resident: wb


    I went to bed at this point and will leave the remainder uncommented

    oO0Oo Resident: ty Susan, and this is interesting: [13:59] Susan Sorensson: "One must be incredibly fragile to be able to travel undreds of miles."
    iwandertoo Resident: (originally from bruce)
    oO0Oo Resident smiles.. a fragile thread
    oO0Oo Resident: ty
    iwandertoo Resident: perhaps it's in the awareness of the distance one has travelled...the lessons learnt and re-taken
    oO0Oo Resident smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now all, have fun :))
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Aphrodite Macbain: must be tough and fragile at the same time
    oO0Oo Resident: bye SSL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I must be whooshing soon. Plumbing must be plumbed...
    Aphrodite Macbain: taps must be turned
    iwandertoo Resident: tc
    oO0Oo Resident: when I think of the narrow temerature range we exist in on planet Earth, and the context of what we know of 'outer space', and our proximity to the Sun, and the tilt of the Earth, giving seasons etc... I recognise something of how fragile our lives are, yet alone how short in duration...
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Aph :)
    oO0Oo Resident: sometimes I feel 'sacredness' is merely understanding, and appreciating how tentative and fleeting it all is
    iwandertoo Resident: fleeting as in the duration of one's life span?
    Storm Nordwind slips away quietly
    oO0Oo Resident: broadly yes, and then also in all the chages that might interfere with our identity, hopes, expectations
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Storm :)
    oO0Oo Resident: the play goes on... however ::laughs::
    iwandertoo Resident: I'm sorry Samud...not sure I understand, but am listening.
    Zon Kwan: waves,,,
    oO0Oo Resident: thinking of "Play as Being", and how that PLAY goes on in new forms (clouds/coloursnuts) of being, after "me" has become ash or compost etc... :)
    oO0Oo Resident waves to Zon
    iwandertoo Resident: nods
    oO0Oo Resident: and butterfly effect... suggests that "me" is composed potentially of effects of all "me"s or others, at least consciousness's effects
    oO0Oo Resident: in time
    oO0Oo Resident: and space
    oO0Oo Resident shrugs... not well thought out... I am just being discursive
    iwandertoo Resident: listening...taking note
    oO0Oo Resident: thought comes to mind about subtelty... and just as history may only record certain gross aspects, perhaps also the most sacred is ethereal, and passes like clouds do.
    iwandertoo Resident: are they separate - ?
    iwandertoo Resident: or are you conveying that the sacred is in all details, yet we think at the aggregate level and lose site of the building blocks?
    oO0Oo Resident: what a great question! I think not actually ::laughs::
    iwandertoo Resident: *sight
    oO0Oo Resident: big view + all the details
    oO0Oo Resident: reflected in each other?
    oO0Oo Resident: through awareness?
    iwandertoo Resident: i believe the are
    iwandertoo Resident: but it is also the thing we most often take for granted.
    iwandertoo Resident: sort of the 6 whys
    oO0Oo Resident: ?? 6 whys?
    iwandertoo Resident: you ask people why, why and ingeneral they can respond...but past this, they are at a lost
    iwandertoo Resident: *loss
    iwandertoo Resident: most prevalent when discussing abstract ideas or high level concepts
    iwandertoo Resident: behavior of rationalizing rather than understanding (true understanding)
    iwandertoo Resident: we read something and think to ourselves - now i understand. but applying that knowledge...find that we have many questions to be answered
    iwandertoo Resident: (hopefully i am making sense)
    oO0Oo Resident: questions often lead to more questions, which suggests that learning to live with uncertainty, might be worthwhile
    iwandertoo Resident: lifeis uncertain...always
    oO0Oo Resident: and to brig that concept into one's way of being...
    oO0Oo Resident: ring*
    oO0Oo Resident: *bring
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    oO0Oo Resident: maybe ring
    iwandertoo Resident: haha
    oO0Oo Resident: cognative dissonance, and Bias Conformation.. capacity.. survival...
    oO0Oo Resident: life force
    oO0Oo Resident: life finding ways to go on
    iwandertoo Resident: yes, true.
    oO0Oo Resident: refocusing on the TFT display of this computer, I see greenery.. boughs of evergreen tree, bowing in wind, and in proximity to thinking about life in the Universe. Big abstracts, and very personal experiences... both
    oO0Oo Resident: The trees are reflected in the display, through a window.
    iwandertoo Resident: ?
    oO0Oo Resident laughs
    oO0Oo Resident: sorry
    oO0Oo Resident: I may be sounding non-sequitur here
    iwandertoo Resident: it's funny. i know there is no "should" here. but often i feel as if i am sitting among others striving in their own way for answers...and i have absolutely no understanding of their means
    oO0Oo Resident: ind scaling between concepts and perceptions
    oO0Oo Resident: *mind
    oO0Oo Resident: "should" just happens, as does "striving" I suppose, and the questions , or space remains.. ongoingly
    iwandertoo Resident: and there are those moments in life...where one has retained conversations (tho lacked a depth of understanding at the time) where it "clicks". and that sense of, "i understand now" - the click
    oO0Oo Resident smiles
    oO0Oo Resident: things seem to percolate
    oO0Oo Resident: and for some reason... I love that
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident thinks of line in movie 'Zen Noir' : "Must not lose orange!"
    iwandertoo Resident: ?
    oO0Oo Resident: Maybe it will make sense later?
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Susan.. gtsy :)
    iwandertoo Resident: yes...in time...
    iwandertoo Resident: in time all things make sense
    iwandertoo Resident: and one can laugh
    oO0Oo Resident: if space..
    iwandertoo Resident: in understanding
    oO0Oo Resident: :)))
    iwandertoo Resident: best to you, Samud
    oO0Oo Resident: and to you
    oO0Oo Resident: and to all

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