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*Wol Euler was guardian for this session.*

Wol Euler: good evening, egg

eggsalad Ormstein: well, what should we talk about?

eggsalad Ormstein: hi wol!

Wol Euler: being full of vigour and decisiveness tonight? :)

eggsalad Ormstein: time is of the essence

Wol Euler: ah, but the sages tell us there is no time.

Wol Euler: it's just a perceptual illusion, they say

Wol Euler: mind you, these same sages usually have pensions ...

Wol Euler: so clearly they believe in "future events" even if they don't believe in time

eggsalad Ormstein: The Rolling Stones say Time Is On My Side

Wol Euler: interesting to use the present tense (they say) about a song that was written nearly fifty years ago

Wol Euler: continuous present of art?

eggsalad Ormstein: well, it appears they were correct, not many bands that old still play together, if the members are even alive at all

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: that is true, no deaths and only one drop-out IIRC

eggsalad Ormstein: those guys myst be approaching 70

Wol Euler: quite a surprising record

Wol Euler: why do bands break up, or die off, I wonder?

eggsalad Ormstein: Whereas a band called The Outsiders sang "Time Won't Let Me", and clearly it didn't - they only lasted a few years

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: artists tend to be flaky, and have no business forming groups in the first place

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: perhaps that's the catch, then: some think of their band as a business *together* whereas artists think of thier own success being diluted by the others?

eggsalad Ormstein: seems like a good theory

--BELL--

Wol Euler: or perhaps the bands that stay together started out by wanting to have fun, and those that break up wanted to be famous/rich/socially accepted

eggsalad Ormstein: now you may be overthinking this :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: good morning, obs

Wol Euler: our resident builder, Storm, plays guitar quite well (he tells us and I saw no reason to disbelieve)

Wol Euler: but knowing htat somehow didn't prepare me for seeing photos of him onstage in front of an audience :)

Wol Euler: a pick-up band, which is the connection :)

Wol Euler: not a permanent group

eggsalad Ormstein: that makes it a hobby, which is always more fun than a job

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: and a hobbyist can take his hobby every bit as seriously as a professional

Wol Euler: there was a word that I discovered recently for "deadly serious amateur", but I can't remember it

Wol Euler: not "obsessive" :)

eggsalad Ormstein: was in in German?

Wol Euler: I'm pretty sure it was English

Wol Euler: I think I read it in an online discussion of creativity

Wol Euler: but I have to admit, I often don'T know what language something I read was in :)

eggsalad Ormstein: well, the Germans have a habit of combining 2 or 3 word ideas into a single word

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: Scheinwerfer, for one

Wol Euler: yep :)

Wol Euler: light-thrower

Wol Euler: quite a different concept to "spotlight"

--BELL--

eggsalad Ormstein: which in English, can also translate into headlight

Wol Euler: yes, also true

Wol Euler: the german language knows that light travels, english thinks that it simply exists :)

eggsalad Ormstein: most of my foreign language knowledge is about either automobile parts or food

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: I guess you start with what's useful to you, at the time

Wol Euler: that habit of combining words makes it easier for beginners to communicate in German

Wol Euler: if you are lost for a word, you just take 2 or 3 concepts and glue them together. People will understand what you mean

Wol Euler: whereas english isn't set up that way. Scheinwerfer is a perfectly valid coinage, but light-thrower is not.

eggsalad Ormstein: I work with foreigners of many languages. they do it all the time

Wol Euler revises her concepts

eggsalad Ormstein: today I learned the French for "big flower, looks like sun"

Wol Euler: mmm?

eggsalad Ormstein: I've forgotten the French, but in English, it's "Sunflower"

Wol Euler: "tournesol" perhaps?

eggsalad Ormstein: so we can too do what Germans do!

eggsalad Ormstein: lol, yes, that's it

Wol Euler: yes, sure, in english one can use a phrase to describe what you mean.

Wol Euler: and thinking about it, that's probably more common in GErman too than trying to invent a new compound word

Wol Euler: perhaps that was my language-geekery coming out

eggsalad Ormstein: well, I am a slow learner of language

eggsalad Ormstein: In German, is the word for petroleum oil the same as food oils?

Wol Euler: the base "oil" is, yes: both are öl

Wol Euler: but that word is so extremely generic that it's actually seldom used

Wol Euler: öl usually means crude oil straight from the ground

eggsalad Ormstein: hm, I thought Oel

Wol Euler: yes, that's the same

Wol Euler: oe = ö

eggsalad Ormstein: ah

Wol Euler: oe is swissgerman

eggsalad Ormstein: oelfilter

Wol Euler: ae = ä

Wol Euler: ue = ü

Wol Euler: sz = ß

eggsalad Ormstein: oh, I'm not yet ready to be confused with swiss-german

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: it's only confusing when spoken :) writtten is nearly identical

Wol Euler: the umlauts are a trouble in German

Wol Euler: especially now, because the internet doesn't know them

Wol Euler: it would have to be oelfilter.something.de

Wol Euler: not ölfilter...

Wol Euler: so the oe- spellings are becoming more common

eggsalad Ormstein: hm, checking my favorite catalog from wagner und gunther

eggsalad Ormstein: yes, they still use umlauts

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: auto parts? :)

Wol Euler: or food?

eggsalad Ormstein: I once sent a friend all the way to Hamburg just to get parts from them

Wol Euler: ah :)

eggsalad Ormstein: auto parts, of course. Alles fur Volvo!

Wol Euler: you buy Swedish autoparts in Hamburg?

--BELL--

eggsalad Ormstein: it's cheaper than in Sweden!

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: the modern world...

eggsalad Ormstein: certain parts were never sold in the US

Wol Euler: how can something be more expensive where it's made, than after shipping it 700km?

Wol Euler: you'd have to believe that shipping has negative value, in classical economic theory

eggsalad Ormstein: at that moment, the Euro was cheaper than the Kronor

eggsalad Ormstein: so in practical terms, the shipping *made* it cheaper

Wol Euler: mmhmm, and there is taxation too I guess ...

eggsalad Ormstein: also, my friend was visiting Hamburg from the US, and I had no friends visiting Sweden :)

Wol Euler chuckles.

Wol Euler: actually, that's funny, I thought you were a BMW fan

Wol Euler: perhaps I'm mixing conversations with two people

eggsalad Ormstein: must be, I prefer the Swede

eggsalad Ormstein: BMW= Bring Money in Wheelbarrows

Wol Euler: I remember a brilliant Volvo print ad, probably 20 years ago now

Wol Euler: yeah :)

Wol Euler: picture of a volvo station wagon, below it in huge print "Faster than a Porsche!"

eggsalad Ormstein: what was the ad? I'm a bit of a collector

Wol Euler: oh, in a magazine, perhaps GQ?

Wol Euler: it ran in England sometime in the early 90s I'm guessing

eggsalad Ormstein: hm. The 740 Turbo Estate ad compared it to a Lamborghini towing a cargo trailer

Wol Euler: anyway, "Faster than a Porsche!"

Wol Euler: below that, smaller: "100 to 0 in 2.2 seconds"

eggsalad Ormstein: aha!

Wol Euler: below that, smaller still: "And in a straight line, too"

Wol Euler: I thought that was brilliant

eggsalad Ormstein: they had a way of doing that, in the early years

eggsalad Ormstein: http://images.hemmings.com/wp-conten...oLambo_700.jpg

--BELL--

Wol Euler: ah, that's wonderful :)

Wol Euler: oh, but it's 11am and work is going to call soon :(

Wol Euler: it was nice chatting to you egg.

eggsalad Ormstein: oh crud. Well, you have a great day!

Wol Euler: and you a good night. sleep well

Wol Euler: bye egg, bye obs

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