Page last modified 00:05, 12 Apr 2011 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian for this session. Somebody came to the session who shouldn't have been here, and after a great deal of e-mail correspondence it was decided that we cannot record the names or the comments of such people even if they give permission.*

Wol Euler: hello egg

eggsalad Ormstein: hi gang

Wol Euler: hello egg, yaku

Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning everyone

Yakuzza Lethecus: morning agatha!

Wol Euler: good morning, aggers

Agatha Macbeth: Guten Morgen :)

Wol Euler: you're on early today

Wol Euler smiles at yaku

eggsalad Ormstein: wie gehts?

Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, just having breakfast

Agatha Macbeth: :)

Agatha Macbeth notes Yaku's aflac tambourine

Alfred Kelberry: hi! :)

Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Boxy :)

Wol Euler: hello boxy

Yakuzza Lethecus: Sehr gut, in Deutschland bzw. wenigstens in der Region in der ich lebe haben wir sehr schönes Wetter und ich trinke meinen dritten Kaffee :)

Agatha Macbeth: And hello Rhiannon :)

Wol Euler: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: Hey boxy and rhi

Wol Euler: hello rhi

Agatha Macbeth: Sehr gut Yak :)

eggsalad Ormstein: rhia!!

Alfred Kelberry: um, guys, how about a little impromptu "jam"?

Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Sage!

Agatha Macbeth: Strawberry?

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: I've got the toast

Agatha Macbeth: Good heavens

Rhiannon Dragoone: hi eggs!

Alfred Kelberry: it's not me this time :)

Alfred Kelberry: my uncle

Yakuzza Lethecus: yay boxy :)

Rhiannon Dragoone: boxy, are you in voice?

Agatha Macbeth: I never knew you couldn't play the guitar Alf

Agatha Macbeth: :p

Wol Euler wonders what's going on

Agatha Macbeth: This must be a leftover from last night

Yakuzza Lethecus: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSeeee***********

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Yay, Alfie!

Agatha Macbeth: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSeeee***********

Agatha Macbeth: clap

Alfred Kelberry: uncle is the one who taught me :)

Alfred Kelberry: yet, it's all him now

Agatha Macbeth: Just don't give up programming :p

eggsalad Ormstein: hi box

Yakuzza Lethecus: great :)

Agatha Macbeth: Sweet

Agatha Macbeth: Sun would be proud of you

Yakuzza Lethecus: a lot better then i can play but it shouldn't stop me trying :)

Alfred Kelberry: he's at my place jamming so i thought i'd share a little :)

Agatha Macbeth smiles

Alfred Kelberry: i like your guitar, yaku :)

Agatha Macbeth turns her RL radio back up

Wol Euler grins and does the same

Agatha Macbeth: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i suck but it's interesting to follow the mind how motivation and demotivation runs for me related to the quality of contribution of other ppl

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Wol Euler: it's OK to suck when everyone else does too? :)

Agatha Macbeth: Well at least it's a level playing field then!

Yakuzza Lethecus: well, fear of appearance is a concern sometimes at least for me, knowing that some ppl just say "yay" and afterwards gossip how much someone sucked

Yakuzza Lethecus: to have been exposed to that kidn of gossip leaves its marks and have and influence

Wol Euler: haters hate, that is their small and sad kind of pleasure. It's not worth worrying about them.

Agatha Macbeth: True

Yakuzza Lethecus: that didn't happen here, but these issue is propably a good subject

Yakuzza Lethecus: because i can't just overcome it

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: if we're being honest, I'm not free of it either :) rudeness hurts, sure.

Agatha Macbeth nods and strokes Wol's head

Alfred Kelberry: i like this quote: you can't fail completely :)

Agatha Macbeth: I need to poner that one

Agatha Macbeth: +d

Wol Euler: pwn it?

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Agatha Macbeth: not pawn it!

Agatha Macbeth: Wouldn't fetch much

Wol Euler nods.

Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, my karate instructor once said that anything worth doing is worth doing badly at first

Alfred Kelberry: also, there's always someone who doesn't like/approve of what you do

Wol Euler laughs.

Wol Euler: the thing is to distinguish between criticism that is based in judgement and the desire to help improve ...

Agatha Macbeth grins @ Rhi

Wol Euler: ... and rudeness which is based on the desire to hurt

Agatha Macbeth: Exactly

Wol Euler: I've never yet met a hater who was interested in more than distributing pain

Agatha Macbeth: Constructive criticism can be instructive

Agatha Macbeth: And you learn more from being wrong than being right

Wol Euler: absolutely

Wol Euler: as long as the wrongness is pointed out in a way that leaves you ... safe and comfortable to continue, let's say

Agatha Macbeth: Yes

Wol Euler: how many people give up on maths (say) because a teacher says in a moment of exasperation "you'll never understand this"?

Agatha Macbeth: Quite a few I would imagine

Alfred Kelberry: never heard it from a teacher

Wol Euler: lucky you

Wol Euler: you wer a good student, or you had good teachers

Rhiannon Dragoone: I make a good chunk of my living now from people who had math teachers like that

Agatha Macbeth: I think it's when you get the same thing wrong over and over that you give up

Alfred Kelberry: rhia :)

Agatha Macbeth: Ha

Rhiannon Dragoone: One of my students will not go for his GED because he still has that math teacher in his head

Wol Euler nods.

Agatha Macbeth: People react to criticism in different ways

Alfred Kelberry: *hugs woly*

Yakuzza Lethecus: well after my marks were bad for years i kind of did, well wonder how to replace the "timeframe of pityness" with construciveness

Wol Euler smiles and hugs back

Yakuzza Lethecus: i complain a lot about my math skills :P

Agatha Macbeth: Some learn from it, some just crumple, and some hit you! :PP

Wol Euler: :)

Alfred Kelberry: aga :)

Alfred Kelberry: various perception

Rhiannon Dragoone: Aggers, What does not kill us makes us stronger? lol

Agatha Macbeth: Truly :p

Alfred Kelberry: "timeframe of pityness" - i like that :)

Wol Euler ponders.

Wol Euler: getting things wrong is not necessarily a problem, not evne time after time

Agatha Macbeth: By the way Rhi, are you up really late or really early?

Wol Euler: watch kids learning to skateboard, they fall off dozens of times. but they continue

Wol Euler: most of them, at least

Agatha Macbeth nods

Wol Euler: perhaps because the community supports them in that?

Wol Euler: their community of fellow learning skaters

Agatha Macbeth: Could be

Agatha Macbeth: Or peer pressure?

Wol Euler: whereas there is no such community of struggling math students in school

Alfred Kelberry: yes, woly, it's an iterative process. doing is what counts.

Wol Euler: yes, perhaps either way. "Don'T be a quitter"

Wol Euler: the point that interested me was the continuing, boxy

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Wol Euler: people give up on school subjects because they fail once or twice

Wol Euler: but people "fail" to stay on a skateboard a hundred times a day, and still keep trying

Wol Euler: why is that?

Rhiannon Dragoone: Aggers, up really late

Agatha Macbeth: Maybe many think intellectual persuits beyond them?

Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, I'm hearing a blame the victim attitude here

Agatha Macbeth: Aww :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: well, with additional math teaching i had a community of failing and the successful ppl were always atteached to those who were constructive to bring them forward, i kind of fear community's in stuggeling sometimes

Rhiannon Dragoone: A lot of times, schools ruin people's learning; it's not their fault

Wol Euler: not from me you aren't, rhi.

Wol Euler: agreed absolutely

Agatha Macbeth grins @ 'schools ruin peoples' learning'

Agatha Macbeth: 'When I think of all the crap I learned in high school' as Paul Simon said

Rhiannon Dragoone: "Don't be a quitter?" That implies someone who failed to learn gave up, when he may not have had the right encouragement

Wol Euler: wrong context, rhi. I was imagining that being said by one skater to anohter, to encourage her to stay on the board

Wol Euler: but it can be used as an insult, de haut en bas, sure.

Agatha Macbeth: positive as opposed to negative comment

Wol Euler: right

Wol Euler: "stay with us"

Alfred Kelberry: i think the problem at large is an attitude towards failure in our society. it's considered awful and you're labeled a loser if you fail. as if no one ever does.

Wol Euler: exactly :)

Agatha Macbeth nods

Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, maybe I am up too late. lol

Wol Euler: "[The brilliant mathematician Yutaka Taniyama] was gifted with the special ability of making many mistakes, mostly in the right direction. I envied him for this and tried in vain to imitate him, but found it quite difficult to make good mistakes."

Agatha Macbeth hands Rhi some coffee

Agatha Macbeth: Nice, Wol :)

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Wol Euler: Goro Shimura, talking about a colleague

Wol Euler: a great attitude to mistakes

Alfred Kelberry: meep!

Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P

Wol Euler: :)

Alfred Kelberry: meep said

Wol Euler: (note for the log: a flurry of sound effects)

Alfred Kelberry: imagine how many beautiful talents and inventions we never get to see due to this fear of failure

Wol Euler nods.

Agatha Macbeth: Or songs, paintings and poems

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: or friendships ...

Agatha Macbeth: Yes

Agatha Macbeth: Or relationships

Alfred Kelberry: one recent example is a guy who wrote a plugin to a major library and quietly mentioned "i made a little plugin, but i'm sure it's horrific". i said let us see! and guess what? it was packaged and included to the extensions pool.

Wol Euler smiles.

Agatha Macbeth: I seem to be unusually philisophical first thing in the morning :p

Wol Euler: we should get you up early more often :)

Agatha Macbeth: Hmm

Wol Euler chuckles and hands you another coffee

Alfred Kelberry: aga girl :)

Agatha Macbeth: There ya go Alf

Alfred Kelberry: someone's talking

Alfred Kelberry: ah, yaku!

Agatha Macbeth: I see green lines over Yaku's head :)

Alfred Kelberry: lovely

Alfred Kelberry: aga :)

Agatha Macbeth: Do I hear a guitar?

Agatha Macbeth: Yay

Alfred Kelberry: yes, you do :)

Agatha Macbeth: Sry, had to turn vol up

Alfred Kelberry: tap tap tap

Agatha Macbeth: I like the way Yaku's lips move when he plays

Alfred Kelberry: haha

Agatha Macbeth: Nice

Yakuzza Lethecus: well i need more playfulness with all the things i guess we are all maybe our worst enemys

Alfred Kelberry: i really like live music in sl... one that comes up suddenly. arises in the moment :)

Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we should get Gaya to play her piano again :)

--BELL--

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Alfred Kelberry: yaku, i think you're right

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Alfred Kelberry: gah! i never heard gaya playing!

Yakuzza Lethecus: right, i was amazed when i heard her, only her microfone was a little bit bad but the playing was really nice

Alfred Kelberry: that would be lovely

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Agatha Macbeth: She was wonderful Alf

Alfred Kelberry: aww

Alfred Kelberry: :(

Alfred Kelberry: we should really ask her nicely to play on the music session :)

Agatha Macbeth: She said 'I sound rusty', but she was brilliant

Alfred Kelberry: yes, they all do :)

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Agatha Macbeth: I didn't even hear the bell :(

Agatha Macbeth: We must be getting too carried away with the conversation

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Agatha Macbeth grins

Alfred Kelberry: *strokes woly's hair*

Wol Euler smiles.

Agatha Macbeth does likewise

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Wol Euler grins.

Agatha Macbeth: Stereo stroking

Wol Euler: mmmmmmm

Alfred Kelberry: 3d :)

Agatha Macbeth: As well

Alfred Kelberry: i haven't seen 3d (the av) for so long

Wol Euler: not in ages.

Wol Euler: not even at the birthday celebration, I realize

Agatha Macbeth: Think he's on open sim now

Wol Euler: nor ade

Alfred Kelberry: i hope he's well

Wol Euler: yeah, they spend their time building opensims

Alfred Kelberry: do you know where?

Wol Euler: no, but I'm sure it would easy enough to find out

Wol Euler: check their profiles

Alfred Kelberry: ah

Alfred Kelberry: what's his full name? :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to eat something, really nice this morning! take care everyone

Agatha Macbeth: Threedee Shepherd I think

Wol Euler: bye yaku, enjoy the sunny day

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Rhiannon Dragoone: I have to leave now; it is getting late for me

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Alfred Kelberry: http://3demb.com/

Wol Euler: bye rhi, sleep well

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Agatha Macbeth: Dream well Rhi

Alfred Kelberry: night, rhia

Alfred Kelberry: dream of math :)

Rhiannon Dragoone: Wol, you too

Wol Euler: hehehehe

Rhiannon Dragoone: Aggers, always

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Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, I have, boxy

Rhiannon Dragoone waves and poofs

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Alfred Kelberry: look! he's still a lion :) http://3demb.com/about.html

Alfred Kelberry: yes, woly can be a cute furry girl :)

Wol Euler smiles.

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Agatha Macbeth: I'll take a look at that later Alf, ty

Wol Euler: well, most avs are so huge.

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Agatha Macbeth: I wish the AIRC would have more meetings

Wol Euler: yeah, really

Alfred Kelberry: irc?

Agatha Macbeth: It's an interesting subject

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: AIRC - avatar identity research group

Alfred Kelberry: ah

Agatha Macbeth: (i think Wol's reading)

Wol Euler: sorry :)

Wol Euler: got sidetracked onto wikipedia

Agatha Macbeth: :)

Wol Euler sighs

Agatha Macbeth: I know you too well dear

Wol Euler: it's a black hole for attention

Agatha Macbeth agrees

Agatha Macbeth: But as someone who reads labels on sauce bottles, I can't say too much

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Wol Euler: readers read, that's what tehy do

Agatha Macbeth: Indeed

Wol Euler: one of my father's favourite stories is seeing me, age 13 or so, reading my mother's knitting pattern while tying my shoelaces :)

Agatha Macbeth: :)))

Wol Euler: they're like lists of chess moves

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Wol Euler: m3 p4 d1 m17 p1 m5

Agatha Macbeth: I was gonna say: read a knitting pattern?

Wol Euler: I wanted to make sense of it :)

Wol Euler: understand how it worked

Agatha Macbeth: Bit like programming then? :p

Wol Euler: heheheh

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Agatha Macbeth: A435DL6, etc

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Agatha Macbeth: If i can't do something yesterday, I just can't be bothered

Wol Euler: postcrastination :)

Agatha Macbeth: That's why i never learned the piano

Wol Euler: or "anticrastination" perhaps :)

Agatha Macbeth: Well, something-crastination

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: hi :)

Agatha Macbeth: Hi who?

Agatha Macbeth: Silver

Wol Euler: away!

Wol Euler laughs.

Wol Euler: oh, we are so close.

Agatha Macbeth: Music plays

Alfred Kelberry: silver platter

Alfred Kelberry: *rubs his nose*

Wol Euler rubs boxy's nose too

Alfred Kelberry: :P

Alfred Kelberry: hi, Visitor

Alfred Kelberry: please join us :)

Alfred Kelberry: aga doesn't bite :)

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Visitor

Agatha Macbeth: I don't?

Alfred Kelberry: um, sometimes :)

Wol Euler: hello Visitor, have you beeen here before?

Visitor: no

--BELL--

Visitor takes a humble bow

Alfred Kelberry: welcome to play as being then! :)

Visitor: ty

Alfred Kelberry: 3 years in sl

Visitor: why is it recorded?

Alfred Kelberry: um... some can't make it and read it online

Visitor: oh

Agatha Macbeth: We keep a record so members who can't be here can read up later Visitor

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: continuity of sort, i think

Wol Euler: may we have your permission to include your SL name and your comments in the published log?

Visitor: what is the bell about?

Wol Euler: [02:14] Play as Being 15 minute bell: Please observe 90 seconds of silence.

Wol Euler: :)

Visitor: i dunno yet

Wol Euler: in theory we pause for 90 seconds to practice whatever we had been talking about earler

Alfred Kelberry: the bell reminds us of our senses :)

Visitor: practice?

Wol Euler: but we sometimes talk through it, e.g. if somebody new arrives and needs an introduction

Visitor: ty

Alfred Kelberry: others than typing :)

Agatha Macbeth: If you don't want your name to appear in the log Visitor, we can edit it out..

Visitor: i am a visitor

Agatha Macbeth nods

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, we can refer to you as 'visitor' if you wish

Visitor: k

Wol Euler makes a note

Visitor: ty

Agatha Macbeth: It's ok, not everyone who comes here wants to be recorded, and that's understandable :)

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Alfred Kelberry: so, um...

Alfred Kelberry: i have to go

Visitor: ok me too

Wol Euler: bye Visitor, take care

Visitor takes a humble bow

Alfred Kelberry: you guys have fun

Agatha Macbeth: Ok, thanks for dropping by :)

Visitor: ty

Wol Euler: btw, Visitor, before you go

Agatha Macbeth: Take care Boxy, program well

Alfred Kelberry: aga, you talk like woly :)

Agatha Macbeth: Indeed :)

Wol Euler: if you come back, and people ask whether you've been here before: since you are returning, they will assume that you agree to be named in the log.

Alfred Kelberry: but she says "fold well" :)

Wol Euler: you must tell them if you want to be kept anonymous

Agatha Macbeth smiles

Agatha Macbeth nods

Visitor: ty

Wol Euler: yw, enjoy the weekend

Agatha Macbeth waves

Alfred Kelberry: ok, you then... sit well :)

Agatha Macbeth: Edith?

Wol Euler: :)

Alfred Kelberry: ok, bye

Wol Euler: bye boxy, stay dry

Agatha Macbeth: Dasvidanye

Wol Euler: sköl

Agatha Macbeth: Proost

Agatha Macbeth: Might as well switch off then?

Wol Euler: yep

Wol Euler: bye!

Wol Euler: oh, where's obs?

Agatha Macbeth: Obs?

Wol Euler: he hasn't missed a saturday 1am in ages.

Wol Euler: observerm

Agatha Macbeth: Don't know him

Agatha Macbeth: Oh, the guy who stands behind us?

Wol Euler: right

Agatha Macbeth: Day off maybe?

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: he must be waiting at the cemetery gates

Agatha Macbeth: ??

Wol Euler: on a sunny day like this

Wol Euler: the smifs

Agatha Macbeth: Aww

Agatha Macbeth slaps you

Wol Euler giggles.

Agatha Macbeth: Heaven knows I'm miserable now

Wol Euler: awwwww

Wol Euler hugs you

Agatha Macbeth smiles happily

Agatha Macbeth: Fracture tonight?

Wol Euler: yep!

Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully more there this week

Wol Euler: yeah, last was a little slow

Wol Euler: wave of particles :)

Wol Euler: low tide

Agatha Macbeth: Yep

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Wol Euler: all right, shoppingtime!

Agatha Macbeth: Mm

Wol Euler: see you later, aggers. enjoy your saturday

Agatha Macbeth: Get something nice for dinner :)

Wol Euler: will do

Agatha Macbeth: C u <3

Wol Euler: someting I can cook myself.

Wol Euler: <3

Agatha Macbeth: Yep!

Agatha Macbeth waves

Wol Euler: bye

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