2011.04.09 19:00 - Widening Focus

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: hi there, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Aloha Pema :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Managing naps between pub visits?
    Pema Pera: hi Druth! and Hokon!
    Hokon Cazalet: hiya =)
    Pema Pera: whenever I get a chance :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Hokon, ltns!
    Pema Pera: small world
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :))
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Hokon Cazalet: im back
    Hokon Cazalet: Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
    Pema Pera: keep running into each other here :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, Hokon, where were you that you are 'back' now? :)
    Hokon Cazalet: eh, hell lol
    Hokon Cazalet: aka philosophy house
    Pema Pera: how was that?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) ah, yes familiar with that ring
    Pema Pera: hi Steve!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: evening

    Druth livens up the conversations with more vivid imagery . . .

    druth Vlodovic: I tied her up and wouldn't let her leave until the session started :)
    Pema Pera: from pub to house to pavilion -- you're climbing up the social ladder, Hokon!
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) druth
    Pema Pera: wow, Druth, drastic!
    Hokon Cazalet: it worked :Þ
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Hokon Cazalet: it takes drastic methods to restrict a hokon
    Eliza Madrigal: must have been an interesting topic ...
    Hokon Cazalet: i enjoyed chatting with druth alot =)
    druth Vlodovic: ty :)
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: do I dare ask for a summary?
    Hokon Cazalet: um hehe
    Pema Pera: just the bottom line?
    druth Vlodovic: comic books?
    Pema Pera: or the top line?
    Hokon Cazalet is bad at summerizing personal encounters
    Hokon Cazalet: yup comic books came up =)
    Pema Pera: or a side line?
    druth Vlodovic: only she reads real philosopher which I think is unfair
    Hokon Cazalet: aw
    Eliza Madrigal: ;-)
    Hokon Cazalet: MWHAHAHA!!!
    Hokon Cazalet likes to cheat
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Pema Pera: which philosopher is that a quote of, Hokon?
    Eliza Madrigal ponders the term 'real' philospher
    Hokon Cazalet: um
    Hokon Cazalet: me
    Hokon Cazalet: :Þ
    Pema Pera: and then Spinoza burst out in laughter . . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Paradise
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Paradise :)
    Pema Pera: hi Paradise!

    We try to sketch the previous conversations from various angles . . .

    druth Vlodovic: we were discussion the relationship between philosophy and reality
    Hokon Cazalet: hi paradise =)
    Pema Pera: and laughter
    druth Vlodovic: hi para
    Pema Pera: and tying someone down
    Pema Pera: you get the picture
    Hokon Cazalet: the impossible was ahceived by druth
    druth Vlodovic: ah! pictures! I knew I forgot something
    Paradise Tennant: hiya pema .. druth .. eliza.. hokon .. stev good to see everyone :)
    Pema Pera: good to see you again, Paradise!
    Pema Pera: hi Eos, small world!
    Pema Pera: and Stoem!
    Pema Pera: Storm
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm and Eos :)
    Paradise Tennant: waves and smiles at Storm and Eos :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hello all!
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi gang!
    Hokon Cazalet: hi =)
    Eliza Madrigal read a delightful session about brussel sprouts today...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: how were they prepared?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles .. vegetables can be tantalizing :)
    Eliza Madrigal: roasted with a bit of lemon
    Storm Nordwind shudders at linking "delightful" with "brussels sprouts"
    Pema Pera: pick your delight, Storm :-)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles at Storm, so says my son as well
    Storm Nordwind is sitting next to his delight in RL :) <3
    Eos Amaterasu: as I used to say to my son, open your mouth, close your eyes, and open your mind
    Eliza Madrigal smiles some more
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at Storm's wise delight :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Eos

    I suggest an exploration.

    Pema Pera: just a suggestion: for the next 90 sec. break, shall we look at the quality/type/feel/sense of awareness? Like watching the sky and seeing the clouds drift by -- here thoughts and feelings & what not
    Pema Pera: (like: images of brussel's sprouts, for example)
    Eliza Madrigal: can not resist 'what not' either
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry, sleepy) :)) yes, nice sure :)
    Pema Pera enjoyed wathing thoughts do their thinking, lazily . . . . drifting
    Pema Pera: *watching
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, I tried a number of things, dancing with my senses.... but although I exlored each on.. I could not "taste"
    stevenaia Michinaga: explored each one
    Eliza Madrigal felt tensions in my neck and shoulders, let it roll away ...
    stevenaia Michinaga: sight, sounds, smell, touch... but no brussels spouts (even with mustard sauce)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: I was eating an apple (no brussels sprouts), and feeling each bite, how watery and more spacious each is....
    Eos Amaterasu: (in RL)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eos Amaterasu: I did get some brussels sprouts today, though
    Pema Pera wondering which apples are more spacious, in SL or RL . . .
    Eos Amaterasu: biting an apple kind of opens it up
    Pema Pera: in RL more salacious . . .
    Hokon Cazalet: spacious is a fun term to be using
    Storm Nordwind: During the 90 seconds, my awareness seemed to be hovering lightly over my physical body.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles cocoa here ..very dark .. tasty:)
    Storm Nordwind: My body has been feeling under the weather today: thick and heavy and lethargic. Yuk!
    Storm Nordwind: So easy to identify with that body and feel as though it is really me that's thick and heavy and lethargic.
    Storm Nordwind: But seeing the awareness as separate helped me dismiss that lethargy as not worthy of identification.
    Pema Pera: always so interesting to discover more degrees of freedom . . .
    Pema Pera: in any situation, in any moment
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Storm... that seems a spaciousness recognized...
    Storm Nordwind: Actually Eliza, it was more recognition of the onset of an illusion! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind is normally spaciously inclined ;)
    druth Vlodovic: "I don't feel bad, it only feels that way" handy :)
    Eos Amaterasu: gad
    Eliza Madrigal pictures Storm swooping in on illusion of lethargy
    Eos Amaterasu: it's like not having the blues, so you can't play the blues
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    A new and somewhat unexpected angle is brought in:

    Eos Amaterasu thinks of Jessica Rabbit
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: shes just drawn that way
    Paradise Tennant: smiles :)
    Eos Amaterasu: "I'm not really bad, I'm just drawn that way" :-)
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: from "what are we drawn to" to 'how are we drawn" . . .
    Storm Nordwind was unaware of this Jessica Rabbit of which you speak... but Google is my friend
    Eliza Madrigal laughs and waits for Storm's reaction
    Eos Amaterasu: a mixed Real/Toon movie
    Hokon Cazalet has Google as her God
    Paradise Tennant: thinks we each have our own pencil :)
    druth Vlodovic: creating illusions for ourselves, making them reality
    Eos Amaterasu: play seems to be acknowledging both reality and illusion
    Hokon Cazalet: yup eos
    Eos Amaterasu: is that owl I hear real?
    Storm Nordwind is sure that the slice of toast that transported him here tonight was quite as real as a magic carpet!

    Not visible here in the log is the silence of a few minutes, after which I proposed another exploration.

    Pema Pera is in a somewhat experimental mood, so if there is some interest in playing a bit . . . .
    Pema Pera: I recently tried the following, in some different situations
    Pema Pera: first just to look at a thought, or a sight, or whatever popped up
    Pema Pera: we know very well how to focus on something
    Pema Pera: but we can try the opposite
    Pema Pera: namely trying to widen our focus
    Pema Pera: like switching to a wide-angle lens
    stevenaia Michinaga: wide awareness
    Pema Pera: while keeping the precision (not de-focusing)
    Pema Pera: does that make sense?
    Pema Pera: shall we try that for, oh, 9 seconds?
    Pema Pera: and see what happens, just with one form of appearance?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ok
    Pema Pera: a sound, a sight, a memory, anything
    Eliza Madrigal: :) sure
    Pema Pera: okay!
    Pema Pera: 9 seconds done :)

    Quite a richness of reports follow:

    Pema Pera listend to the sounds of dishes rattling, then widened to music and conversations, and the many shades in the cafe he's in, while keeping the dishes rattling happily :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal chose a gardenia, widening to the bush outside which is blooming, and also then seeing the tiny ants scurrying around wthin the petals (sort of a few memories in one place)
    Eos Amaterasu: this had a me seeing, being seeing pattern: going from focus to space around focus which stayed opened as default larger space
    Eos Amaterasu just read that - gak! :-)
    Storm Nordwind had just switched on the desk fan to cool the PC, so widened to see its context ... on the desk, and my wife sitting nearby at her PC, and the sound of the fan the same volume of my tinitis and an owl in SL, and the feel of the draft from the fan being isolated as one single feeling all alone, and being aware from the latter that I wasn't feeling 'no separation' at the moment.
    Paradise Tennant: sitting in a darkish room illuminated by the colour and light of my computer screen which washes a bluish blush to everything .. just stayed with the light and then widened to the energy that it came from .. seeing how connected it all was :))
    Pema Pera: such a nice variety of impressions and expressions!
    Pema Pera: often we think in terms of contrasts, focused vs. distracted
    Pema Pera: but it is nice to experiment with non-focused yet keeping precision
    Pema Pera: and yes, very much related to being seen
    Pema Pera: as Eos mentioned
    Pema Pera: when we see, we use focus, in one way or other
    Pema Pera: but being seen is more open, wider
    druth Vlodovic: I found that after focusing on both the object and stuff around at the same time I became more aware of myself
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Hokon Cazalet: thats a common discovery i have as well
    Pema Pera: yes, I had that sense, too, Druth, like in the "being seen"
    Pema Pera: there is a parallel in martial arts -- knowing that you might be seen from any direction and prepared to respond to anything

    again a silence of several minutes . . . very peaceful.

    Pema Pera wondering whether the last few minutes we were all preparing to respond to anything . . . (^_^)
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems in dreams you are prepared for anything
    Pema Pera: interesting point!
    Hokon Cazalet: not in my dreams, sometimes i suprised and feel lost
    stevenaia Michinaga: was just floating in and out of sleep :)
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Eos Amaterasu: seems also that to be prepared for anything is also to be liable, subject to, anything.
    Hokon Cazalet: ive had fun experience on that border =)
    Storm Nordwind: A child may not be prepared to meet a nightmare for years
    Pema Pera: yes
    druth Vlodovic: yes, you become aware of being part of everything around, but then you become aware of everything around, you'd better like what you see :)
    Pema Pera: closing down is like a protective measure
    Pema Pera: often unconsciously so
    Pema Pera: turtle instinct
    Pema Pera: hi observem!
    observerm Resident: hi Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Obs :)
    Pema Pera: thank you all for joining us on this dark Saturday night!
    Pema Pera: I'll see some of you again in two hours, in the pub :)
    Pema Pera: perchance
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for the explorations Pema
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Hokon Cazalet waves
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves at observerm :)
    druth Vlodovic: have fun pema
    Pema Pera: thank you all !

    Eos and I are taking off, and the session would continue for a little longer.

    Eos Amaterasu: bye all, and thanks for the enchanting evening
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eos, Storm
    Eliza Madrigal: re the drawing thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrse3WqmNv4
    Eliza Madrigal: (for later)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves at all those departing ')
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm nodding too, but the group explorations are rather energizing
    stevenaia Michinaga: have to stay till dryer is done
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Steve
    Eliza Madrigal: dutiful
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Hokon Cazalet: i feel quite energized tonight =)
    druth Vlodovic: I tried defining the object instead of just observing it, then doing the same thing, didn't give the same sense of awareness
    Hokon Cazalet: it shouldnt give the same sense
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    druth Vlodovic: "shouldn't"?
    stevenaia Michinaga: ponders awareness...
    stevenaia Michinaga: when isn;t there waraeness, or is it jsut flavors
    stevenaia Michinaga: *awareness
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. almost could call it catching the full colour of the moment
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Hokon Cazalet: well you altered the context, applied a concept to detemine an object (regulatory), even if you suspend the determination, an echo would remains for a bit i think
    Paradise Tennant: like there is a spectrum a range of layers
    Eliza Madrigal: at different speeds almost...
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but there always awarness
    druth Vlodovic: oh, made the object more a part of my mind, so the whole scene became more imaginary then percieved
    Hokon Cazalet: ive had states close to no awareness, though i suspect its impossible to lack any awareness
    Hokon Cazalet: ohhh sorry i misunderstood =)
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, so a kind of concentration...
    Eliza Madrigal: lovely exploring with you all :) Think I'd better zzzzz...
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Hokon Cazalet: /mje waves
    druth Vlodovic: 'night eliza
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite eliza :) sweet dreams :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: NIght and Pleasant sleeps
    Eliza Madrigal: ty :)
    Paradise Tennant: sleepy here too :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: was napping before
    druth Vlodovic: I think I'll head as well
    stevenaia Michinaga: (here)
    druth Vlodovic: have fun guys
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite druth
    stevenaia Michinaga: will do better at a pink floyd concert if anyone is interested
    stevenaia Michinaga: (at staying awake
    Paradise Tennant: ?
    Paradise Tennant: where
    Paradise Tennant: ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: SL, ofcourse
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: happy to tp you
    Paradise Tennant: blinks okies ..
    Paradise Tennant: hokon ?
    Hokon Cazalet: naw ill hang out here, ty though =)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ok if you change your mind shout :)
    Hokon Cazalet: sure
    Hokon Cazalet: =)

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