2011.04.10 19:00 - As We Like It

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    iwandertoo Resident: waves ::)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening wanderer :)
    iwandertoo Resident: hopes all is well
    Calvino Rabeni: I will say yes, and for you?
    iwandertoo Resident: pensive day
    iwandertoo Resident: jumble of thoughts and memories
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    iwandertoo Resident: i watched a friend travel by doing cartwheels
    iwandertoo Resident: showed me about a SL area...but wandered by doing cartwheels and flips
    Calvino Rabeni: in life the second I understand you to mean?
    iwandertoo Resident: SL
    Calvino Rabeni: I find myself after a longish week seeking refuge in some world of verse
    iwandertoo Resident: written, spoken?
    --BELL--


    Calvino Rabeni: written and echoed on this enveloping net
    Calvino Rabeni: in which we and our words and now pixel selves do travel and distribute ourselves
    Calvino Rabeni: This for example
    Calvino Rabeni:

    Now, my co-mates and brothers in exile,
    Hath not old custom made this life more sweet
    Than that of painted pomp?  Are not these woods
    More free from peril than the envious court?
    Here feel we but the penalty of Adam,
    The seasons' difference, as the icy fang
    And churlish chiding of the winter's wind,
    Which, when it bites and blows upon my body,
    Even till I shrink with cold, I smile and say
    'This is no flattery: these are counsellors
    That feelingly persuade me what I am.'
    Sweet are the uses of adversity,
    Which, like the toad, ugly and venomous,
    Wears yet a precious jewel in his head;
    And this our life exempt from public haunt
    Finds tongues in trees, books in the running brooks,
    Sermons in stones and good in every thing.
    I would not change it.

    http://shakespeare.mit.edu/asyoulikeit/asyoulikeit.2.1.html


    iwandertoo Resident: thank you for sharing
    Calvino Rabeni: YW Susan
    iwandertoo Resident: odd parallels
    iwandertoo Resident: or perhaps just a pensive day
    Calvino Rabeni: what parallels do you notice?
    iwandertoo Resident: things i am processing - connecting the dots within my life
    Calvino Rabeni: pensiveness is often my way to connect those dots ..
    Calvino Rabeni: ........
    Calvino Rabeni: There seem to be lots of dots recently
    iwandertoo Resident: same.
    iwandertoo Resident: perhaps spring. perhaps past events and the anniversaries of such.
    Calvino Rabeni: I find myself well overlapped by those nearby
    Calvino Rabeni: for some the dots are an interlude
    Calvino Rabeni: and for others, perhaps a full period stop
    iwandertoo Resident: understand
    Calvino Rabeni: I know one who is prodigous at connecting the dots
    Calvino Rabeni: ceaselessly arranging life as a colorful, pointillistic masterpiece
    iwandertoo Resident: ?
    iwandertoo Resident: "pointillistic"
    Calvino Rabeni: The art style in which an image emerges from a canvas that viewed closely is an array of colored dots
    --BELL--

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    Calvino Rabeni: http://billgx.edublogs.org/files/2008/05/seurat-la_parade_detail.jpg
    iwandertoo Resident: i am familiar with this. not sure i see my life as it though
    iwandertoo Resident: i don't actually
    Calvino Rabeni: it's more like something else then
    iwandertoo Resident: few stopping points, but slight pivots perhaps
    Calvino Rabeni: Pivots .. I like that
    Calvino Rabeni: for me more word-like than dottish
    iwandertoo Resident: decision points, consequences, learning the lesson, re-taking the lesson
    Calvino Rabeni: a pivot .. where a change in direction is possible
    Calvino Rabeni: for me those brief stops enable the direction to change
    iwandertoo Resident: the one's you are conscious of?
    iwandertoo Resident: intentional changes?
    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking, pausing long enough to be conscious enough to make an intentional change rather than being swept in the flow
    iwandertoo Resident: i often loop
    iwandertoo Resident: takes time to process, find the right footing, to stay the path
    Calvino Rabeni: The day's a loop, with some choice points
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: laughing quietly
    Calvino Rabeni: like if at late morning I spent a little less energy on inessentials, then in early afternoon I might have an energetic outing rather than a nap :)
    Calvino Rabeni: So what happens later depends on keeping things in proportion earlier
    iwandertoo Resident: or maybe the "inessentials" could somehow be transformed into returning you with fuel - the value of the "inessentials" looked differently
    iwandertoo Resident: i understand the proportion piece...yes
    --BELL--


    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, good to see you Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: hiya cal .. iwandertoo :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles popping in for the last few minutes :)
    iwandertoo Resident: butterflies ::)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles a recurring theme :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I have another poem fragment
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and listens
    Calvino Rabeni: (have you heard any lately?)
    Calvino Rabeni:

    I have heard what the talkers were talking, the talk of the beginning and the end,
    But I do not talk of the beginning or the end.

    There was never any more inception than there is now,
    Nor any more youth or age than there is now,
    And will never be any more perfection than there is now,
    Nor any more heaven or hell than there is now.

    To elaborate is no avail, learned and unlearned feel that it is so.

    Sure as the most certain sure, plumb in the uprights, well entreatied, braced in the beams, Stout as a horse, affectionate, haughty, electrical,
    I and this mystery here we stand.

    http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/W/WhitmanWalt/3Ihaveheardw.htm


    Calvino Rabeni: This one I like, for its juxtaposition of transcendence and embodied presence
    Paradise Tennant: ahh was thinking whitman ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Mira, welcome
    Paradise Tennant: hiya mira :)
    Miralee Munro: My internet connection is a bit precarious, so I have bookmarked for later.
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Miralee Munro: Hello Cal.
    Miralee Munro waves back at i wander
    Calvino Rabeni: I was wondering, when tax day is in Canada and in Australia
    Miralee Munro: our financial years go from 1st July - 30 June
    Calvino Rabeni: and the reporting deadline?
    Miralee Munro: but I think Canada is 1st January - 31st December
    Calvino Rabeni: Here it is 15 April
    Paradise Tennant: hmm I file by internet already done so .. think it is the end of april ?
    Miralee Munro: I'm outraged because we can only lodge by internet if we have Microsoft
    Miralee Munro: I have Mac with NO Microsoft stuff, so I have to do paper lodgement.
    Calvino Rabeni: urp really?
    Miralee Munro: I am finding all manner of activities to avoid mine.
    --BELL--


    Paradise Tennant: smiles my brother did mine .. he seems to enjoy it so I let him :) with the tax programs it is very easy .. :)
    Calvino Rabeni: smiles, wow, I need to have such a brother
    Calvino Rabeni: this could be a side job for someone
    Miralee Munro: I get so frustrated ... there was on question about Superannuation Payments ... now did they mean superannuation payments that I had made, or received?
    Paradise Tennant: yep he is pretty spectacular . speaks five languages .. wonderful to travel with . been giving me my reading list since I was a child :)
    Calvino Rabeni: not doing their taxes, but just showing how much fun it can be
    Miralee Munro: I just scream and pull out my hair
    Miralee Munro: lol
    Miralee Munro: Wow!
    Miralee Munro: I'm always so impressed with people who are good with languages.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles easier if you are organized before you start and use a program :) then it is really rather painless
    Paradise Tennant: yes ... he has a very good ear for language :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Any particular hobbies ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Travel?
    Miralee Munro: Before I got my Mac, I did do my tax online and yes, it was really good.
    Paradise Tennant: was a chess master too :) very early:)
    Paradise Tennant: the smart one in the family :)
    Miralee Munro: Well,
    Paradise Tennant: so you just need to borrow someone pc
    Miralee Munro: they say the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree
    Miralee Munro: I'm sure you and any other siblings are gifted in some way as well.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles we are all gifted I think ..just a process unwrapping them ;)
    Miralee Munro: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: That would be a good reminder .. I'm a fan of slogans sometimes (displays a hover-tag "Differently Gifted")
    Miralee Munro: Hi Lucinda
    Paradise Tennant: ordered embracing the sky but it has come yet .. by the same chap who wrote on a blue day
    Lucinda Lavender: oops
    Paradise Tennant: his theory is that all kinds of information understanding is available but we train our brains growing up to ignore it
    Paradise Tennant: feel that way sometimes that good ideas just float by
    Paradise Tennant: hiya lucinda gtsy :)
    Miralee Munro: I wonder why we do that?
    Miralee Munro: Train our brains to ignore something?
    Lucinda Lavender: good to see you all...
    Paradise Tennant: to focus maybe on what we think is important
    Miralee Munro: Especially if it's something beneficial like information understanding.
    Calvino Rabeni: The early brain develops by pruning
    Calvino Rabeni: the child is more flexible and intelligent than the adult, and slowly loses ability to do things that aren't needed in the social environment
    Paradise Tennant: smiles I slept in this morning lucinda and remembered two dreams :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Miralee Munro: I'm very impressed with a guy I know
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: That's nice Para :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Luxurious
    Miralee Munro: whose three month old baby can tell them when he wants to go to the toilet.
    Paradise Tennant: kids are more flexible
    Miralee Munro: He and his wife are very attuned to how their child communicates with them.
    Lucinda Lavender: luci listens
    Miralee Munro: Apparently the child 'pats' his groin area and stares intently at his parents
    Miralee Munro: lol
    Miralee Munro: until someone notices
    Miralee Munro: then they take him to the toilet
    Lucinda Lavender: like studies I can apply to my work..
    Miralee Munro: hold him over it
    Miralee Munro: and he pees or whatever
    Calvino Rabeni: I heard a study recently, about infant empathy
    Calvino Rabeni: It used to be thought empathy needs to develop with the mind
    Calvino Rabeni: but a study of very young babies, they have pacifier things in their mouths, and it gets taken from one of them, who cries
    Calvino Rabeni: then the other one wants to give his to the other baby
    Calvino Rabeni: so from birth at least people feel others and want to help them heal
    Calvino Rabeni: later it gets all complicated and structured
    Calvino Rabeni: but the basic urge comes before language and thought
    Paradise Tennant: language may limit in some ways
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe that is something that "buddha mind" refers to
    Paradise Tennant: takes us away from empathy into the abstract constantly
    Lucinda Lavender: have heaslow one down when typubg that is for sure;)
    Lucinda Lavender: OOPS...
    Miralee Munro: The way I see it ... we expect the child to "hurry up and learn how to communicate with us" ... instead of US being the ones to tune in to the child and see how they ARE already communicating with us.
    Paradise Tennant: yes miralee well put
    Calvino Rabeni: yeah
    Calvino Rabeni: that seems true
    Miralee Munro: (says me who doesn't have any children)
    Miralee Munro: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: hehe
    --BELL--


    Lucinda Lavender: I meant to say...I have heard of the children who are very generous
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    Miralee Munro: Hello stevenaia
    Paradise Tennant: hiya stev :) gtsy
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Lucinda Lavender: hi steve:)
    iwandertoo Resident: (doesnt see you - but waving)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, I;m here somewhere
    Miralee Munro: She's opposite you almost iwander
    iwandertoo Resident: ty
    stevenaia Michinaga: Paradise is a cloud tonight
    stevenaia Michinaga: (if we are doing poetry)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...I am curious if you want to share anything about your dreams Paradise...?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles we are talking of what we lose when we grow up
    Calvino Rabeni: We have not done any composition, but I did read a couple of poems - shakespeare and whitman, earlier
    Miralee Munro: I lost my virginity.
    Miralee Munro: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: did you loose it in a dream?
    Miralee Munro smiles .... I'm sorry ... I just couldn't resist it.
    Miralee Munro: No ... it wasn't a dream.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles .. growing up has many facets :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: nods
    Miralee Munro: Yes ... I have often thought that it takes us our whole lives to get over our childhoods.
    stevenaia Michinaga: or to keep it :)
    Calvino Rabeni: A sense of humor may be helpful for that
    Miralee Munro: That's one of the things that I love about SL
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Miralee Munro: that we can 'recreate' a childhood here
    Miralee Munro: if we feel that that will be beneficial.
    Paradise Tennant: yes like that element of being a kid again .. flying .. falling :) really liked the falling :)
    Miralee Munro: lol
    Miralee Munro: When I first came here, I really loved jumping off buildings.
    iwandertoo Resident: best to everyone.
    stevenaia Michinaga: night susan
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care, good night
    Lucinda Lavender: bye I wander...
    Paradise Tennant: good nite susan :) namaste :)
    Miralee Munro: At one stage, I also adopted a child and it was fascinating to see so many people wanting to be children here.
    Miralee Munro: and what kind of children.
    Miralee Munro: Having temper tantrums, being very girly girly, or Dennis the Menace type of boy.
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, SL allow for all sorts of interesting possibilities
    Miralee Munro: Yes ...
    Miralee Munro: you can express so many different aspects of yourself.
    Miralee Munro: Mmmmm .... everyone has gone quiet.
    Calvino Rabeni was thinking :)
    Lucinda Lavender: thinking about what I express here...
    Calvino Rabeni: everbody was thinking :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking about a poem and about some pictures
    Lucinda Lavender: it might be a deep question...
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes it is
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: even if it was stated as an observation
    Calvino Rabeni: it's more like a question to me
    Calvino Rabeni: Rescripting childhood
    Calvino Rabeni: would require a cast of bit part actors other than myself :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Miralee Munro: Well, in my experience,
    Miralee Munro: you can find anything you want here, in SL.
    --BELL--


    Lucinda Lavender: like the idea of others playing me
    Paradise Tennant: there is lots of creativity here and creativity is about ..being open playful ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: are ylu suggesting we assist you in re-enacting your childhood? :)
    Miralee Munro: I'm sure there are sims dedicated to just role playing childhoods. Where you can have other people play parts in your little play. The loving mother, the dependable father, the loving brothers and sisters etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: really .. that would be interesting, if true
    Lucinda Lavender: I don't really think I could do that...now that I seriously bring it up...
    Miralee Munro: It would be therapeutic, I'm sure.
    Calvino Rabeni: If well acted and it lasted long enough
    Calvino Rabeni: There have been studies about mentoring programs
    Calvino Rabeni: where an adult makes a relationship with a child
    Calvino Rabeni: in RL, and the hard thing for the administrators is keeping the relationships to last a long time, years maybe
    Calvino Rabeni: because the short term ones can do more harm than good
    Calvino Rabeni: when the child feels abandoned again
    Miralee Munro nods
    Miralee Munro: Yes,
    Miralee Munro: that was my experience.
    Lucinda Lavender: good to know...noone needs abandonment
    Miralee Munro: I just thought, "Wouldn't it be nice to experience being a parent? I wonder if I would have been any good at it?"
    Lucinda Lavender: important to think about
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes it takes years to learn I would guess ..
    Calvino Rabeni: not having tried it, but "from what I've heard" :)
    Miralee Munro: I thought SL would be a 'harmless' environment to see
    Miralee Munro: As it turned out
    Miralee Munro: my other interests took up more of my time that I could devote to 'being a parent'
    Miralee Munro: and
    Paradise Tennant: smiles sorry eyes are getting heavy ..and I have an early morning :) going to say thank you lucinda .. stev .. miralee,, cal and goodnite waving at observerm as I pouf :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: bedtime.. my week begins in NYC tomorrow :)
    Miralee Munro: our relationship has evolved into what I feared I would be like as a real life parent ...
    Lucinda Lavender: night Paradise:)
    Miralee Munro: the poor child having to hang on to my coat tails and be dragged around just being with me, while I did my stuff.
    Paradise Tennant: nite all ..namaste :)))
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night all :)
    Lucinda Lavender: namaste
    Miralee Munro: I will take my leave as well.
    Lucinda Lavender: nice to see you Miralee:)
    Miralee Munro: Namast?? _/\_
    Miralee Munro: May you you be safe and protected.May you be peaceful and happy.May you be healthy and strong.May you have ease of well being.
    Miralee Munro: You too Lucinda.
    Miralee Munro: XXXXX
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Miralee Munro: Au revoir!
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Steve too
    Lucinda Lavender: I guess
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe I should go soon too...
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm imagining your dinner-and-a-movie
    Lucinda Lavender: in a bit
    Lucinda Lavender: well no dinner because I have been busy but there is a pie om the oven and bread too
    Calvino Rabeni: That is so domestic sounding
    Lucinda Lavender: just should make a salad I suppose
    Calvino Rabeni: what flavor pie?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes..blueberry
    Lucinda Lavender: it will be taken to work with my husband who willcelebrate someones birthday with it
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah sometimes its a good idea to make 2
    Lucinda Lavender: they are pretty happy to have birthday pies
    Calvino Rabeni: I imagine so
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...wish you had said that earlier...
    Calvino Rabeni: OK 3 then
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: see myself with three pies juggling
    Calvino Rabeni: Well enjoy your evening .. mmm bread .. I'm getting tempted to bake
    Lucinda Lavender: used wheat berries...
    Lucinda Lavender: made it cruchy and nutty
    Lucinda Lavender: crunchy
    Calvino Rabeni: take care, have a good evening Cinda
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks
    Lucinda Lavender: same for you:)
    Calvino Rabeni slips out during the bell

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