Page last modified 09:36, 12 Apr 2011 by Sunshine Vayandar

*The Guardian for this meeting was Sunshine Vayandar. The comments are by Sunshine Vayandar.*

Wol Euler: hello sun

Sunshine Vayandar: hi Wol ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: I am waiting for you to rez ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: u seem different today ;)

Wol Euler grins.

Sunshine Vayandar: Wol you are in Europe right?

Wol Euler: yes germany

Sunshine Vayandar: ok I thought so

Sunshine Vayandar: others are still sleeping

Wol Euler: oh, I did that too quickly

Wol Euler: had you claimed the log?

Sunshine Vayandar: yes ;)

Wol Euler: sorry

Sunshine Vayandar: first time hehe

Wol Euler: please claim it again :)

Sunshine Vayandar: so I added my address

Wol Euler: good

Sunshine Vayandar: it is so welldone - the scripts for claiming the log ...and the fountain scripted for the "drops"

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: hello obs

Sunshine Vayandar: hi Obs ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: Have you been here before?

Sunshine Vayandar: ;p

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: he's just an observer

Wol Euler: nomen ist omen, as they say

Sunshine Vayandar: I know just testing my host skills

Wol Euler: :)

Sunshine Vayandar: ;))

Wol Euler: sorry

Sunshine Vayandar: We were playing with Eliza the other day

Sunshine Vayandar: we went from sim to sim and pretended that we never saw each other before

Wol Euler: heheheh

Sunshine Vayandar: so with each sim I told her "hi I am sun"

Sunshine Vayandar: lol

eggsalad Ormstein: hello!

Sunshine Vayandar: and she told me - she was Eliza ;D

Sunshine Vayandar: hi egg ;)

Wol Euler: hello egg

Sunshine Vayandar: how are you today

Sunshine Vayandar: you must be in Europe too then right?

eggsalad Ormstein: hi sun & wol

eggsalad Ormstein: not I, I am in the US

Sunshine Vayandar: ah really

eggsalad Ormstein: yes, but I work nights

Sunshine Vayandar: so it must be night for you

eggsalad Ormstein: 1am

Sunshine Vayandar: ahh kk

eggsalad Ormstein: or 0100

Sunshine Vayandar: and you are not sleepy?

Sunshine Vayandar: can't be easy to work nights

eggsalad Ormstein: no, I wake up around 1100, work 1500-2300, then come home and stay up til 0300

Wol Euler: sounds perfectly normal, just phase-shifted a bit :)

Sunshine Vayandar: ;))

Sunshine Vayandar: anyways nothing is normal

Sunshine Vayandar: or abnormal hmm

eggsalad Ormstein: I never did like waking up when it was dark

Sunshine Vayandar: I am trying to wake up early but not so easy

--BELL--

Sunshine Vayandar: I love sleeping hmm ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: how was the 90 seconds?

Wol Euler: to be honest, I was reading e-mail

Sunshine Vayandar: I was wondering about the 90 second drops

Wol Euler: I'll hve to go in to work very soon, I wanted to see if I'd had a message yet

Sunshine Vayandar: it's great you came Wol - I thought noone would come hmmm it's a quiet time

Wol Euler: what are you wondering? (about the drops=

Sunshine Vayandar: ops one moment

Sunshine Vayandar: back sorry

Sunshine Vayandar: I was wondering how one can make it part of each day

Sunshine Vayandar: I am still a beginner really

Sunshine Vayandar: and since I started coming to PaB - I was just busy busy - with so many tasks...

Wol Euler nods.

Sunshine Vayandar: not much time to drop ;)

Wol Euler: perhaps drop being busy?

Sunshine Vayandar: what do you think about these breaks egg?

Sunshine Vayandar: Yes Wol - but I seem to get busy without me wanting it hehe

eggsalad Ormstein: sorry, breaks?

Sunshine Vayandar: it might take a while before I can drop being busy

eggsalad Ormstein: the 90 sec? they're good, makes everyone stop and re-collect thoguths

Sunshine Vayandar: these 90 seconds drops here at PaB

Wol Euler: I think it's useful in many ways

Wol Euler: as a dropping exercise

Wol Euler: but also as a "brake" on the conversation, giving people a chance to cool down and reconsider

Sunshine Vayandar: yes so one basically just "slows down" with the conversation...not really stopping thinking altogether ...

Sunshine Vayandar: often people check links online during these drops ... or e-mail ...

Sunshine Vayandar: but what should one be doing "officially"?

Wol Euler: that depends on teh person, sun

Sunshine Vayandar: yes true

Wol Euler: many people do "drop", do take a mini-meditation

Wol Euler: I know Eliza usually does, for example

Wol Euler: I often do

Wol Euler: just not that time

Sunshine Vayandar: kk

Sunshine Vayandar: probably it depends on the situation also

Wol Euler: officially, it's a meditation, like the 9 second "time tax"

Sunshine Vayandar: what do you mean by 9 second time tax ?

Wol Euler: but the idea that there is a right or wrong way is perhaps itself something to drop

Wol Euler: the nine second breaks

Sunshine Vayandar: 9 second?

Wol Euler: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/About_PlayAsBeing/Basic_Ideas

Sunshine Vayandar: thanks

Wol Euler: "The basic idea of "Play as Being" is very simple. Once every fifteen minutes, you take a 9-second break. During that time you relax, and you free up your attention."

Wol Euler: "You can do this for a few hours a day, or throughout the whole day, as you like. You can use a bell, either a clock on your computer that rings every fifteen minutes, or a watch or alarmclock. Or you can just remind yourself to take a short break, a few times an hour. The suggestion of 9 seconds is a bit of a joke: 15 minutes contain 900 seconds, so 9 seconds is exactly 1% of a quarter of an hour. Following these breaks throughout the day corresponds to a 1% time tax on your life."

Sunshine Vayandar: ;) ah yes ty

Wol Euler: the concept behind that is of "starting at the end"

Wol Euler: what would it be like if we had already reached enlightenment?

Wol Euler: (assume for the moment that there *is* such a thing)

Sunshine Vayandar: hmmm ....

Wol Euler: if we had reached it, then we'd be able to fall into mindfulness almost instantly, anywhere and any time

Wol Euler: so basically we practice doing that :)

Wol Euler: as though we already could

eggsalad Ormstein: fake it til you make it :)\

Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I can't relate to enlightenment ...since I don't know what it is ...

Wol Euler: exactly

Wol Euler: doesn'T matter :)

Sunshine Vayandar: but I have ben drawn to meditation and slowing down ...

Sunshine Vayandar: hehe egg ;)

Wol Euler: one interesting result of the nine second meditations, is that it changes the role of "meditation" in your life

Sunshine Vayandar: I usually listen to how I feel about something ....

Sunshine Vayandar: I am not trying to explain it like " this makes sense ... or sounds logical ..."

Wol Euler: it changes from being something very special, that you do only at a certain time in a certain place, with the right equipment

--BELL--

Wol Euler: to being something htat you can do anywhere, any time

Wol Euler: it becomes as available to you as reading, say

Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes true Wol

Sunshine Vayandar: I understand meditation as ... times when I get completely involved in something ......

Sunshine Vayandar: like playing my violin

Wol Euler nods.

Sunshine Vayandar: or may be it's a bit like meditation .... but not really ....

Sunshine Vayandar: and so how was the 90 seconds this time?

Wol Euler: I think that if you think it is meditation, and if it works like meditation, then it is meditation

Wol Euler: words are just maps, they point to reality but they don't encompass it

Sunshine Vayandar: Hmm I am still trying to think what I mean by meditation hehe

Sunshine Vayandar: yes very true

Wol Euler: I managed to clear my head a little that time, felt myself slowing donw

Sunshine Vayandar: and you egg?

eggsalad Ormstein: meditating is part of my gifts

Sunshine Vayandar: were you making an eggsaland during the 90 seconds?

Sunshine Vayandar: *saland

eggsalad Ormstein: most people simply can not concentrate on "nothing"

eggsalad Ormstein: for me it is easy

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: I learned to meditate in about 3 days

Sunshine Vayandar: yes hmm how can one think of nothing .... it always ends up being something ...

Sunshine Vayandar: tell me about it egg

Sunshine Vayandar: may be I can learn it from you ;)

eggsalad Ormstein: use a candle flame

eggsalad Ormstein: stare at it and think only about the candle flame

Sunshine Vayandar is making notes ;)

eggsalad Ormstein: when something else pops in your head, stop, take a break, and then go back to the candle

Sunshine Vayandar: one moment brb

eggsalad Ormstein: do it over and over, and your times get longer

Sunshine Vayandar: sorry back

Wol Euler nods.

Sunshine Vayandar: I friend did tell me about meditating with a candle

eggsalad Ormstein: eventually, you can stare at the candle for 10-20 minutes

eggsalad Ormstein: substituting "nothing" for the candle is quite easy at that point

eggsalad Ormstein: pardon me, ladies, and good night.

Wol Euler: goodnight, egg

Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee take care egg ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: egg makes it sound easy hmm ;)

Wol Euler: it is easy

Wol Euler: just very hard to master

Sunshine Vayandar: what is your favourite meditation Wol

Wol Euler: huh

Wol Euler: hard to say, mostly because I'm a lousy meditator :)

Wol Euler: I only know it from here, really, other than a few techniques that I learned from a therapist long ago

Wol Euler: I like visualizations

Wol Euler: following images, seeing where they go

Sunshine Vayandar: since I am a mom - the kids come into my room anytime ....

Wol Euler smiles.

Sunshine Vayandar: so I am always prepared to "drop" whatever I am doing and listen to them

Wol Euler: heheheh

Sunshine Vayandar: yes I like visualisations and guided meditations

Sunshine Vayandar: I love closing my eyes and playing my violin

Sunshine Vayandar: that feels very much like meditation to me

Wol Euler nods.

Sunshine Vayandar: sometimes I just play one note

Sunshine Vayandar: and feel how the string vibrates

Wol Euler smiles

Sunshine Vayandar: or when I play drums or didj

Sunshine Vayandar: I can forget everything around me

Sunshine Vayandar: and just the vibration remains

Sunshine Vayandar: I like to do that also with friends

--BELL--

Sunshine Vayandar: ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: so how was it this time?

Wol Euler: went to the kitchen :)

Wol Euler: and you?

Sunshine Vayandar: and was just being quiet

Sunshine Vayandar: what did you get ã‹¡

Sunshine Vayandar: can I have ?

Wol Euler: cough syrup and some water

Wol Euler shares

Sunshine Vayandar: oh hmm ty ;)

Wol Euler: yw :)

Sunshine Vayandar: you have a cold?

Sunshine Vayandar: hope you feel better quick

Wol Euler: I've been more or less sick for a month now, it's much better than it was but this cough just won't quit

Sunshine Vayandar: I have a bit of that too ...

Sunshine Vayandar: about a month ago I started coughing ...

Sunshine Vayandar: went to see the doc ... and he gave me cough syrup

Sunshine Vayandar: but it lasted weeks

Sunshine Vayandar: now it's a bit better

Sunshine Vayandar: brb

Wol Euler: k

Sunshine Vayandar: sorry phone call

Wol Euler: np

Sunshine Vayandar: and so how is it now - getting better?

Wol Euler: I thnk so, yes

Wol Euler: I haven't been coughing as violently as say a week ago

Wol Euler: nor as often

Sunshine Vayandar: great

Sunshine Vayandar: we will do a healing dance for you here in africa ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: and it will solve it ;)

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: send me the ticket, I'll be there

Sunshine Vayandar: a kind of waka - especially for coughing Wols

Wol Euler: heheheh

Sunshine Vayandar: ;)) ok

Sunshine Vayandar: hehe

Sunshine Vayandar: we have a dance for everything here

Sunshine Vayandar: ;p

Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I will have to go - getting a bit busy here in RL now ...

Wol Euler: yes, and I have to go to work

Sunshine Vayandar: ty for telling me all about meditation ;)

Wol Euler: yw

Wol Euler: try them, you might enjoy it

Sunshine Vayandar: so do I receive an e-mail then?

Wol Euler: yess

Sunshine Vayandar: with the log?

Wol Euler: with a link to the log

Sunshine Vayandar: ah ok

Sunshine Vayandar: and I put it on the wiki right ....

Wol Euler: yep

Sunshine Vayandar: edit out bells etc

Wol Euler: there is a "how-to" page on the wiki, about writing the wiki

Wol Euler: no, mechanical noises won'T be in it

Sunshine Vayandar: ahh ok

Sunshine Vayandar: great

Wol Euler: but the bell DOES appear, we added that deliberately

Wol Euler: so that people can judge when the pauses were

Sunshine Vayandar: yes I have been working on the wiki so I know what to do

Wol Euler: ok

Sunshine Vayandar: hope you feel better soon Wol ;)

Wol Euler: thank you

Wol Euler: enjoy the day, sun

Sunshine Vayandar: take care - and have a fun day there

Wol Euler: you too!

Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeeee ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: bye obs ;)

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