2011.04.13 13:00 - "It's PaB Circles All the Way Down"

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray - subbing for Fefonz. The photos are by Bruce Mowbray.

    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol!
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Wol and Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, riddle.
    Riddle Sideways: and Hi Druth
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, druth.
    druth Vlodovic: hey
    Wol Euler: hello druth, bruce, riddle
    Riddle Sideways: do you get nervous sitting over there?
    druth Vlodovic: aww, we all wanted to sit and admire you from across the fountain
    Wol Euler: sorry :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Wol Euler: I don't like sitting like that, it feels like an interview panel
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Boxy!
    Riddle Sideways: hi, ouch boxy
    Wol Euler: bosy
    Wol Euler: boxy
    druth Vlodovic: cuddly puppy :)
    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps Woly should have stayed over where she was!
    Riddle Sideways: Boxy, see that you did not move back when ya last left
    Alfred Kelberry: oops :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Riddle Sideways: a cute puppy and it's balloon


    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Riddle Sideways: should be doing other things but am in limbo right now
    Wol Euler: an unusual place to be
    Riddle Sideways: wanted to see if this session crashes or what else
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, especially the 'what else.'
    Alfred Kelberry: *gets comfy on woly's cushion*
    Wol Euler: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: well, good to see you all
    Riddle Sideways: Bruce, can you tell us more about this Original Faces thing
    Riddle Sideways: sessions, project, special
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, thanks for bringing it up, cute elephant
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Bruce Mowbray: First let me grab the wiki page that Calvino made for that . . .
    Riddle Sideways: after all boxy/puppy is all about comtemptativenesses
    Riddle Sideways: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Guardian_Pages/Guardians'_Contributions/Calvino/Groups/Original_Face/Description
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe someone can explain to me the meaning of this question underlining the project's mission: what did your face look like before your parents were born?
    Riddle Sideways: Hey QT
    Riddle Sideways: hey Arch
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks!
    Wol Euler: hello arch, qt
    Alfred Kelberry: qt :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Arch!
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: That is an allusion to a Zen koan.
    druth Vlodovic: qt, arch :)
    Riddle Sideways: oh and Hi Koya and Blub
    Archmage Atlantis: My face was their dreams
    Bruce Mowbray: The Original Face group hopes to be a laboratory - of sorts - of contemplative practice. . .
    Archmage Atlantis: My reality is the best I can co
    Bruce Mowbray: (as explained in the wiki page that Riddle posted in the chat for us.)
    Archmage Atlantis: Close enuf?
    Bruce Mowbray: If anyone has specific questions about the group, I'd be happy to try to answer them.
    Alfred Kelberry: archy, nice :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe it's a question of heritage then
    Riddle Sideways: Hi SS
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Qt!
    Alfred Kelberry: neko girl :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, SS.
    Archmage Atlantis: Everyone I see here has been here a while, Bruce
    Qt Core: hi ssl
    Alfred Kelberry: what do you think, woly girl?
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm focusing on Boxy and Wol -- sry, Arch.
    Wol Euler: about what?
    druth Vlodovic: what is likely to be different about it than the main meets?
    Alfred Kelberry: the original face question
    Wol Euler: what is the question?
    Wol Euler: (hello sharon)
    Alfred Kelberry: "what did your face look like before your parents were born?"
    Archmage Atlantis: Reboot
    Wol Euler: I've no idea :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The question?
    Qt Core: a mix of the ones of my greatparents ?
    Alfred Kelberry: archy put it nicely: My face was their dreams
    Bruce Mowbray: That's what a koan does -- it gives you "no idea."
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, does it give anything at all?
    Riddle Sideways: the sound of one hand slapping you on the forehead
    Bruce Mowbray: How could your parents have dreams before they were born, Al?
    Archmage Atlantis: My grandparents had dreams for my parents
    Wol Euler: hello gem
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Gem
    Riddle Sideways: hi Gem and Zen
    Wol Euler: come and join us, we seldom bite
    Gem Weiz: hello
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen
    Archmage Atlantis: My great grand parents had dreams for my grandparents
    Qt Core: Hi Gem, Zen
    Archmage Atlantis: The lineage goes back.....and it goes forward
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, i think archy meant ancestors in general who supposedly thought about future offsprings
    Zen Arado: Hi Y'all
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Gem.
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Wol Euler: Gem, have you been here before?
    Alfred Kelberry: zen-san :)
    Gem Weiz: I have, yes
    druth Vlodovic: how they lived and who they chose to be that influenced who you are
    Gem Weiz: but not for a long time
    Wol Euler: ok, so you know about the recording? Good.
    Gem Weiz: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: wb, Gem!
    Archmage Atlantis: Even those like me with no biological/genetic after me
    Archmage Atlantis: We dream
    Alfred Kelberry: ruby gems :)
    Zen Arado: they didn't use the categorical imperative Druth?
    Zen Arado: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: zen has a laptop
    druth Vlodovic: the what now?
    Wol Euler: but not much else :)
    Wol Euler: all I can see is his prims
    Wol Euler: oh, just rezzed :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Zen has a laptop........wow, is that like the buddha has a blackberry?
    Zen Arado: it's an old laptop
    Zen Arado: needs an upgrade
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Wander2
    Zen Arado: Hi Susan
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Susan. Good to see you again.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan
    Archmage Atlantis: All we are, we are
    Wol Euler: hello susan
    Qt Core: hi iwander
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Bruce Mowbray: look out for Zen's laptop!!! oh dear.
    Zen Arado: not many seats here tonight
    Bruce Mowbray: nice, huh?
    druth Vlodovic: wol finds the cushions uncomfortable today
    Wol Euler: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles, i thought it was balanced
    Wol Euler: oh, you're right
    Wol Euler: my bad
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    druth Vlodovic: now it's cozy, over here anyway
    Bruce Mowbray: one more thing (well, 2 more things) about the Original Face group, if I may. . .
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Zen Arado: there's a pea under it
    Wol Euler: please do
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol zen
    Bruce Mowbray: there will be a theme session about the group here on Saturday - 1 p.m.
    Archmage Atlantis: u may, B
    Bruce Mowbray: and, the regular group's meetings will be at 11 a.m. on Mondays.
    Bruce Mowbray: (at Cal's plot).
    Bruce Mowbray: ty.
    Archmage Atlantis: We may not pay attention, but that does not stop you from may-ing
    Zen Arado: ty Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: ahhh -- "The Princess and the Pea."
    Bruce Mowbray: one of my favorites.
    Zen Arado: hehe
    Gem Weiz: I have a question for everyone (Gem is something of a pea in the mattress today). I am doing a presentation about how people gather together in SL and would like to have some visual illustrations for those who have never participated. I have snapshots of several different venues and though this would be an interesting setting to show. Plus I know exchanges here are already recorded, so thought a picture might not be invasive. Plus I will use a snapshot, so no names. But just let me know if that's not something you want to be a part of :)
    Bruce Mowbray: [done with his dissertation re the OF group]
    Wol Euler: fine by me, gem
    Gem Weiz: thanks wol. if you aren't comfortable, though, you could let me know by IM
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sure gem
    Bruce Mowbray: sure! sounds good, Gem.
    druth Vlodovic: I like the movie where afterwards you see the mother in law pulling antlers and crockery out from the mattress, there is fate and there is fate :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Gem....I am open.......to be open is to gain entrance
    Qt Core: no problem for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for asking
    Zen Arado: np for me either
    Zen Arado: (poses)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Gem Weiz: I don't want to steal any avatar souls ;)
    Zen Arado: (with laptop)
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you need a screen to display your photos, Gem?
    Gem Weiz: lol thanks zen ;)
    Gem Weiz: a screen?
    Gem Weiz: oh so everyone can see? that would be fine :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I could build a big screen and you could slide your photos (textures) over to it.
    Gem Weiz: sure :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Have you uploaded your photos, Gem?
    Gem Weiz: I was just going to take an sl snapshot here
    Gem Weiz: now.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: would like to hear more about this presentation :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I already have one. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: but OK.
    Gem Weiz: but I can show you some others if you like :) My travel photo....
    Archmage Atlantis: Then, Gem, include yourself
    Gem Weiz: vacation pictures
    Bruce Mowbray: I thought you said you have a lot of scenes from other venues.
    Zen Arado: wondr if I should change my shirt?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: zen!
    Archmage Atlantis: How you fit here
    Archmage Atlantis: That is valid
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Bruce Mowbray would also love to hear more about the presentation.
    Gem Weiz: oh, I do have some from other venues. But I am going to show them in rl. and I just want to make sure it is ok if I snap one here, as an example.
    druth Vlodovic: who is the intended audience? business?
    Gem Weiz: One of my goals is to protect people's privacy. So I want to sort of obfuscate a bit by showing a variety of venues ;)
    Gem Weiz: every one smile :)
    druth Vlodovic: "just spell my name right"
    Archmage Atlantis: You do not need to protect my privacy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Gem Weiz: hmmm, your last name is tough
    Archmage Atlantis: If I need privacy, I can provide my own
    Riddle Sideways: back.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Riddle
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- I've given permissions on the screen behind you. . .
    Riddle Sideways: Gem, there are lots of photos on the wiki front page
    Gem Weiz: well, privacy is interesting in sl, isn't it? our rl identity is already hidden (usually)
    Bruce Mowbray: You should now be able to slide textures onto it.
    Archmage Atlantis: The conversation is going sideways, your turn R
    SophiaSharon Larnia: being in this group kind of does away with that over time, Gem
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe at first
    druth Vlodovic: a land of real people, on account of none of us are really here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Gem Weiz: But at the same time, we as represented by the avatar develop a persona that might have a stake in being known to be in one place or another or say one thing or another
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Gem Weiz: sorry if I am distracting the conversation, arch. didn't mean to go on too long about it :)
    Wol Euler: yes, gem, there are issues of knowledge and identity here too
    Bruce Mowbray is just testing . . . Do not pay attention to that woodpecker behind the curtain...

    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles at Bruce, I love that woodpecker
    Riddle Sideways: Druth is writing all this down?
    Gem Weiz: of course you could argue that we are in a public place and so there isn't any privacy....but it still seems polite to ask ;)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) You wouldn't love his pecking at your window during all daylight hours, though, Sharon.
    druth Vlodovic: aww, yaku isn't here, I wanted to have a long chat with him about the arbitrary masks imposed on us by nature, vs the real images we invent ourselves
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure i wouldn't :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: my cat would be fascinated
    Gem Weiz: the arbitrary masks? our fleshy faces?
    Bruce Mowbray: So, how are we going to see Gem's presentation?
    Zen Arado: how are they real if we invent them ourselves Druth?
    druth Vlodovic: created by chance, face body, the sound of our voices
    Bruce Mowbray puts on 3D glasses.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: an arbitrary mask in the sense seems pretty definite, unless you get plastic surgery
    Wol Euler: hello storm
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Storm.
    Riddle Sideways: hi fearsome Storm
    Zen Arado: Hi Storm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Storm
    druth Vlodovic: but when we invent then ourselves then they proceed from ourselves, and are a truer representation
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Storm Nordwind: Hello everyone
    Zen Arado: stops singing
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Architecht
    Zen Arado: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ty, Gem, for the photo.
    Qt Core: Hi Storm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Riddle Sideways: there complete circle

    Wol Euler: full circle! we get bonus karma points for that
    Riddle Sideways: joy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Bruce Mowbray: That photo will appear in the chat log (wiki) -- I hope that's all right with everyone.
    Archmage Atlantis: Um
    Wol Euler: ty gem -- but you aren't in it
    Archmage Atlantis: who is in the brown cushion by Wol and SSL?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: has your avatar shrunk Storm, or is my computer acting weird
    Bruce Mowbray: that's the hazard of being the photographer, Wol.
    Gem Weiz: I think I am in all of them...which is easier to do in sl than rl
    Gem Weiz: group pictures in sl are like wedding party pictures in rl, someone's back is always to the camera
    Storm Nordwind: Sharon, I'm normally on kneeling on a brown cushion, rather than sitting on a blue one, and that may change the appearance a little
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah
    Wol Euler: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: fine, emperor's clothes
    druth Vlodovic: ?? an interesting idea
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah
    Archmage Atlantis: SSL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes?
    Archmage Atlantis: I could not "seee" you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    druth Vlodovic: he wants you to wear a special set of clothes made for the emperor, it's said they are magic :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that happens to me a lot, camming around enables avatars to pop into view
    Gem Weiz: ooo love that, bruce
    Wol Euler: nice, bruce
    Gem Weiz: much more artistic :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Bruce......you are like image happy
    iwandertoo Resident: ty
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you for hte picture :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its great
    Riddle Sideways: ty bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: yw -- I love the geometry of the circle.

    Full Circle.jpg

    Archmage Atlantis: I ran over, bumped heads with SSL, learned she was there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hey :) we dont need to bump heads
    Archmage Atlantis: k
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Gem for the picture
    iwandertoo Resident: ty
    Gem Weiz: that's so cool. like a mandala
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, looks like the scene in Inception where the world turns up at the end of the street
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh i loved that part
    Archmage Atlantis: Not like a mandala....it is a mandala
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yeah -- I loved that scene!
    Gem Weiz: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Geez
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha ha!
    Archmage Atlantis: Don't you guys ever realize that symbolism is just a picture of reality
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, but like to be reminded
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, and symbols change over time
    Alfred Kelberry: nice full circle
    Alfred Kelberry: archy, i think it's perception of reality
    Riddle Sideways: thought it was doors of perception
    Archmage Atlantis: 100,000 years in the future.....hope someone will find our drawings on the cave walls, and see
    Alfred Kelberry: *hums: riders on the storm...*
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow great picture!

    Riddle Sideways: hi Eliza (who is out)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza :)
    Wol Euler: hello eliza
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or falling through the cracks of perception
    Qt Core: hi Eliza
    Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
    Riddle Sideways: hahaha can play duck, duck goose now
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
    Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
    Alfred Kelberry: *quacks*
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone :)
    Zen Arado: has fallen through the quacks
    Riddle Sideways: pretty good, no crashes, grievers nor what-evers
    Wol Euler: :)
    Zen Arado: not sine earlier
    Alfred Kelberry: it seems that 2 avs have fallen asleep there
    Archmage Atlantis: hallelujah
    Zen Arado: serious one earlier at Eliza's session
    Riddle Sideways: ah
    Zen Arado: suspect he crashed us
    Alfred Kelberry: ahh! butterfly griefers!!!
    Zen Arado: can someone do that?
    Riddle Sideways: flytybutters
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) @ butterfly griefers
    Archmage Atlantis: Butterflies cannot be griefers
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Archmage Atlantis: only the misunderstood
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, stormy killed the scripts
    SophiaSharon Larnia: claps
    Storm Nordwind shakes his head at paranoid Alfred
    Riddle Sideways: oh bruce that is getting better and better

    Circle 2.jpg

    SophiaSharon Larnia: isnt it :))
    Bruce Mowbray: This is beginning to remind me of the Morton Salt box girl...


    Wol Euler grins at the recursive photos
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, great
    Archmage Atlantis: Like Sal d' Mer
    druth Vlodovic: here eliza, you'd better take my seat or I'll be accused of breaking the circle :)
    Gem Weiz: I went to a talk recently by patrick lichty who does a whole lot of art in sl that, well to ME, looks like griefer stuff
    druth Vlodovic: bye all
    Gem Weiz: bye druth
    Wol Euler: bye druth, take care
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe Druth :)) Bye for now..
    Bruce Mowbray: please say more, Gem
    Alfred Kelberry: nice, bruce :)
    Zen Arado: bye Druth :)
    Gem Weiz: actually he freely admits that he uses griefer tools for artistic purposes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Druth :)
    Bruce Mowbray: bye druth.
    Gem Weiz: he showed one picture of flying Mao heads that I swear I've seen griefers use :)
    Archmage Atlantis: griefer = artist
    Wol Euler: interesting.
    Gem Weiz: he said the difference is that he has ideology behind the mess he makes...
    Wol Euler: I suppose if the sim doesn't crash, and if nobody complains ...
    Archmage Atlantis: Good in some ways
    Gem Weiz: but I bet some griefers would say that, if they weren't just kids
    Gem Weiz: yes, he also says that he is invited to artfully grief places
    Alfred Kelberry: neat
    Alfred Kelberry: we should invite the guy
    Riddle Sideways: strange justifications
    Eliza Madrigal: that's so interesting Gem... thanks and Nice to meet you
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry to pop away so fast
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now everyone
    Gem Weiz: nice to meet you too
    Gem Weiz: tc
    Wol Euler: like Banksy vandalizing -- no sorry, placing art on the walls of buildings
    Wol Euler: bye eliza
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Archmage Atlantis: Awk, kids !!!!!....... if we aren't still kids......wait a reference
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, eliza!
    Zen Arado: the art of grieging
    Riddle Sideways: bye
    Zen Arado: griefing
    Gem Weiz: Wol, not unlike banksy. although no one invites him, I think...
    Gem Weiz: or not until recently
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, yes! banksy is awesome!
    Wol Euler: why is he not a vandal?
    Wol Euler: because his grafitti is pretty?
    Archmage Atlantis: Suffer the the children not to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
    Alfred Kelberry: he adds value
    Wol Euler: okay, and the difference between his grafitti and say yours is ... ?
    Alfred Kelberry: and they are pretty, indeed :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Beleif, Wol
    Riddle Sideways: many too many bruce
    Zen Arado: an infinite regression starting
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Alfred Kelberry: artistic expression morale is a thin line, though, i agree
    Riddle Sideways: it's PaB circles all the way down/up/over/wherever
    Archmage Atlantis: Turtles all the way down
    SophiaSharon Larnia: fun Bruce :)
    Wol Euler: nice
    Wol Euler: oh, I have to leave very soon, a friend is giving a live concert
    Alfred Kelberry: take the muhammad cartoons
    Wol Euler: goodngiht all, take care, be recursively happy
    Gem Weiz: I guess if the main purpose is to deface, then it is vandalism. And if the main purpose is to make art it's art? Or politics, politics?
    Alfred Kelberry: it can kill you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice :) have fun Wol
    Zen Arado: nite Wol
    Archmage Atlantis: Which is live?
    Riddle Sideways: goo niter
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Wol! Enjoy the concert!
    Alfred Kelberry: auf, woly
    Archmage Atlantis: the friend?
    Wol Euler: she's playing live in SL, yes
    Archmage Atlantis: the concert?
    Wol Euler: it's quite amusing, she sits at home with guitar and microphone, plays and sings for us
    Wol Euler: once in a while her cat wanders in and meows
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, SL is alive
    Zen Arado: sounds good
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha :)
    Alfred Kelberry: neat
    Wol Euler: bye for now
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Riddle Sideways: but not green screen live
    Alfred Kelberry: lm? :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Likes the cat aspect
    Qt Core: bye wol
    Archmage Atlantis: Must go
    Archmage Atlantis: Namaste
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Arch
    Riddle Sideways: must go too
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings
    Zen Arado: didn't invite us :(
    Archmage Atlantis: Shalom
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and Riddle
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Arch.
    Archmage Atlantis: Allah Akb ar
    Alfred Kelberry: *pats zen's back*
    Riddle Sideways: thanks all
    Qt Core: i need to go too, bye all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Qt
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Riddle.
    Zen Arado: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for the fun bye for now
    Zen Arado: bye Riddle, Qt, Arch
    Zen Arado: bye Sharon
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, ssl.
    Zen Arado: bye Zen
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Zen Arado: bye all
    Alfred Kelberry: bye folks
    Gem Weiz: bye :)
    Gem Weiz: thanks
    Alfred Kelberry: stormy, be good :)
    Storm Nordwind: If I can't be good, I'll be careful ;)
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now all!
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Storm.
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, whoever's still leaving.
    Gem Weiz: tc. :)
    iwandertoo Resident: see you later...

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