2011.04.13 19:00 - Fighting dreams and cat food fillers

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.


    Hokon Cazalet: hiya =)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Steve, hi Hokon
    Hokon Cazalet: hiya
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Samuo :)
    oO0Oo Resident: hi everyone, gtsy you again :)
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: didn't hear the bell ring
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmm
    stevenaia Michinaga: gtsy again Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: some major la for me
    stevenaia Michinaga: la?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lag* brb
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was having trouble staying on the other night, almost like my connection was dozing off
    Hokon Cazalet: eep! o.O
    stevenaia Michinaga: tonight I have a cat resting on my are to slow me down
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome observerm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi observerm
    oO0Oo Resident: hi obs :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: since my cats been all alone, he has been practically glued to me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hence the many typos lately lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: were you traveling?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no my other cat had to be put down
    oO0Oo Resident: aww sorry Sharon
    stevenaia Michinaga: awwww, cats live such short lives
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I used to have 3 but they all got old and left
    SophiaSharon Larnia: left?
    oO0Oo Resident: continued?
    stevenaia Michinaga: cats sometimes know when it;s time to leave when they are old and sick and jsut never return
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats what i thought you meant
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, one was 17
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whoa
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems so short in any case
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so i had the wacky dream about play as being the other day
    oO0Oo Resident listens
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the details are nclear, but i was walking in a room that was rl people and hald avatars
    SophiaSharon Larnia: half*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry, meant to say, the room was filled with half rl people and half avatars
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and the rl people where pixilated
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Susan :)
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Susan
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    stevenaia Michinaga: have had an SL or PaB dream before?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its very odd to see the 2 next to each other, the same size :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, i have


    SophiaSharon Larnia: in my dream, we had to find another room, but we hadnt decided yet where to go
    stevenaia Michinaga: always wonders what makes something special that the dream space (place) allow it to enter
    stevenaia Michinaga: the staging set for dreams to spring from
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe the lowering of walls that you have around you when awake, for just a while
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or more porous
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders when the dreams are released for us to experience, figures there is a stockpile of dream things waiting to emerge
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think dreams can be just reordering images, sounds, and conversation heard, and may mean nothing
    Hokon Cazalet: ive found with my dreams, some things/people symbolize something, some dont
    stevenaia Michinaga: waits for dream sleep and the dream guardian calls the next one up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: i often think dreams are the brains way of making healing and accomodating connections
    Hokon Cazalet: ive used a lot of lucid dreaming to heal issues i had
    stevenaia Michinaga: for me dream analysis is like an impressionist painting, everyone sees soemthing different no one is wrong, but they are great to look at
    SophiaSharon Larnia: even the "bad" ones?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (to Samuo)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles at Steve
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lucid dreaming is so scary
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont go there anymore
    oO0Oo Resident: yes ssl, like unfinished, or difficult conscious aspects... worked, and reworked
    stevenaia Michinaga: Sam, connection between what and what?
    Hokon Cazalet: i have a lot of good stuff from lucid dreams, i was able to turn nightmares around into moments of confidence and security
    oO0Oo Resident: yes Hokon... that is the kind of reconnection or connection i mean
    Hokon Cazalet: ok =)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it takes a strong self confidence to do that
    Hokon Cazalet: yes it does
    Hokon Cazalet: its not easy
    stevenaia Michinaga: soulds like a very strong action'
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to do that, you take on the mantle f of being as 'strong' as the 'gods'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so to speak
    oO0Oo Resident: to connect it so well to consciousness yes, but that may not be necessary ultimately for the work to go on
    oO0Oo Resident: the healing
    Hokon Cazalet: yeah thats sorta whats happened in my lucid dreams, ive become a god of sorts
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like battling a dakini at the gate
    oO0Oo Resident looks sideways at SSL
    Hokon Cazalet: yeah, you need absolute resolve, a small bit of doubt and the nightmare can burrow through, kinda sucks =(
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: battling of course not meaning what it sounds like
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or maybe it does :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe for me it was a literal battle
    oO0Oo Resident: lol or both and neither
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    oO0Oo Resident: hi storm :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Druth and Storm
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hello all
    oO0Oo Resident: hi druth :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we were alking a bit about lucid dreaming and how battles can be fought and won there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi druth and storm
    stevenaia Michinaga: *talking
    Hokon Cazalet: hi druth =)
    druth Vlodovic: "battles"?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its one thing to think these things, and another to feel helpless
    stevenaia Michinaga: beat swords into marshmellow
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Arch
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Arch
    Hokon Cazalet: yup sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: erk brb
    oO0Oo Resident: to know empowerment, one must know helplessness
    druth Vlodovic: ah, I'm not a good person with that topic, I won my battles but now my dreams are scared of me and hide where I can't see them :-?
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Archmage Atlantis: To understand power, one must know it's limits
    stevenaia Michinaga: some have few battles to fight
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Sam
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is always important to know both sides
    Archmage Atlantis: Waking up dancing in a Texas line dance does give one perspective
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: yin... yang
    stevenaia Michinaga: that would be yang, Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Especially with a cat on one's chest
    Hokon Cazalet ❤ kitties
    Archmage Atlantis: poking his 18 yo nose in your own
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    oO0Oo Resident smiles imagining
    Archmage Atlantis: Hum, Yin on the outside, Yang on the inside....dang everywhere else
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    oO0Oo Resident: spoken like a real Texan
    Archmage Atlantis: Only one ex in Tx
    Archmage Atlantis: So, b4 I dived in, what was the topic?
    stevenaia Michinaga: dreaming
    Archmage Atlantis: oooooHH
    stevenaia Michinaga: I had an inamge of the dreamkeeper letting them out for me to see when I am ready (sleeping)
    Archmage Atlantis: will shut and listen....or at least try to
    stevenaia Michinaga: others had other dealing with dreams
    SophiaSharon Larnia: back and reading
    Archmage Atlantis: Describe the dreamkeeper, I would like that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I like that Steve: some have few battles to fight
    Storm Nordwind: How does a person with many battles become a person with few battles - without fighting them?
    stevenaia Michinaga: well figureing dreams must be stockpiles somewhere in your brain.. waiting to be unleashed form the stockpile of topics for you to experience,
    stevenaia Michinaga: who is the guardian in there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know Storm
    stevenaia Michinaga: chosing topics
    druth Vlodovic: perhaps by choosing battles more carefully, not every challenge needs to be met
    SophiaSharon Larnia: my knee jerk answer is to just stop fighting
    oO0Oo Resident: making friends with perceived enemies?
    stevenaia Michinaga: tpeacefullness seems to emerge after the battles are fought, some more profound than other ofor each of us
    druth Vlodovic: can you describe a dream battle?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: being confronted with a fearful situation
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hokon? My battles were in RL :)
    Hokon Cazalet: mine were rl problems partially resolved in dream-life
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I sometimes awake with a solution, perhaps I never give the creadit to the dream I do not remember that resolved the situation
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah ive done that haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: a solution to a RL problem that I've "slept on"
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: things really do look different in the morning
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in the light of day
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps there more than simply time with a problem in your bream, sleeping and dreaming my be a powerhouse of creativity
    stevenaia Michinaga: *brain
    Hokon Cazalet: ive created music in my dreams before, new music (i sadly forget them when i awaken)


    SophiaSharon Larnia: i heard 'this little light of mine' once in a dream, but it was a really interesting melodic composition I could not remember after the first few minutes.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Issakar
    Hokon Cazalet: hey there issakar =)
    Archmage Atlantis: To dream, for me, is to imagine a new way....although some dreams are more nightmares

    Issakar Mefusula arrives and stands far outside the Playgota  observing ... until later, I IM'd him to suggest he join us and to ask about being recorded

    stevenaia Michinaga: Issakar is observing tonight
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Archmage Atlantis: Allah Akbar
    oO0Oo Resident waves
    druth Vlodovic: we need another ring of seats just beyond recorder range
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Archmage Atlantis: Truely, druth?

    stevenaia Michinaga: is it ok if we include your comments and words in our log Issakar?
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps a roof top gallery for those who wish to listen
    Archmage Atlantis: Observerm can be in charge of that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that would make me feel even more conspicuous than i do already
    stevenaia Michinaga: put the good observers to work
    druth Vlodovic: grab a seat, you can observe in comfort
    druth Vlodovic: I wonder if there is a relationship between dreaming and self-awareness
    Archmage Atlantis: Hey, SSL, you have never proclaimed a heritage back to a mythical island........if being insane, odd, or whatever disqualifies one, I'm a goner for sure
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs :)
    oO0Oo Resident: has anyone ever dreamt that they were fluent in a language that in waking, they are no? a nice feeling for me
    Hokon Cazalet: naw not me
    oO0Oo Resident: not*
    stevenaia Michinaga: I dreamt I was reading once, reading a list on paper
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no, but i have dreamt that i understood what someone was saying even though i thought at the time is wasnt english, im not sure if thats what you meant

    Issakar Mefusula: I'm already sitting behind the avatar, thank you ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Quite an interesting dream, Sam
    oO0Oo Resident: usually with languages i have learned some of, but am not fluent in
    oO0Oo Resident: suddenly liberated
    Archmage Atlantis: Usually, I find that everyone learns to speak English in my dreams.......not a good auto reference
    Archmage Atlantis: "auto reference" is a phrase from a movie
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like you influence your dreams well, Arch
    stevenaia Michinaga: so you "hear" in your dreams
    stevenaia Michinaga: I mostly "see" things
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Stevenaia....hear and see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hear, see color smell feel
    SophiaSharon Larnia: when i dream, or remember them
    Archmage Atlantis: There is color smell feel in all our lives, the rl, the sl....all the l'
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think it was staturday when I was here and meditation about the senses, I could visualize them all, exsept for one... I forgot which, I think it may have been taste
    SophiaSharon Larnia: visualize?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, a bad word to explain the senses
    stevenaia Michinaga: feel?
    stevenaia Michinaga: see, smell
    stevenaia Michinaga: hear
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah ok, like 'bring them forth' or somthing, hard to explain
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: experience them
    Archmage Atlantis: taste.....the deepest danger....to ingest the thing that is not in agreement.......that is what taste stands in the way of


    iwandertoo Resident: waves. best to everyone.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Susan , take care :)
    Archmage Atlantis: You have been here a lot lately Storm.....bye Susan
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Susan, you rise with style
    Hokon Cazalet: byebyes =)
    oO0Oo Resident: bye susan gtsy :)
    Storm Nordwind: I guess I have, true :)
    Storm Nordwind will stay away if requested! ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: noooo
    Archmage Atlantis: A transition?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Storm Nordwind: All life is change, full of transitions.
    Archmage Atlantis: Clever, don't reveal
    Archmage Atlantis: I do that also
    Archmage Atlantis: This circle gives life
    Storm Nordwind: It's just that there is nothing special. The illusion of stability glossed over the illusion of motion.
    oO0Oo Resident: so very glad for your presence storm
    Storm Nordwind: You are very kind Sam :)
    Archmage Atlantis: HEY, THE REST OF US ARE KIND ALSO......just a bit difficult
    Storm Nordwind: "You" is ambiguous ;)
    druth Vlodovic: kind of difficult
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Storm Nordwind: Difficult as in "hard sums"?
    oO0Oo Resident: difficult... as in human?
    Archmage Atlantis: Difficult as in stubborn jackasses
    Storm Nordwind: Ah... yes Sam... difficult as in imagining difficulties ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: Half horse, half donkey
    oO0Oo Resident brays
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Storm Nordwind: mmmm... braised jackass... yum
    Archmage Atlantis: no cannibalism, pls
    stevenaia Michinaga: another dish to add to our cookbook
    oO0Oo Resident: anyone under 18 present? ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: a bit late to ask :)
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    Archmage Atlantis: I do not think so Sam
    druth Vlodovic: cannibalism is ok for underage
    oO0Oo Resident: just joking
    oO0Oo Resident: maybe Koya?
    Archmage Atlantis: That is an astute observation, druth
    oO0Oo Resident: but then
    oO0Oo Resident returs to listening
    Archmage Atlantis: You have the right to that observation, cats are carnivores
    stevenaia Michinaga: mine chews on my toes far to often
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Archmage Atlantis: The most pure carnivores.....dogs can eat vegies a bit, cats can't
    druth Vlodovic: they can if you cook them
    druth Vlodovic: um, the veggies that is
    SophiaSharon Larnia: most cat food has corn fillers
    stevenaia Michinaga: my ised to eat colliflower steamed
    stevenaia Michinaga: *used
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in fact i want to say all
    druth Vlodovic: they used to make a canned cat food called "factory boo-boos" which was made from disproportionate mixes, it was funny to see what you'd find in each can
    SophiaSharon Larnia: eww lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes m'm. SSL.....children and cats are more healthy without corn fillers


    stevenaia Michinaga: night all
    Archmage Atlantis: soapbox, awk
    oO0Oo Resident: night stevenaia
    Archmage Atlantis: Night Sevenaia
    oO0Oo Resident: sleep... dream well
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Steve
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and bye all also, sweet dreams
    stevenaia Michinaga: nigth observers, join us another time
    druth Vlodovic: say hi to floyd for me :)
    Storm Nordwind: Going too. Bye!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye STorm
    oO0Oo Resident: SSL :) tc, and storm gtsy again
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves :))
    Archmage Atlantis: At this point, I think the easy answer is to order pizza
    Hokon Cazalet: Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
    druth Vlodovic: anchovies!!
    Issakar Mefusula: Mind if I have a seat?
    druth Vlodovic: take as many as you like
    Archmage Atlantis: All cushions are open
    druth Vlodovic: everyone is welcome here
    Archmage Atlantis: to all who choose to sit
    Issakar Mefusula: Ahaha. For keeps?
    oO0Oo Resident: RE: corn fillers... FOOD Inc http://is.gd/KJyeFt
    oO0Oo Resident: trailer
    Archmage Atlantis: In the heart, yes, for keeps
    oO0Oo Resident: for keeps
    Archmage Atlantis: In the circle, change happens
    Issakar Mefusula: So, what is our topic?
    oO0Oo Resident: existence
    Hokon Cazalet: brb need a new drink
    oO0Oo Resident: kk hokon
    Issakar Mefusula: Ah. Very broad and intricate topic.
    oO0Oo Resident: for keeps ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: For me, our topic, such as it is, is being here with each other
    Issakar Mefusula: An ladies and gentleman, that is my contribution for the night. Thank you, thank you.
    Hokon Cazalet: backies
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Is* for being with us
    oO0Oo Resident: wb hokon
    Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
    Issakar Mefusula: WB.
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Archmage Atlantis: All ladies on the surface are not ladies, nor are all gentlemen
    oO0Oo Resident: lessons learned arch... and continuums of masculine and feminine revolve
    Archmage Atlantis: Salud, Samud
    Archmage Atlantis: I really have to get those letters you use
    druth Vlodovic: 'night all
    Hokon Cazalet: byebyes druth
    Issakar Mefusula: I said that out of convention. But it's usually something customarily said to, yes, affirm gender roles and archetypes. But it doesn't necessarily come prepackaged from that alone.
    Archmage Atlantis: Not aribic
    oO0Oo Resident: night druth
    oO0Oo Resident: gtsy
    druth Vlodovic: ty
    Issakar Mefusula: Night.
    oO0Oo Resident: thats me too then... will wander too
    oO0Oo Resident: best all.. so good to see everyone
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings, namaste, shalom, alla akbar
    Issakar Mefusula: Cheers.
    Issakar Mefusula: Allah Akbar, or do you mean to say, Salam alaykum?
    Archmage Atlantis: Give me the English for each plesee Issakar
    Issakar Mefusula: -Nods-

    Issakar Mefusula: Allah Akbar is "God is Great". It's something said when something profound happens, or as a challenge.
    Issakar Mefusula: It can also imply something like "God wills it", though that's another phase, "Inshallah"
    Issakar Mefusula: Salam alaykum is "Peace be upon you". It's said usually betweeen Muslims outside of the Arab word. But within the Arab world it can be used between anyone regardless of religious affiliation.
    Issakar Mefusula: It usually goes,
    Issakar Mefusula: Person A says, "Salam alaykum!" Person B says, "Walakum Salam!"
    Issakar Mefusula: Which is like saying "And peace be upon you too."
    Archmage Atlantis: I find that to bless someone, to acknowledge their belief, to seek the core of belief, and to understand that the power that created us.....those things have meaning to me
    Issakar Mefusula: -Nod-
    Issakar Mefusula: "Allah Akbar" is like greeting someone with "Deus Vult!"
    Archmage Atlantis: Therefore, Blessings, Namaste, Shalom and Allah Akbar seems to express what I see in the world now
    Issakar Mefusula: I see.
    Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps you have more insight
    Issakar Mefusula: Well, I don't mean to impose.
    Archmage Atlantis: You haven't
    Issakar Mefusula: -Nods- In my belief, "Salam Alaykum" is more along the vein of Namaste, Shalom and Blessings. People don't use "Salam Alaykum" as a war cry, but they do use Allah Akbar for that.
    Archmage Atlantis: So,if I wish to express sister and brotherhood,....I would sayy
    Issakar Mefusula: Yes, that would be Salam Alaykum
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings,Namaste, Shalom, Salam alaykum
    Issakar Mefusula: Perfect.
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Archmage Atlantis: I am shamanic
    Archmage Atlantis: In belief
    Issakar Mefusula: Interesting.
    Archmage Atlantis: The earth and the animals
    Archmage Atlantis: the plants and the rocks
    Hokon Cazalet likes animals a lot
    Archmage Atlantis: We are fused
    Issakar Mefusula: I'm somewhat of a panentheist.
    Hokon Cazalet: i was that for a while, a few years ago
    Issakar Mefusula: It's hard for me to label myself -- hard for anyone to really label their beliefs -- , but that one works better than some of the other more cryptic labels.
    Issakar Mefusula: Yes, there is a lot that pantheism and shamanism share.
    Archmage Atlantis: I understand
    Issakar Mefusula: Pantheism generally implies a unified, conscious force of God being one with the universe, and also directing it.
    Archmage Atlantis: The distinction, to me, is that in pantheism there are gods, in shamanism all are God


    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, all of us as "God" do decide
    Issakar Mefusula: Yes that sounds about right. But there is also another "branch" of pantheism called Panentheism. Basically, God/over-arching spiritual entity(ies) being within the universe, and everything being a kind of manifestation or emanation of this being.
    Issakar Mefusula: It's a theological distinction though. Shamanism really emphasizes practice and molding one's mind to interact with nature. Pan/entheism tends to be... really an intellectual distinction.
    Archmage Atlantis: There is a point at which I discontinure my questioning......not because questioning still needs to be......I just wear out
    Issakar Mefusula: Oh, all right.
    Issakar Mefusula: I am known to talk hours and hours and write pages and pages ;-)
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Issakar Mefusula: So do feel free to stop me.
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe me too
    Issakar Mefusula: Oh yes, I've had experience with that Hokon ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: I appreciate meeting you both
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: you too =)
    Issakar Mefusula: The same to you.
    Issakar Mefusula: I've known Hokon for... Almost two years now?
    Hokon Cazalet: um its been a while, maybe two years, definitely more than one year
    Archmage Atlantis: I need to go line dance in Texas.....which I really find repressive
    Issakar Mefusula: Great girl, very bright.
    Archmage Atlantis: Nite
    Issakar Mefusula: Haha. Night.
    Hokon Cazalet: byebyes arch =) hehe ty issakar

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