Page last modified 16:31, 16 Apr 2011 by Lia Rikugun

*The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.*

Lia Rikugun: hello wol

Lia Rikugun: hello korel

Lia Rikugun: nice to meet you

Lia Rikugun: i guess you have been to the pavillion?

Wol Euler: hello lia, korel

Korel Laloix: Yes I have quite a few times... thanks.

Korel Laloix: osiyo Wol.

Wol Euler smiles.

Lia Rikugun: so how are you doing today?

Korel Laloix: Busy, but getting some time to breath.

Lia Rikugun: thats important

Wol Euler: relaxing

Lia Rikugun: :)

*realizing how fast time passes*

Lia Rikugun: i had a thought about time

Wol Euler: mm?

Lia Rikugun: and it shocked me how fast it went by

Lia Rikugun: and no moment will come back

Lia Rikugun: like in a sand clock

Wol Euler nods.

Lia Rikugun: every sand corn falls through and is gone

Wol Euler: hello arch

Lia Rikugun: hello arch

Lia Rikugun: i dont know if i should be sad or happy :)

Wol Euler: there are quite a few moments that I wouldn't wish to relive

Lia Rikugun: or nothing

Archmage Atlantis: Helo Lia, Korel, Wol

Wol Euler: but the declining quantity gives one pause

Lia Rikugun: the only thing from this thought I logically can get is "live every moment fully"

Archmage Atlantis: The difficult moments give us our character

Lia Rikugun: it wont come back

Korel Laloix: Nice pic.. thanks.

Archmage Atlantis: our strength

Lia Rikugun: it seems i am rushing through life

Wol Euler nods.

Lia Rikugun: always to the next challenge

Lia Rikugun: and then there are these moments where you look back 7 years and think where did the time go?

Archmage Atlantis: That is why PaB is important

Archmage Atlantis: To reflect

Lia Rikugun: what happened to these 7 years

Lia Rikugun: yes arch

Wol Euler: hello sam

Lia Rikugun: hello oO0Oo

oO0Oo Resident: hi everyone.. gtsy all :)

Lia Rikugun: we are talking about time and enjoying the momtn

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)

Wol Euler: hello sharon

Lia Rikugun: hi sophiasharon

Wol Euler: hi zon

Lia Rikugun: hi zon

Zon Kwan: heya

*sadness*

Lia Rikugun: so I guess i feel sad a little bit

Archmage Atlantis: It is the time to choose the yellow star or the blue star

Lia Rikugun: because i couldnt hold on to so many moments

Wol Euler: n

SophiaSharon Larnia: ooh

Wol Euler nods.

oO0Oo Resident nods

Lia Rikugun: and all have passed and will not come back

Wol Euler smiles. You

Wol Euler: you're having a blade runner moment :)

Lia Rikugun: i dont think i have seen the movie

Wol Euler: O.O

Lia Rikugun: what does it mean

Wol Euler: an amazing and serious omission :)

Wol Euler: it's a great film, highly recommended

Lia Rikugun: ok i put it on my list ;)

Wol Euler: without wanting to give away the story, there is a moment at the end of the film which echoes in the memory of everyone I know who's seen it

Wol Euler: where a character dies, on a rooftop in the rain, and talks sadly about all that he has seen, and how his memories will wash away with his life

oO0Oo Resident remembers rain dripping off noses

Wol Euler: right

SophiaSharon Larnia: have to admit i havent een it either although its rather old now :)

Wol Euler is getting chills thinking of it :)

Pinky Kira: hi :)

Lia Rikugun: :)

Lia Rikugun: hi pinky

SophiaSharon Larnia: i will fix that ommision here sometime :)

Lia Rikugun: nice to meet you pinky

oO0Oo Resident: hi pinky

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Pinky

Wol Euler: hello pinky, have you been here before?

Pinky Kira: yep

Wol Euler: ah, yes, I recognize you now :)

Lia Rikugun: right now we are talking about blade runner :)

Pinky Kira: :)

Lia Rikugun: and how moments become memories

Wol Euler: mmhmm

SophiaSharon Larnia: welcome and neat avatar :)

Wol Euler: which in a way means that you still have them ...

Pinky Kira: ty!

Lia Rikugun: it is not the same

oO0Oo Resident: and the sadness that underlies some of our experience of the passing of time and moments gone?

Lia Rikugun: a memory can change depending on your feeling at that day

Lia Rikugun: yes sadness

Wol Euler nods.

--BELL--

Archmage Atlantis: Love can go viral

*should I be sad or happy? do I cling to the memory when I am sad?*

SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel that often Lia

Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JjJzMBGUwo

Zon Kwan: sadness.. means we cling to the memory ..to the passing thing..

Lia Rikugun: yes this was also a question

Lia Rikugun: should i be happy or sad about it

Lia Rikugun: now i am sad

Pinky Kira: some sadness is ok I think

Lia Rikugun: i am not thinking of any moments in particular

Lia Rikugun: just realizing that 7 years have passed

Wol Euler nods.

SophiaSharon Larnia: nods

Lia Rikugun: 7 years!!!

Wol Euler smiles.

Lia Rikugun: where did the time go??

Lia Rikugun: mybe under the sofa?

Lia Rikugun: let me check

Archmage Atlantis: Where all time goes, Lia

Wol Euler: if only it was that simple :)

*doing things differently? so many possibilities*

SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel that the most loking at something i wouldve done differently

Lia Rikugun: hm no...

Alfred Kelberry: meep!

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Boxy :)

Alfred Kelberry: hi :)

Lia Rikugun: hi alfred

Pinky Kira: hi boxy :)

Alfred Kelberry: pinky? new member? :)

Lia Rikugun: yes sohpiasharon?

Pinky Kira: not new

oO0Oo Resident: hi boxy

Wol Euler: used member :)

Wol Euler: not new

Alfred Kelberry: ah

SophiaSharon Larnia: or at looking at pictures

Archmage Atlantis: Chuckle.......would have done this life differently if i knew the outcomes

Pinky Kira: slightly used :)

Alfred Kelberry: new outfit maybe :)

oO0Oo Resident: thanks for the link Wol

Alfred Kelberry: *looks at lia's tail*

SophiaSharon Larnia: wonder what direction my life would be if i ad that and not this

Lia Rikugun: hehe

Alfred Kelberry: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: had done*

Alfred Kelberry: oni!

Lia Rikugun: but maybe you can only have this thought because of this and not that

Archmage Atlantis: it is not the destination, it is the journey

SophiaSharon Larnia: haha Lia :D

SophiaSharon Larnia: very true, that

Lia Rikugun: no i am serious

Alfred Kelberry: sophia, multitude of possibilities :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i understand

Lia Rikugun: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: the fractuals hurt my head thinking of it lol

Lia Rikugun: HAHA

SophiaSharon Larnia: ;p

Alfred Kelberry: i prefer this moment now :)

Alfred Kelberry: :P

*topological thought*

Archmage Atlantis: Use topolical thought then SSL

Pinky Kira: good choice boxy

Alfred Kelberry: stormy!

Lia Rikugun: hi storm

SophiaSharon Larnia: what is topilical thought

Wol Euler: hello storm

Archmage Atlantis: There are no fractals there

Archmage Atlantis: Only conundrums

Storm Nordwind: Hi everyone

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Storm

Pinky Kira: hi Storm

Wol Euler: topological?

Alfred Kelberry: you're spoiling us with your presence lately, stormy :)

Lia Rikugun: hello sinequanon

Wol Euler: (geography/mapping/transformation maths)

Alfred Kelberry: i hope you'll make it a habit :)

sinequanon Sahara: Hello Lia. everyone

Lia Rikugun: nice to meet you have you been here before sinequanon?

Wol Euler: hello sine

Archmage Atlantis: I have an opinion to express on the inclusion of the yound

sinequanon Sahara: hello Wol

Alfred Kelberry: *listens*

SophiaSharon Larnia: topological to me implies you are about the action and not part of it, Arch

Archmage Atlantis: They are

SophiaSharon Larnia: above** (sorry)

Archmage Atlantis: We are afraid as adults if we do not be

oO0Oo Resident: hi storm :), hi sinequanon :)

sinequanon Sahara: yes i have been here before Lia...i am aware of the rules

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Sinequanon :)

Lia Rikugun: ok great ;)

sinequanon Sahara: Sophia

Archmage Atlantis: Yes, younger ppl can be abused

Archmage Atlantis: It is also abuse to not allow those who can learn

SophiaSharon Larnia: brb

Archmage Atlantis: Stand in the fire, burn the flesh.......those are sometimes noble

Lia Rikugun: i dont understand

Archmage Atlantis: And sometimes only punishment

Lia Rikugun: what are we talking about?

sinequanon Sahara: to bring a lighted firebrand so you may warm yourself

Archmage Atlantis: ty shi

*being in sadness*

SophiaSharon Larnia: what do you do when you feel that way Lia?

Lia Rikugun: oh like now?

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Lia Rikugun: well i dont think this sadness is bad in any way

Lia Rikugun: i want to try to understand why i feel that way

Lia Rikugun: i dont want to convince myself to be happy

Lia Rikugun: i could

sinequanon Sahara: one cant always exhale....

sinequanon Sahara: you need to breathe in to be able to breathe out

Alfred Kelberry: it's fine to be sad

Lia Rikugun: i am just fascinated that it came so sudden this realization

Lia Rikugun: 7 years are gone in no time

Wol Euler: let's try to focus on what you are sad about, Lia. Is it the past, actually, or is it more the future?

Pinky Kira: was wondering that too

Lia Rikugun: haha we dont need to talk baout my sadness

SophiaSharon Larnia: its helpful to many of us,a nd me Lia :)

Wol Euler: it's a real topic, and many of us face it daily

Archmage Atlantis: Lia has a right to privacy

Lia Rikugun: i guess i am sad that i cannot hold on to so many moments

Wol Euler: you are not alone

--BELL--

Lia Rikugun: and i dont mean any moments in particular

Lia Rikugun: and also i must say it is a good sad

Wol Euler smiles.

Lia Rikugun: a sadness from which i can get energy and thoughts

Archmage Atlantis: look around this crcle.....there are skin tones chosen by each of us

Lia Rikugun: not a depressing sadness but a thinking sadness :)

Lia Rikugun: but then i see that I am holding on to things

Archmage Atlantis: Mine matches my rl one

Storm Nordwind: perhaps a creative sadness?

Lia Rikugun: and we are talking a lot about the moments and no time etc

Lia Rikugun: and it seems that I dont really get it

sinequanon Sahara: love may miss its mark...but the sadness is real...it never misses

Wol Euler: well, I think there is a possible distinction to make

Archmage Atlantis: What is there to get?

Lia Rikugun: that things are not permanent

Wol Euler nods.

Lia Rikugun: usually it is not a problem

Lia Rikugun: but now after meeting a friend from lets say former times i realize this very strongly, time passes

Lia Rikugun: i am sorry i dont want to talk too much

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

oO0Oo Resident smiles... understand

sinequanon Sahara: this is interesting...our sense of time

Archmage Atlantis: In the late 1500s, ace, my male ancestor came to this place.......from what is now the UK.....60,000 years, according to DNA, that male ancestor came out of Africa

SophiaSharon Larnia: sometimes i have a sense of wanting to cling to that, although i know its not 'healthy'

Archmage Atlantis: I asked for none of this

SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Zon :)

Zon Kwan: hi hi

sinequanon Sahara: free for what...not free from what..your ruling thought would i hear of and not that you have escaped from a yoke...nietzsche reminds us

*being in the now*

SophiaSharon Larnia: being engaged in the now is one of the only thing that alleviates it for a while, but it doesn't deal with the feelings when they come back

Wol Euler nods.

Storm Nordwind: The years help - and being in the now eventually consumes all - with practice

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan

iwandertoo Resident: waves :)

Archmage Atlantis: To tell the stories, true or false, is to be human

oO0Oo Resident waves also... ;) hi susan

Wol Euler: hello susan

Pinky Kira: hi Susan :)

Lia Rikugun: but being in the now can also mean remembering no?

*the left and right hemispheres*

sinequanon Sahara: the interplay between the hemispheres ...the right one is for the things right now and the left one binds us to our past and our present giving us our personality...and the othe rhandicap that comes with it

Wol Euler: I think so, yes, lia

Lia Rikugun: and also looking ahead

Archmage Atlantis: Yes, true, sine.....but there is more

Archmage Atlantis: like knowing how a car works

Archmage Atlantis: but not knowing why

Lia Rikugun: i like to make a connection

Lia Rikugun: since we talk about being in the moment in the now

sinequanon Sahara: i recall an interesting incident ..a neurosurgeon having some brain seizure where she lost connection with her left hemisphere...she couldnt dial a telephone number

--BELL--

Archmage Atlantis: Yes, the brain is like a computer.....and fails at times

sinequanon Sahara: she could read the symbols on her dial pad and match them with the calling card she had...but she couldnt remember which numbers she had already dialled

Wol Euler: I don't think that means you should not remember, I think that would be inhuman. If your "now" is the moment in which a memory comes up, then accept the momory as this "now"

sinequanon Sahara: let me give a link..

Pinky Kira: my stroke of insight .... great book

Lia Rikugun: yes yes

Lia Rikugun: i think in the past i have misundrstood :)

Wol Euler: yes, that's right, she gave a TED talk about it

Archmage Atlantis: I listen to Wol......I would advise others to do the same

sinequanon Sahara: http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html

sinequanon Sahara: exactly Wol

oO0Oo Resident feels a collective benevolence playing

Archmage Atlantis: BOGO

SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Samuo

Archmage Atlantis: :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Storm Nordwind nods recalls seeing that video 3 years ago

sinequanon Sahara: your timings are very precise storm :)

sinequanon Sahara: they must fall with some incident worth recollecting

Storm Nordwind: It's always now, and now is always worthwhile in some way :)

Wol Euler: :)

sinequanon Sahara: yes we can take the now in our hands

*what is creative sadness?*

SophiaSharon Larnia: has to interupt to ask what creative sadness is

Lia Rikugun: storm?

Lia Rikugun: :)

sinequanon Sahara: the sadness of the poet

Storm Nordwind: An example: I recall a passionate affaire I had once, at the end of which I was probablt at my most prolific artistically

SophiaSharon Larnia: alot of energy flying about :)

Storm Nordwind: Not so much energy, as awareness

Storm Nordwind: Like the sense of poise one has after a long Tai Chi session

SophiaSharon Larnia: so creative energy is tied to awareness?

oO0Oo Resident thinks.. when another is authentically sad.. perhaps crying.. it often opens my heart. Created? Creative?

SophiaSharon Larnia: creative sadness i mean

sinequanon Sahara: an empathic awareness too

Zon Kwan doesnt see teh link between awareness and sadness

Storm Nordwind: Creative sadness can increase awareness (just as depressing sadness can diminish it) and in turn may be a precursor for successful use of such creative energy

SophiaSharon Larnia: i see, thans for putting it into words i can understand

SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks*

Zon Kwan: what is creative sadness ?

Lia Rikugun: yes thanks

oO0Oo Resident: one can be open to openness, with awareness

sinequanon Sahara: a sadness that has its roots not in misery but in longing

Wol Euler nods.

oO0Oo Resident nods.. longing

Wol Euler: an important distinction

Zon Kwan: sadness is not rigth word then

Storm Nordwind: A sadness that brings awareness but no identification with that sadness. Immersion in it, but no attachment to it.

Zon Kwan: longing to create

Storm Nordwind: The creative side may or may not happen - it is not the same thing. One merely faciitates the other.

Zon Kwan: to me the word sad means i miss something

Lia Rikugun: thats very interesting

Pinky Kira: many emotions can spark creativity

Storm Nordwind: That's because, Zon, you are identifying with what you feel.

Zon Kwan: hm

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Pinky :)

--BELL--

sinequanon Sahara: creativity is another faculty altogether....all creativity stems from some longing but not all longing would lead everything worthwhile everytime

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now all, take care :))

Storm Nordwind waves

Wol Euler: bye sharon

Wol Euler: take care

Lia Rikugun: byeybe

sinequanon Sahara: bye Sophia

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Pinky Kira: bye :)

oO0Oo Resident: bye SSL :) gtsy

Wol Euler: bye pinky

Storm Nordwind slips away too

Lia Rikugun: i will leave too, thank you

oO0Oo Resident: bye pinky :)

Wol Euler: bye storm

Lia Rikugun: bye everyone

oO0Oo Resident: gtsy storm :)

Wol Euler: bye lia, I hope you're feeling better

Wol Euler: if not less sad :)

Wol Euler: *better aobut being sad, I mean

Lia Rikugun: oh its fine just thinking which is good

oO0Oo Resident: bye Lia.. ntsy :)

Lia Rikugun: :)

Wol Euler: :)

sinequanon Sahara: must beg leave too

sinequanon Sahara: bye all

oO0Oo Resident: nice to meet you sine

Wol Euler: bye sine, nice to meet you

sinequanon Sahara: a perfect pleasure

Wol Euler: :)

oO0Oo Resident: :)

oO0Oo Resident: Yahoo!

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: [13:57] Storm Nordwind: A sadness that brings awareness but no identification with that sadness. Immersion in it, but no attachment to it.

Wol Euler: worth remembering :)

oO0Oo Resident thinks of the beauty of scuffed shells

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: my dears, I think I'm going to move on

Wol Euler: my bed is calling me

Zon Kwan: me 2, waves

Wol Euler: goodngiht, sam, 'night zon

oO0Oo Resident smiles.. tc dears

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