Page last modified 09:19, 17 Apr 2011 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian for this session.*

*Eggsalad turned up "ruthed" (in a female body shape).*

Wol Euler: good morning egg

eggsalad Ormstein: hi wol! Can you see me?

Wol Euler: I can :)

Wol Euler: you look different today :)

eggsalad Ormstein: yes. stupid sl

Wol Euler: ah, so it's not deliberate

Wol Euler: okay, there is a solution to that

Wol Euler: ctrl-alt-D to get teh "advanced" menu displayed

Wol Euler: and then the menu command "Advaanced/character/character tests/test male"

Wol Euler: or "test female"

Wol Euler: that will force SL to recalculate your appearance

eggsalad Ormstein: that sometimes hjelps, yes

Wol Euler: you've tried?

Wol Euler: thjere!

eggsalad Ormstein: it's helped in this case before... sorta

Wol Euler: you look male to me now

Wol Euler: so in your inventory, find and reattach your usual shape etc

eggsalad Ormstein: yup. what a pain

Wol Euler: happens :)

--BELL--

eggsalad Ormstein: ahh, much better!

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: agreed

eggsalad Ormstein: I keep meaning to make up a single folder with all that stuff in it, but somehow I never get around to it

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: I did that, made a folder of my basic appearance, containing my usual skin shape eyes hair and attachments

Wol Euler: simplifies things greatly

eggsalad Ormstein: or it would, if I would stop being so lazy

Wol Euler chuckles.

Wol Euler: like making backups ... people only start after a disaster

eggsalad Ormstein: not I. I just make certain never to actually do anything worthy of backing up!

Wol Euler: hehehehh

Wol Euler: also a solution

Wol Euler: I'm the opposite, I log everything - and I do read the logs too sometimes

eggsalad Ormstein: you're looking quite attractive today!

Wol Euler: thank you :)

Wol Euler: a newish outfit, from Vitabela

eggsalad Ormstein: an outfit like that might get a girl some unwanted attention ;)

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: there is safety in SL though

Wol Euler: the mute button, and the ability to TP away instantly and untraceably

eggsalad Ormstein: it;s true... or perhaps you like that sort of attention!

Wol Euler: and especially (my) ability to expel and ban anyone from this place

Wol Euler: depends :)

Wol Euler: it's nice to be noticed, less so when people make assumptions based on what they see

eggsalad Ormstein: I just assume you dress like that in RL! LOL

Wol Euler: um, no :)

Wol Euler: it's safe to say that I don't.

Wol Euler: for one thing, my RL avatar is about 30 years older than Wol looks

eggsalad Ormstein: why would that stop you?

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: it's remarkable how much people do read into appearances, even here

Wol Euler: in this place where every aspect of appearance is optional and instantly changeable

Wol Euler: we seem to be programmed to respond to physical bodies

eggsalad Ormstein: that's why I go for people with avs that look like rl

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: I started modifying my shape away from the Barbie doll standard during my very first hour in SL, while I was still on the orientation island

Wol Euler: couldn't stand to look like them!

eggsalad Ormstein: yes, show me a femal av with a plain face and thich thighs, and you might get my attention

--BELL--

Wol Euler: they are around, fortunately, and I make a point of talking to them

Wol Euler: whenever I see somebody who has changed their shape, made it personal, I always IM them to give a little notice and encouragement

Wol Euler: because it is hard to go against the flow of the standard normalized "beauty", at first

eggsalad Ormstein: well, as you can see, I mock it

Wol Euler: I got really annoyed at people offering to help me "fix" my non-barbie shape!

eggsalad Ormstein: very few people offer to "help" me. I'm beyond help!

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: I have to say, that hasn't happened in a long while now. Perhaps SL is maturing, or perhaps my shape became realistic enough that people stop worrying about it

Wol Euler: I think you fall out of the "needing help" category because of the boldness of your statement

Wol Euler: (take that word as it is, for the moment :)

eggsalad Ormstein: I like making statements, regardless of how ridiculous they are

Wol Euler: they see that you are discarding normalized roles and appearances, and say "ok, let him do it"

Wol Euler: whereas my appearance is aimed at RL-normal, which I think they were confusing with SL-average

eggsalad Ormstein: idk, I think your av is quite pretty

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: thank you

Wol Euler: so do I, to be honest :)

Wol Euler: especially with its deliberate failings

Wol Euler: failing = not normalized

eggsalad Ormstein: see, I don't even see any failings

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: they only count as such here, where absolute symmetrical standard perfection is easier to obtain than a little assymetry

Wol Euler: *asymmetry

eggsalad Ormstein: possible an intentional misspelling!

Wol Euler: heheheheheh

Wol Euler: that is one of them, yes :)

Wol Euler: in SL terms, I have a *huge* butt

Wol Euler: I hvae to modify prims in every outfit I buy

eggsalad Ormstein: I've seen much larger butts

Wol Euler: sure

Wol Euler: but the standard as defined by makers of clothing, is much smaller

eggsalad Ormstein: no need to tell me. My ass looks HUGE in every skirt made!

Wol Euler: exactly

Wol Euler: well, there is a glitch in the way the body mesh works which causes that effect

Wol Euler: skirts float loose around your hips to prevent rendering conflicts with the pants layer

Wol Euler: so tehy automatically add 2 inches to your butt and hips and thighs

eggsalad Ormstein: you are too smart for me!

Wol Euler: well, I had to learn it too :)

Wol Euler: I noticed that system skirts (non-prim clothing) made my butt look really huge, and asked why.

eggsalad Ormstein: but you found the proper person to ask

Wol Euler: the solution is to duplicate your shape and reduce butt/hips/things/saddlebags by around 5 to 10%

--BELL--

Wol Euler: .

Wol Euler: huh, lost a line of chat there.

eggsalad Ormstein: that's good to know. I will try that

Wol Euler: "... and wear taht bodyshape when you need to wear a system skirt"

Wol Euler: I was lucky to find a friend in SL who was very clever, a keen experimenter

Wol Euler: she helped me a lot

Wol Euler: taught me that, and the difference between prim hair and system hair

Wol Euler: and how to modify prims in clothing

Wol Euler: all things that I had *seen* but without really noticing

Wol Euler: I knew there was a difference in apperance between my (early days) slider hair and the prim hair she wore, but I didn't realize that I could do anything about that difference

Wol Euler: I thought it was just "how I looked"

Wol Euler: I think that is why I am so curious about appearance and identity now, is from those experiences

eggsalad Ormstein: it helps so much to have a good mentor. The first time I tried SL, I didn't make it past the 1st week before I gave up

Wol Euler: the vast majority of people don'T, egg.

Wol Euler: statistically well over half don'T last a single hour before quitting forever

Wol Euler: that is why I became a mentor (back inthe days when there were mentors, sigh)

Wol Euler: to help people get through that first hour with a feeling of success and pleasure

eggsalad Ormstein: well, I cant figure out the business of SL, it seems they don't want people to succeed

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: the core of the problem is that the Lindens don't *use* SL

Wol Euler: I am prepared to meet any bet you care to offer that no more than 10% of them spend more than 30 minutes a day in SL

Wol Euler: they don't know what it is

Wol Euler: they don't know what we do here

eggsalad Ormstein: well, I can't make sense of a lot of things. This is why I'm about to go to bed. Note wol

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: goodnight egg, sleep well

Wol Euler: nice to talk to you

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