2011.04.15 01:00 - Standard normalized "beauty"

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session.


    Eggsalad turned up "ruthed" (in a female body shape).

    Wol Euler: good morning egg
    eggsalad Ormstein: hi wol! Can you see me?
    Wol Euler: I can :)
    Wol Euler: you look different today :)
    eggsalad Ormstein: yes. stupid sl
    Wol Euler: ah, so it's not deliberate
    Wol Euler: okay, there is a solution to that
    Wol Euler: ctrl-alt-D to get teh "advanced" menu displayed
    Wol Euler: and then the menu command "Advaanced/character/character tests/test male"
    Wol Euler: or "test female"
    Wol Euler: that will force SL to recalculate your appearance
    eggsalad Ormstein: that sometimes hjelps, yes
    Wol Euler: you've tried?
    Wol Euler: thjere!
    eggsalad Ormstein: it's helped in this case before... sorta
    Wol Euler: you look male to me now
    Wol Euler: so in your inventory, find and reattach your usual shape etc
    eggsalad Ormstein: yup. what a pain
    Wol Euler: happens :)


    eggsalad Ormstein: ahh, much better!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: agreed
    eggsalad Ormstein: I keep meaning to make up a single folder with all that stuff in it, but somehow I never get around to it
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: I did that, made a folder of my basic appearance, containing my usual skin shape eyes hair and attachments
    Wol Euler: simplifies things greatly
    eggsalad Ormstein: or it would, if I would stop being so lazy
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Wol Euler: like making backups ... people only start after a disaster
    eggsalad Ormstein: not I. I just make certain never to actually do anything worthy of backing up!
    Wol Euler: hehehehh
    Wol Euler: also a solution
    Wol Euler: I'm the opposite, I log everything - and I do read the logs too sometimes
    eggsalad Ormstein: you're looking quite attractive today!
    Wol Euler: thank you :)
    Wol Euler: a newish outfit, from Vitabela
    eggsalad Ormstein: an outfit like that might get a girl some unwanted attention ;)
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: there is safety in SL though
    Wol Euler: the mute button, and the ability to TP away instantly and untraceably
    eggsalad Ormstein: it;s true... or perhaps you like that sort of attention!
    Wol Euler: and especially (my) ability to expel and ban anyone from this place
    Wol Euler: depends :)
    Wol Euler: it's nice to be noticed, less so when people make assumptions based on what they see
    eggsalad Ormstein: I just assume you dress like that in RL! LOL
    Wol Euler: um, no :)
    Wol Euler: it's safe to say that I don't.
    Wol Euler: for one thing, my RL avatar is about 30 years older than Wol looks
    eggsalad Ormstein: why would that stop you?
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: it's remarkable how much people do read into appearances, even here
    Wol Euler: in this place where every aspect of appearance is optional and instantly changeable
    Wol Euler: we seem to be programmed to respond to physical bodies
    eggsalad Ormstein: that's why I go for people with avs that look like rl
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: I started modifying my shape away from the Barbie doll standard during my very first hour in SL, while I was still on the orientation island
    Wol Euler: couldn't stand to look like them!
    eggsalad Ormstein: yes, show me a femal av with a plain face and thich thighs, and you might get my attention


    Wol Euler: they are around, fortunately, and I make a point of talking to them
    Wol Euler: whenever I see somebody who has changed their shape, made it personal, I always IM them to give a little notice and encouragement
    Wol Euler: because it is hard to go against the flow of the standard normalized "beauty", at first
    eggsalad Ormstein: well, as you can see, I mock it
    Wol Euler: I got really annoyed at people offering to help me "fix" my non-barbie shape!
    eggsalad Ormstein: very few people offer to "help" me. I'm beyond help!
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: I have to say, that hasn't happened in a long while now. Perhaps SL is maturing, or perhaps my shape became realistic enough that people stop worrying about it
    Wol Euler: I think you fall out of the "needing help" category because of the boldness of your statement
    Wol Euler: (take that word as it is, for the moment :)
    eggsalad Ormstein: I like making statements, regardless of how ridiculous they are
    Wol Euler: they see that you are discarding normalized roles and appearances, and say "ok, let him do it"
    Wol Euler: whereas my appearance is aimed at RL-normal, which I think they were confusing with SL-average
    eggsalad Ormstein: idk, I think your av is quite pretty
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: thank you
    Wol Euler: so do I, to be honest :)
    Wol Euler: especially with its deliberate failings
    Wol Euler: failing = not normalized
    eggsalad Ormstein: see, I don't even see any failings
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: they only count as such here, where absolute symmetrical standard perfection is easier to obtain than a little assymetry
    Wol Euler: *asymmetry
    eggsalad Ormstein: possible an intentional misspelling!
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Wol Euler: that is one of them, yes :)
    Wol Euler: in SL terms, I have a *huge* butt
    Wol Euler: I hvae to modify prims in every outfit I buy
    eggsalad Ormstein: I've seen much larger butts
    Wol Euler: sure
    Wol Euler: but the standard as defined by makers of clothing, is much smaller
    eggsalad Ormstein: no need to tell me. My ass looks HUGE in every skirt made!
    Wol Euler: exactly
    Wol Euler: well, there is a glitch in the way the body mesh works which causes that effect
    Wol Euler: skirts float loose around your hips to prevent rendering conflicts with the pants layer
    Wol Euler: so tehy automatically add 2 inches to your butt and hips and thighs
    eggsalad Ormstein: you are too smart for me!
    Wol Euler: well, I had to learn it too :)
    Wol Euler: I noticed that system skirts (non-prim clothing) made my butt look really huge, and asked why.
    eggsalad Ormstein: but you found the proper person to ask
    Wol Euler: the solution is to duplicate your shape and reduce butt/hips/things/saddlebags by around 5 to 10%


    Wol Euler: .
    Wol Euler: huh, lost a line of chat there.
    eggsalad Ormstein: that's good to know. I will try that
    Wol Euler: "... and wear taht bodyshape when you need to wear a system skirt"
    Wol Euler: I was lucky to find a friend in SL who was very clever, a keen experimenter
    Wol Euler: she helped me a lot
    Wol Euler: taught me that, and the difference between prim hair and system hair
    Wol Euler: and how to modify prims in clothing
    Wol Euler: all things that I had *seen* but without really noticing
    Wol Euler: I knew there was a difference in apperance between my (early days) slider hair and the prim hair she wore, but I didn't realize that I could do anything about that difference
    Wol Euler: I thought it was just "how I looked"
    Wol Euler: I think that is why I am so curious about appearance and identity now, is from those experiences
    eggsalad Ormstein: it helps so much to have a good mentor. The first time I tried SL, I didn't make it past the 1st week before I gave up
    Wol Euler: the vast majority of people don'T, egg.
    Wol Euler: statistically well over half don'T last a single hour before quitting forever
    Wol Euler: that is why I became a mentor (back inthe days when there were mentors, sigh)
    Wol Euler: to help people get through that first hour with a feeling of success and pleasure
    eggsalad Ormstein: well, I cant figure out the business of SL, it seems they don't want people to succeed
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: the core of the problem is that the Lindens don't *use* SL
    Wol Euler: I am prepared to meet any bet you care to offer that no more than 10% of them spend more than 30 minutes a day in SL
    Wol Euler: they don't know what it is
    Wol Euler: they don't know what we do here
    eggsalad Ormstein: well, I can't make sense of a lot of things. This is why I'm about to go to bed. Note wol
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight egg, sleep well
    Wol Euler: nice to talk to you

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