2011.04.17 07:00 - Flit-Flying Away

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    The title refers to the action of butterflies which sometimes, as they were this morning, might serve as a state of our minds. It was a recurring theme as we moved around from places to walk or reflect, to the Jataka Tale of the TIger, to multi-national corportations, to Chutes and Ladders, to heavenly ladders, to Jacob's ladder, who is responsible for the devil and, finally the "myth" of the ancient Greeks.

    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Good Morning Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: I am just letting my mind settle somewhere
    Eliza Madrigal: like this butterfly on my shoulder... nice idea
    Adams Rubble associates butterflies with warmer weather. Therefore flitting must be a good thing
    Adams Rubble: hmmm
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes few butterflies fluttering around in the snow, outside of Play as Being, anyway
    Adams Rubble: not the sane ones anyway
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: although walking in the woods in the winter is great as long as there isn't snow
    Adams Rubble: the woods are just beginning to wake up here
    Eliza Madrigal: so little winter here... would love to hear more...
    Adams Rubble: there is a quiet in the woods in thw wonter
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yaku :)
    Adams Rubble: and no bugs :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes no mosquitos
    Adams Rubble: do the mosuitoes remain all year there Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: It is difficult for me to find real 'woods' in Miami, as in places to take long walks in wild space, but I've been managing to find smaller spaces many spots
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well if we have a cold snap many things are zapped
    Eliza Madrigal: so in those instances there are few :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but the ones left are hearty
    Adams Rubble: ohhhhh
    Eliza Madrigal: It makes me remember Pema letting a mosquito feast on him in Nova Scotia... heh...
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: quite a 'practice'
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: were I to make peace with mosquitos, camping might be wonderful in the Everglades
    Adams Rubble thinks about the Jataka tale when the Buddha in a former life gave his life to a hungress tigress so she could feed her offspring
    Adams Rubble: hungry tigress
    Adams Rubble thinks about the gender of hungry
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes! that is a wonderfuls story
    Eliza Madrigal: Have you ever had a moment like that?
    Adams Rubble: It puts mosquitoes in perspective. hehe
    Adams Rubble: letting a tiger eat me?
    Eliza Madrigal: hm... death by thousands of paper cuts or just a few rips... tough choice
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Well figuratively of course
    Eliza Madrigal: I have felt that way on the phone with my mom, hehe
    Adams Rubble: well figuratively we can give of ourselves in many ways
    Adams Rubble: I am not sure how many of us would choose to give ourselves to the tiger if we had a chance but I guess that is the point of the story
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Adams Rubble: it would not be special if everyone did it
    Adams Rubble: besides the world would be overrun by tigers
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Adams Rubble: instead of multi-national corporations
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder when I hear it, whether it is about boundless compassion or factoring a 'bigger' picture
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe that's the same
    Adams Rubble: when you have lots of stories about earlier lives to tell, maybe it is hard to come up with new ideas?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: no one would stay if they were dull
    Adams Rubble: well maybe a few
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) one man's dull is another's riveting
    Adams Rubble: sorry to be leading us away
    Eliza Madrigal: oooo, now thinking about reverse feeding of tigers, starving of corporations...
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Adams Rubble: it would be hard to do
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, since there is an idea of them as source now
    Eliza Madrigal: goldman sacs as gigantic mosquito... heh
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Susan :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello susan
    iwandertoo Resident: es
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, the deutsche bank just recieved a very negative critic for its actions in the financial crisis
    Adams Rubble: One of the appealing things about the tiger Jataka tale is it reminds us we are part of the world around us
    Eliza Madrigal: how did we forget?
    Adams Rubble: that we are Being as well as around Being
    Adams Rubble: the butterflies Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: we flit away. hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: flit flying away, flit flying awayyy...
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: sounds like the making of a song
    Eliza Madrigal: (hears Paul Simon)
    Eliza Madrigal: the nearer the destination, the more we're slip sliding away...
    Adams Rubble: hmmm. not sure we don't slip slide away when we are far away as well
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Adams Rubble: just not as noticeable
    Adams Rubble remembers something about geometry
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: after all, "corporations are people too"
    Adams Rubble: ouch
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    We watched our radars as Steve approached on foot from far away in the sim

    Adams Rubble hears footsteps
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    stevenaia Michinaga: pitter patter
    Adams Rubble: Hello Steve :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey steve
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: good morning
    Eliza Madrigal: How is everything Steve?
    Adams Rubble: we are flitting around a bit like butterflies this morning going from Jataka tales about tigers to mult-national corportations
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    stevenaia Michinaga: good, watching tennis (not by choice) and waiting for friends to arrive before leaving for a birthday brunch
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it your birthday Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: (spouse's and friend's) I'm buying
    stevenaia Michinaga: the butterfly storm shold pass shortly
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: :)

    The Jataka tale

    stevenaia Michinaga: what are "Jataka tales"
    Adams Rubble: Jataka Tales are stories about the earlier reincarnations of the current Budddha
    Adams Rubble: his earlier lives
    Adams Rubble: In the one with the tiger he is a prince out riding with two compansions
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders what ours whould be
    Adams Rubble: they see a hungry tigress with two cubs
    Adams Rubble: she is at the edge of eating her young because she can not feed them
    Adams Rubble: The three companions ride away but the prince tells them he must go back for some reason and to go on ahead
    Adams Rubble: he goes back up, removes all his clothes at the top of a cliff and jumps down at the foot of thr tigress who then devours him
    Adams Rubble: and is able to feed her cubs
    Adams Rubble: the two companions go back and find his clothes and then realize what happened
    stevenaia Michinaga: interesting, could have ordered his companions to do it
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: :) coercive buddha...hm...
    stevenaia Michinaga: but then... it would have takem longer to become the Buddah
    Adams Rubble: that is the connection to the muti-national corporations
    Eliza Madrigal: well then the question becomes, was he ever not the buddha?
    stevenaia Michinaga: when he was something before man, was he the Buddha?
    Adams Rubble: well there is the bodhi tree of course
    iwandertoo Resident: why does this make him a buddha?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, buddha means 'awake'
    stevenaia Michinaga: certainly more buddha-like
    Adams Rubble: he became the Buddha when he realized that all suffering came from desire
    Adams Rubble: and became enlightened
    Eliza Madrigal: but isn't buddha nature timeless?
    Adams Rubble: but the storiess illustrate the path in previous lives, each time coming a tep closer
    Adams Rubble: step
    Adams Rubble is not a Buddhist and probably should shut up here :)
    Eliza Madrigal thinks of the step closer picture like 'Chutes and Ladders' hehhe
    stevenaia Michinaga: you are doing better than I
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, please don't Adams, you have a wonderful way of relating the stories clearly
    Eliza Madrigal can't keep a linear timeline going for more than 5 seconds :)
    Adams Rubble: The Chutes anf Laddders reminds me of the painting of the Saint Climacus Vision of the Heavenly Ladder
    stevenaia Michinaga: is there a link you can show us?
    Adams Rubble: I hate to do this. hehe
    Adams Rubble: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Climacus
    stevenaia Michinaga: I keep thinking of MC Esher when I played that game
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) TY
    Adams Rubble: it is the painting on the right side
    Eliza Madrigal: ooooh, yes, nice Steve
    Eliza Madrigal clicks
    Adams Rubble: this is the first for Adams Rubble giving a Wikipedia reference in Play as Being
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, and I was here for it
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: the picture looks like escape from Titanic...
    Adams Rubble: the one further down the page is the one more often seen

    I messed the bell and continued typing...

    Adams Rubble: The devils shoot arrows at those climbing or poke them with spears or otherwise try to knock them off the ladder
    Adams Rubble: whoops
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders if that board game is an american phenomenmom, chute represent the arrows, never thought of the religious connections
    Eliza Madrigal: heavenly lottery...
    Adams Rubble: Yes, Steve. It made me wonder too when Eliza brought it up
    Eliza Madrigal: 'go back three spaces' and try again
    Eliza Madrigal: oops, down ya go
    Adams Rubble: I think the consequences are more dire in the vision
    stevenaia Michinaga: The angels represent souls descending to and ascending from bodies (some consider this to be Philo's clearest reference to the doctrine of reincarnation). In the second interpretation the ladder is the human soul and the angels are God's logoi, pulling the soul up in distress and descending in compassion. In the third view the dream depicts the ups and downs of the life of the "practiser" (of virtue vs. sin). Finally the angels represent the continually changing affairs of men.
    stevenaia Michinaga: (Jacob Ladder)
    stevenaia Michinaga: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Ladder
    Eliza Madrigal: helpful!
    Adams Rubble: If there is a path, there are many pitfalls
    Adams Rubble: easy to lose ones way
    Eliza Madrigal: but all pitfalls would be included?
    stevenaia Michinaga: then the christians got a hold of it, introduce the devil
    Adams Rubble: hmmm. I think the Christians inherited the devil. hehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice gift to pass along
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but he took on different proportions over time...
    Eliza Madrigal: or seems to have
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, you can always put ppl in the frame of evil, or even peoples
    Adams Rubble notes the word "inherit" is the wrong word
    Eliza Madrigal: so few right words...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: useful to have the concept of the devil and evil if you think someone else lawn is greener
    Adams Rubble: it was a gift as Steve notes
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting, Ya
    Adams Rubble: yes Yaku
    stevenaia Michinaga: In mainstream Judaism there is no concept of a devil like in mainstream Christianity or Islam. In Hebrew, the biblical word ha-satan (השָׂטָן) means "the adversary"[6] or the obstacle, or even "the prosecutor" (recognizing that God is viewed as the ultimate Judge).
    Adams Rubble: evil is making the "person" the "sin"
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Steve... what I was thinking re proportion
    stevenaia Michinaga: the gift is from the Greeks (didn;t they invent everything)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey xirana
    Adams Rubble: There recently was an Onion article that showed a few historians made up the ancient Greeks

    Note: The Onion is a website mimicing a newspaper with phoney, satircial stories

    Adams Rubble: Hello Xirana
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xirana :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Adams, and all:)
    Adams Rubble: http://www.theonion.com/articles/historians-admit-to-inventing-ancient-greeks,18209/
    Yakuzza Lethecus: once i heard that the ancient rome didn´t fought a single offensive war, that they were all justified out of defensive reasons
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm, whereas good would be close to seeing the person through the obstacles perhaps...
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry, bit laggy with that thought, not sl but me)
    Adams Rubble: hate the sin but not the sinner
    stevenaia Michinaga: very funny (the onion) Adams
    Adams Rubble: yes it was well done
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: so eucledian geometry is all kevin, eh?
    Adams Rubble: My favorite line was that the Iliad was a "bitch to write"
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Adams Rubble: nice to see we are still flit-flying away :)
    Adams Rubble: (me gets us back to the theme)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: masterful
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now, thanks
    Adams Rubble: bye Eliza :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye Eliza:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye Yaku
    Adams Rubble: bye Yaku
    Adams Rubble: Everyone have a good guardian session and a great day or evening or night :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Adams
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye Adams Steve and Susan:)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Adams Rubble: bye for now :)

    With that we all headed for the guardian hall to talk about....(see next session)

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