2011.04.19 19:00 - nanu nanu

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu. Present were Eos, Alfred, oO0Oo, SophiaSharon, Aphrodite, Hokon, druth, stevenaia and Paradise.


    Alfred Kelberry: eos! :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi boxy!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: And hi Samuo!
    Alfred Kelberry: sam :)
    Eos Amaterasu: and SophiaSharon
    Alfred Kelberry: folks are popping up on the map :)
    Alfred Kelberry: neko girl :)
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Eos, Boxy, SSL gtsy :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eos, Boxy, Samuo, and Phrodite :)
    Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Aphrodite even
    Eos Amaterasu: and Aphrodite!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi everyone
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Aph :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sam!
    Alfred Kelberry: *settles down*
    Eos Amaterasu: welcome hokon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Hokon
    Hokon Cazalet: hiya
    oO0Oo Resident: Hokon :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
    Hokon Cazalet: how is everyone?
    Alfred Kelberry: hey! dancing stev is coming :)
    Eos Amaterasu: and hi druth!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Steve, hi Druth
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Hokon!
    Hokon Cazalet: hi =)
    Hokon Cazalet: hi druth =)
    druth Vlodovic: hey guys
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    Aphrodite Macbain: Drith, Steve!
    Alfred Kelberry: stev :)
    Eos Amaterasu: and stevenaia
    oO0Oo Resident: Druth :), Stevenaia :)

    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Aunt Sharon!! Congratulations
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Aphrodite :D
    Alfred Kelberry: tough biker girl :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: how's the baby?
    Eos Amaterasu: congrats indeed, SS!
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    druth Vlodovic: yes, seriously cute baby there
    Alfred Kelberry: baby?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes congrats, SSL
    Aphrodite Macbain: did you see it?
    Eos Amaterasu: RL references
    Aphrodite Macbain: druth?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wonderful, perfect, adorable, precious, awe-inspiring and smells yummy too
    Alfred Kelberry: neko girl has a baby?
    Aphrodite Macbain smiles
    druth Vlodovic: in the e-mail
    Alfred Kelberry: gah, haven't read yet
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah, must look more carefully
    SophiaSharon Larnia: my sister Boxy :)
    druth Vlodovic: niece, she has the cutest tail and little pointed ears
    Alfred Kelberry: ah! wow-wee! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: congrats :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: they are rather pointed actually "D
    Eos Amaterasu: the Spock gene?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    druth Vlodovic: nothing like the scent of a new baby
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i knows
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: um...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Aphrodite Macbain: talcum powder
    druth Vlodovic: not that end alfred, you smell the head!
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Eos Amaterasu: unless it's a puppy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes face to face, poor baby!! lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: what's her name?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: his
    Aphrodite Macbain: oop
    Aphrodite Macbain: s
    SophiaSharon Larnia: erm, maybe not on the log>
    Aphrodite Macbain: kk
    Eos Amaterasu: gotcha
    Alfred Kelberry: bad juju?
    Aphrodite Macbain: we can remove it....
    oO0Oo Resident: well may that being have peace, live long, and prosper ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: sl/rl boundary x logging
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nanu na nu
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Alfred Kelberry: nanu?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i know im off the wall today
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe that's our guide to the upcoming 90
    SophiaSharon Larnia: being off the wall?


    Alfred Kelberry: *senses the presence of storm*
    Aphrodite Macbain raises her umbrella
    Hokon Cazalet giggles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: peace :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: how was being off the wall?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know which way i fell, but it doesnt matter
    Aphrodite Macbain: I went by the 5 bells pub today around 4 but no one was there but boxy and he was "away"
    oO0Oo Resident: had to be without hanging my labels anywhere
    stevenaia Michinaga: was there at 9:00 boxy was away and wiggling his ears
    stevenaia Michinaga: 6:00 rather
    SophiaSharon Larnia: boxy is away a lot
    Aphrodite Macbain: are the in between meetings still happening there?
    Alfred Kelberry: huh?
    Eos Amaterasu: with awareness of falling off you get suddenly alert
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: i was sitting on the table napping
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i like to fall for a while
    druth Vlodovic: if you'd joined him there would have been two of you
    Aphrodite Macbain: true but not for long
    Eos Amaterasu: I haven't been to 5 bells the last couple days
    Aphrodite Macbain: I finally got round to going but no one was home except a boxer
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    druth Vlodovic: I was talking to zen earlier about what it takes to make a sim a hangout place, some of the practical solutions are, well, less than practical for here :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: anyone know how to get out of a white cloud apart from re-baking and logging out?
    Hokon Cazalet: wait a while
    SophiaSharon Larnia: open inventory and type a letter
    Aphrodite Macbain: while=?
    Hokon Cazalet: it has to deal with sl rezzing your av, not much one can do
    druth Vlodovic: you look fine to me
    Aphrodite Macbain: no this was another av
    Eos Amaterasu: who is the letter addressed to?

    Alfred Kelberry: i've heard of a study today that says most mathematicians have a tendency or already diagnosed with asperger syndrome
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    oO0Oo Resident: et go of the wall Aph?
    oO0Oo Resident: *let
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i can see how that would be, boxy
    Hokon Cazalet: oh if its others, i fly up high above my seeing distance, then fly back down, then anyone that was an aether puff isnt anymore
    Eos Amaterasu: asperger's syndrome has gone viral lately
    Aphrodite Macbain: am I stuck to it sam?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lately?
    Aphrodite Macbain: but its a syndrome
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i think i have it
    Eos Amaterasu: * :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: serioudlsly
    SophiaSharon Larnia: erm.. sp
    Eos Amaterasu: that was a pun on gone memetic
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, sophia, problem solving in the math field requires tremendous focus and dedication
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or an obsessive impulse
    Eos Amaterasu: it's true, like that guy who solved Fermat's Last Theorem
    Alfred Kelberry: for many it's possibly the only way in life to function properly
    Eos Amaterasu: to do math, you mean?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, escape into the rigid logic of math
    Aphrodite Macbain: how do they make breakfast?
    Aphrodite Macbain: or other things?
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm....for some people math is a goddess (Ramanujan)
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, mom does it for perelman :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it has unlocked secrets of the universe
    Aphrodite Macbain: dioes what? boxy
    Aphrodite Macbain: does
    Alfred Kelberry: breakfast :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: ha
    Hokon Cazalet: i see math as quasi-metaphysical myself
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: he's living with her
    Eos Amaterasu: nerds can go crazy over breakfast; Stephenson in Cryptonomicon goes on for pages about how precisely to add milk to cereal....
    Aphrodite Macbain: very nice
    SophiaSharon Larnia: eos :)
    druth Vlodovic: maybe people are metaphysical, so math look odd from where we stand
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: are they the only 2 choices?
    Hokon Cazalet: well only humans seem to be concerned about metaphysics
    Hokon Cazalet: so id agree druth
    Aphrodite Macbain: who else might be interested?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: when i meet a being that is not human that i can communicate with, ill ask them if they ar concerned about metaphysics
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Aphrodite Macbain: let me know what they answeeeeeer SS
    SophiaSharon Larnia: itll be one of the first thing i ask
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i hope they dont say huh>
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: i suspect that'd be their answer =P
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grr
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Alfred Kelberry: well, to comprehend topology in n dimensions your brain sure has to be wired a certain way (non conventional)
    Aphrodite Macbain: ask the baby what he thinks
    Hokon Cazalet: mommy!
    druth Vlodovic: when I ask non-human intelligences they just purr
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe druth
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Aph if only i could, i dont understand the language
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its so fine
    Eos Amaterasu thinks, that explains Bella!
    Alfred Kelberry: purring is nice
    Alfred Kelberry: can be healing even
    Aphrodite Macbain: a perrfect way to respond to the universe
    Eos Amaterasu: Let's purr in the next 90 secs
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: or wuff
    SophiaSharon Larnia: gets kinda freaky if its right in your ear tho
    Eos Amaterasu: wuff is fine
    Hokon Cazalet: im gonna go visit a friend, nice to chat with you peeps, see ya soon =)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain flexes her throat muscles


    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Hokon :)
    oO0Oo Resident: bye hokon
    Eos Amaterasu: ~~
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Hokon
    Alfred Kelberry: *purrs*
    Hokon Cazalet waves silently as to not disturb the bell-silence-time
    druth Vlodovic: cya hokon
    Eos Amaterasu: me purring, being purring?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: being purrs, its called the energetic vibration of the universe
    Eos Amaterasu: nada brahma
    Aphrodite Macbain: appreciate the prresence of purring
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so thats the name of it
    Alfred Kelberry: "Domestic cats purr in a frequency of 25 to 150 vibrations per second."
    oO0Oo Resident: Un-huh!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: looks like abracadabra
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am beginning to read Sakyong Mipham's Turning the Mind into an Ally
    Eos Amaterasu: need to run them thru garage band
    Aphrodite Macbain: and am really enjoing it. Any one else read it?
    Aphrodite Macbain APPLAUDS!!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: indie Nadabrahma
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: sorry- cat on the keys
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Aphrodite Macbain: noone?
    oO0Oo Resident: i have read it Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's very well and clearly written
    oO0Oo Resident: agreed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: does the octave matter?
    Eos Amaterasu: (nada brahma as in "sound is god"... (to SSL))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (re: Nadabrahma)
    Alfred Kelberry: anyone heard of promod batra?
    Eos Amaterasu shakes head
    Aphrodite Macbain thinks If I had a child I would call it Peaceful Abiding
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww
    Eos Amaterasu: wishful thinking :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: kids would call him pab in school
    Aphrodite Macbain: ha
    druth Vlodovic: "peaceful spent 3 hours crying last night without a break"
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh nos
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or maybe pea
    Aphrodite Macbain: seetpea
    Aphrodite Macbain: sweetpea
    Alfred Kelberry: i like the name nanu
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    Alfred Kelberry: "sweetest"
    Aphrodite Macbain: nanu sweetest...hmm
    Eos Amaterasu: nanutchka
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh i meant it from mork and mindy, i told you i fell off the truck today
    Aphrodite Macbain: that dates us SS
    Eos Amaterasu: what?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but good to know what it means!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i knows right
    Aphrodite Macbain: TV show, mork and mindy, nanu nanu
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is the actors name?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Robin WIlliams
    oO0Oo Resident: Robin Williams
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
    Aphrodite Macbain: right
    Eos Amaterasu feels like an anthropologist
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mork_%26_Mindy
    oO0Oo Resident sees SSL is still on her rocker
    Aphrodite Macbain: what does it feel like Eos?
    stevenaia Michinaga: his 1st tv show
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hey, i saw reruns _looks innocent-
    Eos Amaterasu: observational
    stevenaia Michinaga: Mork's greeting was "Na-Nu Na-Nu" (pronounced "nah-noo nah-noo")
    Aphrodite Macbain: looks younger
    Eos Amaterasu: observing a different culture, or piece of one
    Aphrodite Macbain: an extra terrestrial
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i like nanu = sweetest :D
    Eos Amaterasu: nanussima
    Aphrodite Macbain: infantissima bellissima
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must go, night all
    Eos Amaterasu: 'night, Stevenaia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: night Steve
    Aphrodite Macbain: nite stevee
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Steve leaves in style
    SophiaSharon Larnia: up up and away
    Aphrodite Macbain: up up and awayyyy
    Eos Amaterasu: 90 nanu
    oO0Oo Resident: bye stevenaia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: snap Aph


    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Paradise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: contiplates the sounds naaaaaa and nuuuuuuuu
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Paradise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: contemplates even
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Paradise :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves all round ;) hiya aph eos druth O sophia alfred :))
    Aphrodite Macbain smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Para
    Paradise Tennant: l:)
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Alfred Kelberry: para girl :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds like a skydiver
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Paradise Tennant: :)


    Aphrodite Macbain: we've been talking about babies and nanus
    Aphrodite Macbain: and mathematics
    Eos Amaterasu: and purring
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes that too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or nanu baies (sweetest)
    Eos Amaterasu: can they pass the purring test?
    Aphrodite Macbain: There once was a sweetie called Nanu,
    Paradise Tennant: what are nanus ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: (hmmm nothing rhymes with nanu
    druth Vlodovic: ack! another one!
    druth Vlodovic: now I feel old
    Aphrodite Macbain: did you ever see Mork and Mindy Para?
    Aphrodite Macbain: with Robyn Williams
    Paradise Tennant: hmm yes but did not get to watch tv a lot so .. not very often
    SophiaSharon Larnia: who had a bundle of leaves made into a canoe
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice one SS
    Aphrodite Macbain: He paddled away for a night and a day
    Aphrodite Macbain: until he bumped into Samu
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Aphrodite Macbain: (o)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and met shamoo
    Aphrodite Macbain: the withdoctor
    Aphrodite Macbain: witchdoctor
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :O
    Aphrodite Macbain: shaman I am mam, he said
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what is it you wish to play
    Aphrodite Macbain: sorry. I need my dinner
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha Aph i know what thats like
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: and Nanu played on his kazoo
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Aphrodite Macbain: time to make my exit before I make a real fool of myself
    Eos Amaterasu: caio aph
    oO0Oo Resident: bon appetite aph :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Aphrodite :)
    druth Vlodovic: have fun aph
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and again i know what thats like
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Eos Amaterasu: ¿?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no such thing here, is it?
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Paradise Tennant: :)


    Paradise Tennant: waves at the departed aph a bit late :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nanu eveyone :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have a great night, veneing
    Eos Amaterasu: nanu nanu ~~
    SophiaSharon Larnia: evening*
    Paradise Tennant: good nite sophia
    oO0Oo Resident: night SSL gtsy :)
    Paradise Tennant: babies nanu .. and mathematics .. :)
    Eos Amaterasu: nanumathics
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at eos how is your practise doing are you still meditating every day :)
    Eos Amaterasu: the art and science of joyful being
    Alfred Kelberry: i prefer 9 sec meditations
    Eos Amaterasu: boxy is levitating
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: hmm find it hard sometimes to remember to do the 9 secs
    Paradise Tennant: often sit in the morning though .. foggy meditation :)
    Eos Amaterasu: sometimes the air is bright with birds
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.rockapelli.com/foggyam.htm
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    oO0Oo Resident: :) clicking
    Paradise Tennant: amazing what searches come up ::)
    Eos Amaterasu: I've recorded a bunch of 9-seconds in case I or anyone needs them
    Paradise Tennant: smiles I would like to listen to them
    Eos Amaterasu: coming to you as a web service, on demand
    Eos Amaterasu: but you could record your own
    Eos Amaterasu is selling gaps
    Eos Amaterasu: portable holes, as we talked about in another session
    Paradise Tennant: smiles :)
    Eos Amaterasu: dusky shakuhachis
    Paradise Tennant: smiles portable holes not a phrase you hear very often :)
    oO0Oo Resident sees/hears Eos as beat poet narrator over didge track
    Eos Amaterasu: Canadian roads are littered with them :-)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Eos Amaterasu: people keep dropping them
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    oO0Oo Resident: they sprout as flower children?
    Paradise Tennant: here is a another link from my foggy meditation search :)
    Paradise Tennant: http://books.google.ca/books?id=PIqtoNTCt2YC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=foggy++meditation&source=bl&ots=F8LjeD9QcK&sig=rTqbLxMwAyGmi4ctVyXlDUMJSa8&hl=en&ei=Uk6uTfenAquI0QGOj-SwCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=foggy%20%20meditation&f=false
    Eos Amaterasu: wow, that's a URL!
    Paradise Tennant: I guess lots of people find their mediation practice a llittle foggy :)
    Eos Amaterasu: that looks like my mind!
    Eos Amaterasu: fog included
    Alfred Kelberry: poof
    Eos Amaterasu: a bit of stillness can make everything seem like it's speeding by
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, i thought everyone left first :)
    druth Vlodovic: goodnight everyone


    Paradise Tennant: nite nite druth sweet dreams
    Eos Amaterasu: 'night druth
    oO0Oo Resident: night Druth
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at alfred's blue eye and brown eye :) like mr blue .. a dog with david bowie eyes :)
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Alfred Kelberry: para :)
    Eos Amaterasu: is beat, must go
    Paradise Tennant: so now we have nanus mathematics, babies and foggy mediation and movie star pups :)
    Paradise Tennant: good nite eos thank you
    Eos Amaterasu: quite a brew, thank you all!
    oO0Oo Resident: "somewhere in the middle is astate of vividness and clarity"
    Alfred Kelberry: meditate well, eos
    oO0Oo Resident: night para :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes ! was reading that line too :)
    Eos Amaterasu: catch that as it neither comes nor goes, yes!
    Paradise Tennant: just enough effort to make things vivid :)
    oO0Oo Resident: night eos
    Paradise Tennant: good nite eos L(
    Alfred Kelberry: lullaby
    oO0Oo Resident listens
    Paradise Tennant: smiling :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Paradise Tennant: nice ! thank you alfred :)
    oO0Oo Resident: lovely music Boxy
    Paradise Tennant: a musical pup :)
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles my friends are so gifted :) makes me feel lucky
    oO0Oo Resident: yes... feel the same Para
    Paradise Tennant: often think life is just the brain trust you attach to :) sometimes
    oO0Oo Resident: how many brain pups in a brain trust i wonder
    oO0Oo Resident: ;
    oO0Oo Resident: ;)
    Paradise Tennant: lol there are many many brillant canines out there entirely convinced of it :)
    oO0Oo Resident: dogs just get it
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S5MXOpIufc
    oO0Oo Resident: OMDOG
    oO0Oo Resident: !!
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Paradise Tennant: dogs are not really built for riding a tricycle but he does it very well
    oO0Oo Resident: wb hokon :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe im heading to bed, just logging off here; goodnight all =)
    oO0Oo Resident: sleep well hokon gtsy :)
    Hokon Cazalet: you too =)
    oO0Oo Resident: temper your dream tampers ;)
    Paradise Tennant: sweet dreams hokon
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
    oO0Oo Resident: lol


    Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1vpB6h3ek4
    Paradise Tennant: equal time :)
    oO0Oo Resident: effortless effort :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. just makes you smile all that sheer grace :)
    Paradise Tennant: here is one on friendship :) with which I will say good nite :)
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cqTC5s62HY&feature=fvsr
    oO0Oo Resident: brains trust... grace trust... good friends
    Paradise Tennant: smiles good nite my friends :) may you dreams be full .. of the fullness of life :)
    oO0Oo Resident: brimming
    oO0Oo Resident: night Para
    Paradise Tennant: waves and hugs all round and a scratch behind the ears for barksy :)
    oO0Oo Resident: that's so sweet!
    Paradise Tennant: lol cannot figure out how to move in view 2 lol keep going in reverse !
    oO0Oo Resident: it would be nice if we could attach sound fles of your guitar playing to the wiki Alfred
    oO0Oo Resident: well...
    oO0Oo Resident: i will wander into further wonder... be well... look forward to hearing more music Alf :))
    oO0Oo Resident: tc

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