2011.04.22 19:00 - Quasi-spiritual, honest meditation

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Sylectra Darwin. The comments are by Sylectra Darwin.

    Hokon Cazalet: hiya
    druth Vlodovic: hokon! gtsy
    Hokon Cazalet: Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
    druth Vlodovic: so how addicted are you to the good doctor now :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe i like it a lot, gonna watch some more soon =)
    Hokon Cazalet: got the theme music in my had allthe time lol
    Hokon Cazalet: head*
    druth Vlodovic: ah poor thing, how you managed to avoid popular culture for so long...
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    druth Vlodovic: of course, this is a bit like starting smoking at 20
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: hi sylectra
    druth Vlodovic: hi syl
    Sylectra Darwin: hi Hokon, Druth!
    druth Vlodovic: have you been to play as being before?
    Sylectra Darwin: yup, for many years
    druth Vlodovic: lol, um, I'd guess that's a yes
    druth Vlodovic: (didn't see your tag)
    Sylectra Darwin: hehe
    Sylectra Darwin: I had Thursday nights for a long time
    Sylectra Darwin: had to beg off for a while due to a demanding job
    Sylectra Darwin: Friday nights came open, which seemed more possible for me.
    Sylectra Darwin: How are you both this evening?
    Hokon Cazalet: im groggy
    Hokon Cazalet: slept way too much
    Hokon Cazalet: food is here, bbl =)
    Sylectra Darwin: kk
    Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
    Sylectra Darwin: Well, when food is here, you must go and enjoy it!
    druth Vlodovic: priorities right?
    Sylectra Darwin: totally :)
    Sylectra Darwin: I already ate, so I'm good. It's 10 pm where I am, anyway. I should be about done eating for the day.
    druth Vlodovic: ah, we share a time zone
    druth Vlodovic: I'm not sure where hokon is
    Sylectra Darwin: must be earlier but then I have met many from the UK here in SL.
    Sylectra Darwin: It would be VERY early there.
    Sylectra Darwin: So, you have on a bunny outfit...for easter?
    druth Vlodovic: we have to hold on to our traditions :)
    druth Vlodovic: are you doing anything for easter?
    Sylectra Darwin: no, I will be resting and reflecting in my own way....
    Sylectra Darwin: I recently found myself a quaker.
    Sylectra Darwin: Now I hear, after losing enthusiasm for Easter and Christmas for my own reasons, that Quakers tend not to celebrate holidays.
    Sylectra Darwin: A funny coincidence.
    druth Vlodovic: there is such a thing as being too aestheitc
    Sylectra Darwin: I like the chocolate though :) and have attended many moving Good Friday services.
    druth Vlodovic: I mean really no chocolate?
    Sylectra Darwin: hehe
    Sylectra Darwin: chocolate is good
    druth Vlodovic: ah, I haven't been in a church service more than twice a year in ages
    druth Vlodovic: what made you resonate with the quakers?
    Sylectra Darwin: I like their simplicity.
    Sylectra Darwin: They have a silent worship with no pastor. After visiting many churches and not quite finding what I was looking for, the silent worship seemed the most honest.
    Sylectra Darwin: However they can be simple to an annoying degree - they love plainness almost for the sake of plainness.
    druth Vlodovic: it is hard for a technique not to become a doctrine
    Sylectra Darwin: So true, with any group
    druth Vlodovic: people in general like sharp divisions
    Sylectra Darwin: nods'
    Sylectra Darwin: makes us comfortable
    druth Vlodovic: we no longer have to think, take risks
    druth Vlodovic: be responsible
    Sylectra Darwin: yes
    druth Vlodovic: it helps give guidance in hard places though
    Sylectra Darwin: I was turned off by the big budgets of so many churches, and really still would be happiest if we just met in houses or outdoors when the weather is okay
    Sylectra Darwin: How do you think it gives us guidance in hard places?
    druth Vlodovic: I'd like to see what would happen if churches had to register as charities to keep their tax free status lol
    druth Vlodovic: well, in emergancies we tend to panic and act automatically
    druth Vlodovic: which is why we have fire drills and such, so our automatic action is a good one
    druth Vlodovic: doctrine helps in these sorts of situations, where thinking is hard to do
    Sylectra Darwin: Cant argue with that, true enough
    druth Vlodovic: I can't say I know much about quakers
    Sylectra Darwin: Not many do. The most I knew, while I was in high school, was that my stepmom sat around with a stern looking group of people in stiff backed chairs and didn't say anything for an hour. It was bizarre to happen upon them like that, with food laid out on the buffet ready to eat and nobody eating.
    druth Vlodovic: lol, that must be an experience in itself, sitting with other for an hour not talking
    druth Vlodovic: I usually last about two minutes, which makes me itch sitting here sometimes :)
    Sylectra Darwin: Now that I have done some meditation and such, I found it easy to sit with them in silence. It's a nice silence where we are aware of each other.
    Sylectra Darwin: GRIN
    Hokon Cazalet: back, taco bell = yummy
    druth Vlodovic: a well fed friend returns
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Sylectra Darwin: taco bell, I was wondering!
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Sylectra Darwin: we were visiting about Easter traditions and not-Easter traditions
    Hokon Cazalet: ok
    druth Vlodovic: and sitting in silence with others for extended periods of time
    Sylectra Darwin: I like to peek and open my eyes and see what everyone else is doing :)
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Sylectra Darwin: Sometimes I catch someone else doing the same and we grin at each other.
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    druth Vlodovic: what are you supposed to be doing/thinking about?
    Sylectra Darwin: Well I haven't been hanging out that long with quakers, so bear that in mind...
    Sylectra Darwin: But I think we're supposed to be sitting in silence, waiting on any messages we might receive.
    Sylectra Darwin: It's customary to stand up and speak out of the silence if you have decided this is an important leading.
    Sylectra Darwin: Most people phrase such things very carefully, not like opinions or argument, and not like the gospel truth, but just their personal truth.
    Hokon Cazalet: yeah ive run into that before
    Hokon Cazalet: my muslim friend in rl says when people from her culture have an experience or such, they frame it that way (if they even speak about it)
    Sylectra Darwin: It's amazing to me that kids sit with us for the first 15 minutes, and they do a great job of staying quiet.
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Sylectra Darwin: so many parallels with our friends from various faiths :)
    Hokon Cazalet: yup =)
    druth Vlodovic: do you still meditate?
    Hokon Cazalet: wb sylectra
    Hokon Cazalet: me?
    druth Vlodovic: well, I was asking syl, but there is no reason you can't answer
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe =)
    druth Vlodovic: I was thinking how these meetings she mentioned sounds like a sort of group meditation
    Hokon Cazalet: sometimes they kinda feel that way (for me)
    Hokon Cazalet: i wanna meditate more
    druth Vlodovic: how often do you?
    Hokon Cazalet: honest meditation, maybe once a year
    Hokon Cazalet: i wanna do it way more often, like once a week at least =)
    Sylectra Darwin: onc a week
    druth Vlodovic: ok, how often do you engage in dishonest mediatation?
    Sylectra Darwin: hehehe!
    Sylectra Darwin: as often as we can.
    Hokon Cazalet: well when i listen to music ill sort of engage in a pseudo-meditation, that happens almost daily
    Hokon Cazalet: (i kinda use music in a quasi-spiritual way hehe)
    Sylectra Darwin: sounds good to me
    druth Vlodovic: I talk to people who do little meditations of 10 or 20 minutes once or twice a day
    Hokon Cazalet: oph cool
    druth Vlodovic: lol, try to find 20 quiet minutes at my house
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Sylectra Darwin: lol I know
    Sylectra Darwin: I see people meditating on the train
    Sylectra Darwin: We're packed in like sardines, cannot move
    Sylectra Darwin: And people are zoning out, some looking like it is deliberate.
    druth Vlodovic: I always jump and look around if someone walks by when I'm trying to do it, you'd think I was stealing stuff
    Sylectra Darwin: you are - wink
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe =)
    druth Vlodovic: stealing time
    Hokon Cazalet: AHH!!!!
    Sylectra Darwin: stealing serenity...how dare you?
    Hokon Cazalet: black holes kinda consume time
    Sylectra Darwin: Most of us have the decency to feel nervous and harried.
    Sylectra Darwin: :)
    druth Vlodovic: the ultimate meditator, black holes are old spiritual masters
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    druth Vlodovic: reminds me of a dilbert cartoon where they accused him of stealing time at work when he was caught smiling
    druth Vlodovic: "enjoying yourself on company time!"
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: i do that a lot :Þ
    Sylectra Darwin: wow
    Sylectra Darwin: smiles are free.
    Sylectra Darwin: Ahhh.
    druth Vlodovic: we keep losing people
    Sylectra Darwin: It looks as if we have lost Hokon
    druth Vlodovic: more tacos
    Sylectra Darwin: And now I must go to sleep :)
    druth Vlodovic: it was fun talking to you
    druth Vlodovic: have a good night
    Sylectra Darwin: same here!
    Sylectra Darwin: You too - ah - there is Hokon
    druth Vlodovic: wb H
    Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
    Sylectra Darwin: wb
    Hokon Cazalet: ty
    Sylectra Darwin: I'm taking off for the night.
    Hokon Cazalet: aw
    Hokon Cazalet: ok
    Hokon Cazalet: byebyes
    Sylectra Darwin: Gave a good one!
    druth Vlodovic: are you doing anything for easter?
    Hokon Cazalet: working, lol
    druth Vlodovic: ah, fun
    Hokon Cazalet: i get an extra 50 cents per hour!
    druth Vlodovic: they gave me my stat last month, I'm still trying to figure out how they did that
    Hokon Cazalet: whats that
    druth Vlodovic: statutory holiday, they have to pay us 8 hours
    Hokon Cazalet: oh
    druth Vlodovic: but since I work 12 hour shifts they get to play with it
    Hokon Cazalet: ok
    Hokon Cazalet: what job do you have?
    druth Vlodovic: I make itty bitty drill bits for dentists
    druth Vlodovic: what do you do?
    Hokon Cazalet: oh wow hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: i work at a call center, taking orders and such over the phone, for a pool supply store
    druth Vlodovic: sounds like fun
    druth Vlodovic: you speak Kant?
    Hokon Cazalet: lol
    Hokon Cazalet: yup
    druth Vlodovic: I knew there was a reason I couldn't understand the guy
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: he invented his own unique language
    druth Vlodovic: a lot of people do
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Hokon Cazalet: ive been doing it slowly with my philosophy musings as well
    Hokon Cazalet: "Metaphysics however is not concerned with mere conjectures, but with the actual conditions of the world, thus metaphysics is material in this sense, thought where the content or object is of importance. Hence there is a need for a type of positivity in philosophy (although we can be quite sure it is not an empirical or ontic positivity) as we are concerned with the way things actually are, not the form of what any hypothetical thing is."
    Hokon Cazalet: lol
    Hokon Cazalet: actually that sentence pair isnt that bad
    druth Vlodovic: what's an ontic?
    Hokon Cazalet: ontic is factual or dealing with the properties a thing has
    Hokon Cazalet: an ontic study of forks would involve looking at the various properties a fork possesses
    Hokon Cazalet: the facts concerning a fork
    druth Vlodovic: so he wants positivity in order to connect with the actual conditions of the world, but not based on facts or experience?
    Hokon Cazalet: yeah, thats the direction im going
    druth Vlodovic: yeah, I just came from a discussion on ontology, please don't go in that direction
    Hokon Cazalet: lol
    Hokon Cazalet: im not big into ontology myself anymore so, dont worry =)
    druth Vlodovic: I've seen a couple spiritualists go off their nut, or maybe they just discover a truth that is so far beyond my own understanding I can no longer effectively communicate
    druth Vlodovic: it's hard to tell the difference
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: yeah it can be hard sometimes
    Hokon Cazalet: ontology is a pretty tenious field of inquiry right now, so its hard to tell in general whats legit or not
    druth Vlodovic: I'm almost positive I misunderstood the idea, it seemed too silly to be taken seriously
    druth Vlodovic: there are people over at thothica, want to go check it out?
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe what was the idea presented? (im not looking to discuss it, im just curious)
    Hokon Cazalet: ok
    druth Vlodovic: the idea was said to be that god exists because, um, something needs to, so he must
    Hokon Cazalet: er
    Hokon Cazalet: lol
    druth Vlodovic: yeah, like I said, I'd better look it up before discussing it in detail
    Hokon Cazalet: i know theres an "ontological" argument for God, tries to argue God exists by mere analysis of the concept of God but . . .
    Hokon Cazalet: ok
    Hokon Cazalet: thats ok
    druth Vlodovic: well, that is I'd better keep my own ideas to myself, I wasn't suggesting I'm impervious to the ideas of others
    Hokon Cazalet: aaw
    Hokon Cazalet: i like your comments =)
    druth Vlodovic: just keep saying that ;-)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    druth Vlodovic: I'm going to see who is at thothica, do you want me to tp you?
    Hokon Cazalet: (a a matter of semantics, typically discussions on God are typically classified under theology, not ontology; not that they are exclusive, just classifiacation stuff)
    Hokon Cazalet: sure
    druth Vlodovic: 'k
    druth Vlodovic: lol, hi paradise!
    Hokon Cazalet: hi paradise =)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves :) hey druth .. hokon :)
    Paradise Tennant: enjoy !
    Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
    Paradise Tennant: hiya stev :)
    Paradise Tennant: was just about to turn in:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, glad I caught you,
    stevenaia Michinaga: sweet dreams paradise
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: stev this al a friend from my early days in sl
    Al Camden: hi stev
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to meet you Al
    Paradise Tennant: have introduced him to pab before but he is not online much :)
    Al Camden: i am about to take off
    stevenaia Michinaga: n.p.
    stevenaia Michinaga: night you too
    Paradise Tennant: you would like pab al :) very good conversation :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: two
    Al Camden: yes i may come back
    Al Camden: i think stev may have been here when i was here many months ago
    Paradise Tennant: nods quite likely the same folks come to the same time slots
    Paradise Tennant: it is like going to a village pub and knowing how will like be there
    Al Camden: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Al Camden thinking back on my days in London
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks like you were here 12.17 and 1.15
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Al Camden: ah!
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome back
    Al Camden: thank you stev
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have a great memory
    stevenaia Michinaga: at least for searching the logs
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe
    Al Camden: stev were you the person who were interested in astronomy?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles all the conversations are posted to the playasbeing.org site
    Paradise Tennant: so you can read them
    stevenaia Michinaga: ctually they were both 2010
    Paradise Tennant: just posted mine from last night
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, interested yes, but not focused on astronomy
    Paradise Tennant: smiles well I really am sleepy so I am going to toddle off with the pup and head to dream land :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night PAradise
    Al Camden: wonderful paradise
    Al Camden: logging here
    Al Camden: see you again stev
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m off t find some music
    Paradise Tennant: namaste my friends :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    Al Camden: see you paradise
    Al Camden: night

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