2011.04.25 19:00 - meiwaku


    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.


    An interesting night with our new friend Trent 


    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to sam
    stevenaia Michinaga: how are you tonight?
    oO0Oo Resident waves .. hiya Stevenaia :) gtsy.. well thanks.. and you?
    stevenaia Michinaga: good, had a lovely last week with family
    stevenaia Michinaga: things are finally quieting down


    oO0Oo Resident: oh nice.. and nice
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi druth
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Druth gtsy :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: gtsy
    druth Vlodovic: hi steve, hi oo
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice calendar, will it update automatically?
    druth Vlodovic: no, all manual
    stevenaia Michinaga: eek
    stevenaia Michinaga: you do wnat to keep yourself busy
    druth Vlodovic: lol, it's just atable right now, doesn't have any of the features I wanted
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Events/Calendar
    oO0Oo Resident: where is the calendar Druth?
    druth Vlodovic: I figured if I waited until I knew what I was doing I'd never start
    oO0Oo Resident: ah , thanks Stevenaia
    oO0Oo Resident: looks very helpful Drth :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: "just a table" sounds like rocket science to me
    oO0Oo Resident: *Druth
    oO0Oo Resident: ty for doing it
    druth Vlodovic: nah, just fiddly slogging
    druth Vlodovic: yw


    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    oO0Oo Resident nods at Susan.. good to see you
    druth Vlodovic: hi sue
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Susan, gtsy
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am filling for Sophia tonight
    stevenaia Michinaga: hoping to live up to Monday night;s expectations
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    druth Vlodovic: oh? what are we expecting?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no idea
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Wol
    oO0Oo Resident: :).. wondering about 'emptying' as part of filling in
    Wol Euler: hello everyione
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Wol
    druth Vlodovic: hi wol
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    stevenaia Michinaga: just a few miles from me, as the bus flies
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you been shopping in the states?
    druth Vlodovic: sort of like death making way for life, we need to empty in order to fill properly lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: there is never a void, just making space for more
    stevenaia Michinaga: more what is yet to be seen

    Trent Denja materializes an joins us .... the conversational energy flows....

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Trent
    druth Vlodovic: hi trent
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before
    Trent Denja: only once when no one was around. I got the notecard.
    Trent Denja: stop
    Trent Denja: you don't have to on my account
    Trent Denja: er, s.top on my account
    stevenaia Michinaga: so you are aware we record our conversations here and post them to the groups Wiki?
    oO0Oo Resident: hi trent, welcome :)
    Trent Denja: Yep, that's fine
    stevenaia Michinaga: is it ok to include your commments?
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx
    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to have a seat if only to listen
    Trent Denja: appreciate it
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi fox
    Fox Monacular: Hello everyone
    Wol Euler: hello trent, hello fox
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    oO0Oo Resident: hiya Fox .. gtsy
    druth Vlodovic: hey fox
    stevenaia Michinaga: our very own burning bush, how seasonal
    Fox Monacular: hehe
    druth Vlodovic: lol, I used to avoid meiwaku too, then I found that the more I avoided it the more of a nuisance they regarded me as
    Trent Denja: haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: meiwaku?
    Trent Denja: I have a hard time avoiding it
    Trent Denja: being a pain in the ass, essentially
    Wol Euler: trent's profile :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: how did you find such a concept?
    druth Vlodovic: now I bug everybody, the less I care the less bothered they seem to be, at least to me :)
    Trent Denja: By accident when I was attempting to learn Japanese
    Trent Denja: it sounded good to me
    stevenaia Michinaga: I often stuble on to asome concept only to find it either what I am doing or what I wnat to be doing
    stevenaia Michinaga: *stumble
    druth Vlodovic: that's what makes it awesome
    stevenaia Michinaga: and it;s already been thought about, usually more completely than I ahve
    Trent Denja: It's funny how what you believe or want changes. One of the reasons I never got a tattoo - what I thought was cool when I was 18 makes me laugh now.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello ayaan
    oO0Oo Resident nods at trent
    Fox Monacular: hi ayaan
    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to join us, we record our sessions here, it it ok to include your comments?
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Ayaan, welcome
    Trent Denja: So what do you all usually talk about? Or rather, how do you get the ball rolling? Or is there no structure?


    stevenaia Michinaga: we cover fairly wide topics in somewhat structured ways... the starting point is What is the nature of reality.... looks to trent for the answer... we meet 4 times a day every 6 hours
    Trent Denja: The nature of reality, eh?
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Fox Monacular: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes as an ending point
    druth Vlodovic: 42
    stevenaia Michinaga: we have been here for over 3 year, it is suggested to meditate every 15 minuites when the bell rings to help clear out minds
    oO0Oo Resident: 'course Wol's wardrobe figures largely in this exploration
    Trent Denja: Reality is what is. It is the moment. The right now that's happening as I'm typing this, and the moment that you're reading it.
    Wol Euler: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: that is what it is, what is its nature?
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Trent Denja: Does it need one?
    Trent Denja: or have one
    stevenaia Michinaga: see, if I knew, wouldn;t be any need to be here
    Trent Denja: what is nature?
    Trent Denja: (I think I like this place. WHen I ask these questions around my friends they usually just think I'm being a prick)
    Fox Monacular: mu
    Wol Euler: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: a short wiki page on "Nature"
    oO0Oo Resident: the present moment finds 'usually' how?
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature
    Trent Denja: could you rephrase sam? I'm not sure I got the question
    Fox Monacular: nature is a highly prestigious journal
    Wol Euler: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: pondering the idea of 'usually' in context of each moment passing
    Trent Denja: the nature of reality seems like - well, I don't know if it's even a helpful question. And I mean that with the utmost respect. Sort of like, what is the nature of time?
    Trent Denja: does it have a nature?
    Trent Denja: or do we simply think it has to
    Fox Monacular: does a dog have a buddha nature?
    Trent Denja: because we like to define and catagorize, and devide
    iwandertoo Resident: looks around and sees realities nature in everything
    oO0Oo Resident: interesting point trent
    stevenaia Michinaga: grind, there is a special "Time" session every friday, trant, becareful what you ask
    Fox Monacular: sometimes it is helpful to define and categorize, and sometimes it is necessary to look beyond
    Trent Denja: :)
    druth Vlodovic: "It has to have a purpose or it'll lack purpose" I can't tell you how many times I've seen that advanced as a reasonable argument
    oO0Oo Resident nods
    Trent Denja: I'm always wary of talking about things like this in text, because without facial expressions, tonality, and a million other things you get face to face, it can be hard to tell the intent of a comment
    Trent Denja: so please trust that everything I say is respectful and exploratory, even if I'm challenging ideas
    iwandertoo Resident: wonders what doesnt have a purpose?
    oO0Oo Resident: and sometimes to synthesize the two into the ultimate meaning of human existence
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes not looking presents an answer for you
    oO0Oo Resident: ;)
    Fox Monacular: and sometimes a question presents itself too:)
    oO0Oo Resident: and a question becomes an answer
    Trent Denja: But does anything even need purpose, or are we doing so much harm to ourselves by constantly trying to find it?
    druth Vlodovic: "nature" as base qualities, but why assume things have base qualities? because it makes them easier to define, and assign meaning to, giving us a sort of lifejacket in a chaotic sea
    stevenaia Michinaga: how often does the one who looks for love never find it, but the one who does not usually gets clobbered by it
    Trent Denja: To me that's the difference between joy and pleasure
    Trent Denja: and I'm not judging either, or ascribing value to them
    Trent Denja: but joy is the moment, it's a sunset, seeing a beautiful woman, admiring the curves on a car, or playing with a child, and it's love.
    Trent Denja: pleasure is the search for past joy
    Trent Denja: and is futile in that sense
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    druth Vlodovic: pleasure is sort of inwards, joy is usually directed outwards
    stevenaia Michinaga: Trent, that is how we approach things here, with a open mind and a curious pursuit, we don;t argue, we listen and learn
    Wol Euler: conversation is not a zero-sum game
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: rare to hear, Wol


    Trent Denja: I think you're right that pleasure is innately selfish - and again - I think it's important not to judge and just observe - while joy is both incidental and not inherently selfish
    Trent Denja: that said, I search for pleasure all the time without realizing it - it's hard not to
    druth Vlodovic: nothing wrong with selfish
    stevenaia Michinaga: but can;t they also be gifts?
    Fox Monacular: it is a pleasure for me to see certain people
    stevenaia Michinaga: to yourself and others
    Fox Monacular: and a pleasure to do things for them
    Fox Monacular: a pleasure to see my child grow
    oO0Oo Resident: agreed Fox
    druth Vlodovic: joy you sort of forget yourself for a bit and become part of the world
    druth Vlodovic: pleasure you feel as part of yourself
    Fox Monacular: yes, to me too joy is something more transcedent and global
    Fox Monacular: joy like a state... and pleasure as an event
    Trent Denja: and I think that pleasure is the search for joy, whereas joy just happens
    Trent Denja: which ties back to the beginning, which is looking for love vs. stumbling across it
    Trent Denja: the search is the difference, whether it's love, or sex, or whathaveyou
    Trent Denja: that makes it apart from joy, and turns it into something else
    oO0Oo Resident: who are we without 'what we have'?
    druth Vlodovic: oh I see, "trying" too hard to find joy, and thus obscuring/preventing it
    Fox Monacular: without what we have we are what we are:)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)))
    Trent Denja: or with it
    Trent Denja: I'm disappointed I came late!
    Fox Monacular: come back in 6 hours:)
    oO0Oo Resident: good to have your being here Trent :)
    druth Vlodovic: you started the discussion :)
    Trent Denja: well, thanks for accepting me.
    druth Vlodovic: or stay for the next six
    Trent Denja: that works too
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we were waiting for you :)
    Trent Denja: hah, you can do beter
    Trent Denja: better
    stevenaia Michinaga: but please join us anytime
    Fox Monacular: ( my avi is typing but I am not... makes me question the nature of relaity)
    druth Vlodovic: you keep throwing out things that have become catch phrases here, be interesting to hear where you go with them
    Wol Euler: :)
    Trent Denja: I can imagine there's quite a tome of history here
    Trent Denja: that I'll force you all to revisit
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    Trent Denja: yeah I was going to say Fox you must be working on a book over there
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs
    Fox Monacular: hehe, yes... in thesis mode all the time
    oO0Oo Resident: Sadly, I must logoff.. Nice to meet you Trent! See you again another time. As always, great to be with you, Druth, Stevenaia, Wol, Susan and Fox. :)))
    Trent Denja: holy hell that's a lot of logs. Someone's going to end up with a book
    Trent Denja: likewise Sam - take care of yourself
    druth Vlodovic: have fun samud
    Wol Euler: bye sam, take care
    Fox Monacular: take care Sam!
    oO0Oo Resident: take care everyone :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye sam, thank for joining us
    Fox Monacular: :))) yes, a lot of logs:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: and... increadible hat Wol
    Fox Monacular: you should start by reading scribes firms:)
    Fox Monacular: first
    Fox Monacular: oh, yes, Wol, I am staring at your hat for the past 45 minutes
    stevenaia Michinaga: there are highlights scattered in the wiki
    Trent Denja: Definitely enough to keep busy for awhile
    Fox Monacular: yes, and 4 new ones are added every day
    Fox Monacular: (at least 4)
    Trent Denja: I'll be sure to make it here on time next time - or at least sometime tomorrow that is
    Wol Euler: sorry, too tired, jetlag is suddely hitting me hard. I'm going to have to go to bed
    Trent Denja: <- eastern US
    Wol Euler: goodnight all
    Trent Denja: take care Wol
    Fox Monacular: I need to leave too


    Fox Monacular: good night everyone
    Trent Denja: nice meeting you - same with you fox, and everyone else
    iwandertoo Resident: nite Wol
    druth Vlodovic: 'night wol
    Trent Denja: night
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    iwandertoo Resident: nite, Fox
    stevenaia Michinaga: we aren;t always this puntual :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we do try st start on time
    stevenaia Michinaga: and try not to talk over the 90 seconds...oops
    Trent Denja: I planned on dropping by, time just got away from me - I was a little torn between coming in halfway through, or waiting until tomorrow
    Trent Denja: but said the hell with it
    druth Vlodovic: it's not really structured enough to have a "half way"
    stevenaia Michinaga: stop in anytime, there conversation begins when it is ready
    Trent Denja: Good to know
    stevenaia Michinaga: sually half way is the begining
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: *usually
    Trent Denja: the 1am shift is 4am for me - but I'll most likely catch the rest of you tomorrow evening if you're around
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes we sit quietly for the hour
    stevenaia Michinaga: depends on the energy of the moment here
    Trent Denja: I'll try and remember that. I tend to talk a lot.
    stevenaia Michinaga: each session ahs a different group of people to
    Trent Denja: yeah
    stevenaia Michinaga: so each time is unique
    stevenaia Michinaga: even with the same people
    Trent Denja: :)
    Trent Denja: Well I'm going to meander off for a little bit before bed. One of my SL weaknesses is toys... if I don't play with my sailboats once a day here, something is wrong.
    Trent Denja: Was a pleasure (or a joy?)
    stevenaia Michinaga: for you or for us?
    druth Vlodovic: lol, have fun treant
    iwandertoo Resident: waves, take care
    Trent Denja: for me most certainly
    Trent Denja: you too!
    druth Vlodovic: it was "real" :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice meeting you Trent
    Trent Denja: likewise
    stevenaia Michinaga: that was nice
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems there is always room for one more here
    iwandertoo Resident: must be endless
    iwandertoo Resident: imagien you have seen a great many differnt people that all may fit in some way
    stevenaia Michinaga: something nice about that, yes
    iwandertoo Resident: that one is able to ask questions here...very comforting
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders how trent found us
    stevenaia Michinaga: or anyone else, sems there is a special gravity about this palce
    druth Vlodovic: more food for the stats, send out a survey lol
    iwandertoo Resident: i was wondering and met you, Stevenaia.
    iwandertoo Resident: perhaps its this...
    stevenaia Michinaga: survey monkey
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: gravity
    iwandertoo Resident: a very uplifting ggravity of sorts
    druth Vlodovic: 'night guys, have fun
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    stevenaia Michinaga: night druth, I'll shut down the log if that's ok susan
    iwandertoo Resident: yes

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