2011.05.03 07:00 - Between Simple and Chaos - JustUs(Justice) and Love

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways. Who had a topic for once, but it never really got going.

    Not sure, if the end should be given away yet?

    Hard to believe 6!!!!

    Can not wait til next week!

    Riddle Sideways: good morning, good friend Listener
    Riddle Sideways: ah good morning friend Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Riddle......how is your son?
    Riddle Sideways: his is ...
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning you two
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what happened to him ?
    Riddle Sideways: lets see, he is finishing his last classwork
    Archmage Atlantis: Then he is himself, that is proud
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Yaku
    Riddle Sideways: comes home for a few days, to NYC with us for a few and then to Africa
    Archmage Atlantis: Goo kid
    Riddle Sideways: 6-8 weeks there, then not sure what he is doing
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, that was supposed to be Good Kid
    Riddle Sideways: maybe he could get a job :}
    Archmage Atlantis: He will
    Riddle Sideways: thanks for asking
    Archmage Atlantis: When he sees the one that honors you
          Dear Arch and all other non-parents out there.  /me is both one of the most out-there entities you might meet and one of the most grounded in this parent/time/space category.
        Children are the greatest joy and the greatest heartache.  We do our best to fold a perfect paper boat and launch it into the river stream of their life.  Then to watch from shore as eddies, rocks, sunshine and winds cast their lives.
        Just got off the phone with son.  He can't just do the final paper and presentation of the final classwork.   He can't just do a PowerPoint presentation.  No, he has to have me help setup an interactive AJAX-Joomla website with google maps and polls and multiple paths through the storyline.  
        Be aware you normal lifers...  There is a comet comnig! 


    Riddle Sideways: and I have been meaning to ask Arch about a question you asked
    Archmage Atlantis: ?
    Riddle Sideways: during 3yr party you asked about chaos
    Riddle Sideways: about a maybe non-mathicatical explanation
    Riddle Sideways: was not a good time to chat about it then
    Riddle Sideways: did you ever have that conversation
    Archmage Atlantis: And the question is? and to whom is it?
    Riddle Sideways: or enough about it
    Archmage Atlantis: The time is ripe
    Riddle Sideways: seems like ripe for a topic

    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: On Sunday, a period was put on an era.....now a new era begins
    Riddle Sideways listens
    Archmage Atlantis: Honor thy father and thy mother *smile* ........even those of us who are old need to remember that
    Archmage Atlantis: I have met many who were damaged by others, yet they chose to life
    Archmage Atlantis: 12 yo boys who were gang raped......20 yo women who were abused and left for dead in the dumpsters of Philadelphia
    Riddle Sideways: Hi dRuth
    druth Vlodovic: hi
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning druth
    Archmage Atlantis: a silent hello, druth

    druth Vlodovic: silent? why ius that?
    Archmage Atlantis: Bell
    druth Vlodovic: ah
    Riddle Sideways is still listening to Arch

    Archmage Atlantis: Every rule, every law, is only a glimpse into right
    Archmage Atlantis: None can completely capture that larger meaning of justice and love
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, wondering if rules and 'laws' can define much less control love
    Archmage Atlantis: The more we understand, the more difficult the task becomes
    Riddle Sideways: would another thousand laws make justice
    Riddle Sideways: would another war make peace
    Riddle Sideways: how can the 633 rules be remembered all the time now
    Riddle Sideways: but, what happened Sunday, arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus wonders about laws and perfect laws and rules and use of rules at their borders like when a few years ago amaerican company´s bought german canalization systems and social housing to safe taxes in the usa
    Archmage Atlantis: Oshama Bin Laden was shot in the head by Navy Seals.......that happened on the Christian Sunday
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet, that is the individual who elimanated many lives in NY
    Archmage Atlantis: I watched the planes crash into the towers
    Archmage Atlantis: None of those things seem just
    Riddle Sideways: nope
    druth Vlodovic: I don't like the word "justice" it gets mixed up with "revenge" and "fairness" too much
    Riddle Sideways: revenge, retaliation, an unjust on top of unjustice
    Archmage Atlantis: I agree with your observation about just being mixed with those other things
    druth Vlodovic: I have an odd view on revenge and punishment
    Archmage Atlantis: Sometimes, those who like science an logic as I do, do not understand that just exists outside
    druth Vlodovic: revenge is just letting your anger overcome your reason
    Riddle Sideways: yes, to both
    Archmage Atlantis: That peace and love are not small
    druth Vlodovic: punishment serves no purpose except to get someone's attention so they can recieve instruction
    Archmage Atlantis: I see that idea druth.....but that says we do not pay attention without punishment........I truely believe love can do the same....though it may take longer......and be more difficult......and require more personal strenght

    druth Vlodovic: well, that is for kids, who sometimes need help cutting through the noise inside their heads, you do not ned to punish if you already have their attention

    Archmage Atlantis: That was the moment when the covenant was passed, now is another

    druth Vlodovic: but what do you mean "just exists outside"?
    Archmage Atlantis: What I meant was that it isn't logical always

    Riddle Sideways: between the very simple and the complete chaos is where we live
    Riddle Sideways: it is called complexity
    Archmage Atlantis: yes....that is the riddle of life *g*
    Riddle Sideways: and it is many times too complex for us
    Riddle Sideways: yet can look too simple/static other times
    Riddle Sideways: many times it is good to look deeply into the one atom we are studying
    Riddle Sideways: other times good to see the universe
    Riddle Sideways: have invented a greater inteligence or a great magic for those things we do not see (yet)
    Archmage Atlantis: Or to hold our cat in our arms, and hug them, tho they ar 17 yo and probably no long with us
    Riddle Sideways: have made works of Art, to picture the unexplainable
    Riddle Sideways: and to be on the phone with mom who can not hear the words
    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Riddle Sideways: in almost the same moment we think of ourselves as
    Riddle Sideways: the little speck in the great whatever
    Riddle Sideways: and also we are ALL, it, Being
    Archmage Atlantis: The thing is, there is a whatever, whatever it is
    Riddle Sideways: thirdly, we can also be outside
    Riddle Sideways: there is, if you choice to view that point of view
    Archmage Atlantis: Or, to paraphrase a wll known philosopher, if there were no whatever, we would have to invent it :)

         /me was taken aback by the data from a Radar HUD (must be true) saying dRuth is 2m away and the visual proof of no rendering of any object (must be true:)
    Riddle Sideways: druth? where did you poof
    Archmage Atlantis: i must poof also
    druth Vlodovic: hiding :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care arch
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Xir anna
    druth Vlodovic: have fun arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey xirana
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi I'm late :))

    Riddle Sideways: ty yak the bringer of invisibilty cloaks
    Xirana Oximoxi: I nearly didn't dare to come and plus I crash very oft
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i didn´t give it to druth, druth had one himself
    druth Vlodovic: sunshine
    Xirana Oximoxi: but it's nice to see you all..even if it's only to say hello ans good morning:)
    Riddle Sideways: ah, the fear of crashing
    druth Vlodovic: so besides crashing why were you not sure you dared be here?
    Xirana Oximoxi: well.. because I don't like to interrupt (and one day Riddle tols that if it was 15 mnites late, he didn't come :))
    Xirana Oximoxi: so, today I've dared to come 45 minutes late! :)
    druth Vlodovic: we're not really that rigid
    Yakuzza Lethecus wonders that the sim didn´t restart today
    Riddle Sideways: that was just talk that day
    Riddle Sideways: did not mean to be your rule
    Xirana Oximoxi: ah! yes that's another thing...
    druth Vlodovic: I've had the entire group show at ten minutes to 8
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes Rid, I know:)
    Xirana Oximoxi: that's why I've come:)
    Riddle Sideways: oh yes, had forgotten about waiting for the restart
    Riddle Sideways: the usual tuesday restart
    druth Vlodovic: it's a tradition now?
    Riddle Sideways: and we almost all went invisable for your arrival
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, somehow it became, they always seemed to choose tuesdays for those
    Riddle Sideways: lost track... maybe 4 tuesdays in a row
    Riddle Sideways: 6-7 total
    druth Vlodovic: g2g
    druth Vlodovic: have fun guys
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye druth, take care:)
    Riddle Sideways: bye dRuth
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye druth

    Riddle Sideways: oh goodie the SL status page says they are doing region restarts today

    Xirana Oximoxi: I had a topic... probably short to answer....
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Xirana Oximoxi: di you have the impression that the 'time' in SL is subjectively percieved not similat like in rl?
    Xirana Oximoxi: I've read that, one week in sl = one month rl
    Riddle Sideways: especially with the short daylight-nighttime cycles
    Xirana Oximoxi: not a seroius study...just comments in Forums

    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Riddle Sideways: boxy Alf
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi boxy
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Boxy!
    Riddle Sideways: welcome
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)

    Alfred Kelberry: do you see me ok?
    Riddle Sideways: of course
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes, I see you ok
    Alfred Kelberry: does my shape look right?
    Xirana Oximoxi: did you change your look?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i partly would agree to that, but mainly because it´s easier to do more activities in virtual worlds without having to commute

    Alfred Kelberry: no, lindens updated the server code
    Riddle Sideways: that little nose is hard to click :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    Alfred Kelberry: so, v1 clients may see v2 clients differently
    Yakuzza Lethecus: especially hard when he is running :)
    Alfred Kelberry: thaha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Alfred Kelberry: what aim! :)
    Riddle Sideways: ouch
    Xirana Oximoxi: I was not ready for 'onigokko:)
    Alfred Kelberry: i have a topic, but it's late already
    Riddle Sideways: neither was my av
    Alfred Kelberry: next meeting
    Xirana Oximoxi: tell us..that way we can think about:)
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: we did not do Xir's topic well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: feel free, xirana also brought one in, the subjective perception of time in virtual vs the real world
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, it's a good one, xir
    Xirana Oximoxi: well..you've expressed it more clear, Yaku, ty:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how time accelerates in sl
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, you´ll do fine xirana
    Riddle Sideways: and why you think time units are all equal?
    Alfred Kelberry: on average, the more engaging the activity the faster time goes :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: well... I just think that here it's more subjective time than in rl
    Riddle Sideways: 90 sec is the longest of time and they are the shortest of times :]
    Xirana Oximoxi: and this king of 'time' usually does not follow the rules of clocks or calendars ...
    Xirana Oximoxi: *kind
    Riddle Sideways likes "king"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: haha
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes! that's one good exemple

         The server notification that the region will be going down in 5 minutes cometh.

         Thanks to the Wiki was able to go back and count.
          This is the 6th Tuesday near the 7am hour that Bieup has been shut down !!!!!!

    Riddle Sideways: ah, there is the notice
    Xirana Oximoxi: heheheee
    Riddle Sideways: 8:02
    Riddle Sideways: gotta love them Lindens :)))
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus wonders, do they have all their servers in california ?
    Riddle Sideways: next time topic will be how alf did get the analysis numbers from the wiki database
    Alfred Kelberry: web-scraping :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: which analysis numbers?
    Riddle Sideways: no, saw an energy article the other day they have servers in virginia too
                 Sorry, Dallas Texas (thank you Internet)
    Riddle Sideways: you little web-scraper you
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Riddle Sideways: ok, folks thanks so much
    Riddle Sideways: need to go
    Xirana Oximoxi: we will have to go soon... take care all and see you soon!
    Alfred Kelberry: riddly riddle
    Alfred Kelberry: ah!!!
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Alfred Kelberry: 1 min left
    Riddle Sideways: bye
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, see you later :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: what can one say in 1 minute?
    Xirana Oximoxi: 30 seconds
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: nice time to all!!!
    Alfred Kelberry: we still have time
    Alfred Kelberry: let's enjoy
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good bye world
    Alfred Kelberry: *relaxes*

       Bye   :)

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